Sam, We are all students and educators. There is an old saying, "when the student is ready.. the teacher will appear". This site is really neat, huh. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Excaped Cherokees > Richard B, > You are still an excellent educator. You have shown me many ways and your > teaching, I do appreciate, very much. All of the other's that submit > wonderful information, also, Thank You. > > Sam > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:37 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Excaped Cherokees > > >> Please spell it escaped, I'm a former educator. Leon will probably tell >> you >> the answer to this, but I would bet the best chance is finding some of >> the >> descendent names is on the 1925 (final) Baker Roll of the Eastern >> Cherokees. >> However........, some of my relatives applied to the western Dawes Roll >> (1890s) , and they were living in the east....Gatlinburg, TN. Probably, >> livin on the wrong side and wanted to go west... :o) >> >> Richard B. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "barbara keel" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Excaped Cherokees >> >> >>> Is there a way to find out names? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [email protected] wrote: >>>> Richard B and Tim Bonedigger >>>> >>>> There are quite a few prominent families in Bartow, Gordon and Floyd >>>> Counties (such as the Vanns, Adairs, & Bradleys) who are descended >>>> from Cherokees >>>> who hid out in Tennessee until the soldiers left, then came back to >>>> Georgia, >>>> where they were hidden by their white relatives. The county manager >>>> of >>>> Bartow County is a direct descendant of Principal Chief' John Ross's >>>> sister - who >>>> was one of those that escaped to Tennessee. >>>> >>>> Richard T. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your >>>> budget? >>>> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >>>> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 >>>> ) >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Happy upcoming birthday, Sam! All the best to you. On Aug 18, 2008, at 7:25 PM, Sam Gipson wrote: > Yes,, I will be 69 in Sept. Have learned more on this site the > past few > months, than I have in 68 years. > Love it. Thank you to all. > Law Enforcement, Patrol, Detective, Captain (Sheriff's Dept.), and > Benton > Police Criminal Investigator. 25.5 years, I think of Service. > I love learning from each and everyone of you. > Thank you so much for being so kind. > > Sam Pokey Gipson > Benton Civil Service Commissioner, Police and Fire Departments. > Arkansas, > of course. > > Sam Pokey Gipson, Arkansas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:34 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Excaped Cherokees > > >> Sam, >> We are all students and educators. There is an old saying, "when the >> student is ready.. the teacher will appear". This site is really >> neat, >> huh. >> >> Richard B. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sam Gipson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Excaped Cherokees >> >> >>> Richard B, >>> You are still an excellent educator. You have shown me many ways >>> and >>> your >>> teaching, I do appreciate, very much. All of the other's that >>> submit >>> wonderful information, also, Thank You. >>> >>> Sam >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:37 PM >>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Excaped Cherokees >>> >>> >>>> Please spell it escaped, I'm a former educator. Leon will >>>> probably tell >>>> you >>>> the answer to this, but I would bet the best chance is finding >>>> some of >>>> the >>>> descendent names is on the 1925 (final) Baker Roll of the Eastern >>>> Cherokees. >>>> However........, some of my relatives applied to the western >>>> Dawes Roll >>>> (1890s) , and they were living in the east....Gatlinburg, TN. >>>> Probably, >>>> livin on the wrong side and wanted to go west... :o) >>>> >>>> Richard B. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "barbara keel" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:25 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Excaped Cherokees >>>> >>>> >>>>> Is there a way to find out names? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>> Richard B and Tim Bonedigger >>>>>> >>>>>> There are quite a few prominent families in Bartow, Gordon and >>>>>> Floyd >>>>>> Counties (such as the Vanns, Adairs, & Bradleys) who are >>>>>> descended >>>>>> from Cherokees >>>>>> who hid out in Tennessee until the soldiers left, then came >>>>>> back to >>>>>> Georgia, >>>>>> where they were hidden by their white relatives. The county >>>>>> manager >>>>>> of >>>>>> Bartow County is a direct descendant of Principal Chief' >>>>>> John Ross's >>>>>> sister - who >>>>>> was one of those that escaped to Tennessee. >>>>>> >>>>>> Richard T. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in >>>>>> your >>>>>> budget? >>>>>> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >>>>>> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review? >>>>>> ncid=aolaut00030000000007 >>>>>> ) >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without >>>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I forgot to emphasize that at some point in the past, the Adairs became Creeks too. I guess a male Cherokee Adair married a Creek lady, and their children opted for being listed as Creeks. You see the name Adair several times in the past as a member of the National Council or an official of the tribal government. Richard T. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Richard B, You are still an excellent educator. You have shown me many ways and your teaching, I do appreciate, very much. All of the other's that submit wonderful information, also, Thank You. Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Excaped Cherokees > Please spell it escaped, I'm a former educator. Leon will probably tell > you > the answer to this, but I would bet the best chance is finding some of the > descendent names is on the 1925 (final) Baker Roll of the Eastern > Cherokees. > However........, some of my relatives applied to the western Dawes Roll > (1890s) , and they were living in the east....Gatlinburg, TN. Probably, > livin on the wrong side and wanted to go west... :o) > > Richard B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "barbara keel" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Excaped Cherokees > > >> Is there a way to find out names? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [email protected] wrote: >>> Richard B and Tim Bonedigger >>> >>> There are quite a few prominent families in Bartow, Gordon and Floyd >>> Counties (such as the Vanns, Adairs, & Bradleys) who are descended >>> from Cherokees >>> who hid out in Tennessee until the soldiers left, then came back to >>> Georgia, >>> where they were hidden by their white relatives. The county manager of >>> Bartow County is a direct descendant of Principal Chief' John Ross's >>> sister - who >>> was one of those that escaped to Tennessee. >>> >>> Richard T. >>> >>> >>> >>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your >>> budget? >>> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >>> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 >>> ) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 8/18/2008 3:33:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Richard T., I am part white, some of my ancestors called themselves Reagans.... I know that is a white name and most had red hair and blue eyes , that is definitely a white trait? My ggrandmother I do not think a princess, but my cuzn was. My cuzn was Cherokee Princess in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. I guess that is an honor, I do not know what a person does to become one... very pretty she was/is. Richard B. Lordamercy Richard B! we might be distant relashuns! Some of my Creek relashuns (the Bones) live in Broken Arrow. Sorry, all my Creek ancestors were just farmers, very good farmers, but just farmers. Richard T. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 )

The Adair family is also prominent among the Oklahoma Cherokees and Oklahoma Creeks. Yes, they are direct descendants of James Adair, who wrote the famous book on American Indians in 1776. There are many, many families with Cherokee and Creek heritage in this part of Georgia (NW and North Central Mountains). A client of mine just left the house, who is descended from Creeks, who lived among the Cherokees, but escaped to the mountains when the soldiers showed up. For those who are interested ...both the city of Adairsville, GA and the Vann State Historic Site have nice web sites that discuss the Native American history of northwest Georgia. The Chief Vann House is one of the finest plantations in Georgia. It was built by Cherokee and Moravian craftsmen in 1805. I did the architecture work on the restoration of the 1847 Adairsville Rail Depot, which is pictured in the Adairsville web site. It is where the locomotive Texas began to go after the locomotive General in the Great Locomotive Chase of the Civil War. - a famous Walt Disney movie. Richard T. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 )

Thanks for the advice as to where to find names. As for the word /escaped/, I did nothing to the subject line. It is as it was sent to the group. I honestly didn't notice or I would have changed it. Sometimes when we type, letters do get mixed up. I am sure in the beginning it was accidental and I am sure, like me, people just saw it and knew it to be what it was supposed to be and didn't look closely. Oddly, it still wasn't changed when I got this from you. Barb csmoke wrote: > Please spell it escaped, I'm a former educator. Leon will probably tell you > the answer to this, but I would bet the best chance is finding some of the > descendent names is on the 1925 (final) Baker Roll of the Eastern Cherokees. > However........, some of my relatives applied to the western Dawes Roll > (1890s) , and they were living in the east....Gatlinburg, TN. Probably, > livin on the wrong side and wanted to go west... :o) > > Richard B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "barbara keel" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Excaped Cherokees > > > >> Is there a way to find out names? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [email protected] wrote: >> >>> Richard B and Tim Bonedigger >>> >>> There are quite a few prominent families in Bartow, Gordon and Floyd >>> Counties (such as the Vanns, Adairs, & Bradleys) who are descended >>> from Cherokees >>> who hid out in Tennessee until the soldiers left, then came back to >>> Georgia, >>> where they were hidden by their white relatives. The county manager of >>> Bartow County is a direct descendant of Principal Chief' John Ross's >>> sister - who >>> was one of those that escaped to Tennessee. >>> >>> Richard T. >>> >>> >>> > >

