Carolyn: I for one am not at all offended. I was aware of the the teeth thing. I always thought that it was common to everyone until I took an Anthro class in college many years ago and found out that was one of the ways of identifying american natives. I was unaware of the knot. I knew I had something strange (besides all of the obvious things) about my head but again I thought that everyone had one. I went and felt around on my wife's head and she didn't! But then she is of German ancestry. Thanks! Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Funderburk" <bamagal50@ec.rr.com> To: <CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 4:54 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Creek/Anatolian Knot > > To GHARDAGE, and the list: > > I hope I haven't overstepped the rules and common courtesy by replying to > the list regarding the Creek/Anatolian knot. I was asked if I could > explain the Creek/Anatolian knot. I am NO expert, but have studied Indian > and Melungeon peoples for about l0 years. I believe that there are > certain common characteristics in both groups. Melungeons are mixed-race > people which includes Indian blood along with white, black, Gypsy, > Sephardic Jews, etc. The Melungeons were/are found in Appalachia and > through time, some descendants moved into the Southern foothills and > elsewhere. I think that many people in the South have Indian and/or > Melungeon ancestry, with most having no idea of their backgrounds. > > I have transcribed verbatim the following information from Nancy Sparks > Morrison. She is host of the Melungeon Topica site, and also has > references to several other noteworthy sites listed below. I give credit > solely to Nancy, not me. > > > www.geocities.com/mikenassau/definition.htm > > www.sparksgenealogy.com/melungeon.html > > www.melungeonhealth.org/info.html > > > I apologize for the blank picture showing shovel teeth, but it would not > print. Refer to the last site above and it will show you the correct > picture. Shovel teeth are just that--flat on the front like the back of a > shovel, with a deep curve like a spoon on the backside. > > The last several paragraphs point out similarities between Melungeons and > Turkish (Anatolian) people. > > Again, I hope I have not offended anyone. Thank you. > > Carolyn Funderburk > bamagal50@ec.rr.com > > > MELUNGEON PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS: > > There are some physiological characteristics which are called ethnic > markers, that seem to be passed on through the lines of some Melungeon > descendants. There is a bump on the back of the HEAD of SOME descendants, > that is located at mid-line, just ABOVE the juncture with the neck. It is > about the size and shape of half a golf ball or smaller. This is called an > ANATOLIAN BUMP, and indicates ancestry from the Anatolian region of > Turkey. If you cannot find the bump, check to see if you, like some > descendants, including myself, have a ridge, located at the base of the > head where it joins the neck, rather than the Anatolian bump. > > This ridge is an enlargement of the base of the skull, which is called a > Central Asian Cranial Ridge. My ridge is quite noticeable. It is larger > than anyone else's that I have felt, except my father's. I can lay one > finger under it and the ridge is as deep as my finger is thick. Other > ridges are smaller. To find a ridge, place your hand at the base of your > neck where it joins your shoulders, and on the center line of your spine. > Run your fingers straight up your neck toward your head. If you have a > ridge, it will stop your fingers from going on up and across your head. > ONLY people who live/d in the Anatolian region of Turkey or Central Asia > also have this "bump/ridge. > " > See the following diagram for the site of both the ridge and bump. > > Back of Head > \lllllllllllllllllllllllll/ > > ears ( ___x___ ) ears x marks the bump's location > \valley / the ridge is the line __ shown > \ / neck > / \__shoulders > > There is also a ridge on the back of the first four teeth - two front > teeth and the ones on either side (upper and lower) of some descendants. > If you place your fingernail at the gum line and gently draw (up or down) > you can feel it and it makes a slight clicking sound. The back of the > teeth also curve outward rather than straight as the descendants of > anglo-saxon parentage do. Teeth like these are called Asian Shovel Teeth. > > Many Indian descendants also have this type of teeth. The back of the > first four teeth of Northern European descendants are straight and flat. > > > An example of northern European teeth would be similar to this diagram: > [ \l ] > Shovel teeth look like this diagram. Back of teeth [ )/ ] front of teeth, > straight > 10f7119f.jpg > > > SOME Melungeon descendants have what is called an Asian eyefold. This is > rather difficult to describe. At the inner corner of the eye, the upper > lid attaches slightly lower than the lower lid. That is to say that, it > overlaps the bottom lid. If you place your finger just under the inner > corner of the eye and gently pull down, a wrinkle will form which makes > the fold more visible. Some people call these eyes, "sleepy eyes, dreamy > eyes, bedroom eyes." Many Indian descendants also have these kinds of > eyes. > > nose < 0 > > ^ place your finger here and draw down gently > > Some families may have members with fairly dark skin who suffer with > vitiligo, a loss of pigmentation, leaving the skin blotched with white > patches. Some descendants have had six fingers or toes. There is a > family of people in Turkey whose surname translated into English is "Six > Fingered Ones." The term for that in Turkiq is "AltI parmak." (pronounced > "altah-par-mock) "AltI" ends with the undotted Turkish "i" which is > pronounced as "uh." > > There is a region near Efes (Ephesus) called "AltI Parmak" - many of the > people there have historically had six fingers. Some families have even > taken the last name of "AltIparmak." > > If your family has an Indian Grandmother(father) `myth' which you have > been unable to prove, an adoption story that is unprovable, or an orphan > myth, and they have been hard to trace and they lived in NC, TN, KY, VA, > WV areas in the early migration years or if they seem to have moved back > and forth in these areas and if they share any of the mentioned surnames > and characteristics, you MAY find a connection here. Some descendants do > not show the physical characteristics and of course, there are many people > with the surnames who are not connected to this group. > > > ==== CREEK-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com the one > word, UNSUBSCRIBE, in the BODY of the message. If you are subscribed to > the digest, send your unsubscrbe message to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-D-request@rootsweb.com. 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Before this discussion goes any further, it is time to stop. The list is for Genealogy. I do not have another list you can take this to, but you might check on Yahoo to see if there is a list. Judy List Mom >>Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Creek/Anatolian Knot