This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5R.2ADI/778.1.1 Message Board Post: Don't know what you have already. If you need census card information: http://userdb.rootsweb.com/nativeamerican/ Enter your name and nation if known. Hope this helps. Preston

Scottish names can be subject to some widely varying spellings You might look into the history & genealogy of the William G. Mackey family in Wilkinson County, Georgia. The story, part of which was put down as "legend" in a Wilkinson County history book, is that Mackey was an Indian trader at Old Oconee Town who stayed on after the frontier passed through the area. I'm pretty sure that Old Oconee Town and the sites of Ft. Wilkinson, Ft. Fidus, Rock Landing, etc., all ended up in Baldwin County... but literally not much more than a stone's throw from the boundary with Wilkinson County. Mackey's wife is known to history such as it is, as "Hoppoi Miccoy". I can make no sense of that... Hopoie Micco was a Creek chief. Presumably there was some familial relationship between Hopoie Micco and Mackey's wife... but you are dealing with cross-cultural exchange of information there, which is murky to say the very least... and in the past almost two centuries a lot more effort has probably gone into trying to ignore and forget the facts than to remember and preserve them. The bits and snippets that I have don't make much of a coherent picture, nor do I have any clear, documented evidence for the earliest 3 generations... but their daughter Nancy Mackey was supposedly one of my 3-great grandmothers. The place to look for information on this family, is Wilkinson County, Georgia. This William G. Mackey was supposedly from Virginia. A lot of what now passes as documented fact, though, is nothing but scattered random fragments of information. I'm going to paste part of something I copied some time back from some e-mail or web source that I failed to document properly. It's not an answer, but a question. But I think that the nature of some of the specifics mentioned in it may very enlightening as to the nature of the kinds of problems that you are facing. This could very well be a mention of the same William Mackey... or not! <G> If you ever figure anything out... please let me know. <G> Richard White Tallahassee, Florida > Thomas MACKEY PA-NC-GA ca 1800 > > Posted by Kevin White > <kevinjwhite@yahoo.com> on Wed, 07 Jul 1999 > > Surname: MACKEY > > Any one with any information on this family group: > > In the cemetery of Old Hebron Presbyterian Church near Commerce, GA is > a marker to the memory of Samuel Mackie > 1761-Dec. 5 , 1845 and a marker for Thomas McKie. > The stone for Thomas McKie reads: > "Died ca. 1797, Father of JOHN McKIE, WILLIAM McKIE, SAMUEL McKIE, > RACHEL BREXEY STRICKLAND, > MARTHA FLEMING, MARY HEMPHILL, ROSANNAH TEMPLETON , A Revolutionary > War Patriot from Burke Co., > NC to Elbert Co, Ga., Erected in 1973." > > Information taken from Walter Scott McCleskey's 1997 version of The > McCleskey Family in Georgia. (Thanks to Bob Harwell). > > Previous researchers have said that three Mackey (McKie, McKey) > brothers immigrated around 1751, first settling in Chester Co PA, then > moving to SC about 1767, before > moving to Burke Co (now McDowell Co NC) about the start of the > Revolution. These NC Mackeys are all believed to be descendants of > John or Thomas Mackey, two of the > immigrant brothers. Thomas was said to have died in "SC". I wonder if > this might be the same Thomas. > > Anyone have any information on Thomas or his family? > > Thanks. Randall Baker wrote: >I am interested in knowing of any Creek families with >some connection to the Campbell, Beason or >McKie(McKee, McKay) families. All of these families >lived in Alabama prior to 1840. >These were the family lines on my maternal >grandmother's side of the family and it has always >been accepted in my family that my grandmother had >Native American ancestry. My grandmother didn't really >know much about her family, though, so we never knew >any kind of details. >Given the geographic location of her ancestors, I've >decided to see if there was possibly a Creek >connection. >Any help would be much appreciated. > >Thanks, >Randall Baker >

Hello Everyone, This is my first posting to the list and I'm hoping someone out there can be of some assistance. I'm looking for records of some sort regarding the Creek heritage of my great grandmother Pearl May Gregory b. March 30, 1886 IT Oklahoma m. Oscar Clark Mendenhall. We have recently heard that her mother Alabama McCoy was Creek. Alabama was born November 12, 1853, Creek nation Alabama and died February 1901, Featherston, Pittsburg Co., IT Oklahoma. Does anyone have anything on this family? Thank you, Wanda VanderVeen wvander@bellsouth.net

Where were these Colvins from? Several Colvin women married Johnson and Haven descendants of my 2-great grandmother Martha Ann Welch. I'm not certain, but believe that these Welches had Native American ancestry. The places that I am aware of these particular Colvins living are in Thomas County, Georgia, in the 1830-1860 time frame; and later in Madison and Calhoun counties, Florida... but a whole bunch of Johnsons married a whole bunch of Welches in Georgia and mostly ended up in Louisiana and Mississippi... and maybe Texas. Richard White Tallahassee, Florida LUJAH7@hotmail.com wrote: >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Surnames: COLVIN,BOUTWELL,CARNLEY,PERRY >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/969 > >Message Board Post: > >I have posted to this list previously,but am giving it another try. > >Looking for additional information on the following surnames: >Colvin,Boutwell,Carnley,Perry. > >Specificly:Henry Colvin/Abegale Sizemore,their child Matilda Savannah Colvin..also now researching the possibility of Creek ancestry in the Perry line. Any information will be welcomed. Sandi >

I am interested in knowing of any Creek families with some connection to the Campbell, Beason or McKie(McKee, McKay) families. All of these families lived in Alabama prior to 1840. These were the family lines on my maternal grandmother's side of the family and it has always been accepted in my family that my grandmother had Native American ancestry. My grandmother didn't really know much about her family, though, so we never knew any kind of details. Given the geographic location of her ancestors, I've decided to see if there was possibly a Creek connection. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Randall Baker __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Merritt, Lins, Whitner, Sewall and many others Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5R.2ADI/974 Message Board Post: I am looking for the information on my g-g-g-grandmother who was 1/2 Creek Indian. Her name is Mary Merritt-b.25 Jan 1855 and died on 26 Apr 1924 in Mobile, AL- buried in New Hope Cemetary. She married John Lins and is found in Mobile on the 1880's census. The family believes the Merritts were from Mississippi. John Lins was from Prussia and served in the Civil War. Any help with the Merritt side appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Merritt Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5R.2ADI/778.1 Message Board Post: How do you look up someone on the Dawes Rolls?

This is mailed to about eight lists. To all, Please accept this letter as a bit of protection for the future of our Genealogy. This letter is not to be crude but to give you a bit of information that may save someones life. If someone finds this not necessary to send to a Gen list, Please jump me to my e-mail address and not to a list. I can take your gripes and will just apologize and hope that you may never need this swimming tip which may save yours or family members life while swimming in the Gulf of Mexico. Ouch, That closing hurts doesn't it? Facts from this weekend This past weekend, The lives of 6 people were lost due to the undercurrents or better known as "RIP TIDES" found in the Gulf of Mexico. These drownings occured from Panama City, Fla to Pensacola, Fla. Pleae read on the net about the Undercurrent and write our beach Chamber of commerce or the Panama City beach Police Dept for excellent material about the "RIP TIDES" They are very anxious to tell all about the danger of the tides and what causes these. This is not a regular tide that EBBS and FLOWS one or two times a day. For your safety, I will not explain how this Rip Tide forms. It is best for you to obtain the approved information and go from there. I have pulled a husband and wife from the Gulf when the Rip Tide swept them about 40 feet off shore in a matter of seconds. These two people sit on the beach for a long time crying about their almost drowning. They were extremely tired from fighting the undercurrent. The wife was sinking and I got under her and pushed myself to the surface as fast as I could and sorta threw her almost out of the current. And then swam to the husband who had only his face out of the water. he was going under and the fast current would have swept him further out and he would have drowned. The beaches have flags of warnings out and one should obey the flag warnings and stay out of the water. There are patrols on most of the beaches but they can't be everywhere so its up to you to stay out of the water when these flags are on display. Please read this closely and get more information about this dangerous fast moving water. Water weighs 8.35 pounds per gallon. 1 cube of water is heavier than your car. If you do come to our area, Panama City Beach Fla, Call me and I will help you get all the informaton about this "RIP TIDE" available and will be more than happy to go to the beach and show you where these start stary and why. Hope I didn't get to rough explaining this but I feel it may open someones eyes and may save their life. Closing; If this letter saves lives, Your future families can do "GENEALOGY"of you and future additions to your family and ofcourse YOU. Right on Hermie! I have very special friend on one of thee lists that use our beaches with her Husband and two wonderful almost grown children and the first thing I preach to her is WATCH THE FLAGS. Bet she is tired of that. I am not tired of warning her tho. AM I right KIM? CAll 850-785-2583 and ask for myself Bob (Hermie) HAVE A GREAT GEN HUNT I sure do and have found two more cousins from my Sur name of Self. What a great feeling. And they are really great and good lookers. Both women ofcourse. :~) Ole Bob (Hermie) in Fla ,

Has anyone ever run across any Creek Indians with the Ellis surname? Here's who I am looking for Hetty Ellis, Phleffein Ellis, "Effy" Ellis, "Heathey" Ellison, "Behethelan", "Kitty" Birth: abt. 1840 in SC Death: unknown Father: Richard Ellis, b. in SC Mother: Sarah Unknown, b. in SC Siblings: Eliza Ellis, b. abt 1843 Phleffein may have been called Effy, Heathey, Hetty, Behethelan, or Kitty, and was from Edgefield, SC. * Phleffein Ellis is listed as the wife of Dock Blackstone on James Coleman Blackstone's death certificate. * Hetty Ellis is listed as the wife of Zephaniah "Dock" Blackstone on their Marriage License in Richmond County, GA on October 14, 1856. * Hetty Ellis is listed on the 1850 Census for Edgefield County, SC as 11 years old and born in SC. According to this census data, she was born in SC. Her father was Richard Ellis (age 50, born in SC), a shoe maker. Her mother Sarah (age 35, born in SC), and her sister Eliza (age 7, born in SC) were living in the same household. * "Effy" is listed as the wife of Dock Blackstone in the 1860 census of Richmond County, GA. It shows that her first born child, Josephine was born in GA. * Behethelan Blackstone is listed as the wife of Zephaniah Blackstone in the 1880 Census of Richmond County, GA * Ellis is big time Indian name for the Pee Dees (state recognized, the Chief's anc. came /were in, Edgefield co. A head of management of a govt. site is on the Lumbee Rolls, they have a lot of Ellis families. * Heathey Ellison is listed as the mother of William Z. Blackstone (James Coleman Blackstone's Brother?) on William Z's death certificate. Any Help would be appreciated. More Ellis information on my website at www.jimblackstone.com Thanks, Jim Blackstone jim38@charter.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/150.156.538.2.1 Message Board Post: My grandmother was Jane Sizemore from Ky, I have heard my Grandfather was Felix but I'm not sure

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/968.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks Lance. I'm all over the site, daily. Great site. Wanting connection with decendants to fill in gaps.Thanks again. Preston

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5R.2ADI/150.156.538.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Renae I am related to you. I can't believe I have found a nother cousin. I am a 6th cousin of Russel Brock. My 6th uncle is Aaron Chief Redbird brock. He was married to my 6th aunt Rhoda sizemore and she is George all Sizemore daughter. George all is my 6th Grandpaw on my dads side of the family. My family is full of John Sizemore's . I have many James sizemore's in my family. My ggrandpaw is James Sizemore and his dad was James sizemore too. My dad is also a James sizemore. My dad' s father was felix sizemore. Felix Sizemore is the son of James Sizemore jr. and James Sizemore jr is the son of James Sizemore Sr. James sizemore sr. is the son of Harman Sizemore and Harman Sizemore is the son of James Sizemore that was married to a fields. Please write me at my e-mail on what you need for me. How can I talk to you on the phone? I have so much I can share you about our family. Cousin Frances Crawford

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/968.1 Message Board Post: Freefind search of "sells" at Creek Indian Researcher site: http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=36266510&pid=r&mode=ALL&n=0&query=sells

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Perry Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/969.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi, I believe that we did. I am just beginning to research the Perry line. My father was born in Butler County,Ala...his father was C.L. Perry, There are several reasons that I decided to look at this. I also keep running into the Perryman/Perry name among the Creek,also in Mulungeon records...some things that I recall also make me interested. I have nohting but names at this pont..if you find anything,please let me know. I will do the same. Sandi

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sizemore, Bailey, Stiggins, and connecting families Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/969.1 Message Board Post: Sandi, I think we corresponded before re: Colvin/Abigail SIZEMORE but found no connection to our SIZEMORE line. I am curious about your PERRY surname because this name crops up in our Creek ancestors as a given name and in the will of William Perry JORDAN naming heir William SIZEMORE, Jr. in 1840-41, Baldwin Co., AL. Would really appreciate hearing from you about your PERRY information. Thanks, Evelyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: COLVIN,BOUTWELL,CARNLEY,PERRY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/969 Message Board Post: I have posted to this list previously,but am giving it another try. Looking for additional information on the following surnames: Colvin,Boutwell,Carnley,Perry. Specificly:Henry Colvin/Abegale Sizemore,their child Matilda Savannah Colvin..also now researching the possibility of Creek ancestry in the Perry line. Any information will be welcomed. Sandi

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: YAHOLA, DAVIS, BLAND Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5R.2ADI/792.1.2 Message Board Post: Donna- Could you check in your records to see if you have anything on Arlie Sue Yahola who married William Terrell Davis in Creek Nation, I. T., around 1866. They were my GG grandparents and died in Tulsa, Creek Nation, I. T. (now Oklahoma) ca 1900. I am at a total loss as to her parentage. Thanks - Linda in Ft. Gibson, OK

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Campbell, Yohola, Yoholo Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5R.2ADI/792.1.1 Message Board Post: Donna I descend from this line also and would be interested in corresponding with you. My connection is through their son Elijah.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/41.155.265.1.1.1 Message Board Post: All I know is that Annie was Native American and married Luther Schwalbach. They lived after marriage in Hocking Co. Ohio

Richard, e-mail me @ ronmullis@communicomm.com. My 4 Ggrandmother was Hopie Mackey. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard White" <rw@pone.com> To: <CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Creek Indians with Aldridge names > I can't help you with the specifics, but I've been puzzling at some of > the same kinds of questions for awhile now... In following one of my > lines, I am pretty sure that there was Creek... a Mackey marrying some > female relation of Hopoie Micco... one of the resulting branches from > female children were ETHridges in Wilkinson County, and they passed > down the Hopoie Micco name in their line of the family. Another branch > were Ridleys. Some of them are also accounted as Creek descendants, but > which ones is unclear and disputed... apparently, in my opinion, > according to whether or not particular descendants want to consider > themselves Creek. There are facts in dispute, and I don't think anyone > has rock-solid answers. My 2-great grandmother was a Ridley so far as I > can determine (I have found no absolute proof of that yet... just a > marriage record that appears to be her and my 2-great grandfather... but > there would seem to be some possibility that there were other folks out > there then who we don't know about now, who had the same names). It > seems that less is known about her Mackey/Ridley ancestry than some of > the rest, as there were marriages of multiple siblings between the two > families involved. Her husband, also, was an unknown as to ancestry. > Some folks with his surname were part Indian, usually Cherokee, but I > can make no definite tie from him to anyone, much less them. I just > know that he was born at an odd time in an odd place... Florida in 1821 > or slightly before: Spanish Florida. My great grandmother who was the > Ridley woman's daughter first married a man of a family well known to be > mixed, but apparently the mixture went in every possible way and what > all was included in specific cases is not necessarily clear at all. It > is considered that the line in question began with a slave in Virginia > about 1690... but in 1690 many slaves were INDIANS!!! It wasn't till > after the Yamassee Indians almost destroyed the Colony of South Carolina > during their uprising in 1715-1716, that the South Carolina government > finally clamped down on the predatory enslavement of Indians that had > been organized and operated out of Charles Towne for quite some time. > This man's ancestors had been Colonial officials, including an Indian > Agent and a marshall... so it would seem more likely that his mixture > was only Indian, but I can't really say for sure and don't think anyone > could. Various things are involved so far as I can see... One is that > under the law there was little to no distinction between a person who > was part African and a person who was part Indian, though the practical > application of the law might not have been the same towards each... > especially between about 1820 and 1880 or thereabouts where there was a > constantly increasing polarization in things racial going on. But while > on one hand a strong appearance of mixture might result in a person > appearing in records as a "mulatto", a plainly observable but lesser > mixture seems to have generally been overlooked... or at least that's > the way I understand it. That first husband of my great grandmother > died in NY in 1864 as a Confederate prisoner in a Union POW camp. But > in looking at the records of one of his brothers and several of my great > grandmothers' brothers in the Confederate Army it appears to me that > they held a sort of anomalous position, not quite exactly either fish > nor fowl. All were private soldiers in volunteer units... but they > tended to be given secondary roles not common to all soldiers... that is > to say, one of my great grandmother's brothers was detailed for > independent duty as a wagoner. One of her husband's brothers was an > artificer in an artillery unit. An artificer was a highly skilled > blacksmith... not just a farrrior... that is a blacksmith who primarily > shoed horses. Artificers had broader and more general skills... so in > his case there was a set of skills involved, but still... there were > those entries in his enlistment record: complexion - dark, eyes - black > (or often gray, for guys who I think were mixed Indian... but in this > case, black), hair - black. As to the wagoner... It is a famous thing > about the Confederate Army that most of its wagoners were Black. But > they weren't all. I had an uncle who was a driver in Patton's Red Ball > Express in W.W.II. Most of the Red Ball Express drivers were Blacks in > segregated units... but not all were, and my uncle was one of those > exceptions. I never *saw* my great grandmother's brother and I have no > idea what he *looked* like... so I can't say for sure. But I have seen > a tintype of my great grandmother's daughter by her first marriage and > to me she looks both part Indian and part Black. BUT she had at least > one blonde headed grandchild... because I've seen his photo, too... and > my grandfather, a child of my great grandmother's third marriage... so > far as I know his father was White and when I was a kid I had no idea > that my grandfather looked a bit peculiar... or that my dad looked a lot > like him. It took finding this trail of inuendoes for it all to click > as to why my dad had a big hawk's nose, a grayish skin tone, and very > little body hair. A fact that he hid from the whole world including me, > till, literally, the day he died... was that on about half of his face > in spots where beard should have grown... he had no beard. He always > told me that it was too "scrufty" to let his beard grow out. He never > admitted to anyone that it just plain about half wasn't there. > > So... my suggestion to you is that you may already know more than a lot > of folks in your shoes. Knowing more would be nice, but it may not be > possible. The "system" by which matters of mixed race were recorded in > those times just doesn't offer much substance for us to extract clear > understanding today. Also, the whole subject of White/Indian and > Black/Indian mixtures was apparently largely suppressed by virtually all > concerned. I think that mixed-race folks were pretty common, but most > folks tried to hide it if they had it... and not to see it very plainly > even if they didn't. There were some well known cases of public > figures... but for the rest, the average folks... they had a kind of > anonymnity that included not having to write these things down on pieces > of paper. In fact, so long as it happened in Indian Country, until > Benjamin Hawkins and a few others started writing down a few scattered > bits about it, most of this kind of thing went on in a situation where > there were virtually no records of any kind. > > We cannot manufacture records of these events 200 or more years later. > > RW > > susanaldridge2000@yahoo.de wrote: > > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > >Surnames: Aldridge Newkirk > >Classification: Query > > > >Message Board URL: > > > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/967 > > > >Message Board Post: > > > >I wondered if you might have run across might have run across (supposedly Creek or half Creek) Sallie Mae Aldridge b. SC or her son Robert Aldridge born SC ca. 1890 who came to Ga between 1890 and 1910 who may be the one who suddenly appeared in Al after 1920. He told his daughter he had many sisters and brothers, including a Frank (Aldridge?). Or he may really be of a family from Muskogee Co, near Columbus, GA.which I cannot find.. > > > >I am doing a family tree for my children and have come across the possibility that they have black cousins, or even black heritage. Definitely Indian heritage. > > > >Below is my info. I have 2 births for Robert Lee Aldridge Oct 5 , 1890 from his daughter and SSN- and Nov. 12 1892 on his gravestone in Bessemer, AL. It is coincidental that last week I had published a partial list of slaves from the wills of the SC and AL Hardys on Gen Forum in case black SC and AL Hardys were looking for their relatives. Now I myself am looking for answers on another branch of the family who may have been slaves. > > > >I thought it would be so easy to connect with the right line of Aldridges and from there so much research has been done that it would be a piece of cake. > > > >Not so. I have just come across a 1910 census in GA -Camden Co. Thompkins Dist. (on the GA coast) Robert Aldridge supposedly came from Columbus, GA on the AL border to AL around or before 1920. I say supposedly because he kept his life a secret I think, so whatever he said is unreliable. Anyway here is the story and any help would be appreciated. Some grandchildren heard he shot somebody in the middle of the night and left. Some grandchildren say he deserted 13 children when he left. No one knows the truth. Some grandchildren say he changed the spelling of Aldridge from another spelling. My deceased husband heard the Aldridges ran to the NC mountains in the Civil War to escape the fighting. > > > >Lorene his daughter claims to know part of the story which I will incorporate below. > > > >I would like to say that I am not an Aldridge by birth, but my children are. I will also say that although the Aldridges were desperately poor and beset by tragedy, they were the handsomest, tallest group of people I have ever seen and all musically talented and tops in sports. My mother thinks they must, somewhere in their genes, have a very distinguished family. > > > >I have a lot of difficulty with the Aldridges - in finding documentation -except a few AL ssn s. These Aldridges seem to have threatened to shoot every census-taker in GA and AL and ILL where they worked in the mines. After interviewing one of his last surviving children and getting a possible birth date for him, I still had nothing, despite hours of searching in data banks----till today. Lorene Aldridge had told me her father Robert Aldridge looked Indian in that he was darker skinned and black hair, but blue eyes. He told her he had a half Indian or Indian mother called Sallie Mae (no record of marriage). He never said anything about his father-no name, no description. > > > >Lorene also told me that he told Lorene that he left 2 children behind in the care of a relative after a wife Phoebe had supposedly died. Lorene Aldridge Freeman also said he came from Columbus,Ga. which is Muskogee Co.- but I find nothing. > > > >But it could be that I was only looking for "white" families, because today I hit the jackpot when I changed my tactics---- and have finally found a Robert with the correct birth year which Lorene swears by for Robert in Ga. -1890. Only the Co. is wrong. > > > >In the 1910 GA census, Robert Aldridge is 20 years old living with his brother in Camden Co., Thompkins district-Militia 32. Robert is listed as head of house and his older "brother" is delegated to 2nd place, even though the brother is older. Robert's brother has another name -Henry Newkirk - and is "married " (although there is no woman listed) and is listed as "black." The whole page of the census is black people. Robert Aldridge is listed mixed race and is one of only two of a hundred people in front and behind who is anything but "B" for black. > > > >Well to be living away from his father makes sense because Robert claimed he hated his father for allegedly beating him bloody all his life, so if it is true ,he must have left home as soon as possible, and to the other side of the state at that. > > > >Have you ever heard of the term "crossing over?" Mulattos or mixed race people used it when they look white enough to change their identities and start over somewhere else where no one knows them. I ask myself this question for 4 reasons. > > > >1) Lorene said her father never took them to visit his relations. > >2) Lorene said a man across the hallway in a hospital where her brother Seaborn was recovering in Birmingham sent a note thru the nurse saying - "What ever happened to Robert Aldridge from Georgia?" and she was told not to talk to him and they did not reply to the note. > >3) There were some Aldridges who working in the same Bakery in Birmingham as Robert's daughter Lorene- and she was told not to associate with them and Lorene could not understand why. > >4) when Robert Aldridge supposedly went back to GA ONE time ( years later ) to try to find out what ever happened to his own flesh and blood he had left behind in GA. , he said he came no more than 20 miles from the parents place and would go no further. He asked an old acquaintance Seabourn Callatt about them but no one knew anything and he went back to AL without seeing his parents which he had never seen since leaving all those years before, and Robert never saw again in his lifetime. > > > >What do you folks think? Maybe in order to "cross over" and disassociate from his black relatives, he wanted to cut all ties and make a better life for himself, which is every man's right, or was he just afraid of the police? > > > >A possible scenario as follows which I have constructed from the information in the 1910 census. > > > >Robert Aldridge's father is born in NC around the time of the Civil War. His father has a son by a black or black/Indian woman called Newkirk in NC in 1888. He is called Henry Newkirk and looks black enough to be listed as lack in the 1910 census > > > >Robert's father moves across the order to SC where his mate Newkirk dies. He takes up with an Indian woman called Sallie Mae and has Robert Lee Aldridge by Sallie Mae in Oct. 1890 in SC, and this SC birth is what was told to the census taker. Robert Lee Aldridge looks mixed race, blue eyes. > > > >The family supposed then moves to GA. (Maybe it was only Henry newkirk and Robert. who moved to GA.) Between 1900 and 1910 Robert Aldridge moves out of his family house in GA. and moves in with brother Henry who meantime married. They find work in Camden Co. Henry in a store. Robert -odd jobs. In 1910 they are living together in the Camden Co. Ga. census in a black neighborhood. > > > >Phoebe part Creek Indian or Creek Indian marries somebody and has a daughter before 1910. Between 1910 and 1920 Phoebe Creek Indian "marries" again to Robert Aldridge . Since Robert's own mother is Indian, this is natural for him. They have Jessie and Aline before 1920. Phoebe Creek Indian Aldridge supposedly dies -before 1920. > >Robert Aldridge gets a girl pregnant in Muskogee Co. The police in Columbus GA tell him to cross the river to Alabama and don't come back. > > > >Robert Aldridge leaves the 2 children in care of his step daughter part Indian (or his black brother's kin?), "meandering" (Lorene Aldridge) to Ragland, AL (where , by the way, there are also Arledges- he does not mention them ) never to see them again. Robert Aldridge marries Cora Mewbourn in Ragland, AL in 1921 (at the home of her uncle John Layton who is a preacher). > > > > He talks about a Frank and other forgotten names to his daughter Lorene. He never sees his family ( who ever they are) again. Is it possible that he has crossed out of the Indian (and black) community in Ga. into white Alabama? Do you know who this Robert Aldridge in 1910 could have been? > > > > I have to find out who Robert Aldridge's father of is. Is he Mulatto who has a blue eyed parent? Is he white and the Robert's blue eyes come from him? Is he black and the blue eyes come thru Sallie Mae his half Indian mother who had a blue eyed father? Was his name Aldridge? Or was Sallie Mae an Aldridge? > > > >That is the latest in my search....anybody have any advise on researching this? > >susan aldridge > > > > > >==== CREEK-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > >To unsubscribe, send to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L-request@rootsweb.com the one word, UNSUBSCRIBE, in the BODY of the message. If you are subscribed to the digest, send your unsubscrbe message to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > >