The Red Stick - White Stick thing basicallyapplies to the Upper and Lower Creeks of historical period Muskogee towns in Alabama and extreme western Georgia. Other Creeks in Georgia, Tennessee, North Carolina and South Carolina did not seem to divide themselves up that way. The federally recognized Alabama-Koasati of Texas have an excellent website that explains their history. The Koasati originally immigrated down the Tennessee River from eastern Tennessee. Some Koasati towns merged with the Creek Confederacy. Some did not. Others joined their fates with bands of Alabama. The Alabama was probably the first "civilized" Muskogeans in Alabama and Mississippi and are associated with Moundville. They originally occupied much of the territory that was occupied by the Choctaws and Creek Confederacy in the 1700s and 1800s - but this may also reflect the fact that individual Alabama towns joined up either with the Choctaws or the Creeks. I found a Alabama name for a major town in the Smoky Mountains too - Cholahuma - Red Fox - which was visited by the Spanish in the 1500s. Many Alabama and Koasati bands settled in Louisiana as did several Creek bands. Some Alabama and Koasati stayed, while others moved on west. Some Alabama's eventually settled in Oklahoma and joined the Creeks there. The Koasati's, Tuskegee's and Hitchiti's probably were the same people once. They were some of the first Muskogeans to arrive in the east. Their languages are very similar - basically dialects of the same language. Koasati's and Hitchiti's were also very similar in appearance, and different looking that the Muskogees. I know that my Uncle Earl was a spitting image of Chief Tomochichi, while a Koasati jar in the shape of a young man's head is a spitting image of me at age 16. Richard T. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

Isn't that the truth! TT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Faulk" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Coushetta & Texas immigrants Richard T., I have read all of the amazing storehouse of information you share with everyone. Please tell me how you have aquired all of this rich knowledge. I wish someone in the movie indstry would do an epic series on the early period of Indian peoples in the south. I would only hope that they would rely on someone like yourself (you would certainly be my pick) as a historical expert to make the movie accurately correct. Kindest Regards, Glenn --- On Tue, 7/22/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Coushetta & Texas immigrants To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 2:20 PM Hey Folks! Taking a break from drawing plans for a Mexican steakhouse restaurant. Actually charcoal grilling meats or seafood, (barbicoa) is much more typical of Mexico than the Tex-Mex stuff. Anyway, Coushetta in a 19th century American frontier mispronunciation of the Koasati of eastern Tennessee, who were pushed down into Alabama by the Cherokees in the 1700s.. Koasati is a Creek mispronunciation of the real name, Kowassi-ti, which means "Bobcat People" in Hitchiti and Koasati. As I mentioned before, dialects of Hitchiti were much more prevalent than Muskogee at the time of the Spanish Invasion. Thousands and thousand of Creeks went to Mexico and Texas. This is well documented. The full blood traditionals tended to immigrate to Mexico, while prosperous mixed-blood Creeks from Georgia went to Texas. The reason was that although Georgia promised the Friendly Creeks they could stay, as soon as the Cherokees and Muskogees were gone, the Friendly (Hitchiti) Creeks caught hell. I strongly recommend that you rent a DVD of the movie "True Women" staring among other fine actors, Angeline Jolet. In her first staring role, she plays the 1/4th Creek grand daughter of Indian Agent Benjamin Hawkins. Her parents are wealthy planters, so no one bothers her 1/2 Creek mother. However, Angeline's heart is broken by the treatment of the middle class Friendly Creeks. She moves to Texas and becomes one of the early leaders of the Republic of Texas. It is a true story. The plot of the movie is much more complex than I described it, but it is the most accurate portrayal of Georgia Creeks, I have ever seen. We were always good neighbors and friends to the new immigrants, yet still got screwed in the end - as if we were hostile Red Sticks. Richard T. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: shilohdream Surnames: hughley, huguley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/808.1.1.1.1.2.3.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thank u so very much! you have cleared up years of research and confusion on my part, according to the 1880-1920 census I was bewildered as to why my gr grandmother, Susannah (sally) huguley (hughley) consistantly called herself "mulatto). also my gr grandfather Ezekiel Hughley and his mother was listed on the 1870 census as Mulatto. Her name was Mary Hughley married to his father Zeke Hughley. Thanks for the tip, it answered many questions. Any other info you have, please send it to me. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: shilohdream Surnames: hughley, huguley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/808.1.1.1.1.2.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thank u so very much! you have cleared up years of research and confusion on my part, according to the 1880-1920 census I was bewildered as to why my gr grandmother, Susannah (sally) huguley (hughley) consistantly called herself "mulatto). also my gr grandfather Ezekiel Hughley and his mother was listed on the 1870 census as Mulatto. Her name was Mary Hughley married to his father Zeke Hughley. Thanks for the tip, it answered many questions. Any other info you have, please send it to me. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: shilohdream Surnames: huguley, hughley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/808.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: yes! There are many huguley's, hughleys in Opelika till this day Kenneth. In fact, there is a part of Opelika Alabama named Hughley county. Most definitely this family tree is connected to my gr grandfather on the 1880 census. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Are you related to Hatai(spelling?) Hughley of Crawford, Alabama? Hughley Road intersects HWY 80 about 25 minutes West of Phenix City. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Mulattoes in Alabama,were they Creek Indians ? > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: shilohdream > Surnames: hughley, huguley > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/808.1.1.1.1.2.3.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > thank u so very much! you have cleared up years of research and confusion > on my part, according to the 1880-1920 census I was bewildered as to why > my gr grandmother, Susannah (sally) huguley (hughley) consistantly called > herself "mulatto). also my gr grandfather Ezekiel Hughley and his mother > was listed on the 1870 census as Mulatto. Her name was Mary Hughley > married to his father Zeke Hughley. Thanks for the tip, it answered many > questions. Any other info you have, please send it to me. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.4/1567 - Release Date: 7/22/2008 > 4:05 PM > > >

Wow, Richard T ! I DID see that movie last year, but I just thought that Hollywood was doing it's thing. It's great to know that it is factual and can be believed in addition to being enjoyed ! Thanks ! Were the Koasati hostile or friendly--Red or White Sticks? Thanks ! Yes, it is rotten that the friendly Indians didn't receive what they were due/promised. I wanted to know from you about the Alabama-Coushatta Tribe here in Texas (Alibamu and Koasati) because I had heard that they came in the early 1800's and then later I heard that it was the 1700's. There are only about 500 now on the Reservation, which is the oldest in Texas. Thanks ! g

Richard T.,   I have read all of the amazing storehouse of information you share with everyone. Please tell me how you have aquired all of this rich knowledge. I wish someone in the movie indstry would do an epic series on the early period of Indian peoples in the south.   I would only hope that they would rely on someone like yourself (you would certainly be my pick) as a historical expert to make the movie accurately correct.   Kindest Regards, Glenn --- On Tue, 7/22/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Coushetta & Texas immigrants To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 2:20 PM Hey Folks! Taking a break from drawing plans for a Mexican steakhouse restaurant. Actually charcoal grilling meats or seafood, (barbicoa) is much more typical of Mexico than the Tex-Mex stuff. Anyway, Coushetta in a 19th century American frontier mispronunciation of the Koasati of eastern Tennessee, who were pushed down into Alabama by the Cherokees in the 1700s.. Koasati is a Creek mispronunciation of the real name, Kowassi-ti, which means "Bobcat People" in Hitchiti and Koasati. As I mentioned before, dialects of Hitchiti were much more prevalent than Muskogee at the time of the Spanish Invasion. Thousands and thousand of Creeks went to Mexico and Texas. This is well documented. The full blood traditionals tended to immigrate to Mexico, while prosperous mixed-blood Creeks from Georgia went to Texas. The reason was that although Georgia promised the Friendly Creeks they could stay, as soon as the Cherokees and Muskogees were gone, the Friendly (Hitchiti) Creeks caught hell. I strongly recommend that you rent a DVD of the movie "True Women" staring among other fine actors, Angeline Jolet. In her first staring role, she plays the 1/4th Creek grand daughter of Indian Agent Benjamin Hawkins. Her parents are wealthy planters, so no one bothers her 1/2 Creek mother. However, Angeline's heart is broken by the treatment of the middle class Friendly Creeks. She moves to Texas and becomes one of the early leaders of the Republic of Texas. It is a true story. The plot of the movie is much more complex than I described it, but it is the most accurate portrayal of Georgia Creeks, I have ever seen. We were always good neighbors and friends to the new immigrants, yet still got screwed in the end - as if we were hostile Red Sticks. Richard T. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, folks, that's right the Tvmv were NOT Muskogees. They were Hitchiti speakers like most Georgia Creeks, and would have looked something like Chief Tomachichi ... whose real name in Hitchiti was Tama-chiki - A member of the Royal House of Tama. They would have not looked like Muskogees. So I guess if one wanted to be ethnologically correct, the state recognized Creek tribe in SW Georgia should be called the Tawmaw Hitchiti-Creek Tribal Town in English - not the Tama Lower Creek-Muscogee Tribal Town. What my recent research has uncovered is that there was a schism in the Tama-tli due to the repeated attempts of Spanish soldiers and priests to invade the Tama-tli's territory near the juncture of the Oconee and Ocmulgee Rivers that form the Altamaha. A small minority of Tama-tli converted to Catholicism and relocated to a mission near the Georgia Welcome Center on I-75 in SW Georgia. HOWEVER, there are also numerous Tama-tli town sites in Western North Carolina and eastern Tennessee. I think that the Tama-tli always had mountain trading stations, because the Tama-tli site east of Murphy, NC has a good-sized mound. Probably, more Tama-tli fled to the mountains during the English slave-raiding period. These mountain Tama-tli communities eventually joined the Cherokee Alliance. Their descendants are known as Cherokees. The exact locations of the Tama-tli communities are preserved in such place names as Tamatley, Tomatly, and Tomatla. It is clear from Spanish records, that the Tama-tli never allowed the Spanish to build a mission or fort in their ancestral land. The Forks of the Altamaha continued to be pure Muskogean territory until the early 1800s. That is why it is hilarious that the Fernbank Museum continues to promote the search of for the Mission Santa Isabel de Utinahica in Telfair County, GA on the Ocmulgee River (Middle Georgia). Utinahica is a Timucua (Arawak) word. The Utinahica were based near Cumberland Island, GA. at the Florida State Line. People of One Fire member and Lumbee historian Michael Jacobs, HAS found Spanish records describing a chain of small forts and missions reaching northeastward out of the Okefenokee Swamp along the Satilla River. If one extends that line a little further, it intersects with the OTHER Forks of the Altamaha - the juncture of the Altamaha and Ohoopee Rivers. Now this area was known to be the northern most frontier of Timucua influence. We know that the Timucua inland forts and missions only lasted a short time, before the Tama-tli destroyed them - so juncture of the Ohoopee and Altamaha is where some European archaeologist, I guess, will find the remains of Mission Santa Isabel de Utinahica. Richard T. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

Hey Ric! I guess there could be a connection, but the official definition of Tamaulipas are words in a language entirely different from Hitchiti. On the other hand, the "experts" who guessed at the translation of Tamaulipas could be entirely wrong. Tvmv means a type of drum in Hitchiti - so Tvmv-tli would mean Drum People. The Hitchiti use an entirely different word for people or ethnic groups than the other Muskogeans. The "tli" agglutinative suffice is straight from Mexico and means exactly the same in several Mexican languages. The word for house in Hitchiti and Totonac is chiki. That is interesting because the Totonac now live just south of Tamaulpilis State in Mexico. Ric, the real problem in answering your question is that the Southeastern archaeologists refuse to discuss the obvious connection between Mesoamerica and the Muskogeans. When people refuse to discuss theories, that also means that they refuse to do research. You personally have seen how the Georgia archaeologists are going out of their way to shun me now, and refuse to discuss the Creek perspective of history. If I mention in person to a group of Georgia archaeologists about the FACT that there are several Maya and Totonac words in Creek dialects, they don't even respond to me, and give a silly little smile - like I am fresh out of the loony bin. It's their loss. The Latin American and European archaeologists are very interested in the possible connection. I have a feeling it will be some French, German or Dutch archaeologist working in either southern Georgia or Florida who makes the discovery that proves the connection. Sorry for the long answer - but the answer was complicated. Richard T. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Tawmaw and Tamaulipas > Hey Ric! > > I guess there could be a connection, but the official definition of > Tamaulipas are words in a language entirely different from Hitchiti. On > the other > hand, the "experts" who guessed at the translation of Tamaulipas could be > entirely wrong. > > Tvmv means a type of drum in Hitchiti - so Tvmv-tli would mean Drum > People. > The Hitchiti use an entirely different word for people or ethnic groups > than the other Muskogeans. The "tli" agglutinative suffice is straight > from > Mexico and means exactly the same in several Mexican languages. > > The word for house in Hitchiti and Totonac is chiki. That is interesting > because the Totonac now live just south of Tamaulpilis State in Mexico. > > Ric, the real problem in answering your question is that the > Southeastern > archaeologists refuse to discuss the obvious connection between > Mesoamerica > and the Muskogeans. When people refuse to discuss theories, that also > means > that they refuse to do research. You personally have seen how the > Georgia > archaeologists are going out of their way to shun me now, and refuse to > discuss > the Creek perspective of history. If I mention in person to a group of > Georgia archaeologists about the FACT that there are several Maya and > Totonac words > in Creek dialects, they don't even respond to me, and give a silly little > smile - like I am fresh out of the loony bin. > > It's their loss. The Latin American and European archaeologists are very > interested in the possible connection. I have a feeling it will be some > French, German or Dutch archaeologist working in either southern Georgia > or Florida > who makes the discovery that proves the connection. > > Sorry for the long answer - but the answer was complicated. > > Richard T. > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.4/1567 - Release Date: 7/22/2008 > 4:05 PM > > >

I purchased the new DVD "True Women" on Ebay last year and found the book in the local library. Be sure you are getting "True Women" not "True Woman" on Ebay. Jean **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

Richard T., Have you found any connection with the Tama of the SE and Tamaulipas of South Texas and Mexico? ----- Original Message ----- >

I bought the DVD last year, I went to a DVD store here in Prattville and they ordered the movie for me. I would like to buy the book, if I can find it. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:20 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Coushetta & Texas immigrants > Hey Folks! > > Taking a break from drawing plans for a Mexican steakhouse restaurant. > Actually charcoal grilling meats or seafood, (barbicoa) is much more typical of > Mexico than the Tex-Mex stuff. > > Anyway, Coushetta in a 19th century American frontier mispronunciation of > the Koasati of eastern Tennessee, who were pushed down into Alabama by the > Cherokees in the 1700s.. Koasati is a Creek mispronunciation of the real name, > Kowassi-ti, which means "Bobcat People" in Hitchiti and Koasati. As I > mentioned before, dialects of Hitchiti were much more prevalent than Muskogee at > the time of the Spanish Invasion. > > Thousands and thousand of Creeks went to Mexico and Texas. This is well > documented. The full blood traditionals tended to immigrate to Mexico, while > prosperous mixed-blood Creeks from Georgia went to Texas. The reason was that > although Georgia promised the Friendly Creeks they could stay, as soon as the > Cherokees and Muskogees were gone, the Friendly (Hitchiti) Creeks caught > hell. > > I strongly recommend that you rent a DVD of the movie "True Women" staring > among other fine actors, Angeline Jolet. In her first staring role, she > plays the 1/4th Creek grand daughter of Indian Agent Benjamin Hawkins. Her > parents are wealthy planters, so no one bothers her 1/2 Creek mother. However, > Angeline's heart is broken by the treatment of the middle class Friendly > Creeks. She moves to Texas and becomes one of the early leaders of the Republic > of Texas. It is a true story. The plot of the movie is much more complex than > I described it, but it is the most accurate portrayal of Georgia Creeks, I > have ever seen. We were always good neighbors and friends to the new > immigrants, yet still got screwed in the end - as if we were hostile Red Sticks. > > Richard T. > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey Folks! Taking a break from drawing plans for a Mexican steakhouse restaurant. Actually charcoal grilling meats or seafood, (barbicoa) is much more typical of Mexico than the Tex-Mex stuff. Anyway, Coushetta in a 19th century American frontier mispronunciation of the Koasati of eastern Tennessee, who were pushed down into Alabama by the Cherokees in the 1700s.. Koasati is a Creek mispronunciation of the real name, Kowassi-ti, which means "Bobcat People" in Hitchiti and Koasati. As I mentioned before, dialects of Hitchiti were much more prevalent than Muskogee at the time of the Spanish Invasion. Thousands and thousand of Creeks went to Mexico and Texas. This is well documented. The full blood traditionals tended to immigrate to Mexico, while prosperous mixed-blood Creeks from Georgia went to Texas. The reason was that although Georgia promised the Friendly Creeks they could stay, as soon as the Cherokees and Muskogees were gone, the Friendly (Hitchiti) Creeks caught hell. I strongly recommend that you rent a DVD of the movie "True Women" staring among other fine actors, Angeline Jolet. In her first staring role, she plays the 1/4th Creek grand daughter of Indian Agent Benjamin Hawkins. Her parents are wealthy planters, so no one bothers her 1/2 Creek mother. However, Angeline's heart is broken by the treatment of the middle class Friendly Creeks. She moves to Texas and becomes one of the early leaders of the Republic of Texas. It is a true story. The plot of the movie is much more complex than I described it, but it is the most accurate portrayal of Georgia Creeks, I have ever seen. We were always good neighbors and friends to the new immigrants, yet still got screwed in the end - as if we were hostile Red Sticks. Richard T. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

I agree, Glenn, re the MesoAmericans traveling north. After all, the general belief is that peoples traveled from Asia all the way to South America, yes? Re renaming places in Texas---yes, yes! We even have a "new" Tombigbee River here ! Do you know anything about the Alabama-Coushatta reservation here in Texas? I discovered it in 1967 on the way to New Orleans, but they weren't having visitors because there had been recent major flooding in the area. Does that really stand for Alibamu and Coosawda or Cousatta ? When did they arrive? Thank you, and Thank You for helping our people in your work! gmw

Lynn,   I think what you find is that a WHOLE group would move to a new area together and they would name the new area with familiar names as to where they moved from. I am originally from the Alabama-Georgia line around Columbus, Ga. and now living in San Antonio, Tx. In looking at names here in Texas, I have found that many place names common back home are typical here in Texas and, also, find that surrounding communities are the same names as the surrounding communities that relate to the city/town back in Ga. I find that the surrounding communities are spaced about the same distance from the city/town as they were back in Ga.(i.e., Columbus & LaGrange) In addition to place names, I find many family names in a community to be the same family names found in the city/town/community in Ga. As you may know, many people migrated from Ga. to the Texas piney woods.   I think you'll find the old Hollywood movie images of wagon trains with large groups traveling together from a particular area to another to have been the common place back in the early days.   Personal experience: I grew up in the Columbus, Ga./Phenix City, Al. area, ALL of my family was from Barbour County, Al. and when I moved to Texas, I had an interesting experience. My father's family split in the late 1800s and those who left Clio, Al. moved to Texas. I was aware of this when I moved here, but never thought I could find any of them. I work in juvenile probation and in 1997 helped to open a residential facility for youth offenders here in San Antonio. On our first day of training, we all introduced ourselves and I gave my name, Glenn Faulk and stated that I was from Alabama. When we took our first break, a young lady came up quite excited to talk with me. She said her grandfather had been a Faulk from Alabama. I asked her if she had any idea as to where he was from and she said a little town called Cilo. I asked her if she was trying to say Clio and she said, "That's it!" I told her that my dad was a Faulk from Clio. Well, my cousin was sitting right there in the room with me.   Another interesting (strange) story. Back in January, a friend sent me a short video of the "Fruitcake Lady" from the Jay Leno show. As I sat listening to her catty, humorous advice, I thought to myself that she looked an awful lot like my dad's side of the family. Out of curiosity, I did an internet search and found that she had passed away last November and that NBC had a eulogy page for her. In reading the page, it mentioned that her maiden name was Faulk and that she was born in Monroeville, Al. This town is located about 2 hours west of Clio, Al.  With the family resemblance, same family name, and the fairly close relationship of the towns, I am sure she and I are distant relatives.   On a final note, I am, too often, amazed at hearing accounts of HOW FAR many people traveled (quite frequently recurring trips to and from) in historical times over vast distances. During the time of the Romans/Egyptians, and many other groups, there are many recorded accounts of leaders traveling extensively. With these accounts on record, I find it funny that many archaeologists/historians find it difficult to conceive that early inhabitants of the deep south couldn't possibly have come from central Mexico and even further south.    Kindest Regards, Glenn --- On Sat, 7/12/08, Lynn <[email protected]> wrote: From: Lynn <[email protected]> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Same Counties? To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 11:01 AM Has anyone noticed when families migrate to other states do they tend toward same name counties? Like from Monroe County, TN to Monroe County, AL, etc? When Monroe County,AL was mentioned I thought at first they were talking about Monroe CO, TN as I have some Monroe CO, TN ties. Was just brainstorming when I wondered about this. Thanks, Lynn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey Jackie.....been chasing the mystery kid on the sheet you sent me way back. Well, it seems like way back to me! Anyhow....I figured out that the Thomas Smith that was living with my Great Great Grand Daddy and Mama Jessie and Mary Dees in 1850 was probably a kid out of wedlock and his name was changed to Thomas Dees by the time the 1860 Census was taken (age 17)... the part "of out wedlock" is an assumption that could go foul. The discovery is that he is listed on the actual 1870 paper as Indian, 27 years old, his wife as White, two kids Indian and another older kid as Black. On the typed summary sheet it has the whole bunch as Black. He and his family lived next door to my Great Great Grand Mother Mary Dees, Jessie's wife. And, on the same sheet about three or four houses before theirs is a Timothy that I never heard of that is listed as Black and came from Virginia. I can't make out the first name....something like Mite? I'm hunting my Grand Daddy Thomas Timothy's dad in this quagmire at the same time! (He is listed as Indian in the 1880 Census.) That's that one. Now, two, Millard: On the Thomas H. Deese (Dees) that you had as listed as 3/4 Indian, who later was listed in a later Census as marrying a 17 year old Indian, and had a 42 year old son listed as an Indian, has the birth year that fits with my Great Great Grand Daddy Jessie Dees' 1830 Monroe Census for the brother of my Great Grand Daddy Martin Dees that has been missing. So any other records you have on any of these that I can beg, borrow, buy, or be gifted with, I would appreciate it...and thanks. Hope that makes sense to me tomorrow. Yep.......we are Creek! TT

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Considering the recent announced guidelines for this board, I hope this is an appropriate question to ask. Years ago as I had to study various religions and denominations to gain some understanding of people when referencing behavior and values with various ethnic groups in the counseling field. During that period of time, I heard there were writings or passed down stories told about various American Indian Tribes who had been visited by this mysterious man in all white garments supporting a beard about the time Christ was crucified or had risen. Does anyone know any Creek stories or other tribe stories about this subject? TT