Hey Richard B! Yes, the homeland of the Yuchi is only about 50 miles from where I live - in the Hiwassee River Valley. That is where they were massacred by the Cherokees. However, there were still lots of Yuchi communities in Georgia and South Carolina in the early 1800s. Also, there were documented Yuchi families speaking Yuchi only 35 miles from here as late as 1911...so where did they go? No one seems to know. Richard T. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Richard, If I remember correctly there was a town of Yuchi Indians, located in the Cherokee Nation, it may have been at Hiwassee, and I know that some Natchez also lived in the Cherokee Nation, I assume that both groups became assimilated into the Cherokee Nation. I have a distant cousin who told me that she was also of Creek-cherokee descent, and her Creek ancestors had been traced back to living around the Pacolet area in South Carolina, and during the removal her Creek ancestors went on the Removal with the Cherokees, and the white officers in charge of the food rations wanted to not give them the food rations because they were Creeks, and not Cherokees, but the Cherokees in the group shared their food with this Creek family. I know my Creek ancestor settled near the Cherokee settlements in western N.C., and is listed on a deed in Buncombe Co. N.C. in 1812. --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Glenn Faulk <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Glenn Faulk <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Yuchi's still in the Southeast in the early 1900s > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 11:37 AM > When I was a child in Russell County, Al. near Seale, there > was land that was called a Yuchi Reserve (don't know the > meaning of the word reserve in regards to the land they > lived on).Everyone said that Yuchi people lived there and I > remember sometime in the mid-70s that they moved to Florida. > I moved away from the area in 1992 and don't have any > additional knowledge. >   > Interestingly, this made me start thinking and i did some > searching. I came across this golf course listing in Seale. > I find the name "Yuchi Reservation" quite > interesting. > http://www.golfnationwide.com/Golf-Courses-By-State/Alabama/Yuchi-Reservation___17280.aspx >   >   > Found some interesting information on this historic > Chattahoochee link > http://www.hcc-al-ga.org/tour_markers.cfm?GetPage=1&County=7 > In furthur looking, there is also the "Yuchi Pines > Institute" there. > > > > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, [email protected] > <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: [email protected] > <[email protected]> > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Yuchi's still in the > Southeast in the early 1900s > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 10:25 AM > > Hey Richard B! > > Yes, the homeland of the Yuchi is only about 50 miles from > where I live - > in the Hiwassee River Valley. That is where they were > massacred by the > Cherokees. However, there were still lots of Yuchi > communities in Georgia and > > South Carolina in the early 1800s. Also, there were > documented Yuchi > families > speaking Yuchi only 35 miles from here as late as > 1911...so where did they go? > > No one seems to know. > > Richard T. > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you > want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Timothy, I found following info on Dees in a new post on Historical Mellungeons website http://historical-melungeons.blogspot.com/ The entry under Lumbee surnames is an online book on Lumbee Surnames with a bit about history of each one - there are over 500 not just the usual few we always see so its not a short book. Under the Dees/Deas/Deese/Dease name - The Lumbee name of Dees first occurred in Bladen in 1773 and again in 1790. Wm Dees listed in Bladen in 1784. Two Deas listed as tax payers in Anson County in 1763 and two in Sampson County in 1784. They appear to have been widely dispersed over the settlement area in 1784. Richard Dees patented 150 acres in Chesterfield County, S.C. on Lynches Creek 8 July 1774 (Royal Land Grants Craven, Cheraw, and Chesterfield Counties, S.C.) !850 Robeson County, NC Census had Deas family members reporting birth in NC by 1780. The name was self-identified as Indian in the 1900 Robeson County Census. The Directory of Robeson County 1900 has some named Dees, Deese as white in Lumberton in 1900. The name is also found in Elrod and Pates (NC?). Dees was listed as an Indian name in the 1930 Census in Pembroke Township (NC). The Deese family cemeteries are in Pembroke, Elrod, & Maxton (I'm assuming in Robeson or Bladen Cos, NC). There are a lot of familiar & common names not normally associated with Lumbees listed here so if you have anyone from the areas of Bladen & Robeson Cos., NC you might want to check for other names as well. I was surprised at a couple I found listed. Marcie

Some of the names appearing on 1910 fed census in Oklahoma , list themselves as Seminole, but I also know them as Creeks (or Euchee...). Don't you think many (many..) also went into the swamps with the Seminole ,.. never surrender. Then re-emerging later in their location FL panhandle. (and I have read of other writers describing small Euchee tribal migration to their FL location , without any mention of connect to the Seminole). Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:20 AM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Do any of your Creek families have known Yuchi orShawnee ancestors? > One of the many puzzles I am trying to solve in my study of the Southern > Highlands is the disappearance of Yuchi and Shawnee communities. The > Yuchi > were all over the place in the 1700s. There were large Yuchi towns even > in the > vicinity of Marion and Old Fort, NC (on I-40 east of Asheville) up until > the > mid-18th century. Joara, which the Warren Wilson College archaeologists > are > mistakenly calling a Cherokee town, was undoubtedly Yuchi since it was > near > modern-day Marion. The main body of Cherokee immigrated into North > Carolina > from the west during the late 1600s, and never lived east of the Blue > Ridge > Mountains in North Carolina. In fact, there were only two small Cherokee > hamlets in the entire French Broad River > Valley(Asheville-Hendersonville-Marshall > area) in the mid-1700s. The surviving Indian place names in the French > Broad > River valley are all Muskogean words - eg Etowah & Swannanoa > (Suwanee-owa) > > As late as the early 1800s, we see maps of northern Georgia and western > South Carolina with Yuchi and Shawnee villages on them. The Shawnee were > in the > Highlands long before the Cherokee. They were either allies or part of > the > Creek Confederacy, but ethnically not Muskogean. Suwanee, GA in north > Metro > Atlanta, where the Falcons have their training camp, was obviously a > Shawnee > town when the white settlers arrived in the 1830s. > > The State of Tennessee has documented the presence of ethnic Yuchi hamlets > in the rugged Cohutta mountains of Polk County, TN and Fannin County, GA > as > late as 1911. However, by the mid-20th century these families had > seemingly > disappeared, and most locals today do not even know what a Yuchi is. > > However, POOF! All the Shawnee towns and most of the Yuchi towns > disappeared once the main body of Alabama Creeks were deported to > Oklahoma. The > "Friendly" Hitchiti Creeks of Georgia also seemed to disappear from > history. Yes, > there are still Yuchi communities in Oklahoma and the Florida Panhandle, > but > not nearly approaching the number of Yuchi communities scattered around > the > Southeast in the 1700s and early 1800s. > > So, did the ethnic Shawnee and Yuchi just melt into the woods and > intermarry with European and African neighbors? Did they cease calling > themselves > anything but Creek? Did they move to another part of the country? Did > they > merge with the Creeks, Cherokees and Choctaws in Oklahoma and lose their > ethnic > identity? > > So do any of you have ancestors, who were known to be Shawnee or Yuchi, > but > intermarried into Creek families and thus became known as Muscogee-Creeks > in > Oklahoma? > > > Inquiring minds want to know! > > > PS - After a month I have not received a response from Moccasin Bend > National Park about us camping there this Fall, so I guess the answer is > no. We > will look elsewhere. > > Richard T. > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Seems like we may have discussed this before (?). In the book , "Ethnology of the Yuchi Indians" written about 1905 , there was mention of how/when Yuchi (Euchee) became part of the Creek Confederation. The source said that on the colonial frontier, the Euchee were bothersome to the colonials and inhibiting westward movement. The colonials provided firearms to the Cherokee , who were enemy at time according to the description. Explanation was that although the Euchee were fortified behind log walls, the rifles could still be fired between the logs. Further , the Euchee were virtually exterminated except for a very small number of women and small children. These remainders were taken in and became part of the Creek Confederation. The Creeks gave the Euchee the official job of being the fire keepers. It would be such a sad thing to do, I'm sure the whites would not long remember that ... or the Euchee who were nearly exterminated. Richard B. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:20 AM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Do any of your Creek families have known Yuchi orShawnee ancestors? > One of the many puzzles I am trying to solve in my study of the Southern > Highlands is the disappearance of Yuchi and Shawnee communities. The > Yuchi > were all over the place in the 1700s. There were large Yuchi towns even > in the > vicinity of Marion and Old Fort, NC (on I-40 east of Asheville) up until > the > mid-18th century. Joara, which the Warren Wilson College archaeologists > are > mistakenly calling a Cherokee town, was undoubtedly Yuchi since it was > near > modern-day Marion. The main body of Cherokee immigrated into North > Carolina > from the west during the late 1600s, and never lived east of the Blue > Ridge > Mountains in North Carolina. In fact, there were only two small Cherokee > hamlets in the entire French Broad River > Valley(Asheville-Hendersonville-Marshall > area) in the mid-1700s. The surviving Indian place names in the French > Broad > River valley are all Muskogean words - eg Etowah & Swannanoa > (Suwanee-owa) > > As late as the early 1800s, we see maps of northern Georgia and western > South Carolina with Yuchi and Shawnee villages on them. The Shawnee were > in the > Highlands long before the Cherokee. They were either allies or part of > the > Creek Confederacy, but ethnically not Muskogean. Suwanee, GA in north > Metro > Atlanta, where the Falcons have their training camp, was obviously a > Shawnee > town when the white settlers arrived in the 1830s. > > The State of Tennessee has documented the presence of ethnic Yuchi hamlets > in the rugged Cohutta mountains of Polk County, TN and Fannin County, GA > as > late as 1911. However, by the mid-20th century these families had > seemingly > disappeared, and most locals today do not even know what a Yuchi is. > > However, POOF! All the Shawnee towns and most of the Yuchi towns > disappeared once the main body of Alabama Creeks were deported to > Oklahoma. The > "Friendly" Hitchiti Creeks of Georgia also seemed to disappear from > history. Yes, > there are still Yuchi communities in Oklahoma and the Florida Panhandle, > but > not nearly approaching the number of Yuchi communities scattered around > the > Southeast in the 1700s and early 1800s. > > So, did the ethnic Shawnee and Yuchi just melt into the woods and > intermarry with European and African neighbors? Did they cease calling > themselves > anything but Creek? Did they move to another part of the country? Did > they > merge with the Creeks, Cherokees and Choctaws in Oklahoma and lose their > ethnic > identity? > > So do any of you have ancestors, who were known to be Shawnee or Yuchi, > but > intermarried into Creek families and thus became known as Muscogee-Creeks > in > Oklahoma? > > > Inquiring minds want to know! > > > PS - After a month I have not received a response from Moccasin Bend > National Park about us camping there this Fall, so I guess the answer is > no. We > will look elsewhere. > > Richard T. > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

When I was a child in Russell County, Al. near Seale, there was land that was called a Yuchi Reserve (don't know the meaning of the word reserve in regards to the land they lived on).Everyone said that Yuchi people lived there and I remember sometime in the mid-70s that they moved to Florida. I moved away from the area in 1992 and don't have any additional knowledge.   Interestingly, this made me start thinking and i did some searching. I came across this golf course listing in Seale. I find the name "Yuchi Reservation" quite interesting. http://www.golfnationwide.com/Golf-Courses-By-State/Alabama/Yuchi-Reservation___17280.aspx     Found some interesting information on this historic Chattahoochee link http://www.hcc-al-ga.org/tour_markers.cfm?GetPage=1&County=7 In furthur looking, there is also the "Yuchi Pines Institute" there. --- On Fri, 8/22/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Yuchi's still in the Southeast in the early 1900s To: [email protected] Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 10:25 AM Hey Richard B! Yes, the homeland of the Yuchi is only about 50 miles from where I live - in the Hiwassee River Valley. That is where they were massacred by the Cherokees. However, there were still lots of Yuchi communities in Georgia and South Carolina in the early 1800s. Also, there were documented Yuchi families speaking Yuchi only 35 miles from here as late as 1911...so where did they go? No one seems to know. Richard T. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wished we knew who came before my grand daddy Tom Timothy (abt 1853) and from where...he was raised as an orphan, so I was told based on an uncle and daddy applying on the Guion Miller records. Where in the Panhandle are or were the Yuchi? TT ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 7:20 AM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Do any of your Creek families have known Yuchi orShawnee ancestors? > One of the many puzzles I am trying to solve in my study of the Southern > Highlands is the disappearance of Yuchi and Shawnee communities. The > Yuchi > were all over the place in the 1700s. There were large Yuchi towns even > in the > vicinity of Marion and Old Fort, NC (on I-40 east of Asheville) up until > the > mid-18th century. Joara, which the Warren Wilson College archaeologists > are > mistakenly calling a Cherokee town, was undoubtedly Yuchi since it was > near > modern-day Marion. The main body of Cherokee immigrated into North > Carolina > from the west during the late 1600s, and never lived east of the Blue > Ridge > Mountains in North Carolina. In fact, there were only two small Cherokee > hamlets in the entire French Broad River > Valley(Asheville-Hendersonville-Marshall > area) in the mid-1700s. The surviving Indian place names in the French > Broad > River valley are all Muskogean words - eg Etowah & Swannanoa > (Suwanee-owa) > > As late as the early 1800s, we see maps of northern Georgia and western > South Carolina with Yuchi and Shawnee villages on them. The Shawnee were > in the > Highlands long before the Cherokee. They were either allies or part of > the > Creek Confederacy, but ethnically not Muskogean. Suwanee, GA in north > Metro > Atlanta, where the Falcons have their training camp, was obviously a > Shawnee > town when the white settlers arrived in the 1830s. > > The State of Tennessee has documented the presence of ethnic Yuchi hamlets > in the rugged Cohutta mountains of Polk County, TN and Fannin County, GA > as > late as 1911. However, by the mid-20th century these families had > seemingly > disappeared, and most locals today do not even know what a Yuchi is. > > However, POOF! All the Shawnee towns and most of the Yuchi towns > disappeared once the main body of Alabama Creeks were deported to > Oklahoma. The > "Friendly" Hitchiti Creeks of Georgia also seemed to disappear from > history. Yes, > there are still Yuchi communities in Oklahoma and the Florida Panhandle, > but > not nearly approaching the number of Yuchi communities scattered around > the > Southeast in the 1700s and early 1800s. > > So, did the ethnic Shawnee and Yuchi just melt into the woods and > intermarry with European and African neighbors? Did they cease calling > themselves > anything but Creek? Did they move to another part of the country? Did > they > merge with the Creeks, Cherokees and Choctaws in Oklahoma and lose their > ethnic > identity? > > So do any of you have ancestors, who were known to be Shawnee or Yuchi, > but > intermarried into Creek families and thus became known as Muscogee-Creeks > in > Oklahoma? > > > Inquiring minds want to know! > > > PS - After a month I have not received a response from Moccasin Bend > National Park about us camping there this Fall, so I guess the answer is > no. We > will look elsewhere. > > Richard T. > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

One of the many puzzles I am trying to solve in my study of the Southern Highlands is the disappearance of Yuchi and Shawnee communities. The Yuchi were all over the place in the 1700s. There were large Yuchi towns even in the vicinity of Marion and Old Fort, NC (on I-40 east of Asheville) up until the mid-18th century. Joara, which the Warren Wilson College archaeologists are mistakenly calling a Cherokee town, was undoubtedly Yuchi since it was near modern-day Marion. The main body of Cherokee immigrated into North Carolina from the west during the late 1600s, and never lived east of the Blue Ridge Mountains in North Carolina. In fact, there were only two small Cherokee hamlets in the entire French Broad River Valley(Asheville-Hendersonville-Marshall area) in the mid-1700s. The surviving Indian place names in the French Broad River valley are all Muskogean words - eg Etowah & Swannanoa (Suwanee-owa) As late as the early 1800s, we see maps of northern Georgia and western South Carolina with Yuchi and Shawnee villages on them. The Shawnee were in the Highlands long before the Cherokee. They were either allies or part of the Creek Confederacy, but ethnically not Muskogean. Suwanee, GA in north Metro Atlanta, where the Falcons have their training camp, was obviously a Shawnee town when the white settlers arrived in the 1830s. The State of Tennessee has documented the presence of ethnic Yuchi hamlets in the rugged Cohutta mountains of Polk County, TN and Fannin County, GA as late as 1911. However, by the mid-20th century these families had seemingly disappeared, and most locals today do not even know what a Yuchi is. However, POOF! All the Shawnee towns and most of the Yuchi towns disappeared once the main body of Alabama Creeks were deported to Oklahoma. The "Friendly" Hitchiti Creeks of Georgia also seemed to disappear from history. Yes, there are still Yuchi communities in Oklahoma and the Florida Panhandle, but not nearly approaching the number of Yuchi communities scattered around the Southeast in the 1700s and early 1800s. So, did the ethnic Shawnee and Yuchi just melt into the woods and intermarry with European and African neighbors? Did they cease calling themselves anything but Creek? Did they move to another part of the country? Did they merge with the Creeks, Cherokees and Choctaws in Oklahoma and lose their ethnic identity? So do any of you have ancestors, who were known to be Shawnee or Yuchi, but intermarried into Creek families and thus became known as Muscogee-Creeks in Oklahoma? Inquiring minds want to know! PS - After a month I have not received a response from Moccasin Bend National Park about us camping there this Fall, so I guess the answer is no. We will look elsewhere. Richard T. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

What is, is. It's just another opportunity and that's all one can ask for. Appreciate your work and response. TT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy White" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Indian Home Guard > It is sort of like what you see is what you get. It is written as it was > in > the book. I checked the page against the book. As I add more to the book > there may be additional information. Sorry I couldn't tell you more. > > Judy > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Tim Timothy > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Some of the names like Tim-mah-tee, C Company, 1st Regiment; Corney >> Timothy, (without a comma, this appears to be as written instead of vice >> versa) E Company, 1st Regiment Additions; Tim-is-che-chee, C Company lst >> Regiment, appear to be that of Timothy or a semblance thereof. Is there >> any amplifying information or any follow up that we can do with the >> names? >> TT >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judy White" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Indian Home Guard >> >> >> >I finished adding all the Companies and Regiments to the Indian Home >> >Guard >> > today. 42nd Congress, House of Representatives Report, 2nd Session, >> > No. >> > 96, >> > Alleged Frauds Against Certain Indian Soldiers, 1872. >> > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/pension/ You will find these >> listed >> > at the bottom as Payments by Regiment and Company for Indian Home >> > Guard. >> > These had grown so much with the additions that I moved them to a page >> > of >> > their own. >> > >> > Evelyn mentioned she saw sever names that were familiar, I agree when I >> > was >> > typing this, I kept running across names I have seen in other books or >> > on >> > mailing lists. I don't remember every name I see, but some just kept >> > jumping off the page. This book is full of names, and I have tried to >> > list >> > pages that have sets of names on them, check the index for them. >> > >> > Thanks >> > Judy >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Some of the names like Tim-mah-tee, C Company, 1st Regiment; Corney Timothy, (without a comma, this appears to be as written instead of vice versa) E Company, 1st Regiment Additions; Tim-is-che-chee, C Company lst Regiment, appear to be that of Timothy or a semblance thereof. Is there any amplifying information or any follow up that we can do with the names? TT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy White" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Indian Home Guard >I finished adding all the Companies and Regiments to the Indian Home Guard > today. 42nd Congress, House of Representatives Report, 2nd Session, No. > 96, > Alleged Frauds Against Certain Indian Soldiers, 1872. > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/pension/ You will find these listed > at the bottom as Payments by Regiment and Company for Indian Home Guard. > These had grown so much with the additions that I moved them to a page of > their own. > > Evelyn mentioned she saw sever names that were familiar, I agree when I > was > typing this, I kept running across names I have seen in other books or on > mailing lists. I don't remember every name I see, but some just kept > jumping off the page. This book is full of names, and I have tried to > list > pages that have sets of names on them, check the index for them. > > Thanks > Judy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It is sort of like what you see is what you get. It is written as it was in the book. I checked the page against the book. As I add more to the book there may be additional information. Sorry I couldn't tell you more. Judy On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Tim Timothy <[email protected]>wrote: > Some of the names like Tim-mah-tee, C Company, 1st Regiment; Corney > Timothy, (without a comma, this appears to be as written instead of vice > versa) E Company, 1st Regiment Additions; Tim-is-che-chee, C Company lst > Regiment, appear to be that of Timothy or a semblance thereof. Is there > any amplifying information or any follow up that we can do with the names? > TT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy White" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Indian Home Guard > > > >I finished adding all the Companies and Regiments to the Indian Home Guard > > today. 42nd Congress, House of Representatives Report, 2nd Session, No. > > 96, > > Alleged Frauds Against Certain Indian Soldiers, 1872. > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/pension/ You will find these > listed > > at the bottom as Payments by Regiment and Company for Indian Home Guard. > > These had grown so much with the additions that I moved them to a page of > > their own. > > > > Evelyn mentioned she saw sever names that were familiar, I agree when I > > was > > typing this, I kept running across names I have seen in other books or on > > mailing lists. I don't remember every name I see, but some just kept > > jumping off the page. This book is full of names, and I have tried to > > list > > pages that have sets of names on them, check the index for them. > > > > Thanks > > Judy > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I was tempted not to go through the three blanchings, but everybody around here acted like I was going to drop dead for eating them in the first place :) Mine were not strong at all. I've heards the pork negates the oxalic acid (?). Mvhayv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Timothy" >I grew up in Century......had a brother in Molino, one in Cantonment, two >in Ensley, one in Walnut Hill, and a sister lived on a farm in Atmore >across from where the new gambling hotel is going up for the Poarch. I had >three brothers retire from St. Regis. > > I've cooked Poke as well....was good, but did not do the multiple washing > after blanching. Could of been fortunate. But, tasted great. TT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dgp" ] Appearance of Poke Greens and Sparkle Berries >>I am determined to wild gather on my home of twenty acres of swamp, woods, >> and clearing for pasture, home, and garden. >> I live in North Florida, almost in Alabama. This year I picked and >> prepared poke greens for the first time. I did pick them early in the >> spring, the leaves shouldn't linger than the length of your hand. I >> blanched >> them in boiling water 3 times, draining and replacing the water each >> time. I >> only used a small piece of low fat bacon to quickly saute after that. >> They >> were the best greens I had ever had. All parts of the poke plant can be >> used by someone that knows medicine. Last week some one started laughing >> when I told them about the tiny little wild blue berries I had found and >> I >> was informed they were sparkle berries , the blackberries stopped >> producing >> just before the sparkle berries turned green. I have also found 2 kinds >> of >> wild grape, a large variety and a smaller one. I had a wild persimmon >> tree >> but something broke it down. I also gather the green pads of the cactus >> and >> the blooms. I am trying to find someone to identify plants here that >> were >> used by Creek. There are 2 plants that are very similiar one is Yaupon >> and >> the other looks almost identical. Mvhayv >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "csmoke" >>> Phil, >>> My experience also, my people only eat the poke at the very earliest in >>> the >>> spring when it is small and just comming up .. the tops of the small new >>> plants. It was considered an annual spring experience "to clean out >>> your >>> innards". Cooked in small pieces, fried in a skillet with bacon grease >>> and >>> bits of bacon. Never understood why they did not get heart disease and >>> clogged arteries from all that bacon they had to eat. Come to think of >>> it, >>> my native grandfather died of heart disease. >>> >>> Richard B. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Phil Whitley" ] Appearance of the Native Sweet Potato >>>> Sam, poke sallat is best when you use the young leaves. I thought I had >>>> better let you know that it should be boiled two or three times, >>>> pouring >>>> off the water each time. Poke contains oxalic acid, which isn't good >>>> for >>>> you. My grandma mixed her poke with turnip greens since it is pretty >>>> strong-flavored. >>>> >>>> Brew >>>> ========== >>>> >>>> Sam Gipson wrote: >>>> >>>>>We have Poke Salad in our back yard on the creek >>>>>bed, She ha snot cooked it yet. Some is at least 4 feet tall. Bet >>>>>it >>>>>is >>>>>tough. >>>>>Tks, Sam

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Hi, Evelyn, Good to hear from you. No, I haven't heard of William Weatherford, Red Eagle, having had a child named Sarah. Further, there are no Berrys in the Index of the Weatherford Book. Thanks for thinking of me! gmw

Richard T. Would you please email me direct ; I would like very much to discuss the sparkle berries with you off this list. Thanks S L T [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:23 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Blueberries were an important fruit of the Creeks > Of course, the sparkleberry is a type of wild blueberry native to Florida. > The wild blueberry was a very important food of the Creeks because it was > very > high in nutrition, but also could easily be dried for use in the winter. > The blueberry is native only to North America. In the Georgia Mountains, > wild > blueberries are the predominant ground cover. They literally cover the > ground of many mountains from the edge of the rhododendron thickets up to > the very > top. Blueberries are also the reason that bears are so numerous here. > They > provide a significant proportion of the black bear's diet. > > Creek towns maintained cultivated beds of wild blueberries on tracts of > land > that were no longer used for corn and beans. Creek cooks often mixed > dried > blueberries, persimmons, plums (prunes) and strawberries together to make > a > winter time desert filled with carbohydrates, antioxidants and vitamin C. > > Richard T. > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1623 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 > 8:12 AM > > >

>The people still > would bristle at the thought of someone calling them "a Yaupon" because of > their ancestors. > Tim, That's very interesting. I've always been fascinated by the yaupon plant. I didn't realize it had ever been quiet that embraced by anglos. Paul Hornsby

Yaupon served a couple of tribes on Hatteras Island, (Outer Banks) and area as well as the