Thank you, I will surely check it out. Tks again, Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathie M. Donahue" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Creek Indian Bounty Lands - Warriors A-E > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~texlance/bountyland/bountyland(warrior)1.htm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Tanasa (called Taensa by the French and Tenesaw by the Alabama Creeks) were also on the Upper Tennessee River on Hiwassee Island. The town of Tanasa-ke O'lamikko (Capital of the Tanasa People) was visited by both de Soto and de Pardo. The Castilians called the town Tanasque Olamico. In the late 1600s the Colony of South Carolina sent a diplomatic mission to the Tanasa in order to open up trade relations. At this time, the area that the Unicoi Trail passed through in the Georgia and North Carolina mountains was occupied by Creek communities. Therefore, the South Carolinians used Creek guides. The Tanasa satellite villages along the Tennessee River were called Tanasi (or Tanasee) meaning Children of Tanasa. The Creeks used their version of the word, Tenesi or Tenesee. Their names for towns in the Southern Highlands were what was recorded on the first map of the Southern Highlands produced by the colonial government. Hence we have the origin of the name of the Tennessee River and the State of Tennessee. The Little Tennessee River starts in the NE corner of Georgia and then flows through the North Carolina and Tennessee mountains to join the Tennessee near Loudon, TN. At that time, it was labeled the Tahlako or Talako River (Bean River) probably from the name of a major town on the river. When occupied by the Cherokees a few years later, it became known either as the Tahlaqua or Tellico River. This is the origin of the name of the Cherokee capital in Oklahoma - Tahlequah Richard T. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

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You can also find the Jesuits here http://www.nanations.com/jesuits_in_north_america.htm. We do have several other books on Canada as well http://www.canadiangenealogy.net/indian_index.htm Judy On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Kathie M. Donahue <[email protected]>wrote: > The Metis Genealogical Society of Spokane, WA, was where I learned > genealogy, first. Members of that group, in the 1970's and 1980's were > descended from Flandreau Sioux, Plains Cree, Turtle Mountain Chippewa and > Salish-speaking tribes of WA, ID, and MT. > > Tribes, today, with a broadly-interpreted metis background include those of > the Great Lakes, the Dakotas, MT, ID, WA, OR, and some just south of those > northern tier states. The word, metis (feminine = metisse) is French for > mixed blood. The Red River (Winnipeg) metis were strictly considered, at > one time, to be, mixed Scots and Cree. > > Sources of genealogical information about these people can be found in many > Quebec genealogical dictionaries (Tanguay, Jette, Drouin [now online at > ancestry.com]) and some Quebec marriage repertoires (lists) such as Rivest > and Loiselle. Gail Morin, who lives just north of me near Coulee Dam, WA, > is the author of a significant group of books and CD's published by Quentin > Publications on the metis of the plains. The Red River, Manitoba, censuses > 1830-1870 are full of metis families. Interesting reading about the metis > on the subject of Louis Riel is an eye-opener to political standing of these > great people. Sprague and Frye's GENEALOGIES OF THE FIRST METIS NATION mix > church and census records of the Red River era in a great reference on the > early families. The Half-breed Scrip records of Canada and the Great Lakes > lend even more detail to the picture. One of the most recent metis groups > in the US to gain a reservation were the Rocky Boy. They were the > descendants of the! > Landless Chippewa of Montana who occupied a hill in Helena, MT, for many > years, poor and desititute, living in shanties and impossible conditions. > > The foregoing is sketchy, but you can get the general idea. > > The Acadian people, many of whom migrated from Nova Scotia (formerly > Acadia) to Louisiana are another story, although Acadians may be found all > over the world, even in France. There were significant groups along the > east coast of the US; all up and down the Mississippi; in Quebec, Ontario > and Manitoba and other places. Many were mixed blood before they ever left > Acadia. > > The Acadian genealogy is almost a known-quantity. Their origin in Acadia > and exit time is fairly certain which makes for a straight-forward type of > research. There are Acadian Genealogical Societies and experts, today, who > can help show the way. A recent book by Stephen White ought to be looked at > in one's Acadian research efforts. > > Well, that's the surface of it and maybe there's enough there to help. > There's a possibility some of the Acadian would be found among the Choctaw > and Chickasaw and certainly any of the tribes of LA (now, Cajuns, the local > corruption of Acadian). The catholics weren't allowed up into the heartland > of Alabama. Had the Jesuits made it up there, early (the 1700's), I think > we would have some dy-no-mite records to follow in untangling the mysteries > among the Creeks. But alas, they were kept away. > > Jesuit Relations and Allied Documents > http://puffin.creighton.edu/jesuit/relations/ is a wonderful history and > insight into the missionary efforts of these great priests who trod (often > barefoot) among the Indians and early communities of the Americas. Have a > look. Without their zeal, I wouldn't have the name of my earliest Indian > grandmother, Charlotte, an Okanogan, born, probably, in the Methow Valley of > WA in the first decade of the 19th century. > > In researching French-sounding surnames, don't forget the Huguenots. Those > that took over Manakin-town near Richmond, VA, in 1700, displaced and > absorbed many Saponi families, according the Dr. Peter Houck, author of > INDIAN ISLAND IN AMHERST VIRGINIA. Many of those families pushed west or > took ship to Louisiana and Texas in the early days. > > >From several genealogies I've studied, but not been able to actually prove > Indian blood in, I've thought there were significant numbers of mixed bloods > among the Austin colonists of Texas. These were not generally > French-originated families but they were families that were found early > among the first settlers of KY, OH, and IN, among many other states, who > originated in the Mid-Atlantic states, VA and the Carolinas. > > I am being very general, here, and intending only to give clues to things. > If you have questions of corrections, that will be good. I have not dealt > with several of these subjects in any great depth and not for many years, as > most of my work has been among the Five Civilized Tribes. But I love to > work on the French lineages of the Indian people because the Jesuits were > hard at work with them, early, and provide wonderful records to their > histories. > > If you cut your teeth on Quebec and Jesuit records, as a greenie, as I did, > you thought, at the outset, "Hey, THIS is easy!" Well, it was, relatively > speaking. Reality, however, soon dawned. Not every ancestor is Catholic > and not every Catholic was ministered to by a Jesuit....and outside of > Quebec, where churches had to keep records in duplicate and triplicate, even > Catholic records were hard to find in a direct line from early times > forward. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Use word find to locate Tensa or Taensa on this page and you will see some interesting references pertaining to the Creek and Choctaw: http://puffin.creighton.edu/jesuit/relations/relations_65.html

The Metis Genealogical Society of Spokane, WA, was where I learned genealogy, first. Members of that group, in the 1970's and 1980's were descended from Flandreau Sioux, Plains Cree, Turtle Mountain Chippewa and Salish-speaking tribes of WA, ID, and MT. Tribes, today, with a broadly-interpreted metis background include those of the Great Lakes, the Dakotas, MT, ID, WA, OR, and some just south of those northern tier states. The word, metis (feminine = metisse) is French for mixed blood. The Red River (Winnipeg) metis were strictly considered, at one time, to be, mixed Scots and Cree. Sources of genealogical information about these people can be found in many Quebec genealogical dictionaries (Tanguay, Jette, Drouin [now online at ancestry.com]) and some Quebec marriage repertoires (lists) such as Rivest and Loiselle. Gail Morin, who lives just north of me near Coulee Dam, WA, is the author of a significant group of books and CD's published by Quentin Publications on the metis of the plains. The Red River, Manitoba, censuses 1830-1870 are full of metis families. Interesting reading about the metis on the subject of Louis Riel is an eye-opener to political standing of these great people. Sprague and Frye's GENEALOGIES OF THE FIRST METIS NATION mix church and census records of the Red River era in a great reference on the early families. The Half-breed Scrip records of Canada and the Great Lakes lend even more detail to the picture. One of the most recent metis groups in the US to gain a reservation were the Rocky Boy. They were the descendants of the Landless Chippewa of Montana who occupied a hill in Helena, MT, for many years, poor and desititute, living in shanties and impossible conditions. The foregoing is sketchy, but you can get the general idea. The Acadian people, many of whom migrated from Nova Scotia (formerly Acadia) to Louisiana are another story, although Acadians may be found all over the world, even in France. There were significant groups along the east coast of the US; all up and down the Mississippi; in Quebec, Ontario and Manitoba and other places. Many were mixed blood before they ever left Acadia. The Acadian genealogy is almost a known-quantity. Their origin in Acadia and exit time is fairly certain which makes for a straight-forward type of research. There are Acadian Genealogical Societies and experts, today, who can help show the way. A recent book by Stephen White ought to be looked at in one's Acadian research efforts. Well, that's the surface of it and maybe there's enough there to help. There's a possibility some of the Acadian would be found among the Choctaw and Chickasaw and certainly any of the tribes of LA (now, Cajuns, the local corruption of Acadian). The catholics weren't allowed up into the heartland of Alabama. Had the Jesuits made it up there, early (the 1700's), I think we would have some dy-no-mite records to follow in untangling the mysteries among the Creeks. But alas, they were kept away. Jesuit Relations and Allied Documents http://puffin.creighton.edu/jesuit/relations/ is a wonderful history and insight into the missionary efforts of these great priests who trod (often barefoot) among the Indians and early communities of the Americas. Have a look. Without their zeal, I wouldn't have the name of my earliest Indian grandmother, Charlotte, an Okanogan, born, probably, in the Methow Valley of WA in the first decade of the 19th century. In researching French-sounding surnames, don't forget the Huguenots. Those that took over Manakin-town near Richmond, VA, in 1700, displaced and absorbed many Saponi families, according the Dr. Peter Houck, author of INDIAN ISLAND IN AMHERST VIRGINIA. Many of those families pushed west or took ship to Louisiana and Texas in the early days. >From several genealogies I've studied, but not been able to actually prove Indian blood in, I've thought there were significant numbers of mixed bloods among the Austin colonists of Texas. These were not generally French-originated families but they were families that were found early among the first settlers of KY, OH, and IN, among many other states, who originated in the Mid-Atlantic states, VA and the Carolinas. I am being very general, here, and intending only to give clues to things. If you have questions of corrections, that will be good. I have not dealt with several of these subjects in any great depth and not for many years, as most of my work has been among the Five Civilized Tribes. But I love to work on the French lineages of the Indian people because the Jesuits were hard at work with them, early, and provide wonderful records to their histories. If you cut your teeth on Quebec and Jesuit records, as a greenie, as I did, you thought, at the outset, "Hey, THIS is easy!" Well, it was, relatively speaking. Reality, however, soon dawned. Not every ancestor is Catholic and not every Catholic was ministered to by a Jesuit....and outside of Quebec, where churches had to keep records in duplicate and triplicate, even Catholic records were hard to find in a direct line from early times forward.

Guess I got my locations and people mixed up. Very early there were considerable French (fur trapping) in the north who produced mixed bloods (Cree and others). Early French exited en masse to state Louisana . Thanks. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathie M. Donahue" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Memberships > In the Great Plains area of Canada, around Winnipeg (Red River) the metis, > strictly speaking, were originally the people of Scots and Cree mixture. > > Today, though, it is as you say. > > Kathie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: csmoke > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Memberships > > > Rainbow, > I do not know what new idears are up about Metis, but I think of them as > originally the half blood mix of 1/2 French and 1/2 (Canada) Cree. They > resided as a tribe or band in the north west U.S.A. , just south of the > Canada border. A distinct people. > > There are rendezvous style gatherings up in the country mentioned and one > of > their characterizations are the beautiful finger woven wool yarn belt > sashes > and woven knee garters. I think I have a link to one of their event > sites. > > There are some moderns in various parts of the U.S. , who have convinced > themselves that .. "hey" I'm part Ind and part white european... I am > Metis!! I do not care for a position on this (although already > invited..) > , but I would lump this outlook as new age for lack of better. Guess I'm > brushing too broad. > > Richard B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 2:49 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Memberships > > > > Since the subject is relating to many tribes...has anyone ever heard of > or > > is a member of the Metis Tribe listed as United Me'tis Nation of the US > > Florida State Office. > > > > I am most curious. > > > > Thanking each of you who take the time to read this entry and/or > respond. > > > > RainbowO > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JMSchohn <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:05 pm > > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Current Creek Membership > > > > > > > > I have served for many years as tribal historian and federal > recognition > > officer. So I can tell you that the ability to speak a unique language > is > > not a > > requirement but can be used to fulfill the cultural continuity > > requirement. > > > > I would also not assume that every state recognized tribe is a fraud > and > > that > > the only "real" tribes are federal ones. My tribe is state recognized. > We > > are in > > the process of status clarification with the federal government. I was > > told by > > one of the historians at the BIA that our people had one of the easiest > > paths to > > federal recognition of any of the remaining unrecognized tribes and > that > > it was > > just a matter of putting the documents together. > > > > Does this mean every state tribe is legitimate? Of course not. But > don't > > paint > > them all with one brush. There are many tribes, particularly in the > > southeast, > > that remain in tribal communities, that govern themselves through the > > churches > > they established when their traditional religion was outlawed. I > > personally can > > document my tribe from first contact. And I can demonstrate that ever > > single > > member is descended either from a soldier who fought in a company in > the > > Revolutionary War that was identified as a PeeDee Indian company or > from > > someone > > who lived in the communities with them. Most of our people descend from > > more > > than one of those soldiers. I personally descend from four of them. > > > > When the Catawba had their federal recognition restored in the 1990s, > > suddenly > > federal Indians who had denounced them as not real Indians suddenly > > accepted > > them as such. And Chief Blue, to his credit, told them they were lap > dogs > > to the > > BIA for treating the Catawba as something less than a tribe until the > > federal > > government said they were. > > > > We are not Indians at the whim of the U.S. government, and we are a > tribe > > whether they recognize us or not. We seek recognition because of the > > benefits it > > could bring to the quality of life of our people, not because it will > make > > us > > Indian. The Creator already did that. > > > > ......stepping off my soapbox now..... > > ... > > > > Michelle > > > > > > > > In a message dated 08/09/08 11:53:00 Eastern Standard Time, > > [email protected] > > writes: > > Isn't that a little over assuming the state officials are much more > > ignorant > > than federal officials, or won't seek further information from > creditable > > individuals? Everything can be traced back to some kind of money in > some > > way....either having to give or to keep from taking....but present or > > future > > finances are always involved. This is an observation and opinion as > > well. > > TT > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:58 AM > > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Current Creek Membership > > > > > >> Leon, > >> I do not know all the fed reqirement for being recognized, but do know > >> that you can add speaking their unique language. And I think there is > >> something about all these tests met and being in existence for 200 or > >> more > > years. > >> There is a "native site" (commanchelodge..) that I think lists > criteria > >> for recognition, plus a listing of all the recognized tribes. > >> > >> So, I think you could go to the site I mentioned and see who is > federally > >> recognized. There are state (only) recognized groups (who may be > >> legitimate in many ways and have a good heart...) , but I hear that > the > > problem with > >> that is a " local" chief or whatever can blow a smoke at the state > >> bureaucrats...throw in some genealogy/etc, and the state officials do > not > >> know nothing from nothing.... it looks ok, recognize them. Does not > mean > >> anything special.. my view. > >> > >> Richard B. > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body > > of > > the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Thanks Richard B and Kathie for your interesting response to my inquiry of the Metis nation. It is appreciated more than words can express. Have a blessed day. RainbowO -----Original Message----- From: Kathie M. Donahue <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 1:08 am Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Memberships In the Great Plains area of Canada, around Winnipeg (Red River) the metis, strictly speaking, were originally the people of Scots and Cree mixture. Today, though, it is as you say. Kathie ----- Original Message ----- From: csmoke To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Memberships Rainbow, I do not know what new idears are up about Metis, but I think of them as originally the half blood mix of 1/2 French and 1/2 (Canada) Cree. They resided as a tribe or band in the north west U.S.A. , just south of the Canada border. A distinct people. There are rendezvous style gatherings up in the country mentioned and one of their characterizations are the beautiful finger woven wool yarn belt sashes and woven knee garters. I think I have a link to one of their event sites. There are some moderns in various parts of the U.S. , who have convinced themselves that .. "hey" I'm part Ind and part white european... I am Metis!! I do not care for a position on this (although already invited..) , but I would lump this outlook as new age for lack of better. Guess I'm brushing too broad. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Memberships > Since the subject is relating to many tribes...has anyone ever heard of or > is a member of the Metis Tribe listed as United Me'tis Nation of the US > Florida State Office. > > I am most curious. > > Thanking each of you who take the time to read this entry and/or respond. > > RainbowO > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JMSchohn <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:05 pm > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Current Creek Membership > > > > I have served for many years as tribal historian and federal reco gnition > officer. So I can tell you that the ability to speak a unique language is > not a > requirement but can be used to fulfill the cultural continuity > requirement. > > I would also not assume that every state recognized tribe is a fraud and > that > the only "real" tribes are federal ones. My tribe is state recognized. We > are in > the process of status clarification with the federal government. I was > told by > one of the historians at the BIA that our people had one of the easiest > paths to > federal recognition of any of the remaining unrecognized tribes and that > it was > just a matter of putting the documents together. > > Does this mean every state tribe is legitimate? Of course not. But don't > paint > them all with one brush. There are many tribes, particularly in the > southeast, > that remain in tribal communities, that govern themselves through the > churches > they established when their traditional religion was outlawed. I > personally can > document my tribe from first contact. And I can demonstrate that ever > single > member is descended either from a soldier who fought in a company in the > Revolutionary War that was identified as a PeeDee Indian company or from > someone > who lived in the communities with them. Most of our people descend from > more > than one of those soldiers. I personally descend from four of them. > > When the Catawba had their federal recognition restored in the 1990s, > suddenly > federal Indians who had denounced them as not real Indians suddenly > accepted > them as such. And Chief Blue, to his credit, told them they were lap dogs > to the > BIA for treating the Catawba as something less than a tribe until the > federal > government said they were. > > We are not Indians at the whim of the U.S. government, and we are a tribe > whether they recognize us or not. We seek recognition because of the > benefits it > could bring to the quality of life of our people, not because it will make > us > Indian. The Creator already did that. > > ......stepping off my soapbox now..... > ... > > Michelle > > > > In a message dated 08/09/08 11:53:00 Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] > writes: > Isn't that a little over assuming the state officials are much more > ignorant > than federal officials, or won't seek further information from creditable > individuals? Everything can be traced back to some kind of money in some > way....either having to give or to keep from taking....but present or > future > finances are always involved. This is an observation and opinion as > well. > TT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:58 AM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Current Creek Membership > > >> Leon, >> I do not know all the fed reqirement for being recognized, but do know >> that you can add speaking their unique language. And I think there is >> something about all these tests met and being in existence for 200 or >> more > years. >> There is a "native site" (commanchelodge..) that I think lists criteria >> for recognition, plus a listing of all the recognized tribes. >> >> So, I think you could go to the site I mentioned and see who is federally >> recognized. There are state (only) recognized groups (who may be >> legitimate in many ways and have a good heart...) , but I hear that the > problem with >> that is a " local" chief or whatever can blow a smoke at the state >> bureaucrats...throw in some genealogy/etc, and the state officials do not >> know nothing from nothing.... it looks ok, recognize them. Does not mean >> anything special.. my view. >> >> Richard B. >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] web.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the Great Plains area of Canada, around Winnipeg (Red River) the metis, strictly speaking, were originally the people of Scots and Cree mixture. Today, though, it is as you say. Kathie ----- Original Message ----- From: csmoke To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Memberships Rainbow, I do not know what new idears are up about Metis, but I think of them as originally the half blood mix of 1/2 French and 1/2 (Canada) Cree. They resided as a tribe or band in the north west U.S.A. , just south of the Canada border. A distinct people. There are rendezvous style gatherings up in the country mentioned and one of their characterizations are the beautiful finger woven wool yarn belt sashes and woven knee garters. I think I have a link to one of their event sites. There are some moderns in various parts of the U.S. , who have convinced themselves that .. "hey" I'm part Ind and part white european... I am Metis!! I do not care for a position on this (although already invited..) , but I would lump this outlook as new age for lack of better. Guess I'm brushing too broad. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Memberships > Since the subject is relating to many tribes...has anyone ever heard of or > is a member of the Metis Tribe listed as United Me'tis Nation of the US > Florida State Office. > > I am most curious. > > Thanking each of you who take the time to read this entry and/or respond. > > RainbowO > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JMSchohn <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:05 pm > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Current Creek Membership > > > > I have served for many years as tribal historian and federal recognition > officer. So I can tell you that the ability to speak a unique language is > not a > requirement but can be used to fulfill the cultural continuity > requirement. > > I would also not assume that every state recognized tribe is a fraud and > that > the only "real" tribes are federal ones. My tribe is state recognized. We > are in > the process of status clarification with the federal government. I was > told by > one of the historians at the BIA that our people had one of the easiest > paths to > federal recognition of any of the remaining unrecognized tribes and that > it was > just a matter of putting the documents together. > > Does this mean every state tribe is legitimate? Of course not. But don't > paint > them all with one brush. There are many tribes, particularly in the > southeast, > that remain in tribal communities, that govern themselves through the > churches > they established when their traditional religion was outlawed. I > personally can > document my tribe from first contact. And I can demonstrate that ever > single > member is descended either from a soldier who fought in a company in the > Revolutionary War that was identified as a PeeDee Indian company or from > someone > who lived in the communities with them. Most of our people descend from > more > than one of those soldiers. I personally descend from four of them. > > When the Catawba had their federal recognition restored in the 1990s, > suddenly > federal Indians who had denounced them as not real Indians suddenly > accepted > them as such. And Chief Blue, to his credit, told them they were lap dogs > to the > BIA for treating the Catawba as something less than a tribe until the > federal > government said they were. > > We are not Indians at the whim of the U.S. government, and we are a tribe > whether they recognize us or not. We seek recognition because of the > benefits it > could bring to the quality of life of our people, not because it will make > us > Indian. The Creator already did that. > > ......stepping off my soapbox now..... > ... > > Michelle > > > > In a message dated 08/09/08 11:53:00 Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] > writes: > Isn't that a little over assuming the state officials are much more > ignorant > than federal officials, or won't seek further information from creditable > individuals? Everything can be traced back to some kind of money in some > way....either having to give or to keep from taking....but present or > future > finances are always involved. This is an observation and opinion as > well. > TT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:58 AM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Current Creek Membership > > >> Leon, >> I do not know all the fed reqirement for being recognized, but do know >> that you can add speaking their unique language. And I think there is >> something about all these tests met and being in existence for 200 or >> more > years. >> There is a "native site" (commanchelodge..) that I think lists criteria >> for recognition, plus a listing of all the recognized tribes. >> >> So, I think you could go to the site I mentioned and see who is federally >> recognized. There are state (only) recognized groups (who may be >> legitimate in many ways and have a good heart...) , but I hear that the > problem with >> that is a " local" chief or whatever can blow a smoke at the state >> bureaucrats...throw in some genealogy/etc, and the state officials do not >> know nothing from nothing.... it looks ok, recognize them. Does not mean >> anything special.. my view. >> >> Richard B. >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Certainly ! Please let me know if you see anything about where and when Charles Weatherford died---and "proof" of his Weatherford Grandfather's name. gmw

I had read somewhere that there was at one time a community of indians in Elbert co. Ga, but can't remember the name of the community.. I did read that some Chowan Indians ( Robbins family ) lived for a time in Elbert Co. Ga, before moving on towards DeKalb Co. Ga. --- On Fri, 8/8/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Creeks in western SC and northeastern > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 8:11 PM > >From what I could tell, the Creeks on both sides of the > Savannah River > married back and forth during the 1800s. Abbeville, SC, > Greenwood, SC, > Anderson, SC, Ninety-Six, SC. Hartwell, GA, Elberton, GA > Hawkinsville, GA, > Sparta, GA were locations where I frequently saw marital > interchanges. > > Richard T. > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and > fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Good Morning Everybody! Both my dogs and I were anxious to get out into the wilderness yesterday and perhaps I should have gone into more detail in my blog about mixed heritage. The comments on the list concerning New Agers shanghaiing Native American culture and making it into a false religion were especially accurate. First, Michelle, you will be happy to hear that recently I set the Boy Scouts straight. I was one of the youngest Eagle Scouts ever, but because of a snooty clique of air line pilot kids in our scout troop in College Park, GA, I was never invited to join the Order of the Arrow. I was also the only Native American in the troop, yet all the high-ranking scouts in my troop, but me, got to wear the fancy, store-bought Sioux head-dresses. However, being that an Eagle Scout had complained, the BSA did respond to my complaint. I stumbled upon an official Georgia Boy Scout web site that stated Etowah was a Cherokee town and that the Cherokees built all the mounds in a seven state area of the Southeast. The web site also stated that the Cherokees had lived in Georgia for thousands of years. Some web site consultant had copied a tourist brochure from Cherokee, NC verbatim. Eventually, an official of the BSA responded to my complaint of inaccuracy and asked me to re-write the section of the web site on Native Americans! At any rate, there is something that genetics, BIA regulations and federal laws can not quantify or even identify. My personal experience has been that there is such a thing as a Native American soul. That soul has special spiritual traits and gifts. Phil Whitley obviously has one. I still suspect that he has a Creek ancestor out there somewhere, or else some time in his life, a grandfather spirit became his guardian angel. I know from personal experience that there is a very strong Creek spiritual presence west of Riverdale (where Phil lives) in the vicinity of Old National Highway and then down into Fayette County. The presence of a Native American soul, is the only way one can explain why it is typical for one or more siblings in a mixed-heritage family to be drawn to things Native American almost from the day they can walk. Certain mixed heritage women, even if they have blond hair and blue/gray eyes, will become medicine women and vision-keepers, when they listen to the guidance of their grandmother spirit. Having a Native American soul does not necessarily mean you have a "good" soul, but it does give one spiritual powers - whether one serves the Master of Breath, or the Darkness. I can think of no better example of this than an experience I had at the Oconaluftee Living History Museum Village in Cherokee, NC in early July of 2006. I was doing research on my first book. I was trying to discern the real architectural history of the Southern Highlands. There were no books on the subject, so I thought the Cherokee Museums might help. Lordamercy! I should have turned around and gone hiking in the Smokies, when I saw the logo of the Museum of the Cherokee Indian on the front wall of the museum. It is the famous Creek Spider Gorget that is actually on display at the Moundville Museum near Tuscaloosa, AL. The gorget is used on all stationary and all cultural facilities of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians. The guide at the museum tells people that it is a gorget found on the reservation by an elder many years ago! LOL However, if you ask to see this gorget, they tell you that it is kept in a sacred place known only to the Cherokees. If you mention that it is actually at Moundville, they respond that the Great Cherokee Nation once covered seven states and their ancestors built all of the major mound centers. The last straw was when I saw beautiful Swift Creek and Etowah Complicated Stamp ceramics from Georgia on display that were labeled as being examples of the skills of the ancient Cherokees. We left. Well, anyway, after quickly exiting the Museum of the Cherokee Indian, I drove with my date (a Canadian Obigwe on vacation in the mountains) to the Oconaluftee Village. Since it was a collection of reconstructed Native architecture, I assumed that I could get accurate answers there. The museum village consists of about 24 reconstructed buildings typical of those in the Southeast, and includes an accurate Cherokee Council House of the style of the 1700s. All are grouped around a Creek Square. I asked our guide, a young Cherokee lassie of college age, why did the Cherokees suddenly switched around the year 1680 from building large, square houses with thick daub & wattle walls to smaller, crude round houses sheaved in bark shingles? To give her credit, she honestly answered that all she knew was what was on a sheet of paper that was given summer guides to memorize. She said she would go get the elder, who was the expert on Cherokee history. He was a wise man, who could answer all questions. The elder showed up wearing all sorts of symbols typical of Cherokee medicine men. I only got to ask one short sentence, "Why did the Cherokees switch from building big square houses to small round ones around the ...." He interrupted me and blurted, "What you say is untrue." He then raised his right hand so as to block his eyes' view of my face. While walking backwards out of the Creek Square, he repeated the same statement over and over again. Once out of the square, he literally ran completely out of the Okonaluftee Village. At that point the reality came to me, "I reckon I will have to stop relying on the so-called experts and become one myself! " Oconaluftee has no meaning in Cherokee other than being a proper noun. The name of the river that flows through the Cherokee Reservation was originally written as Okonee talufa tee which means "Okonee People Town." My Creek heritage is primarily Okonee. Obviously, the Native American soul of the Cherokee medicine man was quite afraid of the Native American soul of an Okonee Creek warrior. The word for the Okonee in Cherokee translates as "the mean ones." Have a blessed Sunday! **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

Thank you for your kindness. The brick wall is thicker. LOL Thank you for your response and time and effort in your information.' Tks, Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Creek reserves > Hi, Sam > > I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. The Hastie-Thompson book to which I've > referred is a book written by Lynn Hastie. When she published her first > Weatherford book in 1991, she went by Lynn Hastie Thompson. There was a > Second Printing in 2001 (which I don't have), and at that time she was > going by Lynn Hastie. Divorced, possibly ? > > No Moses Thompson. She does list seven: John, Judith, Millie, Sarah, > Steve, and Walter Edward. Nothing about Arkansas, either. > > We'll just have to keep on keeping on! > > gmw > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, basically most of the tribal rolls have been a mess since they were first started as many people were left off the rolls, while some were added that should not have been listed --- On Sat, 8/9/08, csmoke <[email protected]> wrote: > From: csmoke <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Understanding Rolls and Reserves > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 12:46 AM > Leon, > I have seen the same thing, rejected even with court > witness afadavits. (I > have a hard copy, my files, my family line..). I cannot > say for sure, but I > think the Dawes relied heavily (or maybe exclusively..) on > the fact person > applying , or parent/s having been on earlier native census > previous rolls. > > Richard B. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leon Beard" > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 6:14 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Understanding Rolls and > Reserves > > > >I know after reading the information provided by some > of my grandmothers > >relatives to the Dawes comission for creek Citizenship, > and the number of > >witnesses that testified that they knew the family to > be Indian, and > >descended from a Creek Indian named Samuel Low, the > Dawes comission > >rejected the family. > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Evelyn S. Leslie > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> From: Evelyn S. Leslie > <[email protected]> > >> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Understanding Rolls and > Reserves > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 2:23 PM > >> Kathie made a comment the other day concerning the > Dawes > >> Rolls: <This is complicated. If you are > trying to > >> understand it, let's keep with it until we all > >> understand. > >> > >> Kathie > > >> > >> Boy, did she ever hit the nail on the head, and > Kathie, I > >> would like to add Reserves to that, also. Do you > have a > >> listing for the different land reserves > "given" > >> (for want of a better description) to different > Creek groups > >> following various treaties and the years they were > given? > >> The only one I have plenty of information on at my > >> fingertips in my own files are the 30 reserves > given to > >> "certain friendly Chiefs and Indian > countrymen" in > >> 1817 for their service in the Creek war 1813-1814. > The > >> reason I have studied that one so much is because > that > >> happens to be my south Alabama family. However, I > did have > >> some in the 1830 (or 32?) reserves, also, but just > piecemeal > >> names and info and not a complete list. I have > nothing on > >> the Georgia Creeks and who received what and when. > Were the > >> same stipulations attached to each one, or did > they change > >> with each treaty as land was relinquished? There > again, I > >> know how it worked with the 1817 land but not the > others. > >> > >> Also, one comment about the Dawes rolls. The > testimony > >> contained in some of the jackets for later > descendants > >> attempting to get enrolled in the Creek Nation > West is > >> heartbreaking. Some of them had been there ever > since the > >> removal or before while it was voluntary, but the > Dawes > >> Commission was totally heartless in their > interviews and > >> browbeat them so I'm surprised they could > remember their > >> own names. All that before telling many of them > they were > >> not eligible - so sad. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Evelyn Leslie > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > >> [email protected] with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and > >> the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > >

Michelle, That is very well put, as in North Carolina every tribe that has been given state recognition has had to prove that they have existed as a community distinct from their white/black neighbors maintaining social, political, and family ties as a tribe residing in a distinct geographical area, in the past having their own churches,schools, and recognition from other tribal groups as being Indians. The Catawbas struggled for years before regaining federal recognition, and were caught in limbo for years being State Recognized but not federally recognized, and not having access to adequate housing, education, and health care. After being restored to Federal status suddenly they are considered Indians again by other federally Recognized tribes. --- On Sat, 8/9/08, JMSchohn <[email protected]> wrote: > From: JMSchohn <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Current Creek Membership > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 12:05 PM > I have served for many years as tribal historian and federal > recognition officer. So I can tell you that the ability to > speak a unique language is not a requirement but can be used > to fulfill the cultural continuity requirement. > > I would also not assume that every state recognized tribe > is a fraud and that the only "real" tribes are > federal ones. My tribe is state recognized. We are in the > process of status clarification with the federal government. > I was told by one of the historians at the BIA that our > people had one of the easiest paths to federal recognition > of any of the remaining unrecognized tribes and that it was > just a matter of putting the documents together. > > Does this mean every state tribe is legitimate? Of course > not. But don't paint them all with one brush. There are > many tribes, particularly in the southeast, that remain in > tribal communities, that govern themselves through the > churches they established when their traditional religion > was outlawed. I personally can document my tribe from first > contact. And I can demonstrate that ever single member is > descended either from a soldier who fought in a company in > the Revolutionary War that was identified as a PeeDee Indian > company or from someone who lived in the communities with > them. Most of our people descend from more than one of those > soldiers. I personally descend from four of them. > > When the Catawba had their federal recognition restored in > the 1990s, suddenly federal Indians who had denounced them > as not real Indians suddenly accepted them as such. And > Chief Blue, to his credit, told them they were lap dogs to > the BIA for treating the Catawba as something less than a > tribe until the federal government said they were. > > We are not Indians at the whim of the U.S. government, and > we are a tribe whether they recognize us or not. We seek > recognition because of the benefits it could bring to the > quality of life of our people, not because it will make us > Indian. The Creator already did that. > > .....stepping off my soapbox now....... > > Michelle > > > > In a message dated 08/09/08 11:53:00 Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > Isn't that a little over assuming the state officials > are much more ignorant > than federal officials, or won't seek further > information from creditable > individuals? Everything can be traced back to some kind of > money in some > way....either having to give or to keep from taking....but > present or future > finances are always involved. This is an observation and > opinion as well. > TT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:58 AM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] The Irony of Current Creek > Membership > > > > Leon, > > I do not know all the fed reqirement for being > recognized, but do know > > that you can add speaking their unique language. And > I think there is > > something about all these tests met and being in > existence for 200 or more years. > > There is a "native site" (commanchelodge..) > that I think lists criteria > > for recognition, plus a listing of all the recognized > tribes. > > > > So, I think you could go to the site I mentioned and > see who is federally > > recognized. There are state (only) recognized groups > (who may be > > legitimate in many ways and have a good heart...) , > but I hear that the problem with > > that is a " local" chief or whatever can > blow a smoke at the state > > bureaucrats...throw in some genealogy/etc, and the > state officials do not > > know nothing from nothing.... it looks ok, recognize > them. Does not mean > > anything special.. my view. > > > > Richard B. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Richard, I know traditionally the Cherokees lived in houses that faced a square, this was pretty common in most Indian towns, and at some point the Cherokees switched from their traditional houses to cabins, just as the Catawbas did in their villages. The change in housing was probably due to new ideas or methods of living that were introdudced, and since the Cherokees have always been a people who adapt it was just a natural thing to accept new ideas. As for the Elder, with most older traditional Cherokees instead of having a confrontation with you, he simply chose to walk away and end the conversation with you, and given the fact that he was working as a instructor or teacher of Cherokee culture. yes the people at Oconoluftee Village are working, as I knew two tribal Elders that use to work at the village Hayes Lossiah, and Mary Shell before they passed on. I know when visiting in Cherokee homes if one is offered food, it is a insult not to accept the food and eat with them. I have Creek ancestry, but know far more about Cherokee culture than I do about Creek culture, since I was more in contact with my Cherokee heritage. --- On Sun, 8/10/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] On having a Native American soul > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 9:05 AM > Good Morning Everybody! > > Both my dogs and I were anxious to get out into the > wilderness yesterday and > perhaps I should have gone into more detail in my blog > about mixed heritage. > The comments on the list concerning New Agers shanghaiing > Native American > culture and making it into a false religion were especially > accurate. > > First, Michelle, you will be happy to hear that recently I > set the Boy > Scouts straight. I was one of the youngest Eagle Scouts > ever, but because of a > snooty clique of air line pilot kids in our scout troop in > College Park, GA, > I was never invited to join the Order of the Arrow. I was > also the only > Native American in the troop, yet all the high-ranking > scouts in my troop, but > me, got to wear the fancy, store-bought Sioux > head-dresses. However, being that > an Eagle Scout had complained, the BSA did respond to my > complaint. > > I stumbled upon an official Georgia Boy Scout web site that > stated Etowah > was a Cherokee town and that the Cherokees built all the > mounds in a seven > state area of the Southeast. The web site also stated that > the Cherokees had > lived in Georgia for thousands of years. Some web site > consultant had copied a > tourist brochure from Cherokee, NC verbatim. Eventually, > an official of the > BSA responded to my complaint of inaccuracy and asked me > to re-write the > section of the web site on Native Americans! > > At any rate, there is something that genetics, BIA > regulations and federal > laws can not quantify or even identify. My personal > experience has been > that there is such a thing as a Native American soul. > That soul has special > spiritual traits and gifts. Phil Whitley obviously has > one. I still suspect > that he has a Creek ancestor out there somewhere, or