We come down the line, form Thomas who married Jane Moore (Moor), born Scotland, married in SC. Then kids in Tenn, and onto Arkansas. If this is related to your Steele's, please contact me. Sam Gipson, Benton, Arkansas [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Hall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 9:51 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Sarah Narcisse Williams b.Jan 1868 > This is my greatgrandmother. I have not been able to find out who her > parents were or if she had brothers or sisters. All I know is that she > raised 11 children and was common-law wife to Stephen Steele b. 1872. She > was Indian and he was white. Please help me find her. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

He is probably in the coffee shop, studying for his urine test. Tks, Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Whitley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Eureka! I have finally figured out the Abikara Creeks! > Richard, you followed that trail like a bloodhound on a scent trail! > Excellent work, my friend. That "baboon with a badge" just may be in a > freezer waiting for more tests... LOL > > Brew > > ========= > > [email protected] wrote: > >>Those of you researching their Upper Creek ancestors have probably run >>across the ethnic name Abikara Creeks. It was the official label of the >>Upper >>Creeks until the period of the Red Stick War. At the time of the first >>contacts >>with Spanish and English explorers, the Kusa's were the dominant >>Muskogean >>group in the Highlands. Suddenly in the 1700s the dominance shifted to >>the >>Abikara and Tuckabachee Creeks of northern Alabama. I never could figure >>out >>who these people were or where they came from. >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

yes I will look it up as I have to go thur all my research. Give me a few days. Thank you Beverly **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 )

This is my greatgrandmother. I have not been able to find out who her parents were or if she had brothers or sisters. All I know is that she raised 11 children and was common-law wife to Stephen Steele b. 1872. She was Indian and he was white. Please help me find her.

Hey, Richard.....as for my part it's not lack of appreciation, it is more of ignorance. I take liberties sometimes and remove all doubt about my ignorance....sometimes I wait on others to take my spot. So....here you are.....a well earned applause conducted in earnest and sincerity. What makes it even sweeter....one of ours did it. Way to go and keep educating us.........heard from the park in Chattanooga yet? Want me to ring their bell? Gently of course. TT ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Now I thought you would be excited about theorigin of the Abikara! > Folks! > > Shucks! I thought you all would be excited about me figuring out the > origin of the Abikara Creeks! Not one comment! In the archaeological, > world > unveiling the Abikara's origin is the equivalent of finding "a real" > Bigfoot > in the Smoky Mountains. All the PhD anthropologists in all of the > universities of Dixie have been scratching their heads about the Abikara > for the past > 100 years. > > In fact, the University of Tennessee at Knoxville, which has one of the > best anthropology program around, basically gave up on figuring out who > lived in > the area due east of Knoxville. They went on to important studies on the > courtship traditions of the rare Delongo pigmies on the island of > Mindanao in > the Philippines. > > Seriously, the attitude of many professors at most of the anthropology > schools is that they know everything there is to know about the > Southeastern > Indians, and it is time to move on to other things. Obviously, our > little group > of message boarders do not agree with their assessment of the situation. > > Richard T. > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Richard B, That is a question that is out of reason. I am sorry the idiot ask you that. Tks, Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Cherokee-Creek relations after theTrailofTears >I have had tourists who thought I am a white... they asked if I live in > covered wagon? :o) > > Richard B. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Timothy" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Cherokee-Creek relations after the > TrailofTears > > >> This was funny and I bet, fun! TT >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Leon Beard" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Cherokee-Creek relations after the Trail >> ofTears >> >> >>> I'm always amazed at the people who assume Native people live exactly >>> like >>> our ancestors did 300 years ago, or like from a scene in a western film. >>> Back in the 1980's while living on Qualla Boundary a white lady stopped >>> me >>> and asked me where all the Indians were at, So I told her she was a week >>> two late, the soldiers had come through and massacred the entire tribe. >>> I mean their were Indians everywhere on the reservation, she just >>> didn't >>> realize that they were mixed-blooded and dressed like other Americans. >>> >>> >>> --- On Fri, 8/15/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Cherokee-Creek relations after the Trail >>>> of Tears >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 3:09 PM >>>> I know that I am getting off the subject of this thread but, >>>> I wanted to >>>> voice my opinion on the Cherokee, NC scenario. >>>> >>>> My "favorite" thing when we go there, is to watch >>>> the "authentic Cherokees" >>>> in their Cherokee regalia complete right down to the >>>> genuine war bonnets >>>> dancing beside their teepees (of course) with their tip jar >>>> placed closeby. >>>> >>>> The last time we were there, one tourist actually was upset >>>> because she was >>>> worrying about them having to live on the street in those >>>> teepees without any >>>> conveniences and couldn't be convinced that they >>>> didn't. >>>> >>>> I guess if the tourists are gullible enough to swallow it, >>>> go for it! >>>> >>>> Oh, well, enough said, and I won't bring it up again! >>>> >>>> JR >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and >>>> fits in your budget? >>>> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >>>> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 >>>> ) >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word >>>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>> the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, Richard T---we're spoiled, that's all. We've become accustomed to your brilliance! Could you write a paper and submit it to some entity or organization which has earned your respect, and become eligible to win a wonderful prize $$ and overwhelming acclaim ? We will give you great references !! Your Fans

