Jerry, I'm not disputing the fact about the knot, but want some clearification. I had heard this many years back about the bump at the back of the head. However, I have seen some 'experts' dispute it. What is the current feelings about this and is it science based? I do have the bump, and have felt many other people's heads. My spouse did not have it, my kids do. My siblings do. Also, one of my nephews was born with the mongolian spot. I am positive we are Native and like many it's a mix and they were not on the rolls. It is most frustrating to remain "a wannabee" in many eyes because I lack proof (paper). My family came from the right areas as well. I will write down my surnames that I research and locations/dates with a remark about possible tribes: the first 3 have N/A lines and probably were Melungeon MYERS, native comes from a "wife", surname or indian name unknown, first name she went by was "Indianna". Her real name might be Frances BELL. they lived in Wash. Co. TN, Hawkins co. TN in the 1830's then to Rhea/Meigs co. TN MOORE/SMITH out of NC, not sure county yet. Seen in 1860 Wilkes Co. NC and migrated frequently. Not in Wilkes in 1850. Went into TN (probably Meigs region) then to Pulaski Co. KY, back to TN , finally IT by 1885 with the MYERS MULLINS out of NC, not sure where, came to Grainger, Jefferson co. TN then to WEST MO next ARk and then TX by 1880 GARRETTs out of VA, SC md. into JONES, HARRIS lines who were out of NC THOMPSON out of NC (probably Burke Co. region)<-----------------------------Cherokee? LONG out of NC (Burke Co. region) <---------------------German and possible Cherokee SHELTON md. into the THOMPSON/LONG lines in Union/Fannin Co. GA I'm stuck real bad on this line, only have one name. She might be N/A ADKISSON/ATKINS/ATKINSON out of NC (where?) to Pulaski Co. GA before 1800 md. into BUTLER, HODO lines. Butler is probably out of NC, HODO was in Tusc. Co. ALA before 1830 and possible had more than one wife, he was a surveyor <----------CREEK HODO lived in Twiggs and Houston Co. GA later and ADKISSONs in Pulaski Co. GA I'm thinking ADKISSON were probably Lumbee all of these lines are hard to research, I find few marraige records, land records, deed, wills, ect. I've exhausted many sources and am at a standstill on most of these lines. I'd love to have anyone with info. on these surnames associated with any tribe to come forward and share the information. Concerning THOMPSON, my line was living very near the David THOMPSON and Nancy RIDER (CHerokee) line. I'm thinking "She" might have been a 2nd wife of one of the THOMPSONs. No marriage, no remarraige and yet she is found on census without a husband, with children, more children and still no husband listed. If I could locate the will of James LONG Sr. and Uly CANSLER LONG I might find some answers. Elizabeth THOMPSON was listed as a LONG in 1880 with Cicero LONG as his mother. I believe that was an err and he is her brother. However another possiblity exists and that is Eliz. THOMPSON was her maide name and she was the "other" wife of James LONG. She was living with James and Uly LONG in 1850. Missing on the 1860 GA census and back in 1870 next door to the LONGs. 1880 as I said she is with Cicero LONG. Possible a will exists for Cicero or for Eliz. LONG THOMPSON (Or whatever her name was). Is there anyone from the Fannin/Union area who could look for me? Thanks, Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: <Yuchimicco@aol.com> To: <CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:20 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Chickamauga Band > Folks, don't be shocked but the word Chickamauga is a Muskogean word, and > the so-called Chickamauga Cherokees were actually the result of Chief Dragging > Canoe leading a band of renegade Cherokees out of the mountains to settle at a > Tuskegee (northern Creek) town on the Tennessee River near modern day > Chattanooga. Not only that, but Chota, Tennessee the birthplace of Sequoyah, was > originally a Tuskegee town. The Tuskegees (actually Tas-ke'-ke') were > originally in the Little Tennessee River Valley just west of the Cherokees and > Upper Tennessee Valley. They were thoroughly decimated by Spanish swords and > diseases. Many of the survivors merged with the Cherokees and within a generation > were speaking Tsa-la-gi. > > There were 2400 Creeks living the Cherokee Nation in Georgia in 1832. > Especially, around Rome, and Cartersville, GA there were actually Creek villages > happily settled beside Cherokee villages. Many of the Creeks scattered into > the mountains prior to the Trail of Tears since they were not on the Cherokee > Rolls. > > Tullahoma, Tennessee got its name for the Tuskegee name meaning "Red Town." > > > If you have a Creek knot - a bony protrusion at the base of the skull above > where the neck joins, then you have Muskogean ancesters. > > Oh, if we only had a time machine to go back and see what really happened > 2-500 years ago! > > Richard > > > > ==== CREEK-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com the one word, UNSUBSCRIBE, in the BODY of the message. 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Debbie, Don't know if it connects but my daughter-in-law is a Shelton. They were Trail of Tears, Cherokee to IT. Some are registered in OK. Regards Cousin, --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

Debbie: I don't know anything about the "knot". Maybe another Jerry on the list. I have a knot too but I thought that was the reason my dad called me a "knot head" (humor). Be Well! Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Woolf" <woolfpac@PRODIGY.NET> To: <CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Chickamauga Band > Jerry, > > I'm not disputing the fact about the knot, but want some clearification. > I > had heard this many > years back about the bump at the back of the head. However, I have seen > some 'experts' > dispute it. What is the current feelings about this and is it science > based? > > I do have the bump, and have felt many other people's heads. My spouse did > not have it, > my kids do. My siblings do. Also, one of my nephews was born with the > mongolian spot. > I am positive we are Native and like many it's a mix and they were not on > the rolls. > > It is most frustrating to remain "a wannabee" in many eyes because I lack > proof (paper). My > family came from the right areas as well. I will write down my surnames > that I research and > locations/dates with a remark about possible tribes: > > the first 3 have N/A lines and probably were Melungeon > MYERS, native comes from a "wife", surname or indian name unknown, first > name > she went by was "Indianna". Her real name might be Frances BELL. > they lived in Wash. Co. TN, Hawkins co. TN in the 1830's then to > Rhea/Meigs co. TN > MOORE/SMITH out of NC, not sure county yet. Seen in 1860 Wilkes Co. NC > and > migrated > frequently. Not in Wilkes in 1850. Went into TN (probably Meigs region) > then to Pulaski Co. > KY, back to TN , finally IT by 1885 with the MYERS > MULLINS out of NC, not sure where, came to Grainger, Jefferson co. TN then > to WEST MO > next ARk and then TX by 1880 > GARRETTs out of VA, SC md. into JONES, HARRIS lines who were out of NC > THOMPSON out of NC (probably Burke Co. > region)<-----------------------------Cherokee? > LONG out of NC (Burke Co. region) <---------------------German and > possible > Cherokee > SHELTON md. into the THOMPSON/LONG lines in Union/Fannin Co. GA > I'm stuck real bad on this line, only have one name. She might be N/A > ADKISSON/ATKINS/ATKINSON out of NC (where?) to Pulaski Co. GA before 1800 > md. into BUTLER, HODO lines. Butler is probably out of NC, HODO was in > Tusc. Co. > ALA before 1830 and possible had more than one wife, he was a surveyor > <----------CREEK > HODO lived in Twiggs and Houston Co. GA later and ADKISSONs in Pulaski > Co. > GA > I'm thinking ADKISSON were probably Lumbee > > all of these lines are hard to research, I find few marraige records, > land > records, deed, wills, ect. > I've exhausted many sources and am at a standstill on most of these lines. > > I'd love to have anyone with info. on these surnames associated with any > tribe to come forward and share the information. Concerning THOMPSON, my > line was living very near the David THOMPSON and Nancy RIDER (CHerokee) > line. I'm thinking "She" might have been a 2nd wife of one of the > THOMPSONs. No marriage, no remarraige and yet she is found on census > without a husband, with children, more children and still no husband > listed. > If I could locate the will of James LONG Sr. and Uly CANSLER LONG I might > find some answers. Elizabeth THOMPSON was listed as a LONG in 1880 with > Cicero LONG as his mother. I believe that was an err and he is her > brother. > However another possiblity exists and that is Eliz. THOMPSON was her maide > name and she was the "other" wife of James LONG. She was living with > James > and Uly LONG in 1850. Missing on the 1860 GA census and back in 1870 next > door to the LONGs. > 1880 as I said she is with Cicero LONG. Possible a will exists for > Cicero > or for Eliz. LONG THOMPSON (Or whatever her name was). Is there anyone > from > the Fannin/Union area who could look for me? > > Thanks, Debbie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Yuchimicco@aol.com> > To: <CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:20 PM > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Chickamauga Band > > >> Folks, don't be shocked but the word Chickamauga is a Muskogean word, > and >> the so-called Chickamauga Cherokees were actually the result of Chief > Dragging >> Canoe leading a band of renegade Cherokees out of the mountains to settle > at a >> Tuskegee (northern Creek) town on the Tennessee River near modern day >> Chattanooga. Not only that, but Chota, Tennessee the birthplace of > Sequoyah, was >> originally a Tuskegee town. The Tuskegees (actually Tas-ke'-ke') were >> originally in the Little Tennessee River Valley just west of the >> Cherokees > and >> Upper Tennessee Valley. They were thoroughly decimated by Spanish swords > and >> diseases. Many of the survivors merged with the Cherokees and within a > generation >> were speaking Tsa-la-gi. >> >> There were 2400 Creeks living the Cherokee Nation in Georgia in 1832. >> Especially, around Rome, and Cartersville, GA there were actually Creek > villages >> happily settled beside Cherokee villages. Many of the Creeks scattered > into >> the mountains prior to the Trail of Tears since they were not on the > Cherokee >> Rolls. >> >> Tullahoma, Tennessee got its name for the Tuskegee name meaning "Red > Town." >> >> >> If you have a Creek knot - a bony protrusion at the base of the skull > above >> where the neck joins, then you have Muskogean ancesters. >> >> Oh, if we only had a time machine to go back and see what really >> happened >> 2-500 years ago! >> >> Richard >> >> >> >> ==== CREEK-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe, send to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com the one > word, UNSUBSCRIBE, in the BODY of the message. 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