else > some time in his > life, a grandfather spirit became his guardian angel. I > know from personal > experience that there is a very strong Creek spiritual > presence west of > Riverdale (where Phil lives) in the vicinity of Old > National Highway and then down > into Fayette County. > > The presence of a Native American soul, is the only way one > can explain why > it is typical for one or more siblings in a mixed-heritage > family to be drawn > to things Native American almost from the day they can > walk. Certain mixed > heritage women, even if they have blond hair and blue/gray > eyes, will become > medicine women and vision-keepers, when they listen to the > guidance of their > grandmother spirit. > > Having a Native American soul does not necessarily mean you > have a "good" > soul, but it does give one spiritual powers - whether one > serves the Master of > Breath, or the Darkness. I can think of no better example > of this than an > experience I had at the Oconaluftee Living History Museum > Village in Cherokee, > NC in early July of 2006. I was doing research on my > first book. I was > trying to discern the real architectural history of the > Southern Highlands. > There were no books on the subject, so I thought the > Cherokee Museums might > help. > > Lordamercy! I should have turned around and gone hiking in > the Smokies, > when I saw the logo of the Museum of the Cherokee Indian on > the front wall of > the museum. It is the famous Creek Spider Gorget that is > actually on display > at the Moundville Museum near Tuscaloosa, AL. The gorget > is used on all > stationary and all cultural facilities of the Eastern Band > of Cherokee Indians. > The guide at the museum tells people that it is a gorget > found on the > reservation by an elder many years ago! LOL However, if > you ask to see this gorget, > they tell you that it is kept in a sacred place known only > to the Cherokees. > If you mention that it is actually at Moundville, they > respond that the > Great Cherokee Nation once covered seven states and their > ancestors built all of > the major mound centers. The last straw was when I saw > beautiful Swift Creek > and Etowah Complicated Stamp ceramics from Georgia on > display that were > labeled as being examples of the skills of the ancient > Cherokees. We left. > > Well, anyway, after quickly exiting the Museum of the > Cherokee Indian, I > drove with my date (a Canadian Obigwe on vacation in the > mountains) to the > Oconaluftee Village. Since it was a collection of > reconstructed Native > architecture, I assumed that I could get accurate answers > there. The museum village > consists of about 24 reconstructed buildings typical of > those in the Southeast, > and includes an accurate Cherokee Council House of the > style of the 1700s. > All are grouped around a Creek Square. I asked our > guide, a young Cherokee > lassie of college age, why did the Cherokees suddenly > switched around the > year 1680 from building large, square houses with thick > daub & wattle walls to > smaller, crude round houses sheaved in bark shingles? To > give her credit, > she honestly answered that all she knew was what was on a > sheet of paper that > was given summer guides to memorize. She said she would > go get the elder, > who was the expert on Cherokee history. He was a wise > man, who could answer > all questions. > > The elder showed up wearing all sorts of symbols typical of > Cherokee > medicine men. I only got to ask one short sentence, > "Why did the Cherokees switch > from building big square houses to small round ones around > the ...." He > interrupted me and blurted, "What you say is > untrue." He then raised his right > hand so as to block his eyes' view of my face. While > walking backwards out > of the Creek Square, he repeated the same statement over > and over again. > Once out of the square, he literally ran completely out of > the Okonaluftee > Village. At that point the reality came to me, "I > reckon I will have to stop > relying on the so-called experts and become one myself! > " > > Oconaluftee has no meaning in Cherokee other than being a > proper noun. The > name of the river that flows through the Cherokee > Reservation was originally > written as Okonee talufa tee which means "Okonee > People Town." My Creek > heritage is primarily Okonee. Obviously, the Native > American soul of the > Cherokee medicine man was quite afraid of the Native > American soul of an Okonee > Creek warrior. The word for the Okonee in Cherokee > translates as "the mean > ones." > > Have a blessed Sunday! > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and > fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

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Hi, Sam I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. The Hastie-Thompson book to which I've referred is a book written by Lynn Hastie. When she published her first Weatherford book in 1991, she went by Lynn Hastie Thompson. There was a Second Printing in 2001 (which I don't have), and at that time she was going by Lynn Hastie. Divorced, possibly ? No Moses Thompson. She does list seven: John, Judith, Millie, Sarah, Steve, and Walter Edward. Nothing about Arkansas, either. We'll just have to keep on keeping on! gmw

Dido. Well stated! ----- Original Message ----- From: "JMSchohn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:08 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] On who is a wannabe >I have never considered someone with Indian ancestry and no tribal ties to >be a wannabe. When I think about wannabees, I think about the folks with a >"Cherokee Indian princess" great great grandmother or the boy scouts at pow >wows with not one drop of Indian blood but the finest regalia money can >buy. I think about New Agers who are "Indian in their heart," or even >better, "Indian in a previous life." > > As tribal historian and genealogist, I have met many people searching for > their heritage. There is a longing there to find out who they are and they > have little more to go on than whispered rumors in their own family. > Sometimes I can help them document who they are and sometimes not. Often, > I can point to traditions in their family that they didn't know where > Indian, or to physical features that reveal their ancestry. But those > folks aren't wannabees. Those folks are our lost cousins, and for those of > us who are fortunate enough to have always known who we are, our job is to > help them find their way home. > > Michelle > > >

Richard T. said, "YET - when I am on former Native American settlement sites (which is almost every week) - I feel the souls of the Ancient Ones welcoming me as an equal. Only people, who have Native American heritage can understand this spiritual feeling." Then there is hope for this ol' Scot/Irish boy after all! I may have just a smidgen of NA blood because I have always felt that "spiritual feeling", and feel the presence of something akin to ancestors welcoming me to the place. Maybe they recognize my heart feelings and accept me as I am. When I was a kid playing "cowboys and Indians", I wanted to be the Indian. LOL, and I write historical fiction books based on Native Americans. I am even envious of those of you who suspect that you may have NA blood. MVTO, my Creek/Muskogee brothers and sisters, Phil (Brew)