My thanks to you. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Marion Woods > Yes, this is essentially what is shown in the Hastie-Thompson book > > gmw

Yes, this is essentially what is shown in the Hastie-Thompson book gmw

Hi Bonnie, The Hastie-Thompson book shows that Jane Hadley b. 1810 had only one child with Alexander McGillivray W'fd.--Mary Hadley Weatherford, b 1841-42--and that Jane later married (3/1851) Elisha Boom (sic), b. 1826 no b place given). gmw

Jean, Judy White has made it very easy for us. Start reading here: http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawes.php Judy shows us how to find them if they were enrolled, what the criteria was for being enrolled, what records are available, and to top it all off she transcribed the whole Campbell's Abstracts to make it even easier. The Creek Jackets, unfortunately, do not all have everything from the enrollment card to all the paperwork and testimonies before the Commission, simply because the Creeks were the first ones done and the record-keeping was haphazard. They learned from that mistake so the Choctaw, Chickasaw and Cherokee jackets all contain more material overall. It seems that the files that have correspondence, etc. are mostly the rejected applicants that came later. This was the case with Leona Starke - she was unable to get herself, her brother, Sidney Lomax Sizemore, or her daughter, Cora, enrolled in the Creek Nation because they did not appear as Indian on the right census records and other documents required for citizenship in spite of any amount of testimony on their behalf and the fact that they were shown as Indian on some census records - just not the required ones. Thanks again, Judy! With warm regards to all, Evelyn

To Evelyn or anyone who might know: Where did you find the document that you sent for the Dawes Packets Creek Enrollment Cases? I have been searching for that type record needed in my search, but, haven't been successful in locating it. I don't know if everyone who enrolled had to go through this process or not. If so, surely, somewhere there are copies of these documents. Jean **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

Thank you Evelyn We are working up a list of all the miscellaneous files, and they do contain quite a bit of info, but I keep finding to many other things to do. They tell us they are 95% finished with the packets. Hopefully as soon as these are done we will get all the extras put together that we have found in the records. You mentioned about the Creek being so incomplete, we found this when we were working with the databases and trying to get them matched, especially with the minor and newborn, they were the worst. So far I only have the index to the Campbell Abstracts, but you can find many connections with just the index and hopefully soon we will get the abastract online. Judy On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Evelyn S. Leslie <[email protected]> wrote: > Jean, > > Judy White has made it very easy for us. Start reading here: > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawes.php > > Judy shows us how to find them if they were enrolled, what the criteria was > for being enrolled, what records are available, and to top it all off she > transcribed the whole Campbell's Abstracts to make it even easier. The > Creek Jackets, unfortunately, do not all have everything from the > enrollment > card to all the paperwork and testimonies before the Commission, simply > because the Creeks were the first ones done and the record-keeping was > haphazard. They learned from that mistake so the Choctaw, Chickasaw and > Cherokee jackets all contain more material overall. It seems that the > files that have correspondence, etc. are mostly the rejected applicants > that > came later. This was the case with Leona Starke - she was unable to get > herself, her brother, Sidney Lomax Sizemore, or her daughter, Cora, > enrolled > in the Creek Nation because they did not appear as Indian on the right > census records and other documents required for citizenship in spite of any > amount of testimony on their behalf and the fact that they were shown as > Indian on some census records - just not the required ones. > > Thanks again, Judy! > With warm regards to all, > Evelyn > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 2:39 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > To Evelyn or anyone who might know: > > Where did you find the document that you sent for the Dawes Packets Creek > Enrollment Cases? I have been searching for that type record needed in my > search, but, haven't been successful in locating it. I don't know if > everyone who > enrolled had to go through this process or not. If so, surely, somewhere > there are copies of these documents. > > Jean > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi list, Since there was some discussion regarding Mary Ella Weatherford Sizemore recently, thought I'd pass this along as it might be helpful to some figuring their family lines: Dawes Packets Creek Enrollment Cases 22 - 94 No. 35, Leona STARKE Testimony of William FISHER on behalf of Leona STARKE in 1899 before the Commission to the Five Civilized Tribes, Department of the Interior, hearings for Creek Enrollment: Q What is your name A William Fisher Q Are you a citizen of the Creek Nation A Yes, one of the oldest Q How old are you? A Seventy years Q How long have you lived in the Crek Nation? A We come here from Alabama in 1847 Q Do you know Leona Starke? A Yes, I knew her just after she came into this country. I knew her parents just the first people I knew after I came to my recol- lection from a child, and all her connection. Her parents and my family have lived together until we left there, but I know her mother and her father, and her grandfather and great grandmother. Know them just as well as I know one of my children. Q How much Creek Indian is she? A I reckon must be half Q Who was her father? A Her father's name was Alex Sizemore, and Alex Weatherford was her great-grandfather Q Who was her mother? A Her mother was Alex Weatherford's daughter, I don't recollect her given name---Mary. I have got several letters from her since she came here inquiring how she was getting along. Q Was Mary Weatherford a Creek Indian? A Yes sir. Q How much Indian was she? A About half, I think. The old lady used to talk Creek Indian as well as anyone ever did talk. Q How much Creek was her father? A I couln't tell; about half breed. Q That would make this woman about half breed? A Yessir Q Do you know why Leona's name does not appear on the Creek rolls if she is a Creek citizen? A That's what she says, and that's the reason she had me toappear here before you. Q Why doesn't her name appear on the rolls? A I couldn't tell you that; I don't know anything about how that happened, but she is surely a Creek. If I knew everything else as well as I know that she is a Creek, there would be no mistake about it. By Mr. Bixby: This case will be continued in order that applicant may get additional evidence as to citizenship if possible. Her name does not appear to be on the authenticated roll. Regards to all, Evelyn

Thank you very much In a message dated 7/20/2008 10:20:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: This list is being used for more than its original intent. We have some very knowledgeable people on this list and if the junk mail continues they will just leave. So here are a few reminders We don't need to thank people for every single email We do not harvest peoples address and put them on spam lists that they have no interest in. If you have a complaint, you bring this to me, I will take care of it. (I will get my black belt out again!!) This list is not a test site to see if your email is working. Judy List Mom ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

This list is being used for more than its original intent. We have some very knowledgeable people on this list and if the junk mail continues they will just leave. So here are a few reminders We don't need to thank people for every single email We do not harvest peoples address and put them on spam lists that they have no interest in. If you have a complaint, you bring this to me, I will take care of it. (I will get my black belt out again!!) This list is not a test site to see if your email is working. Judy List Mom

Bro in law, said 6 and 8 miles from Horton, same county, are two casinos. One is Kickapoo, and the other is Sac N Fox. Tks, Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] CREEK-SOUTHEAST Kansas casinos > Bro in law is here with us, from Kansas, he is asleep, I will check with > him in the morning. > > Horton, Kansas, is where they live. > When we passed Leavenworth, they made me get in the trunk, so they would > not > keep me. > LOL > > Tks, Sam :o) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol Sircoulomb" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:54 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] CREEK-SOUTHEAST Kansas casinos > > >> There is a casino that is sac and fox about an hour north of Topeka >> Kansas. >> They are trying to get a casino in Park City Kansas north of Wichita I am >> not sure which tribe it is though.The tribe only has to own the land. >> Carol Reed Sircoulomb >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:35:08 -0500 >>> From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] More recent Creek history >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Thank you. >>> We went to two in Horton, Kansas. One was Kickapoo tribe and I thought >>> the >>> other one was the Sac and Fox. >>> Will have to check. >>> Cherokee tribe in Okla, is trying to locate a casino in or near Ft. >>> Smith, >>> Arkansas, without luck so far. >>> >>> Thanks, Sam >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bro in law is here with us, from Kansas, he is asleep, I will check with him in the morning. Horton, Kansas, is where they live. When we passed Leavenworth, they made me get in the trunk, so they would not keep me. LOL Tks, Sam :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Sircoulomb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] CREEK-SOUTHEAST Kansas casinos > There is a casino that is sac and fox about an hour north of Topeka > Kansas. > They are trying to get a casino in Park City Kansas north of Wichita I am > not sure which tribe it is though.The tribe only has to own the land. > Carol Reed Sircoulomb >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:35:08 -0500 >> From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] More recent Creek history >> To: <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Thank you. >> We went to two in Horton, Kansas. One was Kickapoo tribe and I thought >> the >> other one was the Sac and Fox. >> Will have to check. >> Cherokee tribe in Okla, is trying to locate a casino in or near Ft. >> Smith, >> Arkansas, without luck so far. >> >> Thanks, Sam > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I got it also.....sorry you and he has to endure that. Been there with mother, brothers, sister, and lots of friends. Blessings requested for you. TT ----- Original Message ----- From: "MaChis Tribe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Messages >I got it. I have been busy taking my Father to the doctor for test to > determine what the bext course of treatment is. NAcy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:23 AM > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Messages > > >>I have sent several messages to this board and to date no response.? I was >>wondering if they were getting thru.? Glenda >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I got it. I have been busy taking my Father to the doctor for test to determine what the bext course of treatment is. NAcy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Messages >I have sent several messages to this board and to date no response.? I was >wondering if they were getting thru.? Glenda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Hastie(Thompson) book has Jane Hadley b. ca. 1810, Miss. Territory d. 9-16-1887, Escambia Co, AL dau. of Benjamin Hadley and Betsy Kinderson. They aren't mentioned elsewhere in index, but Bibliography shows: Hadley, Jane. 1850 Census of Baldwin County on Hadley household submitted by Brenda Jackson, Sept. 1991. I haven't checked that yet. Good Luck, Richard T !

I haven't, but PLEASE tell me if it has a time and place of death for Charles Weatherford and who his parents and grandparents were. Thank you ! gmw

Tim, I received your e-mail. Elizabeth Conger -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dorothy H. Hope Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] HAVING EMAIL PROBLEMS...PLEASE REPLY Dot Hope received July 18, 2008. At 10:39 PM 7/17/2008 -0400, you wrote: >I AM HAVING A STRANGE THING HAPPENING WITH MY EMAIL...TRYING TO FIND >OUT >FROM ANYONE IF YOU GET THIS EMAIL....AND IF I CAN GET ONE BACK. > >ANYONE......IF YOU GET THIS, WILL YOU JUST LET KNOW WITH AN >REPLY....THANKS Tim T > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a casino that is sac and fox about an hour north of Topeka Kansas. They are trying to get a casino in Park City Kansas north of Wichita I am not sure which tribe it is though.The tribe only has to own the land. Carol Reed Sircoulomb > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:35:08 -0500 > From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] More recent Creek history > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Thank you. > We went to two in Horton, Kansas. One was Kickapoo tribe and I thought > the > other one was the Sac and Fox. > Will have to check. > Cherokee tribe in Okla, is trying to locate a casino in or near Ft. Smith, > Arkansas, without luck so far. > > Thanks, Sam

THANKS ----- Original Message ----- From: "JMSchohn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] websites of interest > Just a correction on these links. The historical melungeons site should > read: > > http://historical-melungeons.blogspot.com > > And the Lumbee Indians and Goins family site should read: > > http://lumbeeindiansandgoinsfamily.blogspot.com > > In a message dated 07/17/08 15:45:01 Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] > writes: > Since we are recommending websites here are more : Coastal Carolina > Indian Center - http://coastalcarolinaindians.com > <http://coastalcarolinaindians.com/> lots of interesting stuff - one > essay on Tuscarora war - historical melungeons - > http://historicalmelungeons.blogspot.com > <http://historicalmelungeons.blogspot.com/> lots of essays, links - > latest on the Occaneechi, Saponi & Tutelo -- lumbee Indians and the > Goins family - http://lumbeeindians and goinsfamily.blogspot.com - > Steve Pony Hill's site already recommended - Essays on race & the one > drop rule,etc Backintyme site of Frank Sweet - > http://backintyme.com/essays > > Marcie > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just a correction on these links. The historical melungeons site should read: http://historical-melungeons.blogspot.com And the Lumbee Indians and Goins family site should read: http://lumbeeindiansandgoinsfamily.blogspot.com In a message dated 07/17/08 15:45:01 Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Since we are recommending websites here are more : Coastal Carolina Indian Center - http://coastalcarolinaindians.com <http://coastalcarolinaindians.com/> lots of interesting stuff - one essay on Tuscarora war - historical melungeons - http://historicalmelungeons.blogspot.com <http://historicalmelungeons.blogspot.com/> lots of essays, links - latest on the Occaneechi, Saponi & Tutelo -- lumbee Indians and the Goins family - http://lumbeeindians and goinsfamily.blogspot.com - Steve Pony Hill's site already recommended - Essays on race & the one drop rule,etc Backintyme site of Frank Sweet - http://backintyme.com/essays Marcie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message