Melody; I don't have any help for you but the mention of "black dutch" brought a smile. My mothers side are cherokee (tslagi) and my grandmother insisted that she was "black dutch" to her dying day even though her grandfather came to IT during the "Trail of Tears". Are you sure they were Creek? My ancestors that were Chereokee were Chicamauga and came from NC through TN and then to IT in about 1834. Some went back to Arkansas for awhile before being pushed back to IT in the late 1830 and early 1840's. Most of the Creeks came from Georgia and Alabama. My dad was Creek (don't really know which group) but they were removed from the Jasper County, Georgia in 1824 (I always get a chuckle when I read about the first "white" child being born in the area about 1815). I was just looking at a photo of his grandfather (my g grandfather) taken about 1875. I am proud of his (our) heritage. They picked up the name Cranford somewhere along the way. My best guess is that they used the name of a trader. My 90 year female old cousin said that all of the women got together and allowed a white man to marry into the clan and that he was a trader. Anyway that is the way the story goes. Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melody (Little Wolf)" <little_wolf_melody@yahoo.com> To: <CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Re: CREEK-SOUTHEAST-Black surname > > Hi, > > I am searching my Grandfathers side...I don't have much to go by...My > Grandfathers name was Richard Black...his fathers name was Walter Black > who married Idaho Thomas...now my uncle tells me we are Creek...but back > in the day when they put them on reservations, my family fled to the > mountains...and are not accounted for...I am thinking maybe someone is > from back in our family tree...My Grandfather taugh me Native American > ways, but would not talk about our Culture in front of anyone else...he > said he was Black Irish or Black Dutch...I know he was born in Tennessee > and his parents were born in North Carolina...the last name Black might be > a cut off of another name...does anyone have any info at all that might > help me??? Thanks, Melody > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > > ==== CREEK-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Read a Creek book on line: Notes on the Creek, > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi, I am searching my Grandfathers side...I don't have much to go by...My Grandfathers name was Richard Black...his fathers name was Walter Black who married Idaho Thomas...now my uncle tells me we are Creek...but back in the day when they put them on reservations, my family fled to the mountains...and are not accounted for...I am thinking maybe someone is from back in our family tree...My Grandfather taugh me Native American ways, but would not talk about our Culture in front of anyone else...he said he was Black Irish or Black Dutch...I know he was born in Tennessee and his parents were born in North Carolina...the last name Black might be a cut off of another name...does anyone have any info at all that might help me??? Thanks, Melody --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'

We are researching our Indian heritage around Houston County GA. Does anyone have any info on the Quinny POWELL family of Randolph and/or Houston Counties? Apparently he was an influence in our family because they named a son after him. Our research surname is Nancy MATHIS. Thanks Terrie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Glawson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/918.2.1.3.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Yes her Dad was Clark; she used two names according to someone at ancestry.com; before her marriage she sometimes went by Aquila (presumably after her mother) and sometimes Clark (after her father). Her son Hugh named his eldest son Clark Glawson. Clark signed all family documents with his "X" after the parents both died. I will have to locate my contact at ancestry.com to determine what the source is of the information on the last names; it was documented and I corresponded with the person but then broke off. I won't probably get much information; once I locate them I'll share with you the email address. CE

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Glisson, Glawson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/918.3.2.2.3 Message Board Post: Liz, is your last name spelled Glawson? That is our name; it was sometimes Glawson, sometimes Glossen, sometimes Glasson, sometimes Glason, which sound maybe like translations of the French "glisser" (which means gloss or glaze or glass). We are descendants of Hugh Glasson who is a descendant of Joseph Glawson or Glason depending. The name later became Glossen, but sometimes still Glasson. --C. E. Whitehead

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Glisson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/918.3.2.2.2 Message Board Post: Thanks for the info. The name I saw was Oceola; almost Osceola; it was bestowed 1830-1850 I think. Your info on Osceola is good and also on the counties. Sincerely, C. E. Whitehead

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/1146.1 Message Board Post: my ggreatgrandmother was creek name emma jones and she married amos adams they had six chidrenwillie, henderson, clarence, mary, elizebeth and odell. Odell married Theodre Pitts inLee or Chambers county. I hope this info helps you Theodore also had a brother named Bud Pitts

My understanding is that they passed through NC during the travels to and from TN.

I should think that the "Town Creek Indians" have no discernable relation with the "Creek Indians" of Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Florida. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hartungsj@aol.com> To: <CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Re: Town Creek Indians, NC ??? > Not sure what cemetery you're talking about -- but the reconstructed village > at Town Creek Indian Mounds is in Gilead, NC. Here is the website, which has > some interesting info. > > http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/hs/town/town.htm > > Sharon > > > ==== CREEK-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== > Visit Creek Indian History: http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/creek/creekhist.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Not sure what cemetery you're talking about -- but the reconstructed village at Town Creek Indian Mounds is in Gilead, NC. Here is the website, which has some interesting info. http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/hs/town/town.htm Sharon

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Powel, Powell, Watkins, Regan, Riggan, Vanlandingham, Tyson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/1202.1 Message Board Post: I had asked before about the possiblity of Creek Indians where my ancestors came from in NC and was told it was a little too north. So I would be curious myself! Also, could you tell me more about the cemetery you spoke of in the previous posting? Thank you!

Hello, I reside in NC, just a couple of hours away from Town Creek Indian Mound. It's a fantastic place and has some very informative historical information. To answer your question, Yes, the former residents were Creek. They have an informative website -- check it out, and perhaps you'll be able to visit it sometime. Sharon in NC

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Harris, Poole, Pool Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/1202 Message Board Post: My Grandma (I'm Tina, Jimmy's wife) was born in Montgomery County, NC, and there is a large Indian burial land there called Town Creek (Indian Mounds) I know Grandma was part Indian and from the Town Creek area, but I was wondering if the Town Creeks and Creeks are the same band. In other words, would she be Creek/ Muskogee if she descended from these people? Any help or advice appreciated.

Landmarks Foundation of Montgomery is sponsoring the fourth in a series of symposiums entitled "Alabama Frontier: Cultural Crossroads." This program will take place on January 29 at the Montgomery Museum of Fine Arts; the topic for this presentation is "The Creek War." Speakers include Drs. Jeanne and David Heidler,editors of "'The Encyclopedia of the War of 1812;" Drs.. Kathryn Braund, Greg Waselkov, John Hall,. Craig Sheldon, Jim Parker, director of Fort Toulouse and Ove Jensen, Ranger at Horseshoe Bend National Military Park. In additon to the speakers, there will be an exhibit of the McKenney and Hall Creek Indian prints dating from the early 19th century. Rgistration includes a morning coffee, drinks, snacks and lunch. For registration information, please go to the Old Alabama Town website, or call 334-240-4617. We hope that you will come and join us for this very special symposium. Thank you, Mary Ann Neeley, Landmarks Foundation of Montgomery Inc.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5R.2ADI/248.315.474.1 Message Board Post: Arthur Brackin was my father. He was the son of Nelson Lee, who was one of the sons of William Brackin and Pearlina Holland. I have a picture of William Brackin and Pearlina Holland. I also have a picture of William Brackin taken when he was quite a bit older. If anyone would like copies of these pictures I would be glad to email them. My late brother, Charles A. Brackin, did quite a bit of family research and I have copies of his work.

I am looking for information on the following individuals that lived in Houston Co GA up through 1840: Nancy MATHIS b. 1810 GA (supposed to be Indian) Minerva MATHIS b. abt. 1834, Nancy's daughter (supposed to be Indian) Johnson MATHEWS b. abt. 1810 Cumberland Co NC James MATHEWS possibly Johnson's brother that lived two doors down in Houston County. There is also a connection to the HICKS and POWELL surnames (listed on Dawes app), but don't know how. Thank you Terrie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: CAMPBELL, MENEWA, MENAWA, YAHOLO, CORNELS, REID, COBB Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5R.2ADI/1201 Message Board Post: On page 136 of Ulysses Abrams book (Early History of Bibb County Alabama) I found the following: "James REID vs. Opothle-Yahola and Jim Boy (37) Trespass, assault, and Battery - This action was tried at the term of the Circuit Court, which has just terminated. Judgment by default had been rendered at a previous term. From the evidence, it appeared that in June, 1828, the plaintiff accompanied a deputy of the sheriff of Shelby County into the Creek Nation for the purpose of aiding in the execution of process; that he was seized by the Indians, bound with cords, stripped of his clothing save a light shirt and pantaloons, carried first to Tuckabatchee and there, by one of the defendants, bound with additional cords and ordered on to Thomas Trippett's who was the sub-agent; and from there, taken to Line Creek by a party of Indians under command of the other defendants, his back made bare, tied fast to a tree, and beat with hickory sticks an inch thick and five feet in length, forty stripes. The court instructed the jury that the only question for them was to assess damage. They retired, and in a few minutes, returned with a verdict of $4500.00. The case was argued by Busbee and Hinton for the plaintiff; and Gordon, Goldthwaite and Campbell for the defendants." (37) The Alabama Intellingencer, Tuscaloosa, April, 1830. Can someone tell me what relation Opothle Yaholo had (if any) to Menawa? My Charity, a creek indian, who married David CAMPBELL is said by some to be the daughter or sister to Menawa . . . and some says she is the daughter of Davy CORNELS . . . very confusing! Anyway the person, James REID, mentioned in this case was a neighbor of Alexander COBB who my Elijah C CAMPBELL (son of Charity and David) was the overseer for . . . I am interested in researching this further, but do not have any idea where to start . . . also am interested in the CAMPBELL who defended them. Thanks, Melissa

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Lisa Willis Anderson was said to be from Peter Anderson. Don't know if this was proven. He's my great-grandfather through his daughter, Melinda Ella Fair Anderson who m. Andrew Jackson Deen . Regards Sharon --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/1199 Message Board Post: Hi can anyone tell me how to get information about a creek indian named GOOD DAY listed in the 1832 creek town cubihatcha. Also if this town was later refrered to as tukbihatch. I can find no more information on good day or his family. I was told that maybe good day was a relation of Brite Day. I know that everyone in a village was related through the maternal lines. Does anyone else have a relation to those listed in the village. Peter Anderson, Mut teacch kar, Sucky, Sam ar erkly, So lo di ga , Thomas Barefoot, William McGirth, Benjamin Walker, Thomas Piegeon, Betsy Piegeon , Finnihar , Car bieth car , Joseph Pieggeion, Patta, Con Chart, Chu culis Hargo, Ta wos sa Micco , Pin Hargo, David Piegeon, Cho nt Kar, THick han nick, William Walker , Mary Willis, GOOD DAY , Ar wat t liga , Mahaley Tooley , Vardy Jolly, Slar Hie , Homer Hargo, Siob bie, Widdow Cornels, Li to kie, Betsy any help would be great. Thanks in advance lisa.