At several pow wows I have attended, they have had t-shirts for sale that read "My grandfather was a Cherokee Indian Princess." In a message dated 08/16/08 18:56:57 Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Let it not be said that our Red brothers & sisters don't have a sense of humor. A Cherokee friend of mine told me about dancing at a powwow all day in the hot sun, "being looked at", and hearing about white people's "grandmothers being Indian Princesses". About the end of the day he was hot, tired & just wanted to go home & have a beer. As he was packing up his regalia, he noticed an older woman hanging around, building up her courage to spead to him. My friend thought, "oh oh, hear it comes!". The lady finally spoke to say " you know my grandmother......". My friend interupted her saying, " I know, you're going to tell me your grandmother was a Cherokee Princess aren't you?" She looked very satisfactually at her husband and said, " See, they can tell!" P.H. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Richard, this new discovery (sorting out) should get you tenure somewhere!! Congratulations. By the way , the bigfoot was found in your area (?) ... north GA,.... hmmmm. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:53 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Now I thought you would be excited about theorigin of the Abikara! > Folks! > > Shucks! I thought you all would be excited about me figuring out the > origin of the Abikara Creeks! Not one comment! In the archaeological, > world > unveiling the Abikara's origin is the equivalent of finding "a real" > Bigfoot > in the Smoky Mountains. All the PhD anthropologists in all of the > universities of Dixie have been scratching their heads about the Abikara > for the past > 100 years. > > In fact, the University of Tennessee at Knoxville, which has one of the > best anthropology program around, basically gave up on figuring out who > lived in > the area due east of Knoxville. They went on to important studies on the > courtship traditions of the rare Delongo pigmies on the island of > Mindanao in > the Philippines. > > Seriously, the attitude of many professors at most of the anthropology > schools is that they know everything there is to know about the > Southeastern > Indians, and it is time to move on to other things. Obviously, our > little group > of message boarders do not agree with their assessment of the situation. > > Richard T. > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

I have had tourists who thought I am a white... they asked if I live in covered wagon? :o) Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Timothy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Cherokee-Creek relations after the TrailofTears > This was funny and I bet, fun! TT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leon Beard" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:44 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Cherokee-Creek relations after the Trail > ofTears > > >> I'm always amazed at the people who assume Native people live exactly >> like >> our ancestors did 300 years ago, or like from a scene in a western film. >> Back in the 1980's while living on Qualla Boundary a white lady stopped >> me >> and asked me where all the Indians were at, So I told her she was a week >> two late, the soldiers had come through and massacred the entire tribe. >> I mean their were Indians everywhere on the reservation, she just didn't >> realize that they were mixed-blooded and dressed like other Americans. >> >> >> --- On Fri, 8/15/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Cherokee-Creek relations after the Trail >>> of Tears >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 3:09 PM >>> I know that I am getting off the subject of this thread but, >>> I wanted to >>> voice my opinion on the Cherokee, NC scenario. >>> >>> My "favorite" thing when we go there, is to watch >>> the "authentic Cherokees" >>> in their Cherokee regalia complete right down to the >>> genuine war bonnets >>> dancing beside their teepees (of course) with their tip jar >>> placed closeby. >>> >>> The last time we were there, one tourist actually was upset >>> because she was >>> worrying about them having to live on the street in those >>> teepees without any >>> conveniences and couldn't be convinced that they >>> didn't. >>> >>> I guess if the tourists are gullible enough to swallow it, >>> go for it! >>> >>> Oh, well, enough said, and I won't bring it up again! >>> >>> JR >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and >>> fits in your budget? >>> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >>> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 >>> ) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Let it not be said that our Red brothers & sisters don't have a sense of humor. A Cherokee friend of mine told me about dancing at a powwow all day in the hot sun, "being looked at", and hearing about white people's "grandmothers being Indian Princesses". About the end of the day he was hot, tired & just wanted to go home & have a beer. As he was packing up his regalia, he noticed an older woman hanging around, building up her courage to spead to him. My friend thought, "oh oh, hear it comes!". The lady finally spoke to say " you know my grandmother......". My friend interupted her saying, " I know, you're going to tell me your grandmother was a Cherokee Princess aren't you?" She looked very satisfactually at her husband and said, " See, they can tell!" P.H.

But, is the T-shirt saying, My Grandfather was a Cherokee Indian Princess? Or should it have said, My Grandmother was a Cherokee Indian Princess? I am lost, which is nothing new. Tks, Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "JMSchohn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Indian Princess > At several pow wows I have attended, they have had t-shirts for sale that > read "My grandfather was a Cherokee Indian Princess." > > > > In a message dated 08/16/08 18:56:57 Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > Let it not be said that our Red brothers & sisters don't have a sense > of humor. > A Cherokee friend of mine told me about dancing at a powwow all day > in the hot sun, "being looked at", and hearing about white people's > "grandmothers being Indian Princesses". > About the end of the day he was hot, tired & just wanted to go home & > have a beer. As he was packing up his regalia, he noticed an older woman > hanging around, building up her courage to spead to him. My friend > thought, > "oh oh, hear it comes!". The lady finally spoke to say " you know my > grandmother......". My friend interupted her saying, " I know, you're > going > to tell me your grandmother was a Cherokee Princess aren't you?" > She looked very satisfactually at her husband and said, " See, they can > tell!" > P.H. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Folks! Shucks! I thought you all would be excited about me figuring out the origin of the Abikara Creeks! Not one comment! In the archaeological, world unveiling the Abikara's origin is the equivalent of finding "a real" Bigfoot in the Smoky Mountains. All the PhD anthropologists in all of the universities of Dixie have been scratching their heads about the Abikara for the past 100 years. In fact, the University of Tennessee at Knoxville, which has one of the best anthropology program around, basically gave up on figuring out who lived in the area due east of Knoxville. They went on to important studies on the courtship traditions of the rare Delongo pigmies on the island of Mindanao in the Philippines. Seriously, the attitude of many professors at most of the anthropology schools is that they know everything there is to know about the Southeastern Indians, and it is time to move on to other things. Obviously, our little group of message boarders do not agree with their assessment of the situation. Richard T. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 )

high-larious, Songmaker !! still laughing especially, I guess cuz I'm still trying to "prove" that my GGGrandfather's father was half-brother to Charles Weatherford, who really DID marry Sehoy III, Creek Princess of the Wind Clan !! Do Cherokees not HAVE "Princesses" ? or is it just that ALL of the little old ladies always SAY "Cherokee" ? ... laughing.also, of course, because when I was a little Camp Fire Bluebird, my name was We-ton-tah, which was SUPPOSED to be "Bright Eyes". Naturally, I added "Princess" to my title, when I told people what my Indian name meant ! ....you KNOW how girls just love Princesses....... Peace, g

This was funny and I bet, fun! TT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Beard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Cherokee-Creek relations after the Trail ofTears > I'm always amazed at the people who assume Native people live exactly like > our ancestors did 300 years ago, or like from a scene in a western film. > Back in the 1980's while living on Qualla Boundary a white lady stopped me > and asked me where all the Indians were at, So I told her she was a week > two late, the soldiers had come through and massacred the entire tribe. > I mean their were Indians everywhere on the reservation, she just didn't > realize that they were mixed-blooded and dressed like other Americans. > > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Cherokee-Creek relations after the Trail >> of Tears >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 3:09 PM >> I know that I am getting off the subject of this thread but, >> I wanted to >> voice my opinion on the Cherokee, NC scenario. >> >> My "favorite" thing when we go there, is to watch >> the "authentic Cherokees" >> in their Cherokee regalia complete right down to the >> genuine war bonnets >> dancing beside their teepees (of course) with their tip jar >> placed closeby. >> >> The last time we were there, one tourist actually was upset >> because she was >> worrying about them having to live on the street in those >> teepees without any >> conveniences and couldn't be convinced that they >> didn't. >> >> I guess if the tourists are gullible enough to swallow it, >> go for it! >> >> Oh, well, enough said, and I won't bring it up again! >> >> JR >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and >> fits in your budget? >> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 >> ) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, Do you have a guess as to her date of birth? gmw

I'm assuming Dot had to be born sometime in the 1940's or 1950's...of course we were never allowed to ask elders questions or initiate conversations with them, when i was a child --- On Sat, 8/16/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Sewell, Suel - Creek ? > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 7:14 PM > Hello, > > Do you have a guess as to her date of birth? > > gmw > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Leon, My mother's family line (Reagan / Husky) emigrated from Swain County (N.C.) , early 1890 or so to Arkansas. Some other family marriage connects there would have been (distant..) Ogle and Emmert. Some of these related people applied (east vicinity of Gatlinburg, TN.) to the Baker Roll , referred to the Husky (Huskey) with their applications. The white man and the natives did not want them, they lived on the wrong place then. Nothing has changed. :o) Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Beard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] How do I know about what's happening inWestern North Carolina > Richard, > I hate that you had that experience while on Qualla boundary, I was > there around the last part of December, and all I encountered was a > Cherokee woman working in the gas station was a sullen bored attitude. > I know that many young Cherokees are taught arts & Crafts in the schools, > even the Indian kids who go to the Non-reservation schools in the > surrounding communities have the opportunities to learn native crafts, or > they use to when I went to school in swain co. > The sad thing is that most people can not make a living on just the arts > and crafts making, they just do it for surplus money, and they can spend > hours woodcarving, or making a basket and receive little from the > shopkeepers who offer them a little money, then turn around and double or > triple their money selling the basket or woodcarving. > > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] How do I know about what's happening in >> Western North Carolina >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 3:11 PM >> How do I know about the Russia Mafia being in Cherokee and >> Asheville? >> Remember I had a pretty prominent position in Asheville and >> still have friends >> there, who are in the know. Actually, I was a highly >> respected professional >> until the year 2000 when a certain political change took >> place! LOL The last >> time I was in Asheville (last November) a close friend >> point blank told me that >> the Russians are taking over Asheville and already run >> Cherokee from behind >> the scenes. Most of his appraisals recently were for >> Russian Nationals moving >> to Western North Carolina. >> >> Many moons ago, before I even moved to Asheville, I was a >> consultant to the >> Cherokee Housing Authority and through the years have made >> friends on the >> Qualla Boundary. Last summer I decided to go hiking on my >> birthday, and then >> stop by afterward to visit with old Cherokee friends, who >> made the best >> barbecue around. Their old restaurant had been torn down >> and replaced with a fancy >> new one in a shopping center. >> >> Before eating, I walked around the strip shopping area, >> looking for a >> birthday gift for my sister - who was born in late August. >> Every single store I >> visited was staffed and managed by Slavic personnel. I >> finally stopped a >> Cherokee lady on the street, and told her I was Creek. >> Where are the Cherokees? >> She said that they don't work in town anymore. A few >> worked at the casino, >> but there were getting to be less and less. Of course, >> the Qualla Arts >> Gallery was staffed by Cherokees, but that was it. I >> bought a gift for my sister >> there, since there stuff were the only "real" >> looking things in town. >> >> I then drove back the barbecue restaurant, I walked in and >> didn't see a >> Native American in the place - either eating or working. >> Two Scandinavian looking >> gals (college age) were the hostesses. I asked them in >> English, if they were >> Swedish (Jag taler svenska) They said they were college >> students from >> "Southern" Russia. I thought that was strange >> since the southern Russians tend to >> look Middle Eastern. >> >> My waitress was from Brazil. I asked her what had happened >> to all my >> Cherokee friends that had worked there for two decades. She >> said that when the >> Russians bought the restaurant three years ago, all the >> Cherokees had been fired. >> In fact, she was only person they kept. The manager was >> from Poland. All the >> other employees were from Russia, Ukraine or Poland. She >> said that was pretty >> much the situation in all the stores and restaurants. She >> also was on a >> student visa, but had never attended college. The Russian >> owner got her card >> renewed each year. A little later, I glanced back into the >> kitchen and did see a >> Cherokee teenager working! He was washing dishes. >> >> The barbecue was as great as ever. A free ice cream came >> with the meal. It >> was served by the blond girls from "Southern >> Russia." As I was walking up to >> the ice cream counter, I heard them speaking a dialect of >> Finnish. I said >> about the only words I remembered in Finish from my days >> of working in Sweden - >> for "hello." That is absolutely all I said, >> other than I would like two >> scoops of butter pecan ice cream in English. They freaked >> out. One raced back to >> the kitchen while the other nervously scooped my ice cream >> order. >> >> Within a minute or so, a big, black limousine roared up to >> the front door of >> the restaurant. A big, puffy-faced, evil-looking Russian >> got out. He peeked >> in the door and said something to the Russian girls or >> wherever they were >> really from. Moments later, three Cherokee Tribal Police >> cruisers and a SWAT >> squad SUV flew into the parking lot, lights flashing. The >> four police officers >> chatted briefly with Russian, looked at me through the >> windows and went in. >> They all sat at the table next to me. >> >> None of the officers looked Indian. This was a big change. >> Always before, >> Cherokee police were the best of the best Cherokee warriors >> - and were highly >> respected. In fact, I would swear that one of the officers >> was from the >> Baltic countries himself. He spoke proper English, but >> didn't have a Southern >> Mountain accent. >> >> In a menacing tone, the SWAT officer asked me what I was >> doing in Cherokee? >> >> "Duh-h-h-h-h, eating barbecue and ice cream." >> >> They grilled me for several more minutes about my purposes >> on the rez, >> where I lived, my drivers licence, did I have criminal >> record, etc. until I got >> fed up and flashed them my Creek tribal membership card. >> They immediately >> became more polite. They then told me to leave the >> reservation as soon as I >> finished my meal. They never said one word about what I >> had done wrong. After >> telling with a friend in federal law enforcement about the >> incident, we both >> decided that everybody thought I was an INS undercover >> agent, because I was >> alone and look very athletic - wear my hair very short in >> the summer. >> >> I didn't leave immediately. I went straight to the >> home of an old Cherokee >> friend, who had managed the Penny's store in >> Asheville, before retiring back >> on the rez. I told him how I was treated. He wept as he >> explained how the >> Russian Mafia had taken over at Qualla. A few Cherokees >> were getting rich, >> politicians were getting paid off, and the rest of the >> people were basically >> welfare Injuns, getting by with checks from the casino >> profits paid to the >> tribe. Very few of the young people wanted to make crafts >> anymore, and the >> educated ones were being forced to leave Qualla to get a >> job, unless they were >> teachers. >> >> Not going back to Cherokee any time soon. >> >> Richard T. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and >> fits in your budget? >> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 >> ) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

In reference to: My "favorite" thing when we go there, is to watch > > the "authentic Cherokees" > > in their Cherokee regalia complete right down to the > > genuine war bonnets" reminds me of an event in Pensacola back in the 70's of Creek dancing etc. with the advise of a UWF history professor. There were several of the Western style warbonnets, when asked why they were displaying this stuff, the reply was to the effect "that's what the people want to see". Also in regards to many posts here that always state to the effect that "no one wanted to talk about their heritage" mine wasn't so, born very poor in the woods of NorthWest Florida, I recall many times my dad and uncles talking about "Indian Money" as that was always going around, that US Government or somebody was going to pay for Indian Land etc. Which brings up another thought, My GGGrandmother was from the Alabama Creek Nation (pre/post Fort Mims) what would cause me to be an Indian now,after much breeding away from that initial blood, as opposed to say, Dutch, Scotch, German, or any other ethnic origins???? I am very proud of my Creek heritage, but perhaps I should be also of all the other mixtures also. Just musing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Beard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Cherokee-Creek relations after the Trail ofTears > I'm always amazed at the people who assume Native people live exactly like our ancestors did 300 years ago, or like from a scene in a western film. Back in the 1980's while living on Qualla Boundary a white lady stopped me and asked me where all the Indians were at, So I told her she was a week two late, the soldiers had come through and massacred the entire tribe. > I mean their were Indians everywhere on the reservation, she just didn't realize that they were mixed-blooded and dressed like other Americans. > > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Cherokee-Creek relations after the Trail of Tears > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 3:09 PM > > I know that I am getting off the subject of this thread but, > > I wanted to > > voice my opinion on the Cherokee, NC scenario. > > > > My "favorite" thing when we go there, is to watch > > the "authentic Cherokees" > > in their Cherokee regalia complete right down to the > > genuine war bonnets > > dancing beside their teepees (of course) with their tip jar > > placed closeby. > > > > The last time we were there, one tourist actually was upset > > because she was > > worrying about them having to live on the street in those > > teepees without any > > conveniences and couldn't be convinced that they > > didn't. > > > > I guess if the tourists are gullible enough to swallow it, > > go for it! > > > > Oh, well, enough said, and I won't bring it up again! > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and > > fits in your budget? > > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00 030000000007 > > ) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

That is what LE calls profiling. Not fair. I made sure that is not being done in our Sheriff's and Police Dept's, in our County. Not legal. On the LE part, that is profiling, and not good medicine. In any persons language. Treat all equal and you will have more co-operation and respect from the citizens. I was not color blind. Break the law and you belonged to me. Regardless of who you are or were. I am sorry the way our NA friends, have been treated. It is not right in any way, form, fashion. Come to my hometown, Benton, Arkansas, visit with us, stay a spell, and I will go with you anywhere and guarantee that no one will bother you at all. Ask my friend, White Bear, that works in our Parks and Recreation Dept. He is a wonderful friend. Cherokee at that. Thanks, Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Beard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Eureka! I have finally figured out theAbikara Creeks! > Richard, > I guess you get harassed by law enforcement due to your complexion > also, I have had that happen to me a number of times, and also you get > followed around in many stores as if you are a criminal trying to > shoplift...My late sister even had someone tell her in a store in Lincoln > Co. N.C. that Mexicans were not welcome there, they didn't have a clue > that my sister was of Native heritage. > > > > --- On Fri, 8/15/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Eureka! I have finally figured out the Abikara >> Creeks! >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 8:57 PM >> Those of you researching their Upper Creek ancestors have >> probably run >> across the ethnic name Abikara Creeks. It was the official >> label of the Upper >> Creeks until the period of the Red Stick War. At the time >> of the first contacts >> with Spanish and English explorers, the Kusa's were the >> dominant Muskogean >> group in the Highlands. Suddenly in the 1700s the >> dominance shifted to the >> Abikara and Tuckabachee Creeks of northern Alabama. I >> never could figure out >> who these people were or where they came from. >> >> Well, over the past four years I have been driving and >> hiking the Southern >> Highlands with copies of the de Soto and de Pardo >> Chronicles in my back pack >> - trying to match geographical descriptions with views >> today. I also have >> been pouring over the earliest maps of the Cherokee Country >> - made by English >> explorers in the early 1700s. >> >> I have also been tying down half the law enforcement in the >> Southern >> Highlands, who had been convinced by a baboon wearing a >> badge in my county that I >> was a serial killer. That's another story some other >> time. >> >> WELL! I have put it all together. Apica was a Muskogean >> town visited in >> Eastern Tennessee by de Soto and de Pardo in the 1500s. It >> would have been >> somewhere in the vicinity of Knoxville or Newport, TN. I >> found an old map where >> the Cherokees called the French Broad River in North >> Carolina and Tennessee, >> the Abikwa, Abiqua or Apiqua River ... depending on the >> spelling of the >> mapmaker. >> >> We know that p's and b's are often shifted back and >> forth when English >> speakers write down Mvskoke. We know that the Overhills >> Cherokees typically >> changed a Creek "k" to a "kwa" sound. >> >> SO ... >> >> The Apika People were pushed down into Alabama by the >> Cherokees when they >> invaded Eastern Tennessee somewhere around 1710-1740. >> Evidently, there were a >> lot of Apika's and they quickly came to dominate the >> other Creek tribal >> towns in northern Alabama. Their ethnic name would have >> been Apikv = Abikaw. >> The whites called the Abikara's. >> >> That is one loose end tied together! >> >> Richard T. >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and >> fits in your budget? >> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 >> ) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message