I am still working on the puzzle. A John Ingram is registered for US Army having been born in Hawkins Walker county Georgia was this a Creek area . It is south of Layfette and Chickamauga. I think my Hunt line may have been Lumbee. Can any one tell me where I can find names of the Lumbee and is it still a tribe? Thank You all so much Carol Reed Sircoulomb

Hi Carol: Walker County was largely populated, from about 1800 forward to the Homestead Act, when many mixed blood families went west, by the Chickamauga Cherokee. Their towns in east TN had been destroyed by 1800 and many were wandering and destitute. Some of those families are on the 1817 Reservation and Immigration Rolls of the Cherokee Nation. Few were enrolled in the West (Indian Territory) in the 1840's and later, because the majority in IT were Cherokee of Georgia who had followed John Ross and held out for retaining their Georgia reservations acquired before 1820 (variously referred to as the Ross faction). The Ross faction held a blood feud against the Chickamauga Cherokee for signing away their lands and forcing them on the Trail of Tears. Consequently, when some of the Chickamauga tried to enroll in the West, most were turned down. In fact, many of the Chickamauga in the West were hunted down by the Ross faction and murders exchanged back and forth until they lost the Indian Territory altogether. Now, this is a VERY simplistic view of the times and struggles of the Chickamauga but there is a good book about them by Brent Yanusdi Cox called HEART OF THE EAGLE: Dragging Canoe and the Emergence of the Chickamauga Confederacy; 1999, Chenanee Publishers; Milan, TN. He talks about their history and lineages. I mention this because the Chickamauga became mixed with other tribes, primarily the Chickasaw and the Creek. They made up the people known today as the Old Settlers (in the West). They are listed on the 1817 Immigration Roll because they agreed to move to the lands allotted them in Arkansas at about that time. Although enumerated on the Old Settlers Rolls of the 1850's and 1890's, they were, subsequently forgotten by Uncle Sam and seem to have melted into the population of Arkansas and environs. Families among them that were known to have married Creeks were the Chisholms and the Carters. Both families had descendants who, later, were enrolled by the Dawes Commission. It was the group that stayed home in Georgia and Tennessee that signed away the Cherokee lands that became the focus of the blood feud which created such outlaws and Thomas and Belle Starr. The Starrs were considered Chickamauga and some were murdered by the Ross faction.....but it was not a one-sided battle as there were depredations on both sides. I have no doubt whatsoever that there were Lumbee and other Siouan-related tribal families mixed with the Cherokee and the Creek. I offer the Chickamauga information to help you know which lists and rolls to investigate and to help you understand there were differences between the two Cherokee groups. The story of Sequoya's people, TELL THEM THEY LIE, gives a good description of the differences between the Ross faction and the Chickamauga. When you think of the Chickamauga and the Ross faction Cherokee in light of what Richard Thornton has written about the Rickohocken, you can imagine there was, early, a huge split between these two people; perhaps not so much over the issue of slavery, but, perhaps, over the issue of slave hunting, gathering and selling. This is a total guess on my part, but the point is brought out in the books I've mentioned of how the Chickamauga disagreed with and looked down on the Ross faction for their adoption of white ways and their pandering to Congress. I suppose the Chickamauga creed was more toward killing whites than getting along with them. You can get a view of the Lumbee in the Robeson Co., NC, US Federal censuses from 1850 forward. Start with 1930, as many were marked Indian, for race, in the later years. That will give you a thread to their names. Kathie ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Sircoulomb To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Query Hawkins Georgia 1814 and tell me about theLumbee I am still working on the puzzle. A John Ingram is registered for US Army having been born in Hawkins Walker county Georgia was this a Creek area . It is south of Layfette and Chickamauga. I think my Hunt line may have been Lumbee. Can any one tell me where I can find names of the Lumbee and is it still a tribe? Thank You all so much Carol Reed Sircoulomb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Surname Hunt is considered a Core Lumbee surname,and one of the Surnames associated with their ancestors who migrated from the Roanoke River region to present day Robeson co. N.C. --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Kathie M. Donahue <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Kathie M. Donahue <[email protected]> > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Chickamauga Cherokee and Lumbee Indians > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 12:32 PM > Hi Carol: > > Walker County was largely populated, from about 1800 > forward to the Homestead Act, when many mixed blood > families went west, by the Chickamauga Cherokee. Their > towns in east TN had been destroyed by 1800 and many were > wandering and destitute. Some of those families are on the > 1817 Reservation and Immigration Rolls of the Cherokee > Nation. Few were enrolled in the West (Indian Territory) > in the 1840's and later, because the majority in IT > were Cherokee of Georgia who had followed John Ross and > held out for retaining their Georgia reservations acquired > before 1820 (variously referred to as the Ross faction). > > The Ross faction held a blood feud against the Chickamauga > Cherokee for signing away their lands and forcing them on > the Trail of Tears. Consequently, when some of the > Chickamauga tried to enroll in the West, most were turned > down. In fact, many of the Chickamauga in the West were > hunted down by the Ross faction and murders exchanged back > and forth until they lost the Indian Territory altogether. > > Now, this is a VERY simplistic view of the times and > struggles of the Chickamauga but there is a good book about > them by Brent Yanusdi Cox called HEART OF THE EAGLE: > Dragging Canoe and the Emergence of the Chickamauga > Confederacy; 1999, Chenanee Publishers; Milan, TN. He > talks about their history and lineages. > > I mention this because the Chickamauga became mixed with > other tribes, primarily the Chickasaw and the Creek. They > made up the people known today as the Old Settlers (in the > West). They are listed on the 1817 Immigration Roll > because they agreed to move to the lands allotted them in > Arkansas at about that time. Although enumerated on the > Old Settlers Rolls of the 1850's and 1890's, they > were, subsequently forgotten by Uncle Sam and seem to have > melted into the population of Arkansas and environs. > > Families among them that were known to have married Creeks > were the Chisholms and the Carters. Both families had > descendants who, later, were enrolled by the Dawes > Commission. It was the group that stayed home in Georgia > and Tennessee that signed away the Cherokee lands that > became the focus of the blood feud which created such > outlaws and Thomas and Belle Starr. The Starrs were > considered Chickamauga and some were murdered by the Ross > faction.....but it was not a one-sided battle as there were > depredations on both sides. > > I have no doubt whatsoever that there were Lumbee and other > Siouan-related tribal families mixed with the Cherokee and > the Creek. I offer the Chickamauga information to help you > know which lists and rolls to investigate and to help you > understand there were differences between the two Cherokee > groups. > > The story of Sequoya's people, TELL THEM THEY LIE, > gives a good description of the differences between the > Ross faction and the Chickamauga. When you think of the > Chickamauga and the Ross faction Cherokee in light of what > Richard Thornton has written about the Rickohocken, you can > imagine there was, early, a huge split between these two > people; perhaps not so much over the issue of slavery, but, > perhaps, over the issue of slave hunting, gathering and > selling. > > This is a total guess on my part, but the point is brought > out in the books I've mentioned of how the Chickamauga > disagreed with and looked down on the Ross faction for > their adoption of white ways and their pandering to > Congress. I suppose the Chickamauga creed was more toward > killing whites than getting along with them. > > You can get a view of the Lumbee in the Robeson Co., NC, US > Federal censuses from 1850 forward. Start with 1930, as > many were marked Indian, for race, in the later years. > That will give you a thread to their names. > > Kathie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carol Sircoulomb > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:23 AM > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Query Hawkins Georgia 1814 and > tell me about theLumbee > > > I am still working on the puzzle. A John Ingram is > registered for US Army having been born in Hawkins Walker > county Georgia was this a Creek area . It is south of > Layfette and Chickamauga. > I think my Hunt line may have been Lumbee. Can any one > tell me where I can find names of the Lumbee and is it > still a tribe? > > Thank You all so much > Carol Reed Sircoulomb > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message