What every you would like to send Richard I would be pleased to add to the website. Thanks Judy On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 4:36 AM, <talliyasoutheast@aol.com> wrote: > > Most Native Americans have heard of the Creek Green Corn Festival or in > Mvskoke, Poskita. Several other tribes hold similar ceremonies at the > Summer > Solstice, but their rituals are not as extensive. It was the Creek New > Year's celebration. The Creek Solar Calendar contained 12 months of 30 days > each. There was also a Lunar Calendar, which seems to have gone back to the > days when our ancestors were hunters and gatherers. To adjust the solar > calendar with the actual cycle of the earth around the sun, 5 1/4 days > composed Poskita. The Keepers of the Day monitored the sun, planets and > stars > from mountain top observatories, and set the days for Poskita. It was > time > when engagements were announced, marriages were held and grudges > forgotten. > Old fires in the domestic hearth were extinguished. Happily married > couples > would walk together to the temple, each carrying one thong attached to a > special Poskita pot. The Keepers of the Fire priests would then give them > coals from a new fire, that had been ignited by the sun, using mirrors and > crystals. With these coals, the couple would renew their marriage vows and > rekindle their hearths. > > With the importance of the Summer Solstice, one would expect that > ancestral Creek towns would be oriented to the east or west where the sun > rose on > the Summer Solstice. This in fact, was the case in the first towns with > mounds, that started developing about 2200 years ago. There was temple > mound, > covering two acres, built at a town on the Etowah River in NW Georgia. It > was constructed and occupied during the exact same period that the Pyramid > of the Sun at Teotihuacan, Mexico was constructed and occupied. Both also > faced the point where the sun rose on the Summer Solstice > > The Apalachees were a Muskogean people concentrated in northern Florida, > who practiced a Mesoamerican type religion of multiple gods and goddesses. > Otherwise, their culture and language were probably almost identical to > their > cousins to the north, the Hitchiti provinces, who practiced monotheism > and ritual baptism. Apalachee towns were oriented to the sunrise and > sunset > on the Summer Solstice. This was even true for the Apalachee towns in > western North Carolina and north central Georgia. That's how the > Appalachian > Mountains got their name! Apparently, either the Apalachee were originally > from these mountains, or else founded a colony in the Hiwassee River > Valley to > secure highland resources. > > I came upon a big surprise, however, when I began analyzing the many large > towns that started developing in Georgia, North Carolina and South Carolina > after 900 AD - in the same manner I analyze more recent cities. They were > NOT oriented to the sunrise on the Summer Solstice. Several > archaeologists, who had gone far enough in their studies of archeological > sites, to look > at the whole town plans, had noticed that the buildings were aligned. One > professor from the University of Georgia even pondered in his book, why > the > largest mounds and plaza at Ocmulgee were aligned to a 25.5 degree angle, > southwest. > > Obviously, these archaeologists had not been Boy Scouts! Modern maps are > oriented to magnetic North. The difference between magnetic north and True > (solar) North differs according to a town's location. At Ocmulgee, the > difference is 6.5 degrees. You add 6.5 degrees to 25.5 degrees and you get > 32 > degrees - the declination of the sunrise and sunset on the Winter Solstice. > Most major temple mounds in Georgia built after 900 AD are oriented to the > sunset on the Winter Solstice! Perhaps, this change in town planning was > the result of a change in religious practices. We really don't know, but > the symbolism is that life begins again after the apparent death throws of > the sun. > > Analysis of the locations of the major towns in Georgia, South Carolina, > western North Carolina and eastern Tennessee absolutely astounded me. ALL > of the major towns with large mounds from the Early and Middle Hierarchal > Period, are precisely located on a triangular matrix formed by True North > and > the angle of the Winter Solstice sunset. The principal temple mounds in > these "mother towns" were five sided. The towns are all located on the > points of Winter Solstice triangles. In fact, I have found several mound > sites > that few people or nobody knew about, merely by using a computer to draw > the > triangular matrix over a USGS map of the lower Southeast. Ocmulgee is on > the same latitude line as Poverty Point, LA, which was community begun > 2100 > years BEFORE Ocmulgee, and on the same longitude line as the Great Serpent > Mound in Ohio, which was constructed about 100 years AFTER Ocmulgee was > begun. > > How all this was done . . . I have not a clue. However, this town > planning tradition reaffirms what we Creeks always have known. Just at > the point > in time when it seems that the Darkness has prevailed, the Light triumphs > and begins the cycle of life again. > > I will be happy to email you the drawings I did of the Ladds Mountain > Observatory for Ancient Roots II: The Etowah River Valley - or perhaps Judy > the > web site mom can post them on her separate web site. > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Native American Genealogy http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/ AccessGenealogy http://www.accessgenealogy.com/

-----Original Message----- From: gmwnmd@webtv.net Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:19 AM To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com Cc: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] CREEK-SOUTHEAST Digest, Vol 4, Issue 243 Thank you. "came down the Pacific Coast" from where? Do you mean came TO the Pacific Coast...directly? as in Kon Tiki theory? Notes on the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm Early Creek History http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ Migration Legend of the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Richard, Where can I read more about all things Mayan/Creek? I mentioned this subject at a writer's workshop and received polite disbelief. Regards, Sharon Agte

Thank you. "came down the Pacific Coast" from where? Do you mean came TO the Pacific Coast...directly? as in Kon Tiki theory?

Estanko Brothers and Sisters! I get so tired of those Euro-centric archaeologists and reporters distorting history. Again and again the myth becomes to truth, and it makes it even harder for Native American scholars with integrity to get the truth across. The silver medallion found on the town site on the lower Ocmulgee River only proves that a resident of the town had possession of a Spanish artifact from the late 1500s or early 1600s. It absolutely is not proof that de Soto came through that town. I will tell you why, below. Many such artifacts have also been found in NW Georgia - far more than this site. Here is the facts behind the Fernbank Museum project on the Ocmulgee. It started out four years ago as a search for a briefly occupied Spanish mission at the Forks of the Altamaha to the Timucua - an Arawak speaking tribe associated with NE Florida and the SE tip of Georgia during the 1500s. They were Caribbean peoples, who invaded the region around 1150 AD. After reading the first newspaper article in the AJC, I sent the Fernbank's archaeologist, Dennis Blanton, a package, with copies of Colonial maps. The "Forks of the Altamaha" in Colonial times was where the Ohoopee River joined the Altamaha River. The location was the extreme northern tip of Timucua territory. The Spanish map also showed that a road had been cut from the headwaters of the Satilla River to that location. There were a string of missions and forts along this road. That is exactly how the Spanish developed inland missions. They built roads and then spaced mission stations at equal distances along them. I told them that where they were searching was the homeland of the Tamatli - the Hitchiti speaking Creeks, who used lots of Maya words. The lower Ocmulgee River has ALWAYS been Creek territory. Grannies, our tribe's Principal Chief was born less than a mile from where the Fernbank was digging. I also sent the Fernbank summaries of FIVE Spanish expeditions that went up the Altamaha River in the late 1500s from the Mission Santa Catalina de Guale. The Spanish were trying to convert the Tamatli and Okonee, plus get permission to pass through their territories to reach the gold deposits in northern Georgia. The Tamatli refused passage. Eventually, a small minority of Tamatli converted to Catholicism, were kicked out of the province, and then placed at a mission right on the GA-FL line where the GA welcome station is located. The politics of what is going on, is that the Fernbank solicited many large contributions for their project on the Lower Ocmulgee based on the hopeful discovery of a mission to the Timucua, who never lived on the Ocmulgee. So the press releases about de Soto are a smoke screen to make the donors forget about the original purpose of the excavation. I personally believe that de Soto's Expedition did go through that general area of Georgia. However, what few Spanish artifacts the Fernbank's five summer digs have discovered, merely prove that the Tamatli either traded for the Spanish jewelry with towns closer to the missions, were given the jewelry as gifts of good will from "some" Spanish explorer, or else the stole them during raids on the Spanish coastal missions. We do know that the first expeditions from Santa Catalina to the Tamatli, found peaches and water melons growing there. The Tamatli had obtained the seeds by trade from Wahale villages associated with mission stations. Richard T.

Muskogee People, I found the following website which lists 3 Muskogee language tools. I haven't bought them so I can't say how good they are. Also available are several other Southern Indian languages--Choctaw, Chickasaw, Caddo. www.nativelanguages.com The winter issue of "American Archaeology" has two articles of interest for Southeastern Indian descendants and researchers, I believe. "Evidence of de Soto Found in South Georgia" states that a silver pendant from de Soto's time was found along the lower Ocmulgee River in south central Georgia. It was found in situ in undisturbed deposits at an Indian village site dated to the 1500s. "Prior to the discovery, there was no concrete evidence in Georgia of de Soto's path from the Florida panhandle to NC, and many scholars expected his path to veer farther northwest, toward Macon...This brings a new degree of precision to the de Soto story...because it was at that point that the New World changed, both for natives and for the Spanish." The article "Proof of a Pre-Clovis People?" is about an Oregon cave dig that, in the scientists' data, dates the artifacts to pre-Clovis people, They believe that humans were here several thousand years earlier than the stated Clovis 12,000+ years for human occupation on this continent. "Clovis First" has been the standard timeframe for about 70 years, and been dogmatically followed. "The new dates also suggest that people may not have arrived in North America from Asia by way of the Bering Strait...One possibility is that the first Americans came down the Pacific Coast and then quickly spread across the continent." Just something to read about and think on. Merry Christmas! Carolyn Funderburk On 11/29/09, creek-southeast-request@rootsweb.com <creek-southeast-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Many thanks for Wedding ideas (Barbara) > 2. Re: Sizemore/Bailey (MS - Everett, Kim) > 3. Re: Sizemore/Bailey (Tim Timothy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:29:38 -0600 > From: "Barbara" <barbara@barbarakeel.com> > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Many thanks for Wedding ideas > To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <2261B7C89C0648F5A4684E238B2AA6E9@MoMoPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I just wanted to thank all of you for sending us some great ideas for my > daughter's wedding. She and I are going over the list now. Thanks again. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:03:55 -0600 > From: "MS - Everett, Kim" <keverett@ossdms.org> > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Sizemore/Bailey > To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <F75AFCA555793E45B947512D138A65D5642278@ossdex1.ossdms.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Have any of you any info on either Elise Moniac or Alexandria Sizemore? > These are the names my MIL is trying to research. She gave me the names at > Thanksgiving and said that they were Nannie M. Dunn's grandmothers. I told > her about the discrepancy between the Nancy (Nannie) and Mary.... she said > she was unsure. All of her info showed her listed as Nannie or Nancy. We > can find a Nannie Dunn in the Annex book of the Dawes roll, but according to > Poarch, we need more info on her. Oh, Tim, did you find out anything while > there? > Thanks, > Kim > > ________________________________ > > From: creek-southeast-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of > esleslie@bellsouth.net > Sent: Tue 11/24/2009 7:34 AM > To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Sizemore/Bailey > > > > I have not researched Taylors in depth, so I can't really be of any > additional help on Kim's Taylors and Dunns. I know this is not Tim's line > and I always appreciate his willingness to help others with their research, > but I'd like to get the Sizemore/Bailey thing straight for him: > > George Washington Taylor did marry Mary Matilda Colbert. Mary Matilda > Colbert was the daughter of William Colbert and Celia Sizemore. Celia > Sizemore was the daughter of Arthur Sizemore and Mary "Polly" Bailey. Mary > "Polly" Bailey's father was Richard Bailey, an English trader, and her > mother was Mary, a fullblood Creek of the Wind Clan, in Autosse. We don't > know the name of Mary "Polly" Bailey's Indian father. Mary "Polly" Bailey > Sizemore's siblings were Capt. Dixon Bailey (who commanded the halfblood > regiment at Fort Mims,) James Bailey, Margaret "Peggy" Bailey, and Elizabeth > Fletcher. > > William Sizemore "the Planter" was the son of Mary "Polly" Bailey Sizemore > and Arthur Sizemore. He married Lucretia Moniac. Somewhere along the time > of the Docket payments, the name "William" Arthur Sizemore started appearing > on family sheets of those applying for the payments. I am not saying his > full name was not William Arthur Sizemore, but I will say that it never > appeared on any of the early records where he is always recorded as simply > Arthur Sizemore (except for a couple of Spanish records where it is recorded > Arturo.) > > Regards to all, > Evelyn > > > > Remember Paton married Mary E. Dunn. Payton's daddy was George Washington > Taylor who married Mary Matilda Colbert. I don't have any more on Gorge. > But Mary MATILDA Colbert's daddy was William Colbert and her mother was > Celia Sizemore. No more on William Colbert. Celia Sizemore's daddy was > Arthur Sizemore b. abt 1765 who married Mary Polly Bailey b. abt 1770. No > more on Arthur. Mary Polly Bailey's dad was Richard Bailey and mom was Mary > Polly Durant of the Wind Clan. Mary Polly was first married to Richard or > his name was Dixon Bailey and after his death she married William Sizemore. > I believe Mary Polly Durant was the grand daughter of the Chief of the Wind > Clan....think that is the way the story goes. > > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:28:41 -0500 > From: "Tim Timothy" <gonegolfingsc@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Sizemore/Bailey > To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <7271F869EC604D33B512F9977151259E@TimTimothyPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I was unable to do any ancestor hunting other than covered the Popular > Springs Cemetery again....and found the Timothy....that would be Tom and > Emeline Timothy's home place grounds. Clyde Timothy came from my daddy's > brother, Jesse Timothy. > Tim Timothy > AKA: Fekhv'mke Ya'hv Tv'stvnvk'ke > (Bold Wolf Warrior) Lower Muskogee Creek > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MS - Everett, Kim" <keverett@ossdms.org> > To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 3:03 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Sizemore/Bailey > > >> Have any of you any info on either Elise Moniac or Alexandria Sizemore? >> These are the names my MIL is trying to research. She gave me the names at >> >> Thanksgiving and said that they were Nannie M. Dunn's grandmothers. I told >> >> her about the discrepancy between the Nancy (Nannie) and Mary.... she said >> >> she was unsure. All of her info showed her listed as Nannie or Nancy. We >> can find a Nannie Dunn in the Annex book of the Dawes roll, but according >> to Poarch, we need more info on her. Oh, Tim, did you find out anything >> while there? >> Thanks, >> Kim >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: creek-southeast-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of >> esleslie@bellsouth.net >> Sent: Tue 11/24/2009 7:34 AM >> To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Sizemore/Bailey >> >> >> >> I have not researched Taylors in depth, so I can't really be of any >> additional help on Kim's Taylors and Dunns. I know this is not Tim's line >> >> and I always appreciate his willingness to help others with their >> research, but I'd like to get the Sizemore/Bailey thing straight for him: >> >> George Washington Taylor did marry Mary Matilda Colbert. Mary Matilda >> Colbert was the daughter of William Colbert and Celia Sizemore. Celia >> Sizemore was the daughter of Arthur Sizemore and Mary "Polly" Bailey. >> Mary "Polly" Bailey's father was Richard Bailey, an English trader, and >> her mother was Mary, a fullblood Creek of the Wind Clan, in Autosse. We >> don't know the name of Mary "Polly" Bailey's Indian father. Mary "Polly" >> Bailey Sizemore's siblings were Capt. Dixon Bailey (who commanded the >> halfblood regiment at Fort Mims,) James Bailey, Margaret "Peggy" Bailey, >> and Elizabeth Fletcher. >> >> William Sizemore "the Planter" was the son of Mary "Polly" Bailey Sizemore >> >> and Arthur Sizemore. He married Lucretia Moniac. Somewhere along the >> time of the Docket payments, the name "William" Arthur Sizemore started >> appearing on family sheets of those applying for the payments. I am not >> saying his full name was not William Arthur Sizemore, but I will say that >> it never appeared on any of the early records where he is always recorded >> as simply Arthur Sizemore (except for a couple of Spanish records where it >> >> is recorded Arturo.) >> >> Regards to all, >> Evelyn >> >> >> >> Remember Paton married Mary E. Dunn. Payton's daddy was George Washington >> Taylor who married Mary Matilda Colbert. I don't have any more on Gorge. >> But Mary MATILDA Colbert's daddy was William Colbert and her mother was >> Celia Sizemore. No more on William Colbert. Celia Sizemore's daddy was >> Arthur Sizemore b. abt 1765 who married Mary Polly Bailey b. abt 1770. >> No >> more on Arthur. Mary Polly Bailey's dad was Richard Bailey and mom was >> Mary >> Polly Durant of the Wind Clan. Mary Polly was first married to Richard or >> his name was Dixon Bailey and after his death she married William >> Sizemore. >> I believe Mary Polly Durant was the grand daughter of the Chief of the >> Wind >> Clan....think that is the way the story goes. >> >> Notes on the Creek Indians >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm >> >> Early Creek History >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ >> >> Migration Legend of the Creek Indians >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> Notes on the Creek Indians >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm >> >> Early Creek History >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ >> >> Migration Legend of the Creek Indians >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CREEK-SOUTHEAST list administrator, send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CREEK-SOUTHEAST mailing list, send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CREEK-SOUTHEAST Digest, Vol 4, Issue 243 > *********************************************** >

Hi William, I do not know any of this info., but my Mother In Law is Willie Gray Taylor Everett. She goes by "Penny," she has also been trying to find out some information. Her daddy was James Terry Taylor. She is trying to find out about Nannie Dunn. Would any of y'all know anything about her? Thanks, Kim Everett -----Original Message----- From: creek-southeast-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:creek-southeast-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of WILLIAM E TAYLOR Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:45 PM To: Creek-Southeast@rootsweb.com Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] [CREEK-SOUTHEAST Mary Matilda Colbert Mary Matilda Colbert, born 7/1/1832 in Monroe County, Alabama & died between 1920-1935(?) in Jeddo, Monroe County, Alabama is my g-grandmother. She was daughter of William David Colbert and Cilia "Cealy" Sizemore.  Her husband, my g-grandfather was George Washington Taylor, born Monroe County, Alabama and Died 7/18/1864 either in the Civil War battle of Chattanooga or as a result of injuries received in that battle. I have 2 questions of there is anyone out there who can help: 1.) Does anyone know where George Washington Taylor might be buried?  I have a Taylor cousin who has researched this       for years and has still not found the answer.. 2.) Also, does anyone know where Mary Matilda Colbert is buried in Monroe County? My Taylor cousin remembers seeing      a reference to her burial place on line several years ago and that her grave was marked with a wooden headstone that he      understands has burned since then. He does not remember where he found that info on line. If anyone has any information or any ideas, I would very much like to hear from you.  Also, anyone kin to me sees this, I would also like to hear from you! Thanks, Blessings and Best Wishes to everyone to a safe, blessed Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! William T. Notes on the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm Early Creek History http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ Migration Legend of the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary Matilda Colbert, born 7/1/1832 in Monroe County, Alabama & died between 1920-1935(?) in Jeddo, Monroe County, Alabama is my g-grandmother. She was daughter of William David Colbert and Cilia "Cealy" Sizemore.  Her husband, my g-grandfather was George Washington Taylor, born Monroe County, Alabama and Died 7/18/1864 either in the Civil War battle of Chattanooga or as a result of injuries received in that battle. I have 2 questions of there is anyone out there who can help: 1.) Does anyone know where George Washington Taylor might be buried?  I have a Taylor cousin who has researched this       for years and has still not found the answer.. 2.) Also, does anyone know where Mary Matilda Colbert is buried in Monroe County? My Taylor cousin remembers seeing      a reference to her burial place on line several years ago and that her grave was marked with a wooden headstone that he      understands has burned since then. He does not remember where he found that info on line. If anyone has any information or any ideas, I would very much like to hear from you.  Also, anyone kin to me sees this, I would also like to hear from you! Thanks, Blessings and Best Wishes to everyone to a safe, blessed Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! William T.

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bunniemccosar Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/3039.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Creek indian researcher: Sullivans: There is a Joe Sullivan listed on old list, was living in Thlobthlocco town with Goliah Herrod. - last mention of him. Other Sullivans: ?? born about 1820 and dau. was Sindoche/ Cinda born about 1844; another Charlie Sullivan born about 1837-->Sallie, Betty; another George born about 1643 w/ 4 wives -->Mary, Rany, Dicey, Fanny, Louisa, Ellen, Mayiyar, Mary Ann; Jimmy Sullivan born about 1845--> Sulphur; a Lucy 1837 married a Sullivan and later Sam Brown; a Stephen Sullivan 1800 --> Susan; and William Sullivan 1851; and Willie Sullivan 1851; Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

It is Alexander, my MIL was mistaken! Thanks, Kim -----Original Message----- From: creek-southeast-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:creek-southeast-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gmwnmd@webtv.net Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:33 PM To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com Cc: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Sizemore/Bailey from Hastie's Weatherford book: William Dixon Moniac, "also known as Jacob", was a Hollander who had entered the nation in 1756 with a band of Natchez Indians. He had a daughter, Hannah Moniac, by a very very young Sehoy III, b. ca 1759, who had lived with him following the death of her father, Tuckabatchee Chief Eagle Wing. Hannah married Josiah Francis "The Prophet". He had a daughter with __?__ named Elise Moniac, who married Alexander McGillivray, b. 1750 son of Sehoy II and Lachlan McGillivray. He married Mary "Polly" Colbert, "full-blooded Tuskegee", dau. of Chief William Colbert of the Chickasaw Nation. Their daughter Mary "Polly" Moniac was the first wife of William "Chief Red Eagle" Weatherford. Their son, Creek Chief Sam Moniac, married Elizabeth Weatherford, sister of his closest friend, Red Eagle. William and Polly Moniac's other two children were John and Nahoga. John was father of Red Eagle's second wife, Sofath Kaney Moniac. Nahoga married John "Jack" Ward. No Alexandria Sizemore shown in this book's Index. There is an Alexander. Hopefully Evelyn can help you with her. gmw Notes on the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm Early Creek History http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ Migration Legend of the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

from Hastie's Weatherford book: William Dixon Moniac, "also known as Jacob", was a Hollander who had entered the nation in 1756 with a band of Natchez Indians. He had a daughter, Hannah Moniac, by a very very young Sehoy III, b. ca 1759, who had lived with him following the death of her father, Tuckabatchee Chief Eagle Wing. Hannah married Josiah Francis "The Prophet". He had a daughter with __?__ named Elise Moniac, who married Alexander McGillivray, b. 1750 son of Sehoy II and Lachlan McGillivray. He married Mary "Polly" Colbert, "full-blooded Tuskegee", dau. of Chief William Colbert of the Chickasaw Nation. Their daughter Mary "Polly" Moniac was the first wife of William "Chief Red Eagle" Weatherford. Their son, Creek Chief Sam Moniac, married Elizabeth Weatherford, sister of his closest friend, Red Eagle. William and Polly Moniac's other two children were John and Nahoga. John was father of Red Eagle's second wife, Sofath Kaney Moniac. Nahoga married John "Jack" Ward. No Alexandria Sizemore shown in this book's Index. There is an Alexander. Hopefully Evelyn can help you with her. gmw

I was unable to do any ancestor hunting other than covered the Popular Springs Cemetery again....and found the Timothy....that would be Tom and Emeline Timothy's home place grounds. Clyde Timothy came from my daddy's brother, Jesse Timothy. Tim Timothy AKA: Fekhv'mke Ya'hv Tv'stvnvk'ke (Bold Wolf Warrior) Lower Muskogee Creek ----- Original Message ----- From: "MS - Everett, Kim" <keverett@ossdms.org> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Sizemore/Bailey > Have any of you any info on either Elise Moniac or Alexandria Sizemore? > These are the names my MIL is trying to research. She gave me the names at > Thanksgiving and said that they were Nannie M. Dunn's grandmothers. I told > her about the discrepancy between the Nancy (Nannie) and Mary.... she said > she was unsure. All of her info showed her listed as Nannie or Nancy. We > can find a Nannie Dunn in the Annex book of the Dawes roll, but according > to Poarch, we need more info on her. Oh, Tim, did you find out anything > while there? > Thanks, > Kim > > ________________________________ > > From: creek-southeast-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of > esleslie@bellsouth.net > Sent: Tue 11/24/2009 7:34 AM > To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Sizemore/Bailey > > > > I have not researched Taylors in depth, so I can't really be of any > additional help on Kim's Taylors and Dunns. I know this is not Tim's line > and I always appreciate his willingness to help others with their > research, but I'd like to get the Sizemore/Bailey thing straight for him: > > George Washington Taylor did marry Mary Matilda Colbert. Mary Matilda > Colbert was the daughter of William Colbert and Celia Sizemore. Celia > Sizemore was the daughter of Arthur Sizemore and Mary "Polly" Bailey. > Mary "Polly" Bailey's father was Richard Bailey, an English trader, and > her mother was Mary, a fullblood Creek of the Wind Clan, in Autosse. We > don't know the name of Mary "Polly" Bailey's Indian father. Mary "Polly" > Bailey Sizemore's siblings were Capt. Dixon Bailey (who commanded the > halfblood regiment at Fort Mims,) James Bailey, Margaret "Peggy" Bailey, > and Elizabeth Fletcher. > > William Sizemore "the Planter" was the son of Mary "Polly" Bailey Sizemore > and Arthur Sizemore. He married Lucretia Moniac. Somewhere along the > time of the Docket payments, the name "William" Arthur Sizemore started > appearing on family sheets of those applying for the payments. I am not > saying his full name was not William Arthur Sizemore, but I will say that > it never appeared on any of the early records where he is always recorded > as simply Arthur Sizemore (except for a couple of Spanish records where it > is recorded Arturo.) > > Regards to all, > Evelyn > > > > Remember Paton married Mary E. Dunn. Payton's daddy was George Washington > Taylor who married Mary Matilda Colbert. I don't have any more on Gorge. > But Mary MATILDA Colbert's daddy was William Colbert and her mother was > Celia Sizemore. No more on William Colbert. Celia Sizemore's daddy was > Arthur Sizemore b. abt 1765 who married Mary Polly Bailey b. abt 1770. > No > more on Arthur. Mary Polly Bailey's dad was Richard Bailey and mom was > Mary > Polly Durant of the Wind Clan. Mary Polly was first married to Richard or > his name was Dixon Bailey and after his death she married William > Sizemore. > I believe Mary Polly Durant was the grand daughter of the Chief of the > Wind > Clan....think that is the way the story goes. > > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have any of you any info on either Elise Moniac or Alexandria Sizemore? These are the names my MIL is trying to research. She gave me the names at Thanksgiving and said that they were Nannie M. Dunn's grandmothers. I told her about the discrepancy between the Nancy (Nannie) and Mary.... she said she was unsure. All of her info showed her listed as Nannie or Nancy. We can find a Nannie Dunn in the Annex book of the Dawes roll, but according to Poarch, we need more info on her. Oh, Tim, did you find out anything while there? Thanks, Kim ________________________________ From: creek-southeast-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of esleslie@bellsouth.net Sent: Tue 11/24/2009 7:34 AM To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Sizemore/Bailey I have not researched Taylors in depth, so I can't really be of any additional help on Kim's Taylors and Dunns. I know this is not Tim's line and I always appreciate his willingness to help others with their research, but I'd like to get the Sizemore/Bailey thing straight for him: George Washington Taylor did marry Mary Matilda Colbert. Mary Matilda Colbert was the daughter of William Colbert and Celia Sizemore. Celia Sizemore was the daughter of Arthur Sizemore and Mary "Polly" Bailey. Mary "Polly" Bailey's father was Richard Bailey, an English trader, and her mother was Mary, a fullblood Creek of the Wind Clan, in Autosse. We don't know the name of Mary "Polly" Bailey's Indian father. Mary "Polly" Bailey Sizemore's siblings were Capt. Dixon Bailey (who commanded the halfblood regiment at Fort Mims,) James Bailey, Margaret "Peggy" Bailey, and Elizabeth Fletcher. William Sizemore "the Planter" was the son of Mary "Polly" Bailey Sizemore and Arthur Sizemore. He married Lucretia Moniac. Somewhere along the time of the Docket payments, the name "William" Arthur Sizemore started appearing on family sheets of those applying for the payments. I am not saying his full name was not William Arthur Sizemore, but I will say that it never appeared on any of the early records where he is always recorded as simply Arthur Sizemore (except for a couple of Spanish records where it is recorded Arturo.) Regards to all, Evelyn Remember Paton married Mary E. Dunn. Payton's daddy was George Washington Taylor who married Mary Matilda Colbert. I don't have any more on Gorge. But Mary MATILDA Colbert's daddy was William Colbert and her mother was Celia Sizemore. No more on William Colbert. Celia Sizemore's daddy was Arthur Sizemore b. abt 1765 who married Mary Polly Bailey b. abt 1770. No more on Arthur. Mary Polly Bailey's dad was Richard Bailey and mom was Mary Polly Durant of the Wind Clan. Mary Polly was first married to Richard or his name was Dixon Bailey and after his death she married William Sizemore. I believe Mary Polly Durant was the grand daughter of the Chief of the Wind Clan....think that is the way the story goes. Notes on the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm Early Creek History http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ Migration Legend of the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just wanted to thank all of you for sending us some great ideas for my daughter's wedding. She and I are going over the list now. Thanks again.

To honor the traditions in a small way, instead of rice, have the guests throw flat cedar bits, it is extending a blessing in a small way.  Have a Creek holy person perform the ceremony or have one or the other or both wear traditional regalia. Most of all honor mother earth and that will continue the blessings thorugh all of time. Taske Harjo

I have a special request to ask of any or all of you. My daughter is getting married next summer and she asked me to have something special that links her to her NA heritage, a blessing, a small additional ceremony, anything that would make her day special for her then and in remembrance of her grandmothers and gr grandmothers. Do any of you have ideas?

Thanks to all! We don't have much, I shared with Tim what little I had found. My mother in law is on the roll at Poarch, but she is trying to get the rest of the family on. They will only could her as 1/4. Her dad was James Terry Taylor. Poarch told her she would have to find evidence that his mother had Creek in her. My mother in law said that she was always told she did, but we don't know where else to look. I copied everything that y'all told me and I'm going to give it to her. Tim, did you get on this last go around up there? Kim ________________________________ From: creek-southeast-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Tim Timothy Sent: Tue 11/24/2009 7:53 AM To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Sizemore/Bailey Thanks Evelyn....I believe you over what I have and will make note of it. It's sincerely appreciated. TT ----- Original Message ----- From: <esleslie@bellsouth.net> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:34 AM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Sizemore/Bailey >I have not researched Taylors in depth, so I can't really be of any >additional help on Kim's Taylors and Dunns. I know this is not Tim's line >and I always appreciate his willingness to help others with their research, >but I'd like to get the Sizemore/Bailey thing straight for him: > > George Washington Taylor did marry Mary Matilda Colbert. Mary Matilda > Colbert was the daughter of William Colbert and Celia Sizemore. Celia > Sizemore was the daughter of Arthur Sizemore and Mary "Polly" Bailey. > Mary "Polly" Bailey's father was Richard Bailey, an English trader, and > her mother was Mary, a fullblood Creek of the Wind Clan, in Autosse. We > don't know the name of Mary "Polly" Bailey's Indian father. Mary "Polly" > Bailey Sizemore's siblings were Capt. Dixon Bailey (who commanded the > halfblood regiment at Fort Mims,) James Bailey, Margaret "Peggy" Bailey, > and Elizabeth Fletcher. > > William Sizemore "the Planter" was the son of Mary "Polly" Bailey Sizemore > and Arthur Sizemore. He married Lucretia Moniac. Somewhere along the > time of the Docket payments, the name "William" Arthur Sizemore started > appearing on family sheets of those applying for the payments. I am not > saying his full name was not William Arthur Sizemore, but I will say that > it never appeared on any of the early records where he is always recorded > as simply Arthur Sizemore (except for a couple of Spanish records where it > is recorded Arturo.) > > Regards to all, > Evelyn > > > > Remember Paton married Mary E. Dunn. Payton's daddy was George Washington > Taylor who married Mary Matilda Colbert. I don't have any more on Gorge. > But Mary MATILDA Colbert's daddy was William Colbert and her mother was > Celia Sizemore. No more on William Colbert. Celia Sizemore's daddy was > Arthur Sizemore b. abt 1765 who married Mary Polly Bailey b. abt 1770. > No > more on Arthur. Mary Polly Bailey's dad was Richard Bailey and mom was > Mary > Polly Durant of the Wind Clan. Mary Polly was first married to Richard or > his name was Dixon Bailey and after his death she married William > Sizemore. > I believe Mary Polly Durant was the grand daughter of the Chief of the > Wind > Clan....think that is the way the story goes. > > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Notes on the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm Early Creek History http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ Migration Legend of the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message