This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jewelbholstad Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/1215.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: glass family name is connected to the sivley family name an they were indian an lived in the chickma area Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: SherylLee49 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/56.153.487.575.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am also related to Elsberry Kent. Can you share what you have to sheryl30290@numail.org Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: donalddykes31 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/225.536/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Kelly-I'M donald dykes a friend to Bobbi Buffington-Regarding Kowaliga- Lake Martin Here in Alexander City, Al.has many many names about Chief Kowliga, and one of them is a resort of sorts,it is a big deal here in alex.City.-We have Kowaliga Beach ,Kowaliga Resturant , also there was a large statue outside the resturant and some thieves used a large truck and winched it upon the boldy and hauled it off.It has never been found. There is lots more history about him but not enough paper to write it here. Your Friend Don Dykes. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LewisLipsSinkShips Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/2989.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you so much for all of this information. The more I learn the less I know. I do have several new books that were written in the 1800's on the Nations. I also have a map of the Virginia Kentucky area that places where the tribes lived here. I spoke to someone in Texas that helped teach me how to do my homework. If I find something I will post. I am looking for McKay/McCoy in the VA/KY/NC area. Again, thanks again for such good information. I was thinking Mingo, which was a mix of left over tribes (see Wikipedia) since Chief Logan lived in what is now Mingo County, WV with the town Logan with a memorial to him. I will read my Native American books and see what I can find. Thanks again. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bobbibuffington Surnames: Harrells, Avant,Harp,Thomas,Alford. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/543.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Bobby, I picked up your information, and am related some-way to the Greenberry Harrell, and Seaborn born 1818 in Upson County, Ga. Do you have a Clue when Thomas Jefferson died and where, I am looking for the parents of James Harrell, of with B/D of 1808 in Ga.This James is my 2nd Great-Grandfather. He was married in Upson County 1838, and I found his Grandparents Hardy & Barbaray Harrell, first in Jefferson County, Ga. Then they all moved into Upson County Ga, Where Barbaray named him as her Grandson, in her Will of Aprox, 1835, She named him as one of her Administrators also along with Augustus Hodges of Jefferson County, Ga. Would appreciate any information you may have on this part of Harrells Family. Sincerely, B.J.Bridges Marietta, Ga. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: peeweejack Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/75.77.188/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Where were your Williams from and when? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: murlh1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/75.77.187.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you so much, it will be appreciated. Murl Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: annclawsoncoke Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/3069/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi my name is Ann from Ar.My mother was born in lake village La. She was a Lee ,Ponder.her mother was Maddie b Lee and Teel from al Her mother was Meadows, Oliver.from Al.I found My ggrandfather Teel on the dawes rolls.My question is my ggrandmother meadows she look like she could be from american indian family We have a paper that was signed by someone in the family i do not know who that she was indian but she dose not show up on the dawes rolls?If you have any info please let me know.Oh and on one of the ces she is reported as black? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LindaCalhoun48 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/75.77.187.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: No but there is a Book: The Fraziers, and The Atwells. If I run across them though I will let you know. Linda Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Estanko Richard......recently I had a perfect DNA match in all numbers to a Creek Nation Member who's daddy was half Hispanic and half Yuchi. Their line goes back to Timothy Barnard and believed to be through Timpoochee Barnard, Chief of the Yuchi. Do you have any referrals that I can learn more about them than the usual stuff on the internet. I know your stuff is from the Native prospective and that is what I would like to learn from, if possible. My grand daddy was raised as an orphan and we still can't find out where he came from....maybe this DNA and the Yuchi is a clue to follow. (In case you were wondering, this grand daddy of mine was born in 1854) Mvto TT ----- Original Message ----- From: <TalliyaSoutheast@aol.com> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 2:12 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Caution when translating modern Creek names > > Estanko brothers and sisters! > > One thing I want to warn you about. Creeks in Oklahoma now often go by > the English spelling or pronunciation of Hitchiti or Mvskoke names. Very > often, if you look up the current spelling in a Creek dictionary, you > will > get the wrong translation. People on the websites shoot information back > and > forth to each other, so that an inaccurate translation is accepted as > "fact." > > A Muskogean "k" often was written by the English and Cherokees as a "g." > A Muskogean P became a "b" even though there is no B in Mvskoke. A > Muskogean "t" is often written as a d by English, Spanish and Cherokee > speakers. > P and V sounds are also often confused by English speakers. Thus, the > Vehiti (Bow & arrow people in Hitchiti) were recorded as Vehidi by the > Spanish and PeeDee by the English. > > The best I can tell, until the 1700s, the majority of Creeks spoke > dialects of Hitchiti. Mvskoke was chosen as the trade language of the > Creek > Confederacy in the early 1700s, because so many Hitchiti speakers had been > lost > to disease, warfare or slave raids. Thus the Kowi-te of the Highlands > (Mountain Lion People in Hitchiti) became the Kowitv (Kowitaw branch of > the > Creek Confederacy.) The Kowitaw soon were speaking a dialect that mixed > Mvskoke and Hitchiti. However, neither Kowi or te have the same meaning > in > Mvskoke. > > Have a blessed day! > > Richard T. > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: debrahardin55 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/3068.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My records are as follows #1 Tate d. 1779 Georgia #2 Moniac d. 1787 Pass Christian #3 Weatherford d. 1799 Alabama Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wallwiz Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/225.535.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Kowaliga or its variants was a place name. It could be used in a personal name to indicate a persons residence or origin, generally in the form of an earned title. Kowaliga Micco, Kowaliga Yaholo, or Kowaliga Tustenuggee are examples. It basically mean "Quail Place" Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wallwiz Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/502.554.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Big Shoals was also known as Wetumpka if my memory serves me correctly. It's about 20 mi N of Montgomery Al on the Coosa R. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wallwiz Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/714.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It's totally dependant upon whether the name was Upper Creek (Muscogee) or Lower Creek (Hitchiti, Mickasuki,or Yuchi). The languages were about similar as Spanish and Portugese. I can't recognize it by the way it's spelled. A lot of these names were recorded by people who couldn't properly equate the sounds into English. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wallwiz Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/521.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hahjo is about as close as you can get. It was a war title given for acts of courage. It's closest English equivilant would be "zealous" or "courageous" or "one who acts with great zeal or courage". It's often translated as "crazy" or "mad" which are incorrect. The closest term for "fearless" is "fexico" which means "heartless" (from fexe "heart", and iko "no, or not". As Mary stated, there is no "r" in Muscogee. The letter was used by Moravian misionaries who first translated and transcribed the language to represent the THL or HL sound, the closest equivilant being in the English word aTHLete. The muscogee word for fish is thlathlo (spelled rvro by the Moravians). Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Estanko brothers and sisters! One thing I want to warn you about. Creeks in Oklahoma now often go by the English spelling or pronunciation of Hitchiti or Mvskoke names. Very often, if you look up the current spelling in a Creek dictionary, you will get the wrong translation. People on the websites shoot information back and forth to each other, so that an inaccurate translation is accepted as "fact." A Muskogean "k" often was written by the English and Cherokees as a "g." A Muskogean P became a "b" even though there is no B in Mvskoke. A Muskogean "t" is often written as a d by English, Spanish and Cherokee speakers. P and V sounds are also often confused by English speakers. Thus, the Vehiti (Bow & arrow people in Hitchiti) were recorded as Vehidi by the Spanish and PeeDee by the English. The best I can tell, until the 1700s, the majority of Creeks spoke dialects of Hitchiti. Mvskoke was chosen as the trade language of the Creek Confederacy in the early 1700s, because so many Hitchiti speakers had been lost to disease, warfare or slave raids. Thus the Kowi-te of the Highlands (Mountain Lion People in Hitchiti) became the Kowitv (Kowitaw branch of the Creek Confederacy.) The Kowitaw soon were speaking a dialect that mixed Mvskoke and Hitchiti. However, neither Kowi or te have the same meaning in Mvskoke. Have a blessed day! Richard T.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: murlh1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/75.77.187.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Do you have a Joseph Neil Frazier, B 9-19-1872,,,D.12-1-1931. Married (8-25-1904) to Susan Walker, B.9--1879,,D 10-30-1909, Thank you so much. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LindaCalhoun48 Surnames: Waite,White,Smith,Cannon,Powell, Atwell, Frazier, Griffin, and more. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/75.591/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Tree site is under maintenance it says, but I will give you my email address. Please put in the subject line Creek Families. Melvin and Calvin McGhee tried despartly to get my Grandmother to sign docket 21. She was really traditional and did'nt even have a S.S. no. When she passed we had to get all of her documents and she was borne at home. I begged her to sign up needless to say I got a mouth Thrashing. After Melvin left she said to me don't you ever ever tell you are of Indian Blood NEVER! Email is: cherokeeladyfox@cox.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LindaCalhoun48 Surnames: Waite,White,Smith,Cannon,Powell, Atwell, Frazier, Griffin, and more. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/75.590/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Tree site is under maintenance it says, but I will give you my email address. Please put in the subject line Creek Families. Melvin and Calvin McGhee tried despartly to get my Grandmother to sign docket 21. She was really traditional and did'nt even have a S.S. no. When she passed we had to get all of her documents and she was borne at home. I begged her to sign up needless to say I got a mouth Thrashing. After Melvin left she said to me don't you ever ever tell you are of Indian Blood NEVER! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LindaCalhoun48 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/75.87.682.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Just click on LindaCalhoun48 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.