Of course, the sparkleberry is a type of wild blueberry native to Florida. The wild blueberry was a very important food of the Creeks because it was very high in nutrition, but also could easily be dried for use in the winter. The blueberry is native only to North America. In the Georgia Mountains, wild blueberries are the predominant ground cover. They literally cover the ground of many mountains from the edge of the rhododendron thickets up to the very top. Blueberries are also the reason that bears are so numerous here. They provide a significant proportion of the black bear's diet. Creek towns maintained cultivated beds of wild blueberries on tracts of land that were no longer used for corn and beans. Creek cooks often mixed dried blueberries, persimmons, plums (prunes) and strawberries together to make a winter time desert filled with carbohydrates, antioxidants and vitamin C. Richard T. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

I am trying to find someone to identify plants here that were > used by Creek. There are 2 plants that are very similiar one is Yaupon and > the other looks almost identical. Mvhayv Hello Mvhayv, I don't know if I can identify with words, but yaupon has tiny leaves. The bark is light gray in color. The female plant has red berries throughout the year, expecially around Christmas time. You probably already know that this plant is the sacred "black drink" of the Creeks. I've taken it many times, both ceremonially and socially. Yaupon was the only plant containing caffeine that the southern NDN's had. It was thought to be poisonous by the first whites who observed the partakers vomiting. It was scientifically called Illex Vomitoria. But consider that it was drunk in huge amounts to purge the system. If we drank modern coffee or tea in the same amounts, we'd vomit also. After vomiting out the stomach contents, followed by the huge caffeine jolt that the yaupon delivered, the NDN's became "clear headed" and ready to make important decisions which their meetings called for. Interesting, whites also used this native tea when India tea wasn't available. An interesting book on the subject is "Black Drink, A Native American Tea" edited by Charles M. Hudson. Another plant that looks similar to me, is the cursed "English Privet", an intrusive plant, introduced from Europe. Paul Hornsby

> "one seed makes you larger , one seed makes you small , and the one mother > gives you , doesn't do anything at all,... go ask Alice..."""". Oh oh, who's been in the morning glorys? P.H.

I am determined to wild gather on my home of twenty acres of swamp, woods, and clearing for pasture, home, and garden. I live in North Florida, almost in Alabama. This year I picked and prepared poke greens for the first time. I did pick them early in the spring, the leaves shouldn't linger than the length of your hand. I blanched them in boiling water 3 times, draining and replacing the water each time. I only used a small piece of low fat bacon to quickly saute after that. They were the best greens I had ever had. All parts of the poke plant can be used by someone that knows medicine. Last week some one started laughing when I told them about the tiny little wild blue berries I had found and I was informed they were sparkle berries , the blackberries stopped producing just before the sparkle berries turned green. I have also found 2 kinds of wild grape, a large variety and a smaller one. I had a wild persimmon tree but something broke it down. I also gather the green pads of the cactus and the blooms. I am trying to find someone to identify plants here that were used by Creek. There are 2 plants that are very similiar one is Yaupon and the other looks almost identical. Mvhayv ----- Original Message ----- From: "csmoke" > Phil, > My experience also, my people only eat the poke at the very earliest in > the > spring when it is small and just comming up .. the tops of the small new > plants. It was considered an annual spring experience "to clean out your > innards". Cooked in small pieces, fried in a skillet with bacon grease > and > bits of bacon. Never understood why they did not get heart disease and > clogged arteries from all that bacon they had to eat. Come to think of > it, > my native grandfather died of heart disease. > > Richard B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Whitley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:07 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Appearance of the Native Sweet Potato > > >> Sam, poke sallat is best when you use the young leaves. I thought I had >> better let you know that it should be boiled two or three times, pouring >> off the water each time. Poke contains oxalic acid, which isn't good for >> you. My grandma mixed her poke with turnip greens since it is pretty >> strong-flavored. >> >> Brew >> ========== >> >> Sam Gipson wrote: >> >>>We have Poke Salad in our back yard on the creek >>>bed, She ha snot cooked it yet. Some is at least 4 feet tall. Bet it >>>is >>>tough. >>>Tks, Sam >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Phil, My experience also, my people only eat the poke at the very earliest in the spring when it is small and just comming up .. the tops of the small new plants. It was considered an annual spring experience "to clean out your innards". Cooked in small pieces, fried in a skillet with bacon grease and bits of bacon. Never understood why they did not get heart disease and clogged arteries from all that bacon they had to eat. Come to think of it, my native grandfather died of heart disease. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Whitley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Appearance of the Native Sweet Potato > Sam, poke sallat is best when you use the young leaves. I thought I had > better let you know that it should be boiled two or three times, pouring > off the water each time. Poke contains oxalic acid, which isn't good for > you. My grandma mixed her poke with turnip greens since it is pretty > strong-flavored. > > Brew > ========== > > Sam Gipson wrote: > >>We have Poke Salad in our back yard on the creek >>bed, She ha snot cooked it yet. Some is at least 4 feet tall. Bet it >>is >>tough. >>Tks, Sam >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

When visiting the "5 Civilized Tribes Museum" (long ago..) I purchased a book about the plants used by the Inds and plants were identified by common names and scientific. They may have an on line book store or a polite communication may provide further help. The tribe at Talequah, OK, Ind Center has a seminar weekend on plants (or used to...). On Labor Day weekend , comming up, they will have native food cooking demonstrations. Not on any circumstance should you have food style dealings with plants unless you have absolute identifications etc. (some cases your life will depend on it). Locally, we had a couple of guys (new agers??) who thought they had some wild carrots dug. Well, they are dead now from ingesting the mis-identification. Not long ago I became aware of a plant root the old Cheys spirituals used and commonly referred to as sweet medicine. I think I eventually identified it, but further reading indicated there are about 26 or more varieties....do you know which one and how to use. And..., then there are ways of usage (not always mentioned...:o) "one seed makes you larger , one seed makes you small , and the one mother gives you , doesn't do anything at all,... go ask Alice..."""". Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "sksenn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Appearance of the Native Sweet Potato > Well these had white blooms which were larger than the morning glory > blooms. > She was pointing out things that could be eaten if you wanted to try them. > Said her grandmother cooked them. Also polk salad and some kinds of grass > or > that was what it looked like to me. Been a long time. > Susie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:54 PM > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Appearance of the Native Sweet Potato > > >> Susie, >> >> When I was working on the 9Fu14 mound and village site on the >> Chattahoochee >> River, many moons ago, Dr. Kelley identified three strains of the edible >> sweet potato on the tract. Each had differently colored flowers, but I >> don't >> remember the colors. There were also some wild Morning Glory varieties >> on the >> site also, which had cross pollinated with the domesticated plants. >> They >> were vines instead of bushes, but had larger than normal roots. >> >> Richard T. >> >> >> >> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your >> travel >> deal here. >> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

One way of doctoring the books and more cash in his pocket. They use to also keep two sets of books;. One legal and one illegal. Or transferring one book to another, to do away with the original book. Some businesses do that now. Tks, Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evelyn S. Leslie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:31 AM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Indian Home Guard > Judy wrote: > <Some how the Indians appointed Mr. Wright as power of attorney. He > charged > each one of them $15 for paying them $85 their money, I am just getting > into > the part of how much he recieved for larger amounts. I do believe that > much > of the trial is in the book also. The information I have put up on the > Home > Guard was interesting because the payment dates were for 2 different > years, > but one entry could be for 1869 while the next one would be for 1868, in a > journal type book, other than pulling out the pages I don't quite > understand > how something paid in 1869 could have an entery for 1868 after it. I am > guessing they might have just sat down and started writing enteries and > none > of the receipts are in order either.> > > Thanks for the additional information, Judy. As a sidenote, awhile back I > clicked on the link you have on Access Genealogy for online books, Native > American, and read The American Indian as Participant in the Civil War by > Annie Heloise Abel. I went back to that online book last night and was > able to tie some of the names you listed to the Indian regiments, how they > began, etc. It had been awhile since I had read that book, so names like > Wright rang a distant chord but my senior memory failed me as to > why...lol. For anyone else following their Indian ancestors into the > Civil War, this is a really good book choice that Judy linked to. It > contains much of the correspondence dealing with recruitment and > enlistment and forming of regiments and how and why. For instance, most > of the Five Civilized Tribes refused to fight in a mixed regiment of > Creek/Cherokee/Chickasaw but Creeks and Seminoles got along just fine, > partly because their language was almost identical. > > I will be looking forward to "the rest of the story" on Mr. Wright. > > Evelyn S. Leslie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judy wrote: <Some how the Indians appointed Mr. Wright as power of attorney. He charged each one of them $15 for paying them $85 their money, I am just getting into the part of how much he recieved for larger amounts. I do believe that much of the trial is in the book also. The information I have put up on the Home Guard was interesting because the payment dates were for 2 different years, but one entry could be for 1869 while the next one would be for 1868, in a journal type book, other than pulling out the pages I don't quite understand how something paid in 1869 could have an entery for 1868 after it. I am guessing they might have just sat down and started writing enteries and none of the receipts are in order either.> Thanks for the additional information, Judy. As a sidenote, awhile back I clicked on the link you have on Access Genealogy for online books, Native American, and read The American Indian as Participant in the Civil War by Annie Heloise Abel. I went back to that online book last night and was able to tie some of the names you listed to the Indian regiments, how they began, etc. It had been awhile since I had read that book, so names like Wright rang a distant chord but my senior memory failed me as to why...lol. For anyone else following their Indian ancestors into the Civil War, this is a really good book choice that Judy linked to. It contains much of the correspondence dealing with recruitment and enlistment and forming of regiments and how and why. For instance, most of the Five Civilized Tribes refused to fight in a mixed regiment of Creek/Cherokee/Chickasaw but Creeks and Seminoles got along just fine, partly because their language was almost identical. I will be looking forward to "the rest of the story" on Mr. Wright. Evelyn S. Leslie

Some how the Indians appointed Mr. Wright as power of attorney. He charged each one of them $15 for paying them $85 their money, I am just getting into the part of how much he recieved for larger amounts. I do believe that much of the trial is in the book also. The information I have put up on the Home Guard was interesting because the payment dates were for 2 different years, but one entry could be for 1869 while the next one would be for 1868, in a journal type book, other than pulling out the pages I don't quite understand how something paid in 1869 could have an entery for 1868 after it. I am guessing they might have just sat down and started writing enteries and none of the receipts are in order either. There are also more claims to be added and you will see from some of that that a widow, parent or child claim they were never paid the money. But then we all know this was very common. I am also working on Allotment of Lands to the Delaware Indians, http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/delaware/ Again if you read the letters, you will see that the governent was in no rush to get these lands settled on the tribes they belonged to. There is no way we can change any of this now, but we can keep adding the information so others may be able to find their ancestors. Judy On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Evelyn S. Leslie <[email protected]>wrote: > Judy wrote: > <I am working to the rest of this book as it was suggested by the > Department > of Justice felt Mr. J. W, Wright was guilty of embezzlement. There is > more > information on how he used the money provided by the government and whether > he paid all the claims or not. Hopefully I will get this information up > this week.> > > Judy, I am really looking forward to the rest of the information. I would > be very surprised if all the claims were paid. The misuse of Indian monies > for anything and everything are so well-documented that I'm always surprised > when I learn of anything that was handled honestly and above-board and the > Indians involved received a just settlement! I don't quite understand Mr. > Wright's status, though. Was he part of a private enterprise being paid by > the government to handle the payments, or was he a government employee? > Thanks! > Evelyn > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 8/19/2008 5:38:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Richard, I think the morning glory seeds will make you sing "Jefferson Airplane songs" & see white abbits. Paul Hornsby That's cool Paul, as along as Muscadine Records cuts the album. Dr. Kelly also theorized that Muskogean priests used the morning glory seeds for rituals. It might explain the tradition that Wind Clan priests could travel outside the galaxy from the temple atop the spiral mound at Ochesee (Lamar Village.) By the way, three years ago I got to jam with John Densmore of the Doors at outdoor birthday party in Buckhead. Densmore played lead guitar. I played drums. None of the other guys told me that I was playing with a member of the Doors, until the end! I kept on saying "Dang" that guy plays those Jim Morrison songs just like he is the real thing! He was the real thing. Afterward he told me that I did alright, playing his music - although my drumming style was more like Santana than the Doors. LOL Richard T. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Sam, poke sallat is best when you use the young leaves. I thought I had better let you know that it should be boiled two or three times, pouring off the water each time. Poke contains oxalic acid, which isn't good for you. My grandma mixed her poke with turnip greens since it is pretty strong-flavored. Brew ========== Sam Gipson wrote: >We have Poke Salad in our back yard on the creek >bed, She ha snot cooked it yet. Some is at least 4 feet tall. Bet it is >tough. >Tks, Sam > > > >

Thank you. Did not know that. May be why my W. Virginia wife wants' to cook me some. LOL Like lots of food, veggies, the younger the food is, the better it taste. Being a retired LE Detective, I did not want to be arrested for using the Poke greens, at too young an age. LOL Thank you, Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Whitley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Appearance of the Native Sweet Potato > Sam, poke sallat is best when you use the young leaves. I thought I had > better let you know that it should be boiled two or three times, pouring > off the water each time. Poke contains oxalic acid, which isn't good for > you. My grandma mixed her poke with turnip greens since it is pretty > strong-flavored. > > Brew > ========== > > Sam Gipson wrote: > >>We have Poke Salad in our back yard on the creek >>bed, She ha snot cooked it yet. Some is at least 4 feet tall. Bet it >>is >>tough. >>Tks, Sam >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Richard T, Great job you did. Now I know why you can beat a mean tune on a NA drum. Charlie Rich, Behind Closed Doors, use to live here in our home town, Benton, Arkansas, years ago. The Silver Fox. Tks, Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:29 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Uses of Morning Glory family by Creeks > In a message dated 8/19/2008 5:38:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Richard, > I think the morning glory seeds will make you sing "Jefferson Airplane > songs" & see white abbits. > Paul Hornsby > > That's cool Paul, as along as Muscadine Records cuts the album. Dr. > Kelly > also theorized that Muskogean priests used the morning glory seeds for > rituals. It might explain the tradition that Wind Clan priests could > travel > outside the galaxy from the temple atop the spiral mound at Ochesee > (Lamar > Village.) > > By the way, three years ago I got to jam with John Densmore of the Doors > at > outdoor birthday party in Buckhead. Densmore played lead guitar. I > played > drums. None of the other guys told me that I was playing with a member > of the > Doors, until the end! I kept on saying "Dang" that guy plays those Jim > Morrison songs just like he is the real thing! He was the real thing. > Afterward he told me that I did alright, playing his music - although my > drumming > style was more like Santana than the Doors. LOL > > Richard T. > > > > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> There were also some wild Morning Glory varieties on the > site also, which had cross pollinated with the domesticated plants. Richard, I think the morning glory seeds will make you sing "Jefferson Airplane songs" & see white rabbits. Paul Hornsby

We have Poke Salad in our back yard on the creek bed, She ha snot cooked it yet. Some is at least 4 feet tall. Bet it is tough. Tks, Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "sksenn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Appearance of the Native Sweet Potato > Well these had white blooms which were larger than the morning glory > blooms. > She was pointing out things that could be eaten if you wanted to try them. > Said her grandmother cooked them. Also polk salad and some kinds of grass > or > that was what it looked like to me. Been a long time. > Susie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:54 PM > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Appearance of the Native Sweet Potato > > >> Susie, >> >> When I was working on the 9Fu14 mound and village site on the >> Chattahoochee >> River, many moons ago, Dr. Kelley identified three strains of the edible >> sweet potato on the tract. Each had differently colored flowers, but I >> don't >> remember the colors. There were also some wild Morning Glory varieties >> on the >> site also, which had cross pollinated with the domesticated plants. >> They >> were vines instead of bushes, but had larger than normal roots. >> >> Richard T. >> >> >> >> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your >> travel >> deal here. >> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Susie, When I was working on the 9Fu14 mound and village site on the Chattahoochee River, many moons ago, Dr. Kelley identified three strains of the edible sweet potato on the tract. Each had differently colored flowers, but I don't remember the colors. There were also some wild Morning Glory varieties on the site also, which had cross pollinated with the domesticated plants. They were vines instead of bushes, but had larger than normal roots. Richard T. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Judy wrote: <I am working to the rest of this book as it was suggested by the Department of Justice felt Mr. J. W, Wright was guilty of embezzlement. There is more information on how he used the money provided by the government and whether he paid all the claims or not. Hopefully I will get this information up this week.> Judy, I am really looking forward to the rest of the information. I would be very surprised if all the claims were paid. The misuse of Indian monies for anything and everything are so well-documented that I'm always surprised when I learn of anything that was handled honestly and above-board and the Indians involved received a just settlement! I don't quite understand Mr. Wright's status, though. Was he part of a private enterprise being paid by the government to handle the payments, or was he a government employee? Thanks! Evelyn

Richard, I remember my mother pointing out a plant to me one time that she referred to as lions tongue. I know this plant grows in the woods in the mountains, as well as in the piedmont region. It was a kind of dark green leaf with a white stripe in the middle, there may be another name for this plant, but My Mother referred to it as Lions tongue... Do you know of this plant, and what it is used for ?

Did not know that, might be interesting to watch but do not think I want to try it! Susie ----- Original Message ----- From: "songmaker2" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Appearance of the Native Sweet Potato > >> There were also some wild Morning Glory varieties on the >> site also, which had cross pollinated with the domesticated plants. > > Richard, > I think the morning glory seeds will make you sing "Jefferson > Airplane > songs" & see white rabbits. > Paul Hornsby > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well these had white blooms which were larger than the morning glory blooms. She was pointing out things that could be eaten if you wanted to try them. Said her grandmother cooked them. Also polk salad and some kinds of grass or that was what it looked like to me. Been a long time. Susie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:54 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Appearance of the Native Sweet Potato > Susie, > > When I was working on the 9Fu14 mound and village site on the > Chattahoochee > River, many moons ago, Dr. Kelley identified three strains of the edible > sweet potato on the tract. Each had differently colored flowers, but I > don't > remember the colors. There were also some wild Morning Glory varieties > on the > site also, which had cross pollinated with the domesticated plants. They > were vines instead of bushes, but had larger than normal roots. > > Richard T. > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >