HELP! I am Looking for the parents of Clara Shields, ( Guion Miller Rolls # 17905 ) & Her husband Issac Shields. In her G.M. application she states her parents were Elisha Clara and Josephene Peppeo Hollinger, her family originated from Baldwin County Alabama. In 1851 they all lived in Pensacola, FL. I have a copy of a marriage doc. in Escambia, County, FL. for Susanah Clara and Isaac A. Shields, dated Jan. 31, 1872. If anyone runs accross these two in your searches through the archives in Southern Alabama or Escambia Counties will you please copy me. Thanks Robert A. Shields

Does anyone know how to get a copy of Benjamin Hawkins book? Or is it just writings from him published somewhere? Thanks, Lisa

I have accumulated the following but there are probably others. Most of the publications consist of collections of his letters while Henri and Pound's books written about Hawkins. Other than the recent book edited by Foster, the others are only available through the used book market. My personal preference is the "'advance search" at www.abebooks.com <http://www.abebooks.com/> . There are other sources, all good. Hawkins, Benjamin, A Combination of A SKETCH OF THE CREEK COUNTRY, IN THE YEARS 1798 AND 1799 (1848, Part I of Vol. III, Collections, Georgia Historical Society) and LETTERS OF BENJAMIN HAWKINS 1796-1806 (1916, Volume IX, Collections, Georgia Historical Society) The Reprint Company, Publishers, Spartanburg, South Carolina 1982 Hawkins, Benjamin "Letters of Benjamin Hawkins, 1796-1806" Collections of the Georgia Historical Society, Vol. IX, Savannah, 1916 Hawkins, Benjamin (edited by C. L. Grant) "Letters, Journals and Writings of Benjamin Hawkins, Volume I 1796 -1801; Volume II 1802-1816, Savannah Beehive Press 1980 Hawkins, Benjamin (edited and introduction by H. Thomas Foster II) The Collected Works of Benjamin Hawkins, 1796-1810 University of Alabama Press 2003 Henri, Florette The Southern Indians and Benjamin Hawkins 1796-1816. U. of OK Press 1986 Pound, Merritt B. Benjamin Hawkins - Indian Agent University of Georgia Press 1951 -----Original Message----- From: BrewerMom@aol.com [mailto:BrewerMom@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 5:51 AM To: CREEK-SOUTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Re: Indian agents Does anyone know how to get a copy of Benjamin Hawkins book? Or is it just writings from him published somewhere? Thanks, Lisa ==== CREEK-SOUTHEAST Mailing List ==== Visit Creek Indian History: http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/creek/creekhist.htm ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/1196.3.1 Message Board Post: Hi, Thanks so much for your reply but I found a man that looked at my picture and was able to give me information. It seems between she and her brother, they had quite a mixture of Indian blood between them. He was able to tell by the ears, the face shape, the nose and the eyes. It was very interesting to say the least. Thanks anyway for your reply, P.J.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/1197.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hey there, yes, I know about Benjiman Hawkins. I read his biography on one of the websites I came across. Thank you for your answer. It was a great help. Kim

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/1197.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello, They were suppose to keep up with what went on in the early Indian country. They handled affairs between the Native Americans and the government. One popular Indian agent was Benjamin Hawkins. There is a book by Florette Henri "The Southern Indians and Benjamin Hawkins 1798-1816" to find out what he did as a indian agent.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/1197.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello, Please pardon my ignorance or lack of education, but what is an Indian agent? Perhaps someone in my family might have been one. thanks, Kim

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/1196.3 Message Board Post: Hello, In order for me to help you I'll need to see the picture. However, I'm not really sure what a Creek indian looks like. My father looks like he could be indian, because of the dark complection, black hair, and high cheek bones. It also seemed like his skin got darker and darker as he got older. I'll try to help in any way I can. Kim

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/1204.5 Message Board Post: Hi Christine, My name is Kim Williford. I really need your help. I am looking for a great-grandfather who had a father named Meade B. Williford who was a confederate soldier. Private was his rank. I found all the military info I could find on him. Here is what I need to know. 1. He married Elizabeth Moore in Nov. 15, 1845. The 1850's census doesn't show that they had children. Meade drafted into the confederate Army in N.C. in Jan. 9, 1863. I need to know when they had children. I also need to know if perhaps, Elizabeth died before he went into the army and for that reason. I also would like to try to tie him in with a man named M.M Williford, who is a Creek indian, and got his indian blood from a parent. Now, here is another clue. Meade's father, Meede H. Williford Sr. who married a woman named Penelope, but don't know her maiden last name. Perhaps she came for a creek tribe between North Carolina to Florida. The census doesn't say who her parents were nor where they came from. Here is another possibility. Could have Meade and Elizabeth divorced and Meade concieved a baby with a woman from the Creek tribe during his travels to Savannah, GA - Kingston, GA. I've also heard there were some Creeks in North Carolina as well and Meade and Elizabeth were born in Edgecombe, North Carolina. Thank you if you can help me, it would be greatly appreciated. Kim Williford

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/1202.2 Message Board Post: O si yo O na li, Hello my friend, Although that was the cherokee language that I just wrote, I would like to learn Muscogee. The answer to your question is that if the town Creek indians are the same band as the Creek indians, then your grandma has to be of the Creek tribe. My family is from N.C. as well. Although there are strong English and Irish ties in my family's history, it is also suspected that someone in my family is Creek indian with the blood type coming from a parent. I found his name on the Dawe's rolls. I'm still trying to find out who he really is. So, far I might be getting close. I hope I was helpful. By the way, I'm Me'tis myself.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/867.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Hi Amy, I, like everyone else, really do not have much of a clue to "Little Granny Alice". I wish I had thought to ask my Dad questions before he died. He seemed to know family history. Oh Well, I didn't! I am trying to find a connection to her and a James Sloan that came to Ky with her along with a couple of others. I found a James Slone married to an Alice...she was the mother of his children...those same children were pals of Mary Alice's children.. like being there when married etc... James wife bound out a child named "Carie". I have forgotten the year...I wonder if this James was her "mother's husband" and she also would have been " bound out"! Just my own theory, and I am trying to find something to "prove it"!!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5R.2ADI/1204.4 Message Board Post: I would never stop anyone from having an opinion, and I won't comment if your opinion is right or wrong. One thing you should remember is that same site gave you the priveledge of posting your message here free of change!!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5R.2ADI/1204.3 Message Board Post: I do not know where you live but the library has AncestryPlus and you can go on line and it do not cost anything. You can get the data that you are wanting and print it out. Usually, the library has a card that you pay a $1.00 for. You pay .40-.60 cent for the card and it will give a a credit. After you pay for the card, you can do 1.00 credit and it will give you a credit for 1.00. It is wonderful! You do not have to give Ancestry.com your credit card. I pay an arm and a leg for FamilyTree. They want me to give them my geneology on my family but that is assocition with Ancestry.com. I will not give them anything because I would have to buy my geneology, for my family, that I have. This is crazy! I will share anything that I have, for free. Joy Joy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5R.2ADI/1204.2 Message Board Post: I for one would appreciate any information on sites that would improve my search methods. Thank you

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5R.2ADI/1186.3 Message Board Post: Try going to http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/creek/alibamu.htm, There is a lot of information about different sub tribes and their chiefs if you have the patience to sift through it. I thought that I saw Morphis on this site when I was there, but cannot refind it for you, so thought I would provide you with the site, as you are more familiar with the information you wish to find.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5R.2ADI/921.3.2 Message Board Post: Anyone interested in the Bryars family should see: http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2439223&id=I1780 Joy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5R.2ADI/921.3.1 Message Board Post: Thanks so much. The book has gone to U of AL Press and should be out by the end of 2006. Sue M.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5R.2ADI/921.3 Message Board Post: Baptism records in the Church of the French Refugees at Manakintown in the Parish of King William, Virginia show Lazarus John Bryars born September 12, 1739 to parents, Edward and Sarah Bryars. A brother's birth, Jean, is recorded on July 9, 1731. It is known that there were numerous other children, but those birth recordings have not been found. This Lazarus John Bryars had to be the father of the Lazarus John Bryars that came to Baldwin County, Mississippi Territory around 1800. Family stories state that he came from Charleston, South Carolina on horseback, carrying a blacksmith's anvil. Another story says that he and a friend named "Smith" came to the area first around 1796 to do a survey for the federal government. Around 1800, Lazarus brought his two motherless sons, Lazarus, Jr. and Charles, whose mother was a "Sizemore," with him. He remarried and had two other boys, Ethelbert and Stephen. His second wife died and on October 4, 1816, he married Mary Smith in Mobile County. They had two sons, Green Berry and Red Berry. Lazarus was appointed Justice of the Peace in Baldwin County, Mississippi Terrtory on December 27, 1809. He is listed in the 1810 census of Baldwin County with a family of 6 and 3 slaves. He was commissioned as Captain in the Baldwin County 8th Regiment (militia), Mississippi Territory on April 9, 1810. After the August 30, 1813 massacre at Ft. Mims, where Creek Indians killed over 550 people, he filed a claim to the federal government for losses of livestock and personal belongings to marauding indians. Ethelbert Bryars was named administrtor of his father's estate on October 24, 1832. Charles was appointed guardian for Red Berry Bryars, "a minor heir of Lazarus J. Bryars, deceased."

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5R.2ADI/867.1.1.2 Message Board Post: I don't believe "Little Granny" Mary Alice Slone was related to Golden Hawk Sizemore. I'm related to him thru my father's (Montgomery)family. She is not listed as a child ,wife, sister or anything else. So if she is not a sizemore then who? If anyone has imfo please e-me. I'm trying to research my husband family and when I got to Little Granny like everyone else I'm stuck.

Stolen St. Tammany archives recovered Stolen St. Tammany archives recovered Ex-clerk's office worker arrested Thursday, March 31, 2005 By Meghan Gordon and Paul Rioux St. Tammany bureau Calling it a boon to genealogists and Civil War historians, St. Tammany Parish Clerk of Court Malise Prieto announced Wednesday the recovery of hundreds of stolen 19th century records that document many aspects of life in the parish's early days. The documents were found in a four-drawer file cabinet at the home of Bethel Marie Bradley, a Covington woman who died last month. Her ex-husband, Thomas Todd Valois, a former employee in the clerk's office, was arrested Wednesday after he admitted stealing the records more than 10 years ago, authorities said. Among the stacks of fragile papers were original maps of the parish, census figures and election results and documents with the signature of John Wharton Collins, who founded Covington in 1813. An attorney for the estate of Bradley, who died Feb. 28, notified Prieto about the discovery of the documents last week, and the St. Tammany Parish Sheriff's Office began an investigation. Detectives focused on Valois, 39, after learning he is Bradley's ex-husband and that he had worked as an archivist for the clerk's office before Prieto was elected, St. Tammany Parish Sheriff's Office spokesman James Hartman said. When questioned by detectives, Valois confessed to taking the documents while he was in charge of the archives from 1988 to 1993, Hartman said. He was booked Wednesday on warrants for possession of stolen property and injuring public records. Valois, an amateur historian who wrote a column on parish history for The Times-Picayune's St. Tammany edition in the early 1990s, told detectives he stole the documents as references for his historical writings, Hartman said. In one of his "Backward Glance" columns, Valois wrote reverently about the clerk's archives in 1991, calling them a "little-known treasure" that should be "retained and constantly improved." Valois, who lives at 432 N. Columbia St. in Covington, was being held in the parish jail in Covington, where his bond had not been set late Wednesday afternoon. Because the documents are deemed to be worth more than $500, the possession of stolen property charge is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a $3,000 fine, Hartman said. The statutes of limitations for theft and malfeasance in office have expired, preventing detectives from booking Valois on those charges, Hartman said. Prieto said that once detectives turn the records back over to the clerk's office, her archival staff will have the long task of determining how the haphazardly filed records fit into the existing collection. She said she couldn't divine a reason why snippets of some records were stolen, as opposed to entire files. "That's the hard part, to figure out where it all came from," she said. "Every aspect of our records has been touched or taken." Prieto said she considered the most significant documents among the stack -- for both historical and personal reasons -- to be the original will and succession of New Orleans lawyer Horace L. Hunley, who financed and helped build the earliest submarines in the Civil War and died in one that failed to surface during a test dive. After crews recovered it, the CSS Hunley on Feb. 17, 1864, became the first submarine to sink another vessel. For years, a local researcher hounded Prieto about the missing records, even accusing Prieto of stealing them because one of her ancestors owed Hunley money. It was the first thing to come to Prieto's mind when the file cabinet surfaced. "I said, 'Wait a minute. I want to see one thing,' " she said. Before giving the boxes to sheriff's investigators, she flipped to find to the Hunley file, scanning it until she found a debt listed simply as "Owed by Prieto -- 5,000 Confederate dollars, valued at $500," she said, explaining that it must refer to one of her family's first settlers in the region. Prieto said Valois could have reaped a hefty profit by selling the Hunley records on the black market, which leads her to believe he didn't steal them for monetary gain. "I think he, in a twisted sort of way, was taking care of them," she said. Robin Leckbee, a conservator who now supervises the office's oldest collection, used a magnifying glass Wednesday to read documents signed by hand in elaborate script. Though unaware of the file cabinet's full inventory, she pointed to several papers that shed light on St. Tammany's past: -- A document dated Dec. 10, 1822, records the $35 transfer of land by "John Gibson and wife" to Covington for the purpose of establishing a cemetery. -- An 1833 list names 289 white, male landowners who encompassed the St. Tammany's electorate. Familiar names pepper the list: Baham, Carrier, Joyner, Pichon and Tate. -- A record filed in 1874 shows District Judge Jesse Jones' handwritten application for a pension from his service as a second lieutenant in the Battle of New Orleans from 1814 to 1815. Meghan Gordon can be reached at mgordon@timespicayune.com or (985)898-4827. Paul Rioux can be reached at prioux@timespicayune.com or (985)645-2852.