Winnette & others... Some random facts about the Autry name and various early Autrys in the SE... [NOTE: What follows is just "general background" directly answers NONE of the questions previously raised.] First the name... Autre' means "other" in French and there are several towns in France named Autre'. If I understand the way French works, d'Autre' would be a reference to a person from a place named Autre'. I suspect that by "other" the connotation is "foreigner", but I'm by no means certain of that. In any case, it would seem that at their heart Autry and Daughtery could be said to be pretty much the same name, and obviously it would be very easy for a Daughtery to "Anglicize" the name by dropping the "D". That said, however... on the other hand the name Autry was represented in the British Isles well enough that one of the earliest British navigators of North American waters was a Captain John Autry... As to the spelling of the name both Autry and Autrey are still used... and historically I have also seen it as" Ottery, Aughtry, Oughtry, Autree, and others... many others. In fact, "the sky is the limit". However, within my known ancestral line and its known collateral branches I have never heard of an Autry becoming a Daughtery... The Daughtrys can speak for themselves! <G> My 4-great grandfather Captain John Autry materialized out of North Carolina into Georgia where in 1773 he officially settled in the Ceded Lands brought into Crown ownership in a deal by which the Cherokees and Creeks paid off accumulated trade debts to George Galphin. However, he or his brother Alexander or both were apparently already living in the Ceded Lands before any of those lands were sold as evidenced by the fact that they both bought as soon as the lands went on sale, yet in another purchaser's deed the "old Autry cabbin" is referenced as a landmark in the metes and bounds description. The fact that they were from North Carolina and a rough tally of their households including ages and sex of children and number of slaves owned is referenced in the land transaction record which is online in the records of the Ceded Lands, Wilkes County, Georgia. I note that at least living in his household at that time (1773), Alexander had only daughters... no sons... and it appears likely from his children's ages that Alexander was younger than John. Early in the Revolution John became a lieutenant in the Patriot militia company of Robert Carr. This company garrisoned a fort known as Carr's Fort, on the Georgia frontier... which at that time was Wilkes County. After awhile Captain Carr was killed by Indians and John Autry was promoted to captain and assumed command of Carr's Fort. In the early muster rolls of Carr's company there were simultaneously privates named Alexander Autry and Alix Autry. I believe that Alexander was John's brother Alexander who later also became a Patriot militia captain, and that Alix was probably John's oldest son. When the British decided on a Southern strategy and landed in Georgia in force, the Wilkes County Patriots evacuated their families to the "Overmountain" (then western North Carolina, later known as Tennessee) and became a refugee militia. In later land records the state of Georgia, the militia captains who continued to lead their men through this period when they joined with the South Carolina militia were known as "refugee captains". Captain John Autry received a large land grant in Greene County for his Revolutionary War services as a refugee captain but on 2 February 1788 he was killed by Creeks on the banks of Richland Creek near Scull Shoals on the Oconee River and was buried where he fell. His son, John Jr. (my 3-great grandfather) appears as a 16 year old head of household in the 1790 census for Sampson County, North Carolina... which is also described as his place of birth about 1770 or 1771 (although Sampson County had not yet been cut out of Duplin County at that time). Alexander Autry is one of the small number of known participants in the Battle of Kettle Creek (aka the Battle of the Canebreaks) in Wilkes County, Georgia, in which the Georgia Militia with the South Carolina Militia returned to Wilkes County and surprised and pretty much destroyed a much larger contingent of Tories and Indians. One history of that battle says that he bought a large part of the battlefield and farmed it after the war; however, as best I can tell, the Battle of Kettle Creek was actually fought on the land Alexander Autry bought in 1773. Because he died so soon after the War John never applied for a pension himself nor did Alexander. However, both are mentioned in pension applications of men who served under their commands. So far only partial Georgia Revolutionary War pension applications are online on the web and searching them by the surname Autry is a real challenge. As best I recall, I've found Autry spelled 5 different ways there so far. Interestingly, for much of the later part of the war Patriot South Carolina had only a sort of rump government in exile and Patriot Georgia had none at all, which meant that among other things there was no civil authority to grant military commissions... thus there are many references by veterans in their pension applications of Georgia militia officers who served as officers without commissions. I found no reference to the Autrys as such, though. Many of the veterans served under several officers at various times and unfortunately their pension applications were loosely written so even if they do mention their commanding officer's name and events that they (the soldiers/veterans) took part in, it's not a guaranteed thing that the captain they named was also involved in the events mentioned. That said, Captain John was mentioned a good bit more often than Captain Alexander. John was definitely mentioned as leading raids on Cherokee towns, and there is one reference that suggests that he may have participated in the Battle of King's Mountain. As of the last time I looked at the partial records, I found no other specific references, not even unclear ones. So, in general... there were some Autrys in Colonial, Revolutionary and Early Statehood Georgia, in frontier localities where a child could have been "snatched"; however there is no family legend or tradition of such an event so far as I am aware. Also, though I don't think so and don't count the Autrys among my family lines with Creek or other Indian ancestry, there is some sentiment within the line that there is Indian ancestry... and of course even of there is no Indian ancestry in my direct Autry lineage there could be in one or more collateral lines. You can see a photo of my 2-great grandfather John English Autry, who served as a private in the Confederate 64th Georgia Infantry Regiment, here: http://pone.com/ts/rw002.htm Interestingly Kettle Creek was fought on 14 February 1779. John English Autry was wounded in the leg at Olustee, Florida, on 14 February 1864... 85 years later to the day. Richard White Tallahassee, Florida gmwnmd@webtv.net wrote: > Wow, Evelyn! > > In looking at Lynn Hastie's book, she refers more than once to Henry > Hathaway as Hatterway. Now, Hatterway could easily be misconstrued to > be Autry, especially if one squints one's eye or one's ear ! Especially > if one pronounces it as Hah' -tur-wee ! > > Also, Hastie shows Susan(nah) Stiggins Hathaway as being rescued at Fort > Mims with the Negro girl Lizzie and Elizabeth Randon Tate (daughter of > David Tate and Tura Dyer) by, as you say, Iffa Tustenegee, BUT she > further identifies him as Davy Cornells, aka Dog Warrior, who was young > at that time ! > > What do you think? > > gmw > -- “A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.” - Robert Heinlein

Interesting Autry information, Richard......thanks! Evelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard White" <rw@pone.com> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Autry Winnette & others... Some random facts about the Autry name and various early Autrys in the SE... [NOTE: What follows is just "general background" directly answers NONE of the questions previously raised.] First the name... Autre' means "other" in French and there are several towns in France named Autre'. If I understand the way French works, d'Autre' would be a reference to a person from a place named Autre'. I suspect that by "other" the connotation is "foreigner", but I'm by no means certain of that. In any case, it would seem that at their heart Autry and Daughtery could be said to be pretty much the same name, and obviously it would be very easy for a Daughtery to "Anglicize" the name by dropping the "D". That said, however... on the other hand the name Autry was represented in the British Isles well enough that one of the earliest British navigators of North American waters was a Captain John Autry... As to the spelling of the name both Autry and Autrey are still used... and historically I have also seen it as" Ottery, Aughtry, Oughtry, Autree, and others... many others. In fact, "the sky is the limit". However, within my known ancestral line and its known collateral branches I have never heard of an Autry becoming a Daughtery... The Daughtrys can speak for themselves! <G> My 4-great grandfather Captain John Autry materialized out of North Carolina into Georgia where in 1773 he officially settled in the Ceded Lands brought into Crown ownership in a deal by which the Cherokees and Creeks paid off accumulated trade debts to George Galphin. However, he or his brother Alexander or both were apparently already living in the Ceded Lands before any of those lands were sold as evidenced by the fact that they both bought as soon as the lands went on sale, yet in another purchaser's deed the "old Autry cabbin" is referenced as a landmark in the metes and bounds description. The fact that they were from North Carolina and a rough tally of their households including ages and sex of children and number of slaves owned is referenced in the land transaction record which is online in the records of the Ceded Lands, Wilkes County, Georgia. I note that at least living in his household at that time (1773), Alexander had only daughters... no sons... and it appears likely from his children's ages that Alexander was younger than John. Early in the Revolution John became a lieutenant in the Patriot militia company of Robert Carr. This company garrisoned a fort known as Carr's Fort, on the Georgia frontier... which at that time was Wilkes County. After awhile Captain Carr was killed by Indians and John Autry was promoted to captain and assumed command of Carr's Fort. In the early muster rolls of Carr's company there were simultaneously privates named Alexander Autry and Alix Autry. I believe that Alexander was John's brother Alexander who later also became a Patriot militia captain, and that Alix was probably John's oldest son. When the British decided on a Southern strategy and landed in Georgia in force, the Wilkes County Patriots evacuated their families to the "Overmountain" (then western North Carolina, later known as Tennessee) and became a refugee militia. In later land records the state of Georgia, the militia captains who continued to lead their men through this period when they joined with the South Carolina militia were known as "refugee captains". Captain John Autry received a large land grant in Greene County for his Revolutionary War services as a refugee captain but on 2 February 1788 he was killed by Creeks on the banks of Richland Creek near Scull Shoals on the Oconee River and was buried where he fell. His son, John Jr. (my 3-great grandfather) appears as a 16 year old head of household in the 1790 census for Sampson County, North Carolina... which is also described as his place of birth about 1770 or 1771 (although Sampson County had not yet been cut out of Duplin County at that time). Alexander Autry is one of the small number of known participants in the Battle of Kettle Creek (aka the Battle of the Canebreaks) in Wilkes County, Georgia, in which the Georgia Militia with the South Carolina Militia returned to Wilkes County and surprised and pretty much destroyed a much larger contingent of Tories and Indians. One history of that battle says that he bought a large part of the battlefield and farmed it after the war; however, as best I can tell, the Battle of Kettle Creek was actually fought on the land Alexander Autry bought in 1773. Because he died so soon after the War John never applied for a pension himself nor did Alexander. However, both are mentioned in pension applications of men who served under their commands. So far only partial Georgia Revolutionary War pension applications are online on the web and searching them by the surname Autry is a real challenge. As best I recall, I've found Autry spelled 5 different ways there so far. Interestingly, for much of the later part of the war Patriot South Carolina had only a sort of rump government in exile and Patriot Georgia had none at all, which meant that among other things there was no civil authority to grant military commissions... thus there are many references by veterans in their pension applications of Georgia militia officers who served as officers without commissions. I found no reference to the Autrys as such, though. Many of the veterans served under several officers at various times and unfortunately their pension applications were loosely written so even if they do mention their commanding officer's name and events that they (the soldiers/veterans) took part in, it's not a guaranteed thing that the captain they named was also involved in the events mentioned. That said, Captain John was mentioned a good bit more often than Captain Alexander. John was definitely mentioned as leading raids on Cherokee towns, and there is one reference that suggests that he may have participated in the Battle of King's Mountain. As of the last time I looked at the partial records, I found no other specific references, not even unclear ones. So, in general... there were some Autrys in Colonial, Revolutionary and Early Statehood Georgia, in frontier localities where a child could have been "snatched"; however there is no family legend or tradition of such an event so far as I am aware. Also, though I don't think so and don't count the Autrys among my family lines with Creek or other Indian ancestry, there is some sentiment within the line that there is Indian ancestry... and of course even of there is no Indian ancestry in my direct Autry lineage there could be in one or more collateral lines. You can see a photo of my 2-great grandfather John English Autry, who served as a private in the Confederate 64th Georgia Infantry Regiment, here: http://pone.com/ts/rw002.htm Interestingly Kettle Creek was fought on 14 February 1779. John English Autry was wounded in the leg at Olustee, Florida, on 14 February 1864... 85 years later to the day. Richard White Tallahassee, Florida gmwnmd@webtv.net wrote: > Wow, Evelyn! > > In looking at Lynn Hastie's book, she refers more than once to Henry > Hathaway as Hatterway. Now, Hatterway could easily be misconstrued to > be Autry, especially if one squints one's eye or one's ear ! Especially > if one pronounces it as Hah' -tur-wee ! > > Also, Hastie shows Susan(nah) Stiggins Hathaway as being rescued at Fort > Mims with the Negro girl Lizzie and Elizabeth Randon Tate (daughter of > David Tate and Tura Dyer) by, as you say, Iffa Tustenegee, BUT she > further identifies him as Davy Cornells, aka Dog Warrior, who was young > at that time ! > > What do you think? > > gmw > -- “A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.” - Robert Heinlein Notes on the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm Early Creek History http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ Migration Legend of the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message