Richard, From what I read somewhere recently, the first humans here were paleo-indians that bear no relationship to the more recent "native Americans". From the few relics found, it is thought that the ice age may have caught them. Another source said there were two different "native Americans", with the second group coming from Europe long before any known journeys. They did not survive. You touched something similar a few years back but I am not sure the conclusion. It was about the interaction of "Central American natives" and "North American natives". The physical characteristics are very different, yet they must have overlapped somewhere near the Rio Grande Valley So many questions and so few answers. At 12:51 PM 10/12/2009, you wrote: >What is your take on there being a central "mother tribe or nation" that >most or all other tribes in North America came out of.....pre and post Ice >Age? >----- Original Message ----- >From: <TalliyaSoutheast@aol.com> >To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 8:26 AM >Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Locations of Creek and Cherokee territory >inGeorgia > > > > >From reading postings in the past, it has become obvious to me that most > > people do not have a clue where the Creeks and Cherokees actually lived in > > Georgia, and when they lived there. This assessment also applies to most > > state and federal bureaucrats, who disseminate information on the region's > > Native American heritage . . . the only exception being some professional > > archaeologists. They must be VERY frustrated people! > > > > The general public seems to think that any Native American artifact found > > north of Atlanta was made by a Cherokee, and that the Creeks were a > > single ethnic group that occupied the southern 2/3 of the state. Thus, if > > one > > has Native American roots north of Atlanta, it is typical that people > > assume that they were "a Cherokee princess." Guess, there were no male > > Cherokees - chuckle. A lot of people south of Atlanta also assume that > > their N > > A ancestor was Cherokee, because there are so many inaccurate maps > > floating > > around the world of tourist promotion. Others assume that the Creeks > > were just one ethnic group, speaking one language. > > > > Cherokees never "legally" occupied any of Georgia east of the > > Chattahoochee > > River - even in the mountains, and by the time they got to Georgia, > > they were using muskets exclusively. Even by the 1750s, they were > > pretty > > much reliant on firearms. A delegation of Cherokee chiefs and head > > warriors > > went to London to meet the king. An English archery club challenged them > > to > > a contest of archery skills. The Cherokees were so out of practice at > > shooting bows, that they were totally stomped. > > > > Among other articles, the upcoming issue of the "People of One Fire" > > newsletter will contain Colonial Period maps that show how rapidly the > > ethnic > > patterns of the Lower Southeast changed during the 1600s and 1700s. They > > will surprise you. You will never trust another tourist brochure! > > <chuckle> > > > > Richard T, > > > > > > Notes on the Creek Indians > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > > > Early Creek History > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >Notes on the Creek Indians >http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > >Early Creek History http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > >Migration Legend of the Creek Indians >http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have heard that there were NA's here in the general area of what is the USA presently and possibly further North. With the coming Ice Age from Northward, they continued migrating South through what is now Mexico until living was possible. Then at the time of the big melt, from South to North, migration took place once again back to areas they came from. Comments? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Sokol" <ssokol@ix.netcom.com> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Locations of Creek and Cherokee territory inGeorgia > Richard, > > From what I read somewhere recently, the first humans here were > paleo-indians that bear no relationship to the more recent "native > Americans". From the few relics found, it is thought that the ice > age may have caught them. Another source said there were two > different "native Americans", with the second group coming from > Europe long before any known journeys. They did not survive. > > You touched something similar a few years back but I am not sure the > conclusion. It was about the interaction of "Central American > natives" and "North American natives". The physical characteristics > are very different, yet they must have overlapped somewhere near the > Rio Grande Valley > > So many questions and so few answers. > > > At 12:51 PM 10/12/2009, you wrote: >>What is your take on there being a central "mother tribe or nation" that >>most or all other tribes in North America came out of.....pre and post Ice >>Age? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: <TalliyaSoutheast@aol.com> >>To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 8:26 AM >>Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Locations of Creek and Cherokee territory >>inGeorgia >> >> >> > >From reading postings in the past, it has become obvious to me that >> > >most >> > people do not have a clue where the Creeks and Cherokees actually lived >> > in >> > Georgia, and when they lived there. This assessment also applies to >> > most >> > state and federal bureaucrats, who disseminate information on the >> > region's >> > Native American heritage . . . the only exception being some >> > professional >> > archaeologists. They must be VERY frustrated people! >> > >> > The general public seems to think that any Native American artifact >> > found >> > north of Atlanta was made by a Cherokee, and that the Creeks were a >> > single ethnic group that occupied the southern 2/3 of the state. Thus, >> > if >> > one >> > has Native American roots north of Atlanta, it is typical that people >> > assume that they were "a Cherokee princess." Guess, there were no >> > male >> > Cherokees - chuckle. A lot of people south of Atlanta also assume >> > that >> > their N >> > A ancestor was Cherokee, because there are so many inaccurate maps >> > floating >> > around the world of tourist promotion. Others assume that the Creeks >> > were just one ethnic group, speaking one language. >> > >> > Cherokees never "legally" occupied any of Georgia east of the >> > Chattahoochee >> > River - even in the mountains, and by the time they got to Georgia, >> > they were using muskets exclusively. Even by the 1750s, they were >> > pretty >> > much reliant on firearms. A delegation of Cherokee chiefs and head >> > warriors >> > went to London to meet the king. An English archery club challenged >> > them >> > to >> > a contest of archery skills. The Cherokees were so out of practice at >> > shooting bows, that they were totally stomped. >> > >> > Among other articles, the upcoming issue of the "People of One Fire" >> > newsletter will contain Colonial Period maps that show how rapidly the >> > ethnic >> > patterns of the Lower Southeast changed during the 1600s and 1700s. >> > They >> > will surprise you. You will never trust another tourist brochure! >> > <chuckle> >> > >> > Richard T, >> > >> > >> > Notes on the Creek Indians >> > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm >> > >> > Early Creek History >> > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ >> > >> > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians >> > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>Notes on the Creek Indians >>http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm >> >>Early Creek History >>http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ >> >>Migration Legend of the Creek Indians >>http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message