I have another mailing list for those who are interested in Cherokee [email protected] It could do with some new blood, searching for their ancestors and posting queries and answering them. Thanks Judy On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:34 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > The Bartow County Genealogical Society is quite competent and based out of > the Bartow County Library in Cartersville, GA. The Pickens County > Historical Society based at the Pickens Library in Jasper, GA also has > MANY Cherokee > descendants. Both societies have web sites. Many, if not most, of their > members got interested in genealogy because of searching for Cherokee > ancestors. > > All of the original White husband - Cherokee wife family names that > settled > here in 1776 are still around. Some went to Oklahoma. Some stayed here > and > took state citizenship. The prominent names of these original settlers > are > Adair, Vann, Hicks, Bradley, Thompson, and Saunders/Sanders. The full > blood > Cherokees did not arrive until after the Revolution. > > > Richard T. > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > ( > http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, I know about your relashuns , Bone & Tiger. Past couple of trips , I see their names on business signs. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:36 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Family relashuns in Broken Arrow, OK > > In a message dated 8/18/2008 3:33:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Richard T., > I am part white, some of my ancestors called themselves Reagans.... I > know > that is a white name and most had red hair and blue eyes , that is > definitely a white trait? My ggrandmother I do not think a princess, but > my > cuzn was. My cuzn was Cherokee Princess in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. I > guess > that is an honor, I do not know what a person does to become one... very > pretty she was/is. > > Richard B. > > > > Lordamercy Richard B! we might be distant relashuns! Some of my Creek > relashuns (the Bones) live in Broken Arrow. > > Sorry, all my Creek ancestors were just farmers, very good farmers, but > just farmers. > > Richard T. > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Please spell it escaped, I'm a former educator. Leon will probably tell you the answer to this, but I would bet the best chance is finding some of the descendent names is on the 1925 (final) Baker Roll of the Eastern Cherokees. However........, some of my relatives applied to the western Dawes Roll (1890s) , and they were living in the east....Gatlinburg, TN. Probably, livin on the wrong side and wanted to go west... :o) Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "barbara keel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Excaped Cherokees > Is there a way to find out names? > > > > > > > > [email protected] wrote: >> Richard B and Tim Bonedigger >> >> There are quite a few prominent families in Bartow, Gordon and Floyd >> Counties (such as the Vanns, Adairs, & Bradleys) who are descended >> from Cherokees >> who hid out in Tennessee until the soldiers left, then came back to >> Georgia, >> where they were hidden by their white relatives. The county manager of >> Bartow County is a direct descendant of Principal Chief' John Ross's >> sister - who >> was one of those that escaped to Tennessee. >> >> Richard T. >> >> >> >> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your >> budget? >> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 >> ) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

The Bartow County Genealogical Society is quite competent and based out of the Bartow County Library in Cartersville, GA. The Pickens County Historical Society based at the Pickens Library in Jasper, GA also has MANY Cherokee descendants. Both societies have web sites. Many, if not most, of their members got interested in genealogy because of searching for Cherokee ancestors. All of the original White husband - Cherokee wife family names that settled here in 1776 are still around. Some went to Oklahoma. Some stayed here and took state citizenship. The prominent names of these original settlers are Adair, Vann, Hicks, Bradley, Thompson, and Saunders/Sanders. The full blood Cherokees did not arrive until after the Revolution. Richard T. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 )

Richard T., I am part white, some of my ancestors called themselves Reagans.... I know that is a white name and most had red hair and blue eyes , that is definitely a white trait? My ggrandmother I do not think a princess, but my cuzn was. My cuzn was Cherokee Princess in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. I guess that is an honor, I do not know what a person does to become one... very pretty she was/is. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annette McLane" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Does anybody have information on my Scottishancestors? > Richard, Scots and Scots-Irish were all over the early American > Colonies... having been among the first colonial settlers that immigrated > from England ... many may have been indentured servants or just individual > families seeking religious freedom, those that broke ties with England; > many were among the first families that left the eastern shore colonies > and began the western and southeastern migrations into the new > territories, particularly to GA and AL. In tracing your > great-grandmother's lineage, you will have quite a challenge, but > beginning I think with her "maiden" name.... which may or may not tell you > very much, since she may not have used the name of her father, but > consider the surnames of families in the community where she lived. Early > church records or names of churches established in her community might > offer strong clues. > > Annette > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:19:54 AM > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Does anybody have information on my Scottish > ancestors? > > Hey, > > I am new to this web site. I think I am part white - Scottish to be > exact - > but I can't prove it. The census records only give the race of my Creek > ancestors. The others have blank spaces for race. There is a story in > my > family that my great-grandmother Janie Mae had some Scottish blood. She > never > would talk about it though. Folks would ask her if she was part > Scottish. She > would only say, "I don't want to talk about it. The English treated my > ancestors like dirt back in Scotland." > > Richard T. > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Annette, It was a joke! I think I am part White, but can't prove it! We constantly get people coming on the message board and saying, "I think I am part Indian, but can't prove it" I am more Scottish than I am Creek. This time a year, I look so Creek, because my freckles have grown together! LOL Richard T. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 )

Richard T., Really amazing... A few months back a casual acquaintence mentioned his Cherokee and I asked name. He did not know his genealogy , but said the name is Vann. I copied some generic Vann for him..... no excitement, he said he did not recognize any of the information. (I think I see now... he is likely part of these hide out Cherokees who avoided the emigrations.... so his family does not show up much....). Really neat to hear these things... Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Excaped Cherokees > Richard B and Tim Bonedigger > > There are quite a few prominent families in Bartow, Gordon and Floyd > Counties (such as the Vanns, Adairs, & Bradleys) who are descended from > Cherokees > who hid out in Tennessee until the soldiers left, then came back to > Georgia, > where they were hidden by their white relatives. The county manager of > Bartow County is a direct descendant of Principal Chief' John Ross's > sister - who > was one of those that escaped to Tennessee. > > Richard T. > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Is there a way to find out names? [email protected] wrote: > Richard B and Tim Bonedigger > > There are quite a few prominent families in Bartow, Gordon and Floyd > Counties (such as the Vanns, Adairs, & Bradleys) who are descended from Cherokees > who hid out in Tennessee until the soldiers left, then came back to Georgia, > where they were hidden by their white relatives. The county manager of > Bartow County is a direct descendant of Principal Chief' John Ross's sister - who > was one of those that escaped to Tennessee. > > Richard T. > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Richard B and Tim Bonedigger There are quite a few prominent families in Bartow, Gordon and Floyd Counties (such as the Vanns, Adairs, & Bradleys) who are descended from Cherokees who hid out in Tennessee until the soldiers left, then came back to Georgia, where they were hidden by their white relatives. The county manager of Bartow County is a direct descendant of Principal Chief' John Ross's sister - who was one of those that escaped to Tennessee. Richard T. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 )

Hello, Richard T, So all that has been written about the names of the three Sehoys--"Princess of the Wind Clan" is bull ? What about Hopoithle Mico King of Talisi, Bird-Tail King of Cusseta, Little Prince Spoko Kange of Broken Arrow, King of Auttossee, King of the Natchez Tribe (uncle of Mrs. Nancy "Haw" Grey, Red Shoes King of Coosawda, Mad Dog King of Tuckabetchee, Hollering King of Coweta, Warrior King of Cusseta, etc. etc. etc. Many of these "King" titles were direct quotes from Pickett's "History of Alabama". In describing the Green Corn Ceremony, Hastie-Thompson's book states "This large granary, known as the King's Crib, was located near the common field, and was constructed of stone and dirt covered with cane mats." (I realize that the place names are spelled in several different ways) Many other examples, of course. Thanks, gmw

Interesting additional information. Thanks. Somewhere (?) in my books I have the census of the 16,000 who were sent to Oklahoma, ... think it is called "Those Who Cried" . Mention is made of rounding up families, censusing families (so to know their locations when the time came...). There was nothing said in my book of deals made with groups so that they did not have to remove. All that was said was that about 1100 escaped and hid out in the mountains. No mention of what became of them, it would have been difficult since they had no "place" or legal status (as a human being...). I just supposed the hide out Cherokee eventually came to live with some they knew. Saddest comment I heard was about the Cherokee mother , who as she was being pushed away from her home (for the last time) asked to feed her chickens before she left with the soldiers. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Beard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Need help with a mystery > > Please keep in mind that the core group of ancestors of the Eastern Band > of Cherokees were the Oconaluftee group who had seperated from the > Cherokee nation some 20 years before the Removal, they had accepted the > 640 acre reservation granted to the head of each household, and North > Carolina citizenship, it was a total of 49 families and I think their > names appear on the reservation roll. > they were exempt from the Removal, and during the removal were hesitant > about taking in any Cherokee Refugees hiding out from the soldiers to > avoid removal. > I think that after the removal some Cherokee families who had avoided > removal did merge with the Oconaluftee Band, but many families did not, > and probably never came forward when later tribal rolls were taken for the > Eastern Band of Cherokees > > --- On Sun, 8/17/08, Sam Gipson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: Sam Gipson <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Need help with a mystery >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 10:55 PM >> Thank you for the information Richard. >> I will check the Baker Rolls. Think I have >> already done that. >> >> Tks, Sam Arkansas >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "csmoke" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Need help with a mystery >> >> >> > Yes, >> > early decades of 1800 to 1836 , Cherokees were in the >> southeast. When >> > this >> > govt removed about 16,000 to Oklahoma Territory ( >> about 1/4 of that number >> > died on the trail.. and of course did not arrive.) >> > >> > During your time slot.... 1817 to about 1828 , there >> were Cherokees >> > resettling to north central Arkansas (reservation >> land..) . And , just >> > prior to removal in 1835/36/37 , about 1100 or so in >> the southeast >> > "escaped >> > to the hills" rather than be removed. These >> 1100 are the Eastern >> > Cherokees >> > and many family names will later show up on their roll >> .. the Baker Roll. >> > >> > Richard B. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "CheeryFats" >> <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:06 PM >> > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Need help with a mystery >> > >> > >> >> In 1824 in Early County, GA, Elizabeth Boles >> married Abraham Warren. >> >> Abraham is a ggggguncle of mine. Just a few >> months ago I met, over >> >> the internet, a direct descendant of Elizabeth and >> Abraham (and >> >> several other folks, from whom I descend too). My >> new-found cousin >> >> wanted to know if I had any info on Elizabeth, who >> was American >> >> Indian according to family lore. I didn't >> even know her last name, >> >> so my new-found cousin was way ahead of me. And >> that is how I have >> >> become interested in these Boles. >> >> >> >> Elizabeth and Abraham moved to Coffee County, AL >> and spent several >> >> decades there, then followed their children to >> Henderson County, TX. >> >> The last time I can find them in the census is in >> 1870 in Athens, >> >> Henderson County, TX., though in 1880 Elizabeth >> (then a widow) was >> >> living with their son James. >> >> >> >> There were other Boles in Coffee County, AL during >> those early years, >> >> but there were many more in Henderson County, TX, >> and they were >> >> living near (because they were related through >> marriages) some >> >> Cadenheads. >> >> >> >> I figured that the Boles in Early County GA, >> Coffee County AL and >> >> Henderson County TX were most likely Creeks. >> Indeed, an early (no >> >> pun intended) brief history of Early County, GA >> stated that: >> >> >> >> "Unlike the other counties, it [Early] had >> within its borders a few >> >> Indian towns, where some small bodies of >> "Creeks" had their homes." >> >> >> http://genforum.genealogy.com/sheffield/messages/1936.html >> >> >> >> As I continued searching, I came across >> information that the >> >> Henderson County TX Boles, along with the >> Cadenheads who were their >> >> relatives and neighbors, were Cherokees. Data I >> have seen over the >> >> internet (not the actual documents) includes this >> example: >> >> >> >> "BOLES/CADENHEAD APPLICATION FOR MEMBERSHIP, >> CHEROKEE NATION 1896 >> >> All persons named in this application are members >> of one large >> >> extended family, related by blood and marriage. >> This information was >> >> received from the National Archives in Fort Worth, >> Texas. It >> >> consisted of 42 legal size photocopied pages of >> documents relating to >> >> the applications and appeal of denied citizenship. >> Denial was based >> >> on the fact that James Boles' name was not on >> one of the official >> >> Cherokee Census rolls taken in 1835, 1848, 1851 or >> 1852 and that >> >> James Boles never resided in Indian Territory. All >> persons named in >> >> this are all members of one extended family and >> the report proves >> >> thier lineage and relationship to each >> other." >> >> >> >> This application contained numerous statements >> from witnesses that >> >> the Boles and Cadenheads involved were indeed >> Cherokee. >> >> >> >> Now back to Elizabeth Boles who married my Abraham >> Warren. I have >> >> gotten no further in determining her ancestry, let >> alone whether she >> >> was related to the Boles who were in Henderson >> County, TX, though >> >> there is a hint or two that she may have been. >> What I would >> >> appreciate knowing from any of you is whether >> there is any record of >> >> the names of the Creek families who supposedly >> were in Early County >> >> GA in the first few decades of 1800. And, while >> this seems far- >> >> fetched to me, do any of you know if any Cherokees >> were there at that >> >> time? >> >> >> >> Many thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to >> >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without >> >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

I finished adding all the Companies and Regiments to the Indian Home Guard today. 42nd Congress, House of Representatives Report, 2nd Session, No. 96, Alleged Frauds Against Certain Indian Soldiers, 1872. http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/pension/ You will find these listed at the bottom as Payments by Regiment and Company for Indian Home Guard. These had grown so much with the additions that I moved them to a page of their own. Evelyn mentioned she saw sever names that were familiar, I agree when I was typing this, I kept running across names I have seen in other books or on mailing lists. I don't remember every name I see, but some just kept jumping off the page. This book is full of names, and I have tried to list pages that have sets of names on them, check the index for them. Thanks Judy

I think your questions are for gatherers.. .. a hunter would not know these things. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:23 AM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Creeks, could you live off the land? > > I posted this quiz on a single's dating web site yesterday. Obvious that > I > won't find a significant other in this degenerate edge of Metro Atlanta! > Sadly, not one American lady has scored over 25% on the test. The > highest score > (65) came from a lady in Mayland, Australia. Everyone missed question 20. > I would hope that Creeks could do better, since we were once master > farmers. > If you want the answers contact me on my regular email address, since > this > is not normal material for the Creek-Southeast message board. > > Richard T. > > > Could You Live Off the Land? > > 1) The bud of the asparagus plant has contains more protein than any other > vegetable? > Yes > No > 2) Asparagus plants should be planted in what material in order to > survive > and be prolific? > Sand > Gravel > Georgia Clay > Manure > 3) The correct name for a female dairy goat is? > Doe > Ewe > Nanny > Sow > 4) What does "freshening" mean on a farm? > Putting lime on manure > Painting the barn > When a dairy animal has babies > Spreading lime on the garden > 5) A goose primarily eats grass? > Yes > No > 6) Corn seed should be planted when? > In the Fall so it can have an early start the next Spring > As soon as the ground thaws > After the Summer solstice > After the last Spring frost > 7) What important by-product of curing manure is usually wasted by > American > farmers? > Calcium deposits > Worms for fishermen > Natural antibiotics > Methane gas > 8) Which vegetable is most likely to cause botulism food poisoning if > canned > improperly? > Green beans > Tomatoes > Sweet pickles > Dill pickles > 9) Which of the following plants are by far the most nutritious fodder > for > dairy goats and cows? > Kudzu > Kentucky 31 Fescue > Oat hay > Corn stalks > 10) Which type of wood is the best for starting a fire in a wood stove? > Black Locust > Tulip Poplar > Yellow Pine > Sumac > 11) Which of these woods make the longest burning coals in your wood > stove? > There are two correct answers. > Black Cherry > Yellow Pine > Black Locust > Red Cedar > 12) Spinach seedlings can be planted before the last Spring frost? > Yes > No > 13) Sugar Snap Peas love the hot summer sun and should not be planted too > early in the Spring when the nights are cool? > True > False > 14) When is the best time to butcher a hog? > Full Moon in June > New Moon in August > Late Fall after a frost > Coldest day in January > 15) Herd dogs and dairy goats get very nervous the day before a major > snow > storm rolls in? > Yes > No > 16) Lye is made by? > Running rainwater through ashes > Cooking down chitlings > Heating powered limestone until red hot > Mixing ammonia with chlorine bleach > 17) What is the other major ingredient of lye soap? > Bayberries > Any candle wax > A mixture of flour and sugar > Animal fat > 18) The primary ingredients of farmstead cheese are pasteurized milk, a > commercial lactic bacteria, salt and ...? > Rennet > Sugar > Corn syrup > Baking Soda > 19) Before smoking meat in a smoke house, the cuts of meat should be ...? > Rolled in hot coals > Soaked in a brine mixture of salt and sugar > Cooked in an oven for two hours > Coated with baking soda > 20) What is Brunswick stew? > A vile food eaten by cannibals on the Brunswick Peninsula of New Guinea > Traditional Scottish stew made with carrots, lamb, potatoes and cabbage > Traditional Creek Indian stew made with several meats and vegetables - > cooked for 24 hours. > Traditional Maine seafood chowder made from clams, vegetables, cream and > potatoes. > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >