Jackpot !! There's GOBS of Information on this site! It doesn't "flow" wonderfully, however; if you get a little bit "lost", just scroll all the way down to the bottom and hit "Site" and you'll get back each time to the main page. It has History, Research, Genealogy As you can see, the info below refers to Poarch Creek, but you can choose Creek, Choctaw, Cherokee info, also. http://aiac.state.al.us/tribes_PoarchCreek.aspx Please let me know if this doesn't work Enjoy ! gmw

Evelyn, I think the Treaty of Indian Springs specified reserves to be given several leaders (traitors) who signed the treaty. However, I have read references to other reserves being given out to certain Creeks, per requests of Andy Jackson, or prominent generals/politicians. In particular, Timpoochee Barnard received special favors because he (in a weak moment) saved Jackson's life. My suggestion is to contact the Georgia Historical Society in Savannah to ask for a least. They have a web site. The GHS was founded in 1838 and its initial archives were composed of documents related to relations between the Colony/State of Georgia and the Indians. The veteran's reserves will probably not be listed in major treaties. Richard T. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

Thanks, Richard. I think I have some references to the Treaty of Indian Springs among the bits and pieces regarding Creek land and listing individuals. I go back and check it out. Evelyn > Evelyn, > > I think the Treaty of Indian Springs specified reserves to be given > several > leaders (traitors) who signed the treaty. However, I have read > references > to other reserves being given out to certain Creeks, per requests of Andy > Jackson, or prominent generals/politicians. In particular, Timpoochee > Barnard > received special favors because he (in a weak moment) saved Jackson's > life. > > > Richard T.

Thanks, Kathie. So you don't think anyone has ever compiled a complete list of the reserved lands allotted to Creek families in Georgia under any of the various land deals? I think I'll search through NARA records a bit. The records for the land allotments in the Poarch Creek area were from a couple of different boxes filed under the Treaty of 1814 - I believe one them was Box 49 if I recall correctly, in the National Archives. The Congressional records online might lend a clue, also, since everything dealing with land went through the committees. Warm regards, Evelyn

Attn: Richard B, here is the site. The Lost Cherokee of Arkansas and Missouri Arkansas Cherokee Phoenix Articles and Information [email protected] Tks. Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas,Louisiana and Texas > Sam, > I did not think they are recognized, but I do not have a need to know on > that one. > > There were some very early Cherokees settled vicinity of Dover... (I'm > getting a vision..)...:o) a significant school or church situation. This > is central to the area that John Jolly (chief of the Old Settlers) 1828/29 > , > was located (he maybe my connection, plus where Sam Huston "holed up" > before going on to his fame in TX ) and due south of there on the Arkansas > River is a large population of Cheroks and a very old Cherokee cemetery on > the bluffs above the river. > By the way, these places are getting in the neighborhood of where my > "pioneers" (Thomas Clark from TN in 1853/or 54) began,... in extreme > southwest Newton County , AR. Am probably related to Merle Haggard, he > claims to be from same place. Everybody (!!) is cuzn there. There are > some > folks that area who quit talking to me about genealogy (their ancestors > murdered my gggrandfather Thomas Clark, spring 1863). As I took apart the > last threads of information,... I had it and they just "shut up". > > If anyone encounters some research on a battle/attack (1st week of > February > , 1863) involving 7 members of the union 1st AR CAV , at Mulberry Springs, > AR, I surely would be interested. It was an attack on a log "compound" > against 35 Mankins or Manican Indians. I have looked some and believe > these Manikin/Mankins are originally from/part of the Powhatans in easter > Virginia ??). The inhabitants of the compound were paid partisans , hired > by Peter Mankins. I have read the military record, but hope there is more > info "out there". > > Richard B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:52 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking > forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > > >> Thanks Richard B., >> He is legit. His Uncle and Aunt are on the rolls and so was his grand >> parents and parents. >> His brother also. >> I understand the situation on the wanta bees. >> But, it is listed as the Lost Cherokee Nation, with no benefits, or >> Federal >> recognition. >> Arkansas and Missouri. >> The main office use to be in Clinton, Ark. and has now moved to Dover, >> Ark. >> if I am not mistaken. >> Thank you, my friend. >> >> Sam >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for >> ancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >> >> >>> Sam, >>> Not to disappoint, but there are many (many) wannabe fraudlent groups in >>> the >>> area you mention. Before you recognize them, you might want to find a >>> site >>> that lists all the federally recognized tribes and see if the group you >>> mention is on the list. >>> >>> I have "bumped" into some of these people and it is disturbing to see >>> them >>> using "enrollement cards" with numbers of their own manufacture. Part >>> of >>> the issue for me ( and others..) is they refer to themselves as Cherokee >>> tribe and represent craft work (with logos..) as authentic native >>> american. >>> To become one of them, the usually needed genealogy is a $20 /or check >>> made >>> out to them. I have not been arround any of them for a while (they got >>> to >>> know me..) , but I suspect they are still getting a high level of >>> membership >>> enrollment. Most of their starting dialog with strangers is" we are >>> descended from Inds who jumped off the boats,.. my ancestors escaped >>> from >>> the trail of tears.." (thats why we are here, etc..) Yuck. >>> >>> Richard B. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors >>> alwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>> >>> >>>> Richard B, >>>> I believe the Cherokee's in Ark. and Missouri, are referred to as the >>>> Lost >>>> Cherokee Tribe. A friend has his card, Lost Cherokee Tribe. (Arkansas >>>> and >>>> Missouri) >>>> >>>> Thanks, Sam >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:29 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always >>>> checkoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>>> >>>> >>>>> Richard T., when cooking the Opossom, I guess my ggrandmother forgot >>>>> to >>>>> "parboil" and went straight to the oven. Grease/oil level was half up >>>>> in >>>>> the baking pan, but I think they used to dip their homemade bread in >>>>> that. >>>>> That was one of the few foods I tried and did not acquire a taste for. >>>>> (too >>>>> much oil..). How do you get those roadkills to eat the >>>>> buttermilk/etc??? >>>>> >>>>> In locations for natives,.. remember that about 1817 was a treaty for >>>>> the >>>>> Cherokees (referred to as Old Settlers) to self emigrate to their >>>>> Reservation in north central Arkansas. (they stayed there until about >>>>> 1830) >>>>> when the reservation was dissolved in another treaty and the Old >>>>> Settlers >>>>> went to Ind Territory. 1817 look for "passport" allowing Inds >>>>> (reds...:o) >>>>> to travel. >>>>> >>>>> Sam Huston , the Texican, was very hooked to the Cherokees, he was >>>>> known >>>>> as >>>>> "The Raven" & book title same name , .. in his biography you see >>>>> much. >>>>> (one of my family names chief (John Jolly) , adopted him, but others >>>>> claim >>>>> not the same person. Neither of us can "proove" yes/no , but I have >>>>> some >>>>> paper trial for that!! >>>>> >>>>> Also, along with your good information, you did not mention 1811 >>>>> earthquake >>>>> SE Missouri "bootheel" , Cherokee living there with chief "Bowl" , >>>>> fled >>>>> to >>>>> TX , they considered the ground shake a bad medicine message or >>>>> something. >>>>> Quiz.. : Feds made 40 treaties with the Cherokee,.. how many of the >>>>> treaty >>>>> conditions were kept by this govt ?? (tune in this theatre next week >>>>> for >>>>> the answer..)!! >>>>> >>>>> Richard B. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:22 PM >>>>> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always check >>>>> outArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The mention about the new museum In Fort Smith, AK reminded of >>>>>> something >>>>>> I >>>>>> discovered in my research in the past. I found that thousands and >>>>>> thousands >>>>>> of Creeks and Cherokees went west prior to the Trail of Tears in the >>>>>> late >>>>>> 1830s. Very few went initially to Oklahoma because it was claimed by >>>>>> other >>>>>> tribes. Cherokees and Upper Creeks often went to Arkansas, sometimes >>>>>> to >>>>>> Missouri. >>>>>> Lower Creeks, Alabamas, and Koasati's went to Louisiana, Texas and >>>>>> Mexico - >>>>>> perhaps also to the southern tip of Arkansas. Some Cherokees went >>>>>> to >>>>>> Texas >>>>>> and then to Mexico. Most Cherokees were chased out of Texas after >>>>>> it >>>>>> became a >>>>>> Republic. However, a considerable number of Alabamas, Koasati's and >>>>>> Lower >>>>>> Creeks were allowed to stay in Texas because they had fought along >>>>>> side >>>>>> the >>>>>> Texans against the Mexicans. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I mentioned last week, also look for Friendly "Georgia" Creeks in >>>>>> Texas. >>>>>> The Friendly (Hitchiti-speaking) Creeks were promised that they >>>>>> could >>>>>> keep >>>>>> their farms in Georgia and South Carolina, but many were either >>>>>> illegally >>>>>> dispossessed or felt insecure in an anti-Indian political >>>>>> environment. >>>>>> The >>>>>> Friendly Creeks carried with them a hybrid culture that was a >>>>>> mixture >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> Mound-Builders and Scottish frontiersmen. Many also has aspirations >>>>>> of >>>>>> being >>>>>> planters or ranchers in Texas. Their descendants tended to blend in >>>>>> with >>>>>> the >>>>>> Texans since Creeks are not that different in appearance from >>>>>> Mexican >>>>>> Mestizos. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, when planning to serve possum for prominent guests or wedding >>>>>> parties, >>>>>> be sure and feed the possum cornbread and buttermilk for a couple of >>>>>> weeks >>>>>> before dressing them. Parboiling the possum for awhile will get rid >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> excess fat created by the cornbread and buttermilk. >>>>>> >>>>>> Richard T. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your >>>>>> budget? >>>>>> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >>>>>> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 >>>>>> ) >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without >>>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have read every Indian Treaty going and for many have listed anything extra that was in the treaty for easier finding. We have put these online by date http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/treaty/ Judy I think the Treaty of Indian Springs specified reserves to be given several leaders (traitors) who signed the treaty. However, I have read references to other reserves being given out to certain Creeks, per requests of Andy Jackson, or prominent generals/politicians. In particular, Timpoochee Barnard received special favors because he (in a weak moment) saved Jackson's life. My suggestion is to contact the Georgia Historical Society in Savannah to ask for a least. They have a web site. The GHS was founded in 1838 and its initial archives were composed of documents related to relations between the Colony/State of Georgia and the Indians. The veteran's reserves will probably not be listed in major treaties. Richard T. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. ( http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If it were that easy, half the people on this board would eligible for membership. My ancestors were granted land by the US govt for being Friendly Creeks and were also interpreters during the removal. My ancestors were also identified as ancestors to the present-day Poarch Band of Creeks (Atmore, AL) based on the anthropological report that was produced many moons ago. I believe you can find this document on the BIA website. My family has connections to Tarvin, Sizemore, Bailey, Stiggins, Boone, Pyburn, Weatherford, etc. However, the Poarch Band of Creeks has strict enrollment criteria: Poarch Band of Creek Indians previous Tribal Enrollment Rules required all applicants for Tribal Membership to have: A. Have an an Immediate Family Member on present Tribal Rolls for one to be eligible to enroll as a Poarch Tribal Member: B. And have a Direct Lineal Ancestor who is Identified as Indian on any one of the Identified three Federal Census Documents specified in the list below: C. An applicant must also prove by documentation, he or she has a calculated 1/4 minimum blood degree quantum, which is calculated from the each Fullblood Ancestor who is Identified on these three specified Federal Census. 1. An Ancestor Identified as Indian on the 1900 Monroe Co. Alabama U.S. Federal Special Indian Census. 2. An Ancestor Identified as Indian on the 1900 Escambia County, Alabama Federal Census. 3. An Ancestor Identified as Indian on the 1870 Escambia County, Alabama U.S. Federal Census. The Ruling of Applicants being required to have an Immediate Family Member, such as a Father, Mother, Brother or Sister on the Rolls in order to Enroll as a Poarch Tribal Member, has been recently been removed as a requirement. The Poarch Tribal Council did that because that had limited severely who they could enroll. Family members of the Chief could not be enrolled. Hope this helps, Amanda > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:56:39 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Eligibility for enrollment with the Poarch > Creek Band > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 8/6/2008 11:50:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I grew up 5 miles from the reservation and am proud of my Indian > heritage. > > > You are probably eligible for enrollment with the Poarch Creek Band, but not > necessarily. Check the internet for genealogical information on the mixed > blood families who were ancestors of the Poarch Creeks. They received their > reserves and exemption from deportation to Oklahoma because of working for the > US Army during the Removal Period. There are only certain families > eligible. You must prove descent from one of the households granted reserves. > > Richard T.

Hey Evelyn. The situation of reserves (especially in Georgia) is quite complex. Creek and Yuchi men who assisted the Patriots in the Revolution, or the United States Army in the Cherokee Wars and War of 1812 were offered reserves as veterans. However, at the same time, tribal owned land continually was being eroded away by treaties and land grabs. So, after the Red Stick War, the United States government demanded most of the Creek land in Georgia as punishment for the Georgia Creeks "letting the Red Sticks go to war" when in truth, the Red Stick War was initially a civil war between Creek Factions - with the Friendly Creeks of Eastern Georgia being neutral in the whole affair. They volunteered for a Creek Regiment that was intended to fight the British. YET while tribal lands were being taken away, individual Creeks were offered reserves with the stipulation that they become citizens of Georgia or Alabama - therefore, no longer members of the Creek Tribe. It was quite typical for a Creek who took a reserve to also change their race on the next Federal census, from Indian to White. Key leaders got large land grants, but other Creek soldiers received land grants on par with white soldiers. So to be certain of the title history of a supposed Creek ancestor, you really must go to the Clerk of Court's Deed Room and search the chain of deeds. Most of the reserves to Creek soldiers will never show up on treaties. Richard T. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

Richard T. wrote: Key leaders got large land grants, but other Creek soldiers received land grants on par with white soldiers. So to be certain of the title history of a supposed Creek ancestor, you really must go to the Clerk of Court's Deed Room and search the chain of deeds. Most of the reserves to Creek soldiers will never show up on treaties. Richard, I guess I need to re-phrase my question: Do you have a list of the Creeks in Georgia who received land grants AND which treaty in what year RESULTED in their being given a land grant? What criteria did they use to determine which Indian got land and which didn't? I did not mean the treaty itself actually listed names, etc. I am looking for specifics after the Creek land was relinquished BY treaty and then divided into individual allotments. I can locate all the treaties in history and I can locate the land which was being given up by the Creeks by dint of that treaty. The only names found on the treaty, of course, are the names of the signers. I cannot locate actual lists of individuals who received the land each time except for the Treaty of Ft. Jackson 1814. Has anyone searched through the records of the Clerk of Courts and listed the names and locations of the reserves? Like I said, I have a few from other land allotments but not a complete listing. Following the Treaty of Ft. Jackson 1814, David Brydie Mitchell, Indian Agent (and later governor of GA) revisited the Creek families who had made claims for depredations during the Creek Indian War 1813-1814. He took depositions from each one of them stating they had actively supported the U.S. during the hostilities and corroborating statements from neighbors and friends that they knew that person to have lived there before the war and to have supported the U.S. during the war. These affadavits provide wonderful family information. Are there documents like these for land allotments following other treaties? Hey, my knowledgeable friend, you know from our past correspondence that I am about genealogy through history......... Thanks and kind regards, Evelyn

