This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jonesbe2 Surnames: Bullard, Brown Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/3054/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My great grandmother, Rosie Bullard, was born in Opelika, AL on Jan. 1, 1906. She once told me that her father was Green Bullard and her mother's name was Minnie Brown. However, I do not know if they were ever married. I found Green on the 1900 census married to a woman named Olivia. However, I cannot locate mom or Bell (Bear) Brown which is the grandmother on any cenus. Other relatives told me how she would talk about her native heritage, although tribe was not mentioned. I did locate Browns on the Dawes rolls but I am unsure how to make connections, to see if they are related. Does anyone have any suggestions, or connections to this line of relatives. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Some of the Brown name are Cherokee and some or all (?) Chicamaugua Cherokee. Wilma (Brown - Canoe) Mankiller Cherokee Chief , mentions related to Canoe/Brown in her biography. You might check with the Cherokee. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Opelika, AL - Rosie Bullard > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: jonesbe2 > Surnames: Bullard, Brown > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/3054/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > My great grandmother, Rosie Bullard, was born in Opelika, AL on Jan. 1, > 1906. She once told me that her father was Green Bullard and her mother's > name was Minnie Brown. However, I do not know if they were ever married. > I found Green on the 1900 census married to a woman named Olivia. > However, I cannot locate mom or Bell (Bear) Brown which is the grandmother > on any cenus. Other relatives told me how she would talk about her native > heritage, although tribe was not mentioned. I did locate Browns on the > Dawes rolls but I am unsure how to make connections, to see if they are > related. Does anyone have any suggestions, or connections to this line of > relatives. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Marcia, I assume you are in Pensacola or there abouts. Pensacola is my home town, but I currently live in Virginia and have been trying to trace my roots. My journey thus far has led me to Central Georgia and my family elders have been saying for years my great great great grandmother was Creek Indian. I am in the process of gathering family documents and court records, but have not been able to show a true link to the creek nation. Do you know of any resources I maybe able to use to help? I have looked through the Dawes rolls and found names that match, but have no evidence of my relation to this point. Any help would be appreciated. Wayne A. Cross -----Original Message----- From: Marcia Lee <mlee@uwf.edu> To: CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 9:28 am Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Washitah NOT a tribe The Washitaw group claiming to be a tribe recognized by the UN are not a eal tribe. The Southern Poverty Law Center has two good articles in heir Intelligence Reports at their website on these folks. Read the eports for Spring 1999 "Born on the Bayou" & Spring 2000 "Common Law roups A Louisiana Empress Faces the Law". These guys are major scam rtists claiming to be Black mound builders & indigenous peoples who eally own the land of the Louisiana Purchase. They issued for a nice ee their own drivers licenses of various kinds & passports & don't pay axes, etc. If the UN really recognized this group as indigenous peoples hen we have a problem in that its not checking & verifying these groups the REAL indigenous peoples are being lumped in with some very shady olk. I guess that's just another reason the UN needs a house cleaning. Marcie Notes on the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm Early Creek History http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ Migration Legend of the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: laingram Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/67.148.1.2.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: A Conquering Spirit: Fort Mims and the Redstick War of 1813-1814 (by Gregory A. Waselkov) has a list of documented confirmed deaths at Ft. Mims. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sbmoore_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/67.148.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The names and details, if known, are listed in Dr. Greg Waselkov's book, A Conquering Spirit: Fort Mims and the Red Stick War of 1813-1814. I think it has also just come out in paperback or is about to. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: amikepappas Surnames: Martin, Rat, Hall, Byrd Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/67.148.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: How can I obtain a copy of the families of Ft Mims? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: amikepappas Surnames: Martin, Rat Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/808.1.1.2.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Shilodream, My family was Native American Creek or Cherokee from Northwest Florida, Alabama and Georgia areas. I noticed that you seemed frustrated in one of your last posts. Do not become discouraged as you search. I just read an article published in the Native American Museum magazine on "documentary genocide" performed by the census bureau of Virginia. (If they erase our documents, they erase our heritage) Those of us who seek the truth about our ancestors are discouraged by those trying to exploit what we uncover along the way or try to disprove what we know to be true. Don't give up, but if you find Sallie Martin or Chuna (Rat) along the way, please let me know. They were from Georgia, Alabama and NW Florida. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

this is really interesting information!!mvto for sharing it..in my own searches found folks coming from SC,and even KY coming into what is now S AL and NW FL..this clears up a bit of the fog! Sandi Perry > From: creek-southeast-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: CREEK-SOUTHEAST Digest, Vol 4, Issue 215 > To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:01:39 -0600 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Political boundary changes can confuse ancestor searches! > (TalliyaSoutheast@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:58:53 EDT > From: TalliyaSoutheast@aol.com > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Political boundary changes can confuse > ancestor searches! > To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c8d.54007a2c.3816403d@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Well, you learn something every day. I thought I was an expert on the > history of Georgia and the states of the Southern Highlands, but I just got a > surprise. The first chapter of Part III of my books on the Southern > Highlands is all maps and their analysis. > > The northern half of Georgia was officially part of South Carolina until > after the Revolution. Now, the Colony of Georgia CLAIMED the northern > half, but all maps made outside of Savannah, showed the region being part of > South Carolina. At the close of the Revolution, someone in Congress was > offered an option to buy Home Depot stock cheap, and therefore got Congress to > see Georgia's point of view. <kidding> > > Just to be sure that I wasn't getting senile, I went to the county > library and asked for the official state history book used in Georgia classrooms. > Sure enough, it does NOT mention that Augusta, GA and the Creek Capital > of Coweta, were both in South Carolina according to maps adopted by the > British Crown. Georgia created a huge county on the frontier - Wilkes County - > that actually was in South Carolina's territory. In fact several Colonial > Georgia counties were according to the Crown, in South Carolina. > Apparently, settlers who moved from South Carolina and North Carolina to the north > Georgia frontier called it South Carolina, while immigrants coming through > Savannah, called it Georgia. > > In other words, you might have ancestors from that period who say they > lived in South Carolina, but actually lived in what we now know as Georgia. > > My family had always been confused because my earliest recorded Creek > ancestor, Mahala Bone, in the 1760s, moved with her family from a Creek village > on the Catawba River between Chester and Lancaster, SC to another Creek > community on the frontier. The location sure sounded like NE Georgia. My > grandmother always said that the original location of their mother town was > just north of Savannah, but that it moved upstream before the Revolution. > Now it all makes sense. > > By the way, all English, French and Spanish maps do not mention the > Cherokees until 1690. Prior to that decade, English and French maps show the > Apalachee occupying the Blue Ridge Mountains of Georgia, and the land > between the Nantahala Mountains and the Blue Ridge in North Carolina. The > Kusa's are shown occupying the Cohutta Mountains. Various Koasati and Yuchi > towns occupy the Tennessee River Valley and the Rickohockens controlled NW > North Carolina and SW Virginia. French maps show that the Apalachicola - > Creeks occupied NW Georgia until 1763, when France was defeated by England. > English maps don't show all western North Carolina and far eastern Tennessee > being controlled by the Cherokees until 1748. West of and north of the > Tennessee was always Chickasaw country. Even then all of the Indians EAST of > the Brevard Fault in the North Carolina mountains were either Coweta > Creeks, Yuchi or Shawnee. The farthermost east Cherokee settlements were two > tiny hamlets on the French Broad River near modern day Asheville, NC > > When the Cherokees invaded northern Georgia in 1755, it was thought by > everybody, but the folks in Savannah to be part of South Carolina. However, > the Creeks, Chickasaws, Aplachee's and Yuchi's living in northern Georgia > were allied with the Colony of Georgia, not South Carolina. South Carolina > signed a treaty with the Cherokees in 1755 giving them what is now northern > Georgia in return for fighting the French. The towns that the Cherokees > attacked were English allies - but Georgia-English allies. What the South > Carolinians were really doing, is cementing their claim to the region by > eliminating natives, who would want to be in the Colony of Georgia. > > By the way, despite what the historical markers and Cherokees tell you, > after initial success with a surprise attack on Taliwa, the Cherokees > suffered catastrophic losses when the Upper Creeks counter-attacked. An > official British Army map made in late 1755, shows all of the western and > southern Cherokee towns abandoned by late 1755. The Cherokees sent offers for > peace to the Upper Creeks, and even considered changing sides. The British > panicked and sent wagon loads of blankets saturated with small pox pus to > the Cherokees. As a result of the intentional smallpox plague, the Cherokees > lost about a third of their population. By 1757, they were in a bloody > war with England, their former ally. > > Richard T. > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CREEK-SOUTHEAST list administrator, send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CREEK-SOUTHEAST mailing list, send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CREEK-SOUTHEAST Digest, Vol 4, Issue 215 > *********************************************** _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx?CBID=wl&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_pcscout:102009

Well, you learn something every day. I thought I was an expert on the history of Georgia and the states of the Southern Highlands, but I just got a surprise. The first chapter of Part III of my books on the Southern Highlands is all maps and their analysis. The northern half of Georgia was officially part of South Carolina until after the Revolution. Now, the Colony of Georgia CLAIMED the northern half, but all maps made outside of Savannah, showed the region being part of South Carolina. At the close of the Revolution, someone in Congress was offered an option to buy Home Depot stock cheap, and therefore got Congress to see Georgia's point of view. <kidding> Just to be sure that I wasn't getting senile, I went to the county library and asked for the official state history book used in Georgia classrooms. Sure enough, it does NOT mention that Augusta, GA and the Creek Capital of Coweta, were both in South Carolina according to maps adopted by the British Crown. Georgia created a huge county on the frontier - Wilkes County - that actually was in South Carolina's territory. In fact several Colonial Georgia counties were according to the Crown, in South Carolina. Apparently, settlers who moved from South Carolina and North Carolina to the north Georgia frontier called it South Carolina, while immigrants coming through Savannah, called it Georgia. In other words, you might have ancestors from that period who say they lived in South Carolina, but actually lived in what we now know as Georgia. My family had always been confused because my earliest recorded Creek ancestor, Mahala Bone, in the 1760s, moved with her family from a Creek village on the Catawba River between Chester and Lancaster, SC to another Creek community on the frontier. The location sure sounded like NE Georgia. My grandmother always said that the original location of their mother town was just north of Savannah, but that it moved upstream before the Revolution. Now it all makes sense. By the way, all English, French and Spanish maps do not mention the Cherokees until 1690. Prior to that decade, English and French maps show the Apalachee occupying the Blue Ridge Mountains of Georgia, and the land between the Nantahala Mountains and the Blue Ridge in North Carolina. The Kusa's are shown occupying the Cohutta Mountains. Various Koasati and Yuchi towns occupy the Tennessee River Valley and the Rickohockens controlled NW North Carolina and SW Virginia. French maps show that the Apalachicola - Creeks occupied NW Georgia until 1763, when France was defeated by England. English maps don't show all western North Carolina and far eastern Tennessee being controlled by the Cherokees until 1748. West of and north of the Tennessee was always Chickasaw country. Even then all of the Indians EAST of the Brevard Fault in the North Carolina mountains were either Coweta Creeks, Yuchi or Shawnee. The farthermost east Cherokee settlements were two tiny hamlets on the French Broad River near modern day Asheville, NC When the Cherokees invaded northern Georgia in 1755, it was thought by everybody, but the folks in Savannah to be part of South Carolina. However, the Creeks, Chickasaws, Aplachee's and Yuchi's living in northern Georgia were allied with the Colony of Georgia, not South Carolina. South Carolina signed a treaty with the Cherokees in 1755 giving them what is now northern Georgia in return for fighting the French. The towns that the Cherokees attacked were English allies - but Georgia-English allies. What the South Carolinians were really doing, is cementing their claim to the region by eliminating natives, who would want to be in the Colony of Georgia. By the way, despite what the historical markers and Cherokees tell you, after initial success with a surprise attack on Taliwa, the Cherokees suffered catastrophic losses when the Upper Creeks counter-attacked. An official British Army map made in late 1755, shows all of the western and southern Cherokee towns abandoned by late 1755. The Cherokees sent offers for peace to the Upper Creeks, and even considered changing sides. The British panicked and sent wagon loads of blankets saturated with small pox pus to the Cherokees. As a result of the intentional smallpox plague, the Cherokees lost about a third of their population. By 1757, they were in a bloody war with England, their former ally. Richard T.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: shirleyCranford1 Surnames: Roby Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/3050.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I really not sure about your relatives, my relatives live in the St.Francis area. Wilder junction, on the back skrit of forest City Arkansas. Then my family move to North Little Rock Arkansas. My Grandfather was named cliff Roby and GreatGrandfather is name Percy Roby father name is Johnthan RRoby. They was from Mississippi. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

that is why I used the word "most". ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Blount To: Robert Page Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Theresa Friend Robert, Correcting you is out of the question. You have studied Creek Indians long enough to know we learn together and I have learned much from you and continue to do so. Your email was a delight. The Cultural practices you mentioned have long been a part of North American Native history and confusing to genealogists. I add only one proviso. Each historic tribe and tribal group had discrete cultural belief systems that did not cross over inter tribally. This is still true today. American Indians are not a "one size fits all" population. There are more than 65 federally recognized tribes and an untold number of non-federal tribes and Alaskan villages. Each distinct tribe or tribal group has a discrete belief system and we must use care in using phrases like "most all Indians", "all Indians", "many Indians" or "Indian nations in general" when writing about specific cultural beliefs. We Creeks are especially sensitive on this point and have a saying: "that person does not speak for me". Your insight about the overlay of many cultures during the pre-colonial and colonial periods is accurate. These were times in American history that were especially "hazardous to Indian cultural system health". And, you rightly suggest that world history in any period or location is a story about minority community survival given assimilation and adaptation. Thank you for a vision of Teresa crossing the land bridge. I picture her as a very flexible woman with good adaptation for survival. She made it here safely and stayed because we know you are here. Her experience flows in you now and my personal knowledge tells me you used it wisely and have done well by your children. Confusion will never all be eliminated in Native American ancestry research. You make that clear by showing no one person can ever know the acculturation level of our early ancestors, Nevertheless, I am sure your positive story of success in finding Teresa will encourage others. As a Native Indian psychologist, I have had the pleasure to work with adult patients taken away from families as children, adopted out to white and other racial groups where they became strangers to their heritage. When the "calling of Blood" gives rise to questioning and the journey ends in rediscover themselves as Native people, the event defies written words and spoken explanations. MVTTO Chief Seattle once said, "Today is ours but tomorrow belongs to our children." Friend Robert, if today is ours then we must continue to encourage research that helps identify all of our Native children so they may be restored to their today. Your friend, Mary Sixwomen Blount, Principle Chief, Apalachicola Creek Indians --- On Sat, 10/17/09, Robert Page <flkeybob@terranova.net> wrote: From: Robert Page <flkeybob@terranova.net>Subject: Re: Theresa To: wapage@citcom.net Cc: "Mary Blount" <sixwomen@yahoo.com> Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 10:13 PM Most Native Americans (Indians) followed the custom that the wife was the dominate one (of the family) and one did not "marry" a male within the same tribe and the same clan, which meant another clan for sure and often it also meant another tribe. (How in the world did they know how smart that plan was, so far back in history?) So, if that is the case with our clear paper trail line, then THERESA, who is clearly a Menominee Indian, got that, from her mother and that her father might have been a Chippewa Indian. All children of the mother took up the tribe and clan of the mother. As female Indians (often daughters of chiefs) began to marry whites (British/Scotch/French/Americans) (usually for commercial trading reasons) they began to slowly follow white mans customs and as time went on, this Indian custom became blurred, with white mans rules . As many Indians (especially males) began to use their English/French name, sometimes also with their Indian name, it added to the confusion. Spelling of the English version of the name was also a problem. As this was occurring, the female name was, most of the time, never really indentified, by name, in official records, but the male usually was, and "sometimes his children" but again ... almost never mentioning the mother's name of his children. Then to further complicate this issue, and really makes it very difficult, to back track a blood line, is the custom, by most Indians, that if something happened to the father (remember warfare and disease), then the wife "remarried" by necessity, and the bloodline was changed, but if both parents were killed, the children would normally go to a relative, of the wife, for raising. Many times, when a male was being raised, he was not subject, to the blood father's influence, but usually raised, by a brother or uncle of the wife, especially, as he approached manhood and the tests that went with that elevation. I did not mention the word "divorce" because that is a white man's term that does not really exist in the Indian language. If an Indian man and wife, did not get along, it was a pretty simple thing to handle. No attorneys, no divorce courts, no fight about ownership of land, house, the dog or TV set, no haggling over the kids, because they all belonged to the wife, by long standing custom. The split occurred and that was the end of it. No hard feelings, no visitation rights even discussed. (Has things changed much?) Divorce was not the problem, it was disease, brought by the whites and warfare over land for trading rights and land ownership (by white rules, in treaty negotiations, that was almost always violated by the whites). As the whites proceeded to run the Indians "out of their lands", where the Indians raised their families for centuries, as the new American nation was expanding westward, the Indian Nations, were decimated, by one way or another. Just for the record, I offered my DNA sample to Family Tree DNA project in year 2005 for my Mitochondria "mtDNA", which is the study of the female genetic lines within human populations. BUT.....I need to reveal that my genealogical and Y-DNA results are clearly English and clearly "White". I knew my family line want back to NC/SC,and when I got my Y-DNA results, it backed me up to Isle of Wight, Va ...then with further research, we finally learned our line came out of County Suffolk, England. My DNA study of my MtDNA in 2005 revealed my "Native American" heritage and my results were: Haplogroup "C" sample # 2932. Since I had already established a "Paper trail" of my mothers female line backwards, to Wisconsin, it was easy to see where the "missing link" was and just needed some additional research, which provided a partial answer. MISSING WAS THE NAME OF THE MENOMINEE WOMAN, and that we now know. Since I was among one of the first in the United States, to learn my MtDNA results, and was puzzled by the results, there have been over 20 others that have joined, my very select "C" grouping, and it is very interesting to study the movement of this MtDNA, provided on a map by FTDNA, from the original female birthplace in northern Africa, up through many countries and my most distant female ancestor "Theresa" crossing the Bering Straights (land bridge) into what was finally the United States, but many of this line continuing down to Mexico and South America. My THERESA LINE appearing in what is now Wisconsin, in what is now the United States. I am sending copy of this to my good friend Mary Blount from the Florida Creek/Seminole line out of Blountstown, Florida (now relocated to Texas) for her comment. This is a very confusing genealogical topic and rarely understood in the white world. Mary, please feel free to correct me, in my simple explanation, if I misstated anything. I want the record to be correct. ----- Original Message ----- From: wapage@citcom.net To: Robert Page Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Theresa Bob 10-4 Don't know answer to the tribe question. I asked Tim if he could explain. Don't know where you found she was Menominee but the letter and document from Mr. Hansen of Wisc. Historical Society said Menominee but the hand written note by Brunet (aks Brunette) her husband clearly says Chippewa. I know both tribes were in that area. Actually the Chippewa fought with the Sioux and ran the Sioux off from that area and which resulted in Sioux moving into the Dakotas. I seem to recall reading that Menominee were more "peaceful" so I would tend to think we are more in line with Chippewa. Along with Viking I think that accounts for my desire to hit some people in their forehead with a tommahawk. Will keep you posted. Bill ---- Original message ---- Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:47:25 -0400 From: "Robert Page" <flkeybob@terranova.net> Subject: Theresa To: "Bill Page" wapage@citcom.net Great work! will try and see what additional facts you have discovered to add to my chart "Female line of R. and W Page. and my old chart AD1A-3B that I renumbered to AD1A-3D. I have slowly been pulling out some of our Page line documents to send to you and will try and put some in a box and send. I have sent 9 boxes of stuff to the Marion Co, SC Archives to save it from the trash pile, when I am gone. I have one question, we know Theresa was a Meminee Indian but I see a tie to the Chippewa Indians. Not clear what that means. GREAT WORK

Hey Marcie and Ric. Of course, the Ouachita or Washita were a legitimate tribe of Arkansas. They are believed to have been Siouans, who adopted Muskogean traditions and also built mounds. The Ouachita Mountains in Arkansas and Oklahoma are named after them. The remnants of the Washita are believed to have joined either the Cherokees or the Creeks, during the early 1800s. The problem with saying who is legitimate Native American and who isn't, is the fact of racial mixing. Many, many people are of mixed Native American and African and/or European heritage. Over six hundred thousand Native Americans in the Southeast were abducted into slavery. Undoubted many intermarried with their African colleagues. Some cults pick up on this demographic fact and create fantasy histories. There was a similar cult in Georgia, which originally claimed to be Natchez. I was invited to speak to their Thanksgiving - Native American Heritage Month celebration. Most of the people attending were visibly part Muskogean. Small Natchez villages were founded in 1730 in Pine Log, GA and Pine Log, NC - in the mountains about 180 miles from where these psuedo-Natchez established their "reservation." They couldn't be part Natchez. These people did have substantial Creek heritage . . . but they didn't want to hear that. Richard T.

Thanks Marcie....have found and copied the articles. I hope the girl has not been scammed. Thanks TT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ghostdance" <ghostdance@bigbend.net> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Washitah NOT a tribe > Well stated Marcie. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcia Lee" <mlee@uwf.edu> > To: <CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:28 AM > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Washitah NOT a tribe > > >> The Washitaw group claiming to be a tribe recognized by the UN are not a >> real tribe. The Southern Poverty Law Center has two good articles in >> their Intelligence Reports at their website on these folks. Read the >> reports for Spring 1999 "Born on the Bayou" & Spring 2000 "Common Law >> Groups A Louisiana Empress Faces the Law". These guys are major scam >> artists claiming to be Black mound builders & indigenous peoples who >> really own the land of the Louisiana Purchase. They issued for a nice >> fee their own drivers licenses of various kinds & passports & don't pay >> taxes, etc. If the UN really recognized this group as indigenous peoples >> then we have a problem in that its not checking & verifying these groups >> & the REAL indigenous peoples are being lumped in with some very shady >> folk. I guess that's just another reason the UN needs a house cleaning. >> >> Marcie >> >> Notes on the Creek Indians >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm >> >> Early Creek History >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ >> >> Migration Legend of the Creek Indians >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well stated Marcie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcia Lee" <mlee@uwf.edu> To: <CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Washitah NOT a tribe > The Washitaw group claiming to be a tribe recognized by the UN are not a > real tribe. The Southern Poverty Law Center has two good articles in > their Intelligence Reports at their website on these folks. Read the > reports for Spring 1999 "Born on the Bayou" & Spring 2000 "Common Law > Groups A Louisiana Empress Faces the Law". These guys are major scam > artists claiming to be Black mound builders & indigenous peoples who > really own the land of the Louisiana Purchase. They issued for a nice > fee their own drivers licenses of various kinds & passports & don't pay > taxes, etc. If the UN really recognized this group as indigenous peoples > then we have a problem in that its not checking & verifying these groups > & the REAL indigenous peoples are being lumped in with some very shady > folk. I guess that's just another reason the UN needs a house cleaning. > > Marcie > > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Washitaw group claiming to be a tribe recognized by the UN are not a real tribe. The Southern Poverty Law Center has two good articles in their Intelligence Reports at their website on these folks. Read the reports for Spring 1999 "Born on the Bayou" & Spring 2000 "Common Law Groups A Louisiana Empress Faces the Law". These guys are major scam artists claiming to be Black mound builders & indigenous peoples who really own the land of the Louisiana Purchase. They issued for a nice fee their own drivers licenses of various kinds & passports & don't pay taxes, etc. If the UN really recognized this group as indigenous peoples then we have a problem in that its not checking & verifying these groups & the REAL indigenous peoples are being lumped in with some very shady folk. I guess that's just another reason the UN needs a house cleaning. Marcie

Is anyone familiar with a old tribe from SC and/or NC named Washitaw? I was told by one that says she is of that tribe and they were "Carbon dated"???????? She also told me that they were included in some kind of UNITED NATIONS Human Rights declaration and was ratified in 2008?????? I have no idea what this means with the UN and native blood! Strange to me. TT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy White" <jwhite@loganet.net> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Westo Indians > You might want to try this page for some additional reading on the Westo > Indians, > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/allophylic_languages.htm > > This page on the Yuch also contains Westo history > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/uchean/yuchihist.htm > > Judy > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:23 PM, <TalliyaSoutheast@aol.com> wrote: > >> The Westo Indians were associated with massive slave raids into the >> Carolinas and Georgia during the late 1600s. They were armed by the >> Colony >> of >> Virginia and sold their slaves to Virginia and Charleston Slave markets. >> Initially, South Carolina planters did business with them also, but >> began >> to >> fear them after they settled on the Savannah River near modern day >> Augusta. >> A combined army of Shawnee (Savano) Indians and Carolina militia gave >> them a thrashing around 1680. I have French map that shows a Westo >> village in >> Georgia, southeast of modern day Macon around 1730. >> >> The Westo name probably was derived from the Hitchiti-Creek term wes-te, >> which means "people with long, unkempt hair." Virginia historians feel >> that >> the Westos were a band of Rickohocken Indians, since it is a documented >> fact that the Colony of Virginia had a long term contract with the >> Rickohockens to obtain Native American slaves from the Lower Southeast. >> >> Richard T. >> Notes on the Creek Indians >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm >> >> Early Creek History >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ >> >> Migration Legend of the Creek Indians >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Native American Genealogy http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/ > AccessGenealogy http://www.accessgenealogy.com/ > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Richard,   I knew you'd have info. for me.   Thanks, Glenn Kindest Regards, Glenn D. Faulk Contemporary Equine San Antonio, Texas (210) 416-7043 --- On Tue, 10/20/09, TalliyaSoutheast@aol.com <TalliyaSoutheast@aol.com> wrote: From: TalliyaSoutheast@aol.com <TalliyaSoutheast@aol.com> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Westo Indians To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 2:23 PM The Westo Indians were associated with massive slave raids into the  Carolinas and Georgia during the late 1600s.  They were armed by the Colony  of Virginia and sold their slaves to Virginia and Charleston Slave  markets.  Initially,  South Carolina planters did business with them  also, but began to fear them after they settled on the Savannah River near  modern day Augusta. A combined army of Shawnee (Savano) Indians and  Carolina militia gave them a thrashing around 1680.  I have French map that  shows a Westo village in Georgia, southeast of modern day Macon around  1730. The Westo name probably was derived from the Hitchiti-Creek term wes-te,  which means "people with long, unkempt hair."  Virginia historians feel  that the Westos were a band of Rickohocken Indians, since it is a documented  fact that the Colony of Virginia had a long term contract with the Rickohockens  to obtain Native American slaves from the Lower Southeast. Richard T. Notes on the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm Early Creek History http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ Migration Legend of the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Judy!   Glenn Kindest Regards, Glenn D. Faulk Contemporary Equine San Antonio, Texas (210) 416-7043 --- On Tue, 10/20/09, Judy White <jwhite@loganet.net> wrote: From: Judy White <jwhite@loganet.net> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Westo Indians To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 2:34 PM You might want to try this page for some additional reading on the Westo Indians, http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/allophylic_languages.htm This page on the Yuch also contains Westo history http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/uchean/yuchihist.htm Judy On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:23 PM, <TalliyaSoutheast@aol.com> wrote: > The Westo Indians were associated with massive slave raids into the > Carolinas and Georgia during the late 1600s.  They were armed by the Colony >  of > Virginia and sold their slaves to Virginia and Charleston Slave  markets. > Initially,  South Carolina planters did business with them  also, but began > to > fear them after they settled on the Savannah River near  modern day > Augusta. >  A combined army of Shawnee (Savano) Indians and  Carolina militia gave > them a thrashing around 1680.  I have French map that  shows a Westo > village in > Georgia, southeast of modern day Macon around  1730. > > The Westo name probably was derived from the Hitchiti-Creek term wes-te, > which means "people with long, unkempt hair."  Virginia historians feel >  that > the Westos were a band of Rickohocken Indians, since it is a documented > fact that the Colony of Virginia had a long term contract with the > Rickohockens  to obtain Native American slaves from the Lower Southeast. > > Richard T. > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Native American Genealogy http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/ AccessGenealogy http://www.accessgenealogy.com/ Notes on the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm Early Creek History http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ Migration Legend of the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The original message by this poster was on the Rootsweb-Ancestry message board - it was gatewayed from that message board to this Rootsweb list. He/she is apparently not subscribed to this list so they only see the responses posted on the message board and not the ones you guys are posting here. Click on the blue hyperlink to the message board if you want to reply to a message that shows it is gatewayed. You will see your response here but a poster who is not subscribed to this list will not. Some of the message boards have a corresponding subscriber list and some don't - they all say at the top if messages posted there will appear on the rootsweb list of the same name or not. If you do a county search, every county that is gatewayed to a subscriber list has a little envelope on it. Hope this helps and is not just confusing! Evelyn S. Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ghostdance" <ghostdance@bigbend.net> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Mulattoes in Alabama,were they Creek Indians ? > > Are you related to Hatai Huguley ( I may have the spelling of his first > name > wrong )? Huguley > road in Crawford is named after him. That area has an Opelika address > now.>> >>> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/808.1.1.2.2.2/mb.ashx >>> >>> Message Board Post: >>> >>> yes peewee jack. Everyone seems to be ignoring my emails. Do you know >>> any >>> huguley's, Huguly's the live in Opelika or that use to live there? >>> >>> Important Note: >>> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you >>> would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link >>> above and respond on the board. >>> >>> >>> >>> Notes on the Creek Indians >>> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm >>> >>> Early Creek History >>> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ >>> >>> Migration Legend of the Creek Indians >>> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> Notes on the Creek Indians >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm >> >> Early Creek History >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ >> >> Migration Legend of the Creek Indians >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Westo Indians were associated with massive slave raids into the Carolinas and Georgia during the late 1600s. They were armed by the Colony of Virginia and sold their slaves to Virginia and Charleston Slave markets. Initially, South Carolina planters did business with them also, but began to fear them after they settled on the Savannah River near modern day Augusta. A combined army of Shawnee (Savano) Indians and Carolina militia gave them a thrashing around 1680. I have French map that shows a Westo village in Georgia, southeast of modern day Macon around 1730. The Westo name probably was derived from the Hitchiti-Creek term wes-te, which means "people with long, unkempt hair." Virginia historians feel that the Westos were a band of Rickohocken Indians, since it is a documented fact that the Colony of Virginia had a long term contract with the Rickohockens to obtain Native American slaves from the Lower Southeast. Richard T.