Your story is very typical Phil. the souls of especially righteous Creeks will become guardian angels for their descendants. Medicine women and Keepers are often chosen this way. Have a blessed day. Richard T.

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Today I went to a family reunion and was talking about our past (and passed) relatives. When I mentioned my g grandmother, Paraline Parmer, one of the older cousins said, "Oh, the Creek Indian woman...". I was speechless for a few moments but then picked her brain for everything she could remember, which turned out to be very little except that Paraline was indeed Creek (not a princess, BTW) and was from Randolph Co. Alabama. She married my g grandfather, William Thomas Whitley and had a houseload of kids. After all these years I have been writing about the Creek Indians and wishing I could claim at least some blood ties, I think I may have found some. The search is on!!! MVTO Phil Whitley

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Stephendockery Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/1282.1.1.2.2.3.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mr. Steve, I am confused with all this info. So far the book of my family that has been put together has info on it about our blood lines. Instead of my line descending from James B. Ward it goes from his "brother" Elijah...HOWEVER to step back a little, John Ward III it says married Creek Nancy Knight (Nahoga monaic?) and then James, Elijah, etc...I know this is not much to ride off of, I was wondering if you are still up to date on this website because I am replying to a old message...Thank you Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Stephendockery Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/1282.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.5.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Oh, thank you. That is cool information. I didnt know that either. I just recently met a cousin I never met, that is where the names came from. They have a bunch of info to that I didnt know about. There's just so much out there. This part of the family didnt really pay to much mind to it that much so I guess alot of things weren't sought after and my grandfather passed away when I was young. So I guess it's time from me to start from here. Thank you again... Te Bendiga, Stephen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vlbaggott Surnames: WARD Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/3049.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In case you haven't seen this census record: Title page and the page with Nahoga Ward at the bottom of the list. Vickey P.S. Looks like I didn't dump everything after all. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vlbaggott Surnames: Ward, Moniac, Knight, English Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/1282.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.5.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm sorry but I don't recognize any of the names you mentioned. I'm registered with the "Creek Nation East of the Mississippi" currently headquartered in Oklahoma. Thanks for the name of the tribe Elizabeth English is said to come from. In exchange, I'll give you a few bits of information about researching Nahoga Moniac / Nancy Knight. 1) There are original source documents that show that Nahoga Moniac WAS fathered by William Dixon Moniac, a Dutch fur-trapper, and a Creek maiden named Polly Colbert (her baptismal name, NOT her Indian one). 2) Following the Creek Indian Wars, the Indian territory (GA, FL, AL) was divided up between the evangelical dominations. The Methodists claimed Alabama as their "mission field". As their traveling preachers made converts among the Indian tribes, they baptized the new believers and gave each a new "Christian" name. Some of the Indians went by their new names and some stayed with their original names. 3) No church record has yet been discovered that tells when Nahoga Moniac (documented as a real person) morphed into Nancy Knight (if, in fact, she ever did). Be advised that those roving Methodist preachers were meticulous record-keepers and reports of their work among the various Indian tribes were sent back to their headquarters on a regular basis. That's all the help I can offer you. Good luck in your search for your family origins. Vickey Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Stephendockery Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/1282.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.5.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Ok, your from the one part of the family that wasn't really in depth on then...The only thing we have about that is that John Ward III married a creek maiden by the name of Nancy Knight (Nahoga) and had 9 children. James Benjamin Ward being one who is mentioned in there that he married Elizabeth English Ward of the Harjo-Boggas parrot band of creek. That's all it says really and that info came from a cousin named Dr. Andrew Boggs Ramsey who is or was a council member on the eastern tribe of Creek indians...I have been through pins and needles trying to get in contact with him or a son...but it has been hard. For my line in the Ward family is John Ward and Nancy Knight--Elijah Ward and Sarah Cochran--William Marion Ward and Katie Campell--William Peter Ward and Clairsey Ann Bolton--Farriew Ward and Lizzie Harvard--William "Howard" Ward and Irene Ward--Mary Anne, my mom, then us. Our info that was gathered concentrates on that line...Do you know Ottis or Lois Ward?? Or how about a young lady by the name of Angel Ward? And would you by any chance know anything about Dr. Andrew Boggs Ramsey? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vlbaggott Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/1282.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.5.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am from James B Ward & Elizabeth English WARD --> Thomas Jefferson & Holland Purvis WARD --> William Madison & Hester Ann Helen WARD --> Vesta Vitano WARD & Frederick Hiram BAGGOTT --> my Dad --> Me. I have U.S. Census records for James B WARD from 1860 all the way back to 1800 as a 4-year-old in the home of his parents, Nathan F & Elizabeth WARD in Spartanburg County, South Carolina. Both the 1850 and 1860 U.S. Censuses state that James was born in South Carolina. So, my question remains . . . What "church records", "last wills and testaments", "family Bible records", "birth, marriage, and/or death records", or any _other_ "official documents" are in your "family book" (or in your or some other family member's possesion) that PROVE a _different_ parentage for James B WARD? I, too, know who my WARD family was, however, MY family lineage is based upon the aforementioned legal documents (and YES, "church records" and "family Bible records" ARE considered LEGAL DOCUMENTS in a U.S. court of law) as well as, military service records, Bureau of Land Office records, and Bureau of Indian Affairs records held by the National Archives & Records Administration (NARA). I know that James B & Elizabeth WARD had the following grandsons: William Josiah, William Madison, William Jasper, and William Dennis. No William Howard, though. Who was your great-grandfather? Family FABLES are seldom family FACTS. For example, my maternal grandmother always referred to her grandfather as "Colonel" and told me that he was with General Robert Edward Lee at Appomattox Court House. Those were my family FABLES, however, after perusing NARA's digitized Civil War records through FootNote.com, I discovered that my great-great-grandfather never rose above the rank of 2nd Lieutenant AND, just last week, I found his "Parole of Prisoners ... surrendered by Gen. Robert E. Lee, CSA, to Lt. Gen. U.S. Grant ... done at Appomattox Court House, Vriginia, April 9, 1865." So, careful research of original source documents corrected one family fable and confirmed another. All I seek is confirmation. Thank you. Vickey Baggott Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Swing down through Whigham GA and stop to visit at TAMA Town....the Lower Muskogee Creek. If you decide to do this, let me know when you will do it and near the hour you would be there and I will make sure someone will expect you to come into the office. You can ask all kinds of questions. TT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Hendrix" <thenewbugs@woh.rr.com> To: <CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 12:32 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Alabama-Cusseta > Hi Everyone, > > For spring break we are driving from Atlanta Ga down to Destin Fl. I > would like to visit some of the creek tribal areas such as Cusseta and > Eufula. Any suggestions/recommendations of where else to visit would be > really appreciated. > > Thanks > > Carole > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do you know of a list that contains the names? ----- Original Message ----- From: <songmaker2@cox.net> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Spring Break visits > ------ > Ft. Mitchell, Al. has a park with the Eternal Flame. Has all of the > adult Indian men's names carved in stone, that were shipped out > from there in the 1830's. Also, a reconstruction of the fort. > Paul Hornsby > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

------ Ft. Mitchell, Al. has a park with the Eternal Flame. Has all of the adult Indian men's names carved in stone, that were shipped out from there in the 1830's. Also, a reconstruction of the fort. Paul Hornsby

The Tama Tribal Town is located at 107 Lone Pine Drive Whigham, GA - that is just outside Cairo, GA The Perdido Bay Tribe manages a large ecological preserve near Pensacola, FL that contains a very nice cultural heritage museum which is open to the public. Contact information is at _www.perdidobaytribe.org_ (http://www.perdidobaytribe.org) I don't think that the Eufaula Star Clan has a museum facility, but someone on this message board may want to correct me. I believe that the Machis Creeks have a cultural center as part of their church. Machis Lower Creek Indian Tribe 708 South John St New Brockton, AL 36351 334-894-1122 That's in deep SE Alabama. Richard T. of NC

Is this your Mollie? http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1241&iid=M1186_1-0372&fn=Mollie&ln=Yahola&st=r&ssrc=&pid=21408 EagleLittle This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ananboulder urnames: Yahola, Walker, Dunson lassification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/465.3.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am searching for Mollie /Maley Yahola 1870 #5217. She is listed in your ixico's. This name is listed on my grandmother's death certificate. Her father s listed as George Walker. Do you have any info on Mollie? -----Original Message----- From: creek-southeast-request@rootsweb.com To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, Mar 25, 2010 3:01 am Subject: CREEK-SOUTHEAST Digest, Vol 5, Issue 36 Today's Topics: 1. Re: trying to find my family/cornell connection... (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 ate: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 02:44:51 -0000 rom: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> ubject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] trying to find my family/cornell connection... o: <CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> essage-ID: <1269485009.994602@rootsweb.com> ontent-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ananboulder urnames: Yahola, Walker, Dunson lassification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/465.3.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am searching for Mollie /Maley Yahola 1870 #5217. She is listed in your ixico's. This name is listed on my grandmother's death certificate. Her father s listed as George Walker. Do you have any info on Mollie? Important Note: he author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like o reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond n the board. ------------------------------ To contact the CREEK-SOUTHEAST list administrator, send an email to REEK-SOUTHEAST-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the CREEK-SOUTHEAST mailing list, send an email to REEK-SOUTHEAST@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com ith the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of he mail with no additional text. nd of CREEK-SOUTHEAST Digest, Vol 5, Issue 36 *********************************************

Hi Everyone, For spring break we are driving from Atlanta Ga down to Destin Fl. I would like to visit some of the creek tribal areas such as Cusseta and Eufula. Any suggestions/recommendations of where else to visit would be really appreciated. Thanks Carole

-----Original Message----- From: Sehoy Daughter-of-the-Wind Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 12:51 AM To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com Subject: BUTLER I am researching the lineage of Jesse BUTLER who married into the SE Creek. Sehoy, daughter of the wind -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the beginning, the Muscogee people were born out of the earth itself. They crawled up out of the ground through a hole like ants. In those days, they lived in a far western land beside tan mountains that reached the sky. They called the mountains the back- bone of the earth. Then a thick fog de- scended upon the earth, sent by the Master of Breath, Esaki- taummesee. The Muscogee people could not see. They wandered around blindly, calling out to one another in fear. They drifted apart and became lost. The whole peo- ple were separated into small groups, and these groups stayed close to one another in fear of being entirely alone. Finally, the Master had mercy on them. From the east- ern edge of the world, where the sun rises, he began to blow away the fog. He blew and blew until the fog was complete- ly gone. The people were joyful and sang a hymn of thanksgiving to the Master of Breath. And in each of the groups, the people turned to one another and swore eternal brotherhood. They said that from then on these groups would be like large families. The members of each group would be as close to each other as brother and sister, father and son. The group that was farthest east and first to see the sun, praised the wind that had blown the fog away. They called themselves the Wind Family, or Wind Clan. As the fog moved away from the other groups, they, too, gave themselves names. Each group chose the name of the first animal it saw. So they became the Bear, Deer, Alligator, Raccoon, and Bird Clans. However, the Wind Clan was always considered the first clan and the aristo- cracy of all the clans. The Master- of-Breath spoke to them: "You are the beginning of each one of your fami- lies and clans. Live up to your name. Never eat of your own clan, for it is your brother. You must never marry into your own clan. This will destroy your clan if you do. When an Indian brave marries, he must al- ways move with his wife to her clan. There he must live and raise his family. The children will become members of their mother's clan. Follow these ways and the Muskhogeans will always be a powerful force. When you forget, your clans will die as people."

I lost email from someone asking about her possible Creek relatives buried at St. John Cemetery in Bonifay, FL. Her last email asked about Malinda Ella Fere Anderson Dean. She is my grandmother. I attempted to answer, but mail was through Ancestry.com; to which I don't belong. Somehow I lost this query. I think this woman might have ancestors who were Weeks, registered Florida Creeks. Regards

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bunniemccosar Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/465.3.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yahola, Neha 1826 son of Okchiye Fixico married (1) Sallie ___ #4906 (2) Elissy ___ #5329 (3) Sucohokey 1851 (4) Nettie ___ #5366 (5)Sukwa Negee 1862 Children: 1. Polhoya/Pollie 1850 #5141 married Tuskehecha Yahola 1845 2. Lindo/Linda 1853 #4906 married Ispokoke Harjo 1856 3. Hepsey 1854 #4144 married Hotulke Fixico 1854 4. Semartie 1855--1901 #5379 5. Turpos HARJO 1852 6. Wilson BEAVER 1859 7. Maley Yahola 1870 #5217 8. Aggie Yahola 1870 9. Wiley Yahola 1871 #7847 married Addie Samoche 1874 --> Minnie 1904. 10. Annie 1872 11. Anna 1875 12. Lilla HARJO 1880 13. Dora 1881 14. Tyler 1882--1900 #5528 married Sampson Anderson 1877 ** note: In the old days, the Creek Indian males could have as many wives as they could afford or as many as his first wife would allow him to have. With each wife, the less the first wife had to work as the new wives had to do the harder labor. Mainly because during the war of 1813--14 approximately 75% of the Creek Indian warriors were killed, - another war about 1836 killed more males so there after Creek Indian males were not abundant. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bunniemccosar Surnames: Island, Walker, Coodey, Logan, Sullivan, Dunson, Grayson, Herrod, Walker, Cook, Williams, Harjo, Berryhill, Fixico, Canard Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/465.3.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Had a little problem with Mollie / Maley as to who her father is. In checking George W. Walker, the 1899 (Dawes)rolls do not give a Mollie / Maley Walker. Children were born about 2 years apart and there is a space for Molly in his given Line: Walker, George W. 1856--1900 #4694 Stidham/ Wetumka area married (1) Susan Island (Ireland) 1842 #3407 (Susan may have been Susan Herrod who married Henry Island)(2) Mollie ___ 1855 #1689 - children: 1. Edward H. Walker 1862 #3407 married Eula Coodey 1874 -->Mary 1899. 2. Mary Walker 1866 #3411 married(his 2nd wife) Samuel Logan 1855 --> Bessie Logan 1887 #3412. 3. Liza Walker 1877--1899 #9926 4. Kizzie Walker 1878 #1689 married (1) William Sullivan 1877 (2) Lewis Dunson 1882. 5. Millie Walker 1880 was with George during a census 6. Ellen Walker 1882--1904 #4695 married Thomas H. Dunson 1878. 7. Billie Walker 1884 w/#1069 married Minnie Grayson?? 1875 8. William Walker 1889--1900 #4696 9. Eddie Walker 1890 #4693 10. Susan Walker 1891 #4697 Island, Susan Herrod? 1842 first husband Henry Island #3048 --> Lena 1873, Boney 1872, Mildred 1879, Susan 1883, John 1884. Kizzie Walker and Lewis Dunson 1882 #2037 children: 1. Hettie Dunson 1905 married ___ Cook 2. Ben Dunson 1907 3. Joe Dunson 1910 4. Molly Dunson 1914 5. Ella Dunson 1918 6. Edna Dunson 1920 married ___ Williams 1917 7. Norris Dunson 1924 Lewis Dunson was the son of Joseph Dunson 1862 #1547? married(her 3rd husband) Hokosy Harjo Berryhill Dunson 1858. Hokosy was the daughter of Chelokee Harjo Dunson, Joseph family: 1. Hettie 1876 #6000 married John L. Alexander 1877 2. Thomas 1878 #1547 married Ellen Walker -->Mille Dunson #nb539. 3. Lewis 1882 #2037 4. Lucy 1884--1909 5. Jemima 1887--1906 #2039 6. Mattie 1890 1931 #2040 married (1) ___ Fixico 1887 (2) ___ Canard 1887. 7. Alice 1893--1900 #2041 The Molly / Maley Yahola born 1870 #5217 is listed as the daughter of Neha Yahola. Maley is listed as the 5th wife of Cosar Fixico: Fixico, Cosar(Ceasar)1830--1910 #5216 Holdenville area married (1) Katie ___ 184 #5490 (2) Wisey ___ 1852 #4815 (3) Fannie ___ 1861 (4) Paygee / Peggie ___ 1864 #5218 (5) Maley Yahola 1870 #5217 Children: (w1)1. Bunnie McCosar (my grandfather for whom I am named after) born 1862. 2. Mary McCosar 1864 married ?? Joe Tulsa 3. Martha McCosar 1868 4. Rhoda McCosar 1869 5. Mack McCosar 1870 #5490 married Sissie Anderson --> Lillie #5492 stpson= Willie Washington & Waite Washington, Sis-in-law= Lizzie Lowe, ward= Minnie Anderson. (w2)6. John DAVIS 1872 married Polly Harjo --> Turner Davis 1892, Jack Davis 1894, Peggie Davis 1897, Lizzie Davis 1898. 7. baby 1878 8. Hettie / Mattie 1881--1910 9.(w4)Amon / Amos McCosar 1884 10. (w5)Nupsey McCosar 1897 Bunnie McCosar(son of Cosar Fixico) Holdenville married (1) Betty Watty #7119 (2) Nellie Wallow 1870 (3) Martha Anderson 1878. Children: 1. Rev. Elliot McCosar 1888 2. Katie McCopsar 1888 3. Eliza McCosar1890 4. Ida McCosar 1892 5. Bessie McCosar ... Billy Palmer 6. Arthur McCosar 1902 7. Alice McCosar 1906 ... Nathan Buck 8. Soloman McCosar 1905 9 Matthew McCosar 1917 (my father)...Nellie Cornell 10. James / Rev. Jimmy McCosar 1914...Vivian McCombs Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.