Hi, I am searching my Grandfathers side...I don't have much to go by...My Grandfathers name was Richard Black...his fathers name was Walter Black who married Idaho Thomas...now my uncle tells me we are Creek...but back in the day when they put them on reservations, my family fled to the mountains...and are not accounted for...I am thinking maybe someone is from back in our family tree...My Grandfather taugh me Native American ways, but would not talk about our Culture in front of anyone else...he said he was Black Irish or Black Dutch...I know he was born in Tennessee and his parents were born in North Carolina...the last name Black might be a cut off of another name...does anyone have any info at all that might help me??? Thanks, Melody --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'

Melody; I don't have any help for you but the mention of "black dutch" brought a smile. My mothers side are cherokee (tslagi) and my grandmother insisted that she was "black dutch" to her dying day even though her grandfather came to IT during the "Trail of Tears". Are you sure they were Creek? My ancestors that were Chereokee were Chicamauga and came from NC through TN and then to IT in about 1834. Some went back to Arkansas for awhile before being pushed back to IT in the late 1830 and early 1840's. Most of the Creeks came from Georgia and Alabama. My dad was Creek (don't really know which group) but they were removed from the Jasper County, Georgia in 1824 (I always get a chuckle when I read about the first "white" child being born in the area about 1815). I was just looking at a photo of his grandfather (my g grandfather) taken about 1875. I am proud of his (our) heritage. They picked up the name Cranford somewhere along the way. My best guess is that they used the name of a trader. My 90 year female old cousin said that all of the women got together and allowed a white man to marry into the clan and that he was a trader. Anyway that is the way the story goes. Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melody (Little Wolf)" <little_wolf_melody@yahoo.com> To: <CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Re: CREEK-SOUTHEAST-Black surname > > Hi, > > I am searching my Grandfathers side...I don't have much to go by...My > Grandfathers name was Richard Black...his fathers name was Walter Black > who married Idaho Thomas...now my uncle tells me we are Creek...but back > in the day when they put them on reservations, my family fled to the > mountains...and are not accounted for...I am thinking maybe someone is > from back in our family tree...My Grandfather taugh me Native American > ways, but would not talk about our Culture in front of anyone else...he > said he was Black Irish or Black Dutch...I know he was born in Tennessee > and his parents were born in North Carolina...the last name Black might be > a cut off of another name...does anyone have any info at all that might > help me??? Thanks, Melody > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > > ==== CREEK-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Read a Creek book on line: Notes on the Creek, > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

I too had ancestors who said they were Black Dutch and refused to discuss their heritage outside the family. They were so afraid of being persecuted that if you go back through the census they are mostly listed as white or mulengan but rarely if every Indian. I too have grown proud of that heritage in my family over the years and hope someday to have an opportunity to learn more of the ways of the Native Americans so that I can pass that down to my grandchildren as something to be proud of and not ashamed of. Mark Jeffcoat Goose Creek, SC -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Cranford [mailto:jerry_cranford@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:27 PM To: CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Re: CREEK-SOUTHEAST-Black surname Melody; I don't have any help for you but the mention of "black dutch" brought a smile. My mothers side are cherokee (tslagi) and my grandmother insisted that she was "black dutch" to her dying day even though her grandfather came to IT during the "Trail of Tears". Are you sure they were Creek? My ancestors that were Chereokee were Chicamauga and came from NC through TN and then to IT in about 1834. Some went back to Arkansas for awhile before being pushed back to IT in the late 1830 and early 1840's. Most of the Creeks came from Georgia and Alabama. My dad was Creek (don't really know which group) but they were removed from the Jasper County, Georgia in 1824 (I always get a chuckle when I read about the first "white" child being born in the area about 1815). I was just looking at a photo of his grandfather (my g grandfather) taken about 1875. I am proud of his (our) heritage. They picked up the name Cranford somewhere along the way. My best guess is that they used the name of a trader. My 90 year female old cousin said that all of the women got together and allowed a white man to marry into the clan and that he was a trader. Anyway that is the way the story goes. Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melody (Little Wolf)" <little_wolf_melody@yahoo.com> To: <CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Re: CREEK-SOUTHEAST-Black surname > > Hi, > > I am searching my Grandfathers side...I don't have much to go by...My > Grandfathers name was Richard Black...his fathers name was Walter Black > who married Idaho Thomas...now my uncle tells me we are Creek...but back > in the day when they put them on reservations, my family fled to the > mountains...and are not accounted for...I am thinking maybe someone is > from back in our family tree...My Grandfather taugh me Native American > ways, but would not talk about our Culture in front of anyone else...he > said he was Black Irish or Black Dutch...I know he was born in Tennessee > and his parents were born in North Carolina...the last name Black might be > a cut off of another name...does anyone have any info at all that might > help me??? Thanks, Melody > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > > ==== CREEK-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Read a Creek book on line: Notes on the Creek, > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > ______________________________