I ordered a copy of the book on the 9th and have not received it yet. Awf. -----Original Message----- From: creek-southeast-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:creek-southeast-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:16 PM To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Fwd: Rise of the Poarch Band Book Oh gee! Look what happens when I'm not online for a few weeks!! I am SO excited!!! Thank you so very much for posting this. I will definitely be ordering a copy of this book because my Moniacs are listed prominently. Chapter 9 is devoted to Magnaque & Manac (Moniac) and Chapter 16 is about David Moniac!!! And from what I can tell from looking so far, the book should teach me a lot. Thanks much to the authors (wish I could give them both a big hug)! My 4th great-grandmother was Nahoga Moniac (daughter of William Dixon Moniac & Polly Colbert) who married Jack Ward. David Moniac was her nephew. I have his military records from West Point (ordered them years ago) Can't wait to get my hands on this book!! Would love to be in contact with other descendants of William Dixon Moniac. Take care all! Lisa in Louisiana -----Original Message----- >From: Jacnrg@aol.com >Sent: Nov 9, 2009 12:46 PM >To: CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Fwd: Rise of the Poarch Band Book > > > > > >____________________________________ > From: gonegolfingsc@bellsouth.net >To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@smtp122.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com; >Sent: 11/9/2009 11:27:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time >Subj: Rise of the Poarch Band Book > > >If anyone is interested in getting an autographed book, as I was told, >dealing with the rise of the Poarch Band written by two Poarch Creeks, one of >which I personally know, Steve Travis (and Lou Vickery) the noted Creek >genealogist, at a low price for pre-ordering prior to distribution, go to the >link below....only $15.00 including shipping. Some of my kin's surname are >mentioned in book and it is very interesting. I am the messenger, not the >author. Thanks TT > > > >_http://www.scattersunshine.com/Showcase/Showcase.html_ >(http://www.scattersunshine.com/Showcase/Showcase.html) > > >Notes on the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > >Early Creek History http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > >Migration Legend of the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Notes on the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm Early Creek History http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ Migration Legend of the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bunniemccosar Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/734.1.5.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Creek Indian genealogy: The roles are always open BUT it boils down to having a ancestor listed on the Dawes Roll of 1899. You have to be THAT persons descendent long with certified birth certificates and roll numbers. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bunniemccosar Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/728.2.3.3.1.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: another shot in the dark: Martini (book) wrote that M. M. Durant (Martin Madison ?)possible son of Lachlan married Hannah ___?. His children: Norman L. 1843; Walter H. 1845; Napoleon BB. 1847; Charles L. 1849; Adam 1852; T. C. 1854; Oliver P. 1856; D.W. ( I think this is G.W. = George Washington 1858; and L. D. 1859; Please don't use initials in your genealogy lists / reports !!!!! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bunniemccosar Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/728.2.3.3.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Just shooting in the dark: I have a good reference book " Who Was Who Among The Southern Indians a genealogical notebook " 1698 - 1907 written by Don Martini in 1998 from Falkner, Ms. Cost me about 25$ about 10 years ago - worth the money. Probably can still be ordered by googling his name. The book lists the only possible Joseph Durant that could have been in the Creek country as being " a possible indian trader - was described as a Frenchman in August, 1792, when he and the Cherokee Richard Findleston warned the citizens of Nashville of an impending Cherokee attack". Martini lists all his reference material for his notes. The only other Joseph Durant listed is a Choctaw indian. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bunniemccosar Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/728.2.1.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Did you ever get your questions answered about the Yargee and Cornell connections ?? I'm a descendent along the Cornell, Kerel/ Kernal/ Cornells lines and do genealogy of Creek Indians. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

For Judy (list mom) and all the wonderful people on this list, I want to thank you for allowing me, a white eyes, to be a member. As some of you may know, I am a writer and student of Native American cultures. I write historical fiction - taking real places and times in history and weave fictional characters through them - trying to remain as accurate as possible in the traditions, religion and culture It was on this list that I found the website that contained the writings of Dr. Marion Tarvin who, in his first few paragraphs, gave me the idea and inspiration to write an entire novel based on the "oral tradition" that he recorded of the Muskogee people's origins and migration across America to the southeast in the 1500s. This is not an attempt to try to market the resulting book (which will be released in December), but simply a heartfelt 'MVTO' for allowing me to be a part of this group. I have learned so much here and you have all made me feel welcome. The website I mentioned can be found HERE <http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Ecmamcrk4/crkst1.html#anchor1280778>. Phil Whitley http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cmamcrk4/crkst1.html#anchor1280778

There is a great little book, They Say the Wind is Red, written by Jacquelyn Matte, that has the genealogies of the Choctaw families around Washington and Mobile Cos. Also, you can google MOWA and get a lot of information. Hope this helps. Evelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "sharon Agte" <agte@centurytel.net> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Under Spain > Can't find reference book on colonies allowed by Spanish; but, one was > Swedish. Second Swedish vessel turned away. > I would like source for Choctaw & Cherokee around Mobile, mother's family. > Father's from Florida Creek group, once led by Lonzo Wood; no contact > since his and another cousin's death. Believe Cherokee families on both > sides migrated through GA from Carolinas, to AL. > Regards, > Sha Agte

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bunniemccosar Surnames: Fixico, Cosar, McCosar, Cornell / Kernel/ Kernal/ Cornells Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/465.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Checking to see if you are still on line. I do Creek genealogy and my older ancestors were Fixicos. Contact me if you still need more info. I have several of the rolls and a large data base I've been working on for about 15 years. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Actually, Washington County, just north of Baldwin had draft beer when Alabama was dry because of the large German settlement there. I suspect my gggrandfather was heading there when he settled in the Dothan area in mid-1800's. I can not substantiate it, but I think the settlement in Washing County goes back to the mid 1700's. S -----Original Message----- >From: Patti Hall <hpjh777@gmail.com> >Sent: Nov 17, 2009 10:08 PM >To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] German enclave in AL ? > >There is a small town in Southern Alabama called Elberta, in Baldwin County, >that had early German settlers, and there is still a large German population >there. > >On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:17 PM, <gmwnmd@webtv.net> wrote: > >> My great-grandfather Stough (Stauch) came from "the Piney Woods of >> Alabama" to Texas after the Civil War. He married in Decatur, which is >> far Northern Alabama. Is that the "Piney Woods" area? The family came >> from Germany to Pennsylvania, NC, SC, GA to AL. >> >> Thank you >> >> Notes on the Creek Indians >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm >> >> Early Creek History >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ >> >> Migration Legend of the Creek Indians >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >Notes on the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > >Early Creek History http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > >Migration Legend of the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a small town in Southern Alabama called Elberta, in Baldwin County, that had early German settlers, and there is still a large German population there. On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:17 PM, <gmwnmd@webtv.net> wrote: > My great-grandfather Stough (Stauch) came from "the Piney Woods of > Alabama" to Texas after the Civil War. He married in Decatur, which is > far Northern Alabama. Is that the "Piney Woods" area? The family came > from Germany to Pennsylvania, NC, SC, GA to AL. > > Thank you > > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My great-grandfather Stough (Stauch) came from "the Piney Woods of Alabama" to Texas after the Civil War. He married in Decatur, which is far Northern Alabama. Is that the "Piney Woods" area? The family came from Germany to Pennsylvania, NC, SC, GA to AL. Thank you

Can't find reference book on colonies allowed by Spanish; but, one was Swedish. Second Swedish vessel turned away. I would like source for Choctaw & Cherokee around Mobile, mother's family. Father's from Florida Creek group, once led by Lonzo Wood; no contact since his and another cousin's death. Believe Cherokee families on both sides migrated through GA from Carolinas, to AL. Regards, Sha Agte

Steve wrote: When you are talking SW Alabama, are you maybe talking about the area around Washington County?? There is some unique German history there. I do not know if it even influence this thread, but it is different from the rest of Southern Alabama. Hi Steve, Washington and Mobile counties, AL were Choctaw as far as my own Indian families are concerned . I know there was a strong French Huguenot influence while this area was under Spanish control in the late 1790's and early 1800's. Most of the surnames that I can recall at this moment were of French origin, but something about a German colony keeps ringing a bell and I just can't remember. Who were some of the families? Regards, Evelyn

When you are talking SW Alabama, are you maybe talking about the area around Washington County?? There is some unique German history there. I do not know if it even influence this thread, but it is different from the rest of Southern Alabama. Steve

Kathy wrote: Certainly there are other situations and reasons for our difficulties in connecting southern and southwest Alabama families with their families further back in time. However, I wasn't surprised to see Sizemores AND Cornells in the Alabama families, after knowing of their relationships in Clay County, KY. Do they call themselves "cousins" in Alabama? Knowing the Cornell relationships in KY and what their early histories are like, might help establish a connection to the Alabama families? Hi Kathy, When I started my own Sizemore research a number of years ago now (picking up what my Mother and a cousin had already done on my Father's family,) I started building folders on all those Sizemores in NC, SC and KY, always dead ends as far as mine in south Alabama. I collected all their Indian lore and watched and listened to all the (sometimes bitter) arguments and downright feuds as to whether they were or were not Indians. I did also take note of the Cornells/Cornetts, Blevins, Bowlings - actually quite a number of the names that appeared in close proximity to our families. We never found any connections, only deadends. We still have no idea where Arthur Sizemore was born. The Sizemore DNA Project has grown to be very large, and a big percentage of those tested have the haplotypes that show their original ancestor was an American Indian, or Indians, name unknown. For the record, to ME they are Sizemores and they are cousins, but we know that a Sizemore was not the original progenitor of their lines. They've been Sizemores since there are records of their existence in those states and that's good enough for me. However, we also know through DNA testing to date that we are not from those lines. Right now our only proven connection is that we share a common surname. You are right, so many questions and so few answers. Regards, Evelyn

This might be a help. Descendants of the Sizemores of Clay County, KY, who came from White Top Laurel Mountain in North Carolina (according to Dr. Yates), applied in large numbers for the Eastern Cherokee payment in 1906 (Guion Miller Roll). They lived in close relationship with the Cornells/Cornetts/Cornutts of the same county. I haven't studied the Cornells but the name is often spelled with the "T's" on the end, instead of the "L's", according to some researchers. (Another family often associated with the Sizemores is the Blevins/Bevins family.) There are many of the Cornells and Cornetts in the Dawes and Guion Miller Rolls. The gaps between the families of the Baldwin County area and their origins further East might have occurred because of several reasons: Please note that I use the words "illegitimacy" and "legitimacy" as terms for conditions where children were born without or before the Christian marriage contract of the couple; or where the couple was married by Indian custom, only. No degradation of the birth condition of these children is implied by me (whose own father was born in such conditions between a white girl and an Indian man who were not allowed to marry). 1. Sometimes, the white and mixed blood men of the Indian trade kept two families; one in the so-called "white" community (often in Virginia or South Carolina) and one in the wilderness (his Indian wife and mixed blood children). This was a fairly common practice in every fur trade endeavor from the farthest reaches of the north to the deep south in the early years of American history. The practice provided the trader ties with the Indian community, resulting in protection in the wilderness as well as a companion and helpmate of the most savvy sort (able to provide companionship, interpretation of languages, shelter and food). 2. Sometimes the mixed blood children resulting from alliances between white or mixed blood men and mixed blood or Indian women were given the name of the woman, according to matrilineal systems in some of the tribes of the southeast; or adopted her name, the father being absent. This might be the situation where Y-DNA tests do not reveal associations with expected male lineage surname groups. 3. Very few of the offspring of the white and Indian alliances were legitimized (or records of such were never kept, or never survived to present day) in the Southeast. I know of one instance (Google "Wayne Hendon - Joshua Suggs" to see an example of a white man legitimizing his illegitimate and, probably, mixed blood children) in the southeast, but there are many instances of legitimizations recorded in the Jesuit records of the Mississippi drainage and the Pacific Northwest. These mixed blood children simply grew up among their people who were also mixed blood and in a similar state of legitimacy, living in a semi-tribal society, often isolated from so-called civilization. For a very good book on this subject among the northern tribes, read Many Tender Ties. Southern and southwest Alabama have, I believe, some similarities to the family groups described in Many Tender Ties. Records of legitimization would provide a much-needed link for researchers today, wouldn't they? On the chance that such were made, always be sure to research the court records of the area(s) where your families lived. Certainly there are other situations and reasons for our difficulties in connecting southern and southwest Alabama families with their families further back in time. However, I wasn't surprised to see Sizemores AND Cornells in the Alabama families, after knowing of their relationships in Clay County, KY. Do they call themselves "cousins" in Alabama? Knowing the Cornell relationships in KY and what their early histories are like, might help establish a connection to the Alabama families? Lost of questions, as usual.......few easy answers. Good luck and good hunting, Kathie ----- Original Message ----- From: Valerie Shines Warmly Pacini To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Cornells Hi folks, Since geneology gets better day by day, I thought I'd ask again if any one has come across my relatives, especially seeing the reference to Davy Cornells, Iffa Tustenegee (Dog Warrior). My ggrandmother was an Ina Cornell, born in Alabama. I have no county, although I am guessing somewhere around Baldwin, etc. since my ggrandfather Edward Owen was born in Georgia. Guessing somewhere around 1860s since grandfather and great aunt were born in the 1880s. Appreciate any links. Mvto. Valerie Shines Warmly vpacini@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <gmwnmd@webtv.net> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Autry > Wow, Evelyn! > > In looking at Lynn Hastie's book, she refers more than once to Henry > Hathaway as Hatterway. Now, Hatterway could easily be misconstrued to > be Autry, especially if one squints one's eye or one's ear ! Especially > if one pronounces it as Hah' -tur-wee ! > > Also, Hastie shows Susan(nah) Stiggins Hathaway as being rescued at Fort > Mims with the Negro girl Lizzie and Elizabeth Randon Tate (daughter of > David Tate and Tura Dyer) by, as you say, Iffa Tustenegee, BUT she > further identifies him as Davy Cornells, aka Dog Warrior, who was young > at that time ! > > What do you think? > > gmw > > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Notes on the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm Early Creek History http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ Migration Legend of the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tustenegee (Tv'stvnvk'ke) means warrior. Tim Timothy ----- Original Message ----- From: <esleslie@bellsouth.net> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Autry > Thanks, Paul. I wondered about that one. > Evelyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "songmaker2" <songmaker2@cox.net> > To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:13 AM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Autry > > >>> Efau Tustunugee, for instance. >>> In one instance the name was interpreted to mean "loud hollerer or >> howler." >> >> If so, the name would be "Yahola". >> Paul Hornsby >> >> >> Notes on the Creek Indians >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm >> >> Early Creek History >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ >> >> Migration Legend of the Creek Indians >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Tim. Evelyn Tim wrote: Tustenegee (Tv'stvnvk'ke) means warrior. Tim Timothy

Thanks, Paul. I wondered about that one. Evelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "songmaker2" <songmaker2@cox.net> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Autry >> Efau Tustunugee, for instance. >> In one instance the name was interpreted to mean "loud hollerer or > howler." > > If so, the name would be "Yahola". > Paul Hornsby > > > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is Dog Warrior the same as Mad Dog Far Off Warrior?? Thisis my ancestor. ----- Original Message ----- From: <esleslie@bellsouth.net> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Autry >I appreciate your input and observations. > > I don't put anything out of the realm of possibility back in that time and > place, especially when it comes to spelling, but the marriage certificate > of Susannah Stiggins and Henry Hataway clearly spells his name Hataway. > > I knew that the Weatherford book identified Susannah's rescuer as Davy > Cornells aka Dog Warrior; however, Davy Cornells' death in 1793 near > Colerain, GA is well recorded in numerous histories. He was carrying a > white flag to talk with some whites intent on killing Indians and they > shot > him. The massacre at Fort Mims occurred in 1813. Actually, I have found > the name of her rescuer spelled many ways - Efau Tustunugee, for instance. > In one instance the name was interpreted to mean "loud hollerer or > howler." > Someone fluent in the language might be able to shed more light on that. > > Evelyn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> Wow, Evelyn! >> >> In looking at Lynn Hastie's book, she refers more than once to Henry >> Hathaway as Hatterway. Now, Hatterway could easily be misconstrued to >> be Autry, especially if one squints one's eye or one's ear ! Especially >> if one pronounces it as Hah' -tur-wee ! >> >> Also, Hastie shows Susan(nah) Stiggins Hathaway as being rescued at Fort >> Mims with the Negro girl Lizzie and Elizabeth Randon Tate (daughter of >> David Tate and Tura Dyer) by, as you say, Iffa Tustenegee, BUT she >> further identifies him as Davy Cornells, aka Dog Warrior, who was young >> at that time ! >> > > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message