Hi folks, Since geneology gets better day by day, I thought I'd ask again if any one has come across my relatives, especially seeing the reference to Davy Cornells, Iffa Tustenegee (Dog Warrior). My ggrandmother was an Ina Cornell, born in Alabama. I have no county, although I am guessing somewhere around Baldwin, etc. since my ggrandfather Edward Owen was born in Georgia. Guessing somewhere around 1860s since grandfather and great aunt were born in the 1880s. Appreciate any links. Mvto. Valerie Shines Warmly vpacini@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <gmwnmd@webtv.net> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Autry > Wow, Evelyn! > > In looking at Lynn Hastie's book, she refers more than once to Henry > Hathaway as Hatterway. Now, Hatterway could easily be misconstrued to > be Autry, especially if one squints one's eye or one's ear ! Especially > if one pronounces it as Hah' -tur-wee ! > > Also, Hastie shows Susan(nah) Stiggins Hathaway as being rescued at Fort > Mims with the Negro girl Lizzie and Elizabeth Randon Tate (daughter of > David Tate and Tura Dyer) by, as you say, Iffa Tustenegee, BUT she > further identifies him as Davy Cornells, aka Dog Warrior, who was young > at that time ! > > What do you think? > > gmw > > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This might be a help. Descendants of the Sizemores of Clay County, KY, who came from White Top Laurel Mountain in North Carolina (according to Dr. Yates), applied in large numbers for the Eastern Cherokee payment in 1906 (Guion Miller Roll). They lived in close relationship with the Cornells/Cornetts/Cornutts of the same county. I haven't studied the Cornells but the name is often spelled with the "T's" on the end, instead of the "L's", according to some researchers. (Another family often associated with the Sizemores is the Blevins/Bevins family.) There are many of the Cornells and Cornetts in the Dawes and Guion Miller Rolls. The gaps between the families of the Baldwin County area and their origins further East might have occurred because of several reasons: Please note that I use the words "illegitimacy" and "legitimacy" as terms for conditions where children were born without or before the Christian marriage contract of the couple; or where the couple was married by Indian custom, only. No degradation of the birth condition of these children is implied by me (whose own father was born in such conditions between a white girl and an Indian man who were not allowed to marry). 1. Sometimes, the white and mixed blood men of the Indian trade kept two families; one in the so-called "white" community (often in Virginia or South Carolina) and one in the wilderness (his Indian wife and mixed blood children). This was a fairly common practice in every fur trade endeavor from the farthest reaches of the north to the deep south in the early years of American history. The practice provided the trader ties with the Indian community, resulting in protection in the wilderness as well as a companion and helpmate of the most savvy sort (able to provide companionship, interpretation of languages, shelter and food). 2. Sometimes the mixed blood children resulting from alliances between white or mixed blood men and mixed blood or Indian women were given the name of the woman, according to matrilineal systems in some of the tribes of the southeast; or adopted her name, the father being absent. This might be the situation where Y-DNA tests do not reveal associations with expected male lineage surname groups. 3. Very few of the offspring of the white and Indian alliances were legitimized (or records of such were never kept, or never survived to present day) in the Southeast. I know of one instance (Google "Wayne Hendon - Joshua Suggs" to see an example of a white man legitimizing his illegitimate and, probably, mixed blood children) in the southeast, but there are many instances of legitimizations recorded in the Jesuit records of the Mississippi drainage and the Pacific Northwest. These mixed blood children simply grew up among their people who were also mixed blood and in a similar state of legitimacy, living in a semi-tribal society, often isolated from so-called civilization. For a very good book on this subject among the northern tribes, read Many Tender Ties. Southern and southwest Alabama have, I believe, some similarities to the family groups described in Many Tender Ties. Records of legitimization would provide a much-needed link for researchers today, wouldn't they? On the chance that such were made, always be sure to research the court records of the area(s) where your families lived. Certainly there are other situations and reasons for our difficulties in connecting southern and southwest Alabama families with their families further back in time. However, I wasn't surprised to see Sizemores AND Cornells in the Alabama families, after knowing of their relationships in Clay County, KY. Do they call themselves "cousins" in Alabama? Knowing the Cornell relationships in KY and what their early histories are like, might help establish a connection to the Alabama families? Lost of questions, as usual.......few easy answers. Good luck and good hunting, Kathie ----- Original Message ----- From: Valerie Shines Warmly Pacini To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Cornells Hi folks, Since geneology gets better day by day, I thought I'd ask again if any one has come across my relatives, especially seeing the reference to Davy Cornells, Iffa Tustenegee (Dog Warrior). My ggrandmother was an Ina Cornell, born in Alabama. I have no county, although I am guessing somewhere around Baldwin, etc. since my ggrandfather Edward Owen was born in Georgia. Guessing somewhere around 1860s since grandfather and great aunt were born in the 1880s. Appreciate any links. Mvto. Valerie Shines Warmly vpacini@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <gmwnmd@webtv.net> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Autry > Wow, Evelyn! > > In looking at Lynn Hastie's book, she refers more than once to Henry > Hathaway as Hatterway. Now, Hatterway could easily be misconstrued to > be Autry, especially if one squints one's eye or one's ear ! Especially > if one pronounces it as Hah' -tur-wee ! > > Also, Hastie shows Susan(nah) Stiggins Hathaway as being rescued at Fort > Mims with the Negro girl Lizzie and Elizabeth Randon Tate (daughter of > David Tate and Tura Dyer) by, as you say, Iffa Tustenegee, BUT she > further identifies him as Davy Cornells, aka Dog Warrior, who was young > at that time ! > > What do you think? > > gmw > > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Notes on the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm Early Creek History http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ Migration Legend of the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message