Thanks Richard B, No the tribe is not State or Federally listed on the rolls. May be one you can buy a membership into. Look up Lost Cherokee Tribe, Arkansas and Missouri. I have some errands to run and will find the site for you to check out. Tks, Sam I know they do not make and sell NA jewelry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas,Louisiana and Texas > Sam, > I did not think they are recognized, but I do not have a need to know on > that one. > > There were some very early Cherokees settled vicinity of Dover... (I'm > getting a vision..)...:o) a significant school or church situation. This > is central to the area that John Jolly (chief of the Old Settlers) 1828/29 > , > was located (he maybe my connection, plus where Sam Huston "holed up" > before going on to his fame in TX ) and due south of there on the Arkansas > River is a large population of Cheroks and a very old Cherokee cemetery on > the bluffs above the river. > By the way, these places are getting in the neighborhood of where my > "pioneers" (Thomas Clark from TN in 1853/or 54) began,... in extreme > southwest Newton County , AR. Am probably related to Merle Haggard, he > claims to be from same place. Everybody (!!) is cuzn there. There are > some > folks that area who quit talking to me about genealogy (their ancestors > murdered my gggrandfather Thomas Clark, spring 1863). As I took apart the > last threads of information,... I had it and they just "shut up". > > If anyone encounters some research on a battle/attack (1st week of > February > , 1863) involving 7 members of the union 1st AR CAV , at Mulberry Springs, > AR, I surely would be interested. It was an attack on a log "compound" > against 35 Mankins or Manican Indians. I have looked some and believe > these Manikin/Mankins are originally from/part of the Powhatans in easter > Virginia ??). The inhabitants of the compound were paid partisans , hired > by Peter Mankins. I have read the military record, but hope there is more > info "out there". > > Richard B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:52 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking > forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > > >> Thanks Richard B., >> He is legit. His Uncle and Aunt are on the rolls and so was his grand >> parents and parents. >> His brother also. >> I understand the situation on the wanta bees. >> But, it is listed as the Lost Cherokee Nation, with no benefits, or >> Federal >> recognition. >> Arkansas and Missouri. >> The main office use to be in Clinton, Ark. and has now moved to Dover, >> Ark. >> if I am not mistaken. >> Thank you, my friend. >> >> Sam >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for >> ancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >> >> >>> Sam, >>> Not to disappoint, but there are many (many) wannabe fraudlent groups in >>> the >>> area you mention. Before you recognize them, you might want to find a >>> site >>> that lists all the federally recognized tribes and see if the group you >>> mention is on the list. >>> >>> I have "bumped" into some of these people and it is disturbing to see >>> them >>> using "enrollement cards" with numbers of their own manufacture. Part >>> of >>> the issue for me ( and others..) is they refer to themselves as Cherokee >>> tribe and represent craft work (with logos..) as authentic native >>> american. >>> To become one of them, the usually needed genealogy is a $20 /or check >>> made >>> out to them. I have not been arround any of them for a while (they got >>> to >>> know me..) , but I suspect they are still getting a high level of >>> membership >>> enrollment. Most of their starting dialog with strangers is" we are >>> descended from Inds who jumped off the boats,.. my ancestors escaped >>> from >>> the trail of tears.." (thats why we are here, etc..) Yuck. >>> >>> Richard B. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors >>> alwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>> >>> >>>> Richard B, >>>> I believe the Cherokee's in Ark. and Missouri, are referred to as the >>>> Lost >>>> Cherokee Tribe. A friend has his card, Lost Cherokee Tribe. (Arkansas >>>> and >>>> Missouri) >>>> >>>> Thanks, Sam >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:29 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always >>>> checkoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>>> >>>> >>>>> Richard T., when cooking the Opossom, I guess my ggrandmother forgot >>>>> to >>>>> "parboil" and went straight to the oven. Grease/oil level was half up >>>>> in >>>>> the baking pan, but I think they used to dip their homemade bread in >>>>> that. >>>>> That was one of the few foods I tried and did not acquire a taste for. >>>>> (too >>>>> much oil..). How do you get those roadkills to eat the >>>>> buttermilk/etc??? >>>>> >>>>> In locations for natives,.. remember that about 1817 was a treaty for >>>>> the >>>>> Cherokees (referred to as Old Settlers) to self emigrate to their >>>>> Reservation in north central Arkansas. (they stayed there until about >>>>> 1830) >>>>> when the reservation was dissolved in another treaty and the Old >>>>> Settlers >>>>> went to Ind Territory. 1817 look for "passport" allowing Inds >>>>> (reds...:o) >>>>> to travel. >>>>> >>>>> Sam Huston , the Texican, was very hooked to the Cherokees, he was >>>>> known >>>>> as >>>>> "The Raven" & book title same name , .. in his biography you see >>>>> much. >>>>> (one of my family names chief (John Jolly) , adopted him, but others >>>>> claim >>>>> not the same person. Neither of us can "proove" yes/no , but I have >>>>> some >>>>> paper trial for that!! >>>>> >>>>> Also, along with your good information, you did not mention 1811 >>>>> earthquake >>>>> SE Missouri "bootheel" , Cherokee living there with chief "Bowl" , >>>>> fled >>>>> to >>>>> TX , they considered the ground shake a bad medicine message or >>>>> something. >>>>> Quiz.. : Feds made 40 treaties with the Cherokee,.. how many of the >>>>> treaty >>>>> conditions were kept by this govt ?? (tune in this theatre next week >>>>> for >>>>> the answer..)!! >>>>> >>>>> Richard B. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:22 PM >>>>> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always check >>>>> outArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The mention about the new museum In Fort Smith, AK reminded of >>>>>> something >>>>>> I >>>>>> discovered in my research in the past. I found that thousands and >>>>>> thousands >>>>>> of Creeks and Cherokees went west prior to the Trail of Tears in the >>>>>> late >>>>>> 1830s. Very few went initially to Oklahoma because it was claimed by >>>>>> other >>>>>> tribes. Cherokees and Upper Creeks often went to Arkansas, sometimes >>>>>> to >>>>>> Missouri. >>>>>> Lower Creeks, Alabamas, and Koasati's went to Louisiana, Texas and >>>>>> Mexico - >>>>>> perhaps also to the southern tip of Arkansas. Some Cherokees went >>>>>> to >>>>>> Texas >>>>>> and then to Mexico. Most Cherokees were chased out of Texas after >>>>>> it >>>>>> became a >>>>>> Republic. However, a considerable number of Alabamas, Koasati's and >>>>>> Lower >>>>>> Creeks were allowed to stay in Texas because they had fought along >>>>>> side >>>>>> the >>>>>> Texans against the Mexicans. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I mentioned last week, also look for Friendly "Georgia" Creeks in >>>>>> Texas. >>>>>> The Friendly (Hitchiti-speaking) Creeks were promised that they >>>>>> could >>>>>> keep >>>>>> their farms in Georgia and South Carolina, but many were either >>>>>> illegally >>>>>> dispossessed or felt insecure in an anti-Indian political >>>>>> environment. >>>>>> The >>>>>> Friendly Creeks carried with them a hybrid culture that was a >>>>>> mixture >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> Mound-Builders and Scottish frontiersmen. Many also has aspirations >>>>>> of >>>>>> being >>>>>> planters or ranchers in Texas. Their descendants tended to blend in >>>>>> with >>>>>> the >>>>>> Texans since Creeks are not that different in appearance from >>>>>> Mexican >>>>>> Mestizos. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, when planning to serve possum for prominent guests or wedding >>>>>> parties, >>>>>> be sure and feed the possum cornbread and buttermilk for a couple of >>>>>> weeks >>>>>> before dressing them. Parboiling the possum for awhile will get rid >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> excess fat created by the cornbread and buttermilk. >>>>>> >>>>>> Richard T. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your >>>>>> budget? >>>>>> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >>>>>> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 >>>>>> ) >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without >>>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathie made a comment the other day concerning the Dawes Rolls: <This is complicated. If you are trying to understand it, let's keep with it until we all understand. Kathie > Boy, did she ever hit the nail on the head, and Kathie, I would like to add Reserves to that, also. Do you have a listing for the different land reserves "given" (for want of a better description) to different Creek groups following various treaties and the years they were given? The only one I have plenty of information on at my fingertips in my own files are the 30 reserves given to "certain friendly Chiefs and Indian countrymen" in 1817 for their service in the Creek war 1813-1814. The reason I have studied that one so much is because that happens to be my south Alabama family. However, I did have some in the 1830 (or 32?) reserves, also, but just piecemeal names and info and not a complete list. I have nothing on the Georgia Creeks and who received what and when. Were the same stipulations attached to each one, or did they change with each treaty as land was relinquished? There again, I know how it worked with the 1817 land but not the others. Also, one comment about the Dawes rolls. The testimony contained in some of the jackets for later descendants attempting to get enrolled in the Creek Nation West is heartbreaking. Some of them had been there ever since the removal or before while it was voluntary, but the Dawes Commission was totally heartless in their interviews and browbeat them so I'm surprised they could remember their own names. All that before telling many of them they were not eligible - so sad. Thanks! Evelyn Leslie

Dan Shadburn's CHEROKEE PLANTERS IN GEORGIA lists them which might include some Creek-mixed families Mary Elizabeth Young's REDSKINS RUFFLESHIRTS AND REDNECKS goes through the full extent of those records in a brief way but mostly for AL and MS from the removals forward. ----- Original Message ----- From: Evelyn S. Leslie To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Reserves in Georgia Richard T. wrote: Key leaders got large land grants, but other Creek soldiers received land grants on par with white soldiers. So to be certain of the title history of a supposed Creek ancestor, you really must go to the Clerk of Court's Deed Room and search the chain of deeds. Most of the reserves to Creek soldiers will never show up on treaties. Richard, I guess I need to re-phrase my question: Do you have a list of the Creeks in Georgia who received land grants AND which treaty in what year RESULTED in their being given a land grant? What criteria did they use to determine which Indian got land and which didn't? I did not mean the treaty itself actually listed names, etc. I am looking for specifics after the Creek land was relinquished BY treaty and then divided into individual allotments. I can locate all the treaties in history and I can locate the land which was being given up by the Creeks by dint of that treaty. The only names found on the treaty, of course, are the names of the signers. I cannot locate actual lists of individuals who received the land each time except for the Treaty of Ft. Jackson 1814. Has anyone searched through the records of the Clerk of Courts and listed the names and locations of the reserves? Like I said, I have a few from other land allotments but not a complete listing. Following the Treaty of Ft. Jackson 1814, David Brydie Mitchell, Indian Agent (and later governor of GA) revisited the Creek families who had made claims for depredations during the Creek Indian War 1813-1814. He took depositions from each one of them stating they had actively supported the U.S. during the hostilities and corroborating statements from neighbors and friends that they knew that person to have lived there before the war and to have supported the U.S. during the war. These affadavits provide wonderful family information. Are there documents like these for land allotments following other treaties? Hey, my knowledgeable friend, you know from our past correspondence that I am about genealogy through history......... Thanks and kind regards, Evelyn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Obviously, the Poarch Creeks can not let every Tom, Dick or Harry join the tribe, because it could soon become anything BUT an authentic Native American organization. However ... I do think it is ironic that most Southeastern Creek families spent 180 years trying to hide their Native American heritage and culture, and now many people are desperately trying to proof Creek descent. Until very late in their lives, any time we asked my grandparents about their Indian heritage, my grandmother would snap back, "I don't want to talk about it. They treated us worse than the Coloreds." Survival for Eastern Creeks often mandated invisibility and/or intermarriage with their European or African neighbors. The fact is that when the Creeks were living as Creeks in Creek communities, membership in the community had nothing to do with race or blood quantum. For starters, the Creek Confederacy, or People of One Fire was a political alliance formed by the remnants of many provinces, that had been decimated by Spanish diseases & weapons, and then by English-sponsored slave raids. People speaking several languages and dialects came together and chose Mvskoke as their diplomatic and trade language.These different ethnic groups looked different and had varying cultural traditions. One of the most powerful Creek towns, Tuckabachee, had originally been a Shawnee town. Even prior to the formation of the Creek Confederacy, there had been substantial gene infusions. There is a lot of evidence that Mesoamerican refugees arrived from time to time in the Southeast and blended their genes and culture with the Muskogeans. There is some evidence of small bands of Northern Europeans being absorbed into the Muskogean gene pool 1000-2000 years ago. Thousands of Muskogean women were ravaged by conquistadors in the 1500s and 1600s. There are historical records of Moors, Sephardic Jews and Portuguese men escaping Spanish expeditions and colonies to join the Muskogeans. By 1700 AD, many, if not most, Creeks carried some European and/or African genes. The reason was that mixed-blood Creeks were far more likely to survive a European plague than a full blood. There are many examples of pure European men and women being invited to become members of a tribal town in the 1700s. Several rose to positions of leadership. Their fellow Creeks considered them Creeks. So when one talks about a "full-blooded" Creek or Cherokee in the 1800s, we are not talking about them being the same people, genetically, as the indigenous people first met by the de Soto Expedition. They were merely mixed-gene members of a Creek tribal town, when the federal government first began conducting censuses of Native Americans. Richard T. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

Many Many thanks, Barb csmoke wrote: > What part of the country do you live? If you are near or within access > distance of one of the National Archives go there. I am thinking there is > an Archives in Atlanta, GA. (and other regionals). Richard > T. , may know that one. > > Regarding Dawes, first do your best research to know about your person of > interest. > Hope this gets you to Ft. Worth... > > Richard B. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "barbara keel" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:06 PM > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Question about Dawes Roll > > > >>> How does one go about finding out if the name on the list is indeed one's >>> gr grandmother? >>> >>> >>>

There is an archives and a records center of SE National Archives. Visit web site for complete information: http://www.archives.gov/southeast/

No longer in East Point. Here is new information: 5780 Jonesboro Road Morrow, Georgia 30260 Phone: 770-968-2100 Fax: 770-968-2547 Email: [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Federal archives > The Federal Archives are in East Point, GA - not too far south from > Downtown > Atlanta and a few miles north of the Atlanta Airport.

Sam, I did not think they are recognized, but I do not have a need to know on that one. There were some very early Cherokees settled vicinity of Dover... (I'm getting a vision..)...:o) a significant school or church situation. This is central to the area that John Jolly (chief of the Old Settlers) 1828/29 , was located (he maybe my connection, plus where Sam Huston "holed up" before going on to his fame in TX ) and due south of there on the Arkansas River is a large population of Cheroks and a very old Cherokee cemetery on the bluffs above the river. By the way, these places are getting in the neighborhood of where my "pioneers" (Thomas Clark from TN in 1853/or 54) began,... in extreme southwest Newton County , AR. Am probably related to Merle Haggard, he claims to be from same place. Everybody (!!) is cuzn there. There are some folks that area who quit talking to me about genealogy (their ancestors murdered my gggrandfather Thomas Clark, spring 1863). As I took apart the last threads of information,... I had it and they just "shut up". If anyone encounters some research on a battle/attack (1st week of February , 1863) involving 7 members of the union 1st AR CAV , at Mulberry Springs, AR, I surely would be interested. It was an attack on a log "compound" against 35 Mankins or Manican Indians. I have looked some and believe these Manikin/Mankins are originally from/part of the Powhatans in easter Virginia ??). The inhabitants of the compound were paid partisans , hired by Peter Mankins. I have read the military record, but hope there is more info "out there". Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking forancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > Thanks Richard B., > He is legit. His Uncle and Aunt are on the rolls and so was his grand > parents and parents. > His brother also. > I understand the situation on the wanta bees. > But, it is listed as the Lost Cherokee Nation, with no benefits, or > Federal > recognition. > Arkansas and Missouri. > The main office use to be in Clinton, Ark. and has now moved to Dover, > Ark. > if I am not mistaken. > Thank you, my friend. > > Sam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:56 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for > ancestorsalwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas > > >> Sam, >> Not to disappoint, but there are many (many) wannabe fraudlent groups in >> the >> area you mention. Before you recognize them, you might want to find a >> site >> that lists all the federally recognized tribes and see if the group you >> mention is on the list. >> >> I have "bumped" into some of these people and it is disturbing to see >> them >> using "enrollement cards" with numbers of their own manufacture. Part of >> the issue for me ( and others..) is they refer to themselves as Cherokee >> tribe and represent craft work (with logos..) as authentic native >> american. >> To become one of them, the usually needed genealogy is a $20 /or check >> made >> out to them. I have not been arround any of them for a while (they got >> to >> know me..) , but I suspect they are still getting a high level of >> membership >> enrollment. Most of their starting dialog with strangers is" we are >> descended from Inds who jumped off the boats,.. my ancestors escaped from >> the trail of tears.." (thats why we are here, etc..) Yuck. >> >> Richard B. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors >> alwayscheckoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >> >> >>> Richard B, >>> I believe the Cherokee's in Ark. and Missouri, are referred to as the >>> Lost >>> Cherokee Tribe. A friend has his card, Lost Cherokee Tribe. (Arkansas >>> and >>> Missouri) >>> >>> Thanks, Sam >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:29 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always >>> checkoutArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>> >>> >>>> Richard T., when cooking the Opossom, I guess my ggrandmother forgot to >>>> "parboil" and went straight to the oven. Grease/oil level was half up >>>> in >>>> the baking pan, but I think they used to dip their homemade bread in >>>> that. >>>> That was one of the few foods I tried and did not acquire a taste for. >>>> (too >>>> much oil..). How do you get those roadkills to eat the >>>> buttermilk/etc??? >>>> >>>> In locations for natives,.. remember that about 1817 was a treaty for >>>> the >>>> Cherokees (referred to as Old Settlers) to self emigrate to their >>>> Reservation in north central Arkansas. (they stayed there until about >>>> 1830) >>>> when the reservation was dissolved in another treaty and the Old >>>> Settlers >>>> went to Ind Territory. 1817 look for "passport" allowing Inds >>>> (reds...:o) >>>> to travel. >>>> >>>> Sam Huston , the Texican, was very hooked to the Cherokees, he was >>>> known >>>> as >>>> "The Raven" & book title same name , .. in his biography you see much. >>>> (one of my family names chief (John Jolly) , adopted him, but others >>>> claim >>>> not the same person. Neither of us can "proove" yes/no , but I have >>>> some >>>> paper trial for that!! >>>> >>>> Also, along with your good information, you did not mention 1811 >>>> earthquake >>>> SE Missouri "bootheel" , Cherokee living there with chief "Bowl" , fled >>>> to >>>> TX , they considered the ground shake a bad medicine message or >>>> something. >>>> Quiz.. : Feds made 40 treaties with the Cherokee,.. how many of the >>>> treaty >>>> conditions were kept by this govt ?? (tune in this theatre next week >>>> for >>>> the answer..)!! >>>> >>>> Richard B. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:22 PM >>>> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] In looking for ancestors always check >>>> outArkansas, Louisiana and Texas >>>> >>>> >>>>> The mention about the new museum In Fort Smith, AK reminded of >>>>> something >>>>> I >>>>> discovered in my research in the past. I found that thousands and >>>>> thousands >>>>> of Creeks and Cherokees went west prior to the Trail of Tears in the >>>>> late >>>>> 1830s. Very few went initially to Oklahoma because it was claimed by >>>>> other >>>>> tribes. Cherokees and Upper Creeks often went to Arkansas, sometimes >>>>> to >>>>> Missouri. >>>>> Lower Creeks, Alabamas, and Koasati's went to Louisiana, Texas and >>>>> Mexico - >>>>> perhaps also to the southern tip of Arkansas. Some Cherokees went to >>>>> Texas >>>>> and then to Mexico. Most Cherokees were chased out of Texas after it >>>>> became a >>>>> Republic. However, a considerable number of Alabamas, Koasati's and >>>>> Lower >>>>> Creeks were allowed to stay in Texas because they had fought along >>>>> side >>>>> the >>>>> Texans against the Mexicans. >>>>> >>>>> As I mentioned last week, also look for Friendly "Georgia" Creeks in >>>>> Texas. >>>>> The Friendly (Hitchiti-speaking) Creeks were promised that they could >>>>> keep >>>>> their farms in Georgia and South Carolina, but many were either >>>>> illegally >>>>> dispossessed or felt insecure in an anti-Indian political >>>>> environment. >>>>> The >>>>> Friendly Creeks carried with them a hybrid culture that was a mixture >>>>> of >>>>> the >>>>> Mound-Builders and Scottish frontiersmen. Many also has aspirations >>>>> of >>>>> being >>>>> planters or ranchers in Texas. Their descendants tended to blend in >>>>> with >>>>> the >>>>> Texans since Creeks are not that different in appearance from Mexican >>>>> Mestizos. >>>>> >>>>> Also, when planning to serve possum for prominent guests or wedding >>>>> parties, >>>>> be sure and feed the possum cornbread and buttermilk for a couple of >>>>> weeks >>>>> before dressing them. Parboiling the possum for awhile will get rid >>>>> of >>>>> the >>>>> excess fat created by the cornbread and buttermilk. >>>>> >>>>> Richard T. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your >>>>> budget? >>>>> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >>>>> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 >>>>> ) >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Judy, Thanks for the link! My info was about 5-6 yrs old , so I'm outta the loop. If they have your person, you have it made!! Thanks. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy White" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Question about Dawes Roll > Someone asked the quetion about what is in the packet. If you go here > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/packets/ > you will find some packets that we have put online that other people have > provided. > > I metioned earlier about being able to get the packets online from > Footnote, > a monthly subscription is like $7.95, which is much cheaper than the > National Archive or Oklahoma History Center and you get the information > right now. > > Judy > > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:16 PM, csmoke <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What part of the country do you live? If you are near or within access >> distance of one of the National Archives go there. I am thinking there >> is >> an Archives in Atlanta, GA. (and other regionals). >> Richard >> T. , may know that one. >> >> Regarding Dawes, first do your best research to know about your person of >> interest. Have their (your own known ancestor)'s best identification you >> can. Things like their full name, where they were living (year) at the >> time >> of a census date, the post office address for them, etc. The reason for >> this is for the archives to verify exactly who you are asking about. >> >> On the Dawes roll, there are two numbers by your person's name... Census >> Number and Allotment Number, have both when talking to the Archives. If >> your person was in a household with others... those in the home will all >> share the same census number , but only the Allotment number will be >> unique >> to that individual. (so.., if there were 4,5, etc in the same home and >> you >> know them to possibly be relatives... copy all their numbers to have >> available to the archives). >> >> Then, your resourse room at your large library, should provide you with a >> request form for information , this is "similar" to the form for getting >> union civil war soldier's pension records. Fill the form best you can >> and >> also a cover letter with as much identification/person , and send to the >> 'National Archives in Ft. Worth, Texas... asking for the "Census Packet >> File >> / & Dawes Application" / your person's name . Write at the top of your >> page >> "Please send all copies". Ft. Worth has all the existing original packet >> files. >> >> These records are kept in "packets" and ask for "All copies". The Dawes >> application was a standard form of 10 or 20 questions, for the applicant >> to >> prove their identity and being native/elgible.... In addition to the >> application, you may get letters (from your ancestor , a lawyer, etc.) to >> the government. All this was kept in a packet tied up with a ribbon.... >> & >> the person's name/number on the outside. >> >> The archives as I recall does not charge to start, but when I last knew , >> & >> they locate the file, it was a $25 fee for up to 20 pages , then .50 cts >> per >> page above that. One file I obtained , had 55 pages, but the information >> was incredible. Fee is likely higher now, what isn't. >> >> Hope this gets you to Ft. Worth... >> >> Richard B. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "barbara keel" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:06 PM >> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Question about Dawes Roll >> >> >> > >> >> How does one go about finding out if the name on the list is indeed >> one's >> >> gr grandmother? >> >> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Ft. Worth , has the originals of the Dawes records... they are western records of western events. I suggested any regional archives, since if you go there... they know where records are and will help you get the information from the right place. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Timothy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Federal archives > But, they don't have the same information about Indians as does Ft. Worth, > do they? I also asking is it as complete as well? TT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:50 PM > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Federal archives > > >> The Federal Archives are in East Point, GA - not too far south from >> Downtown >> Atlanta and a few miles north of the Atlanta Airport. >> >> >> >> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your >> budget? >> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 >> ) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

But, they don't have the same information about Indians as does Ft. Worth, do they? I also asking is it as complete as well? TT ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Federal archives > The Federal Archives are in East Point, GA - not too far south from > Downtown > Atlanta and a few miles north of the Atlanta Airport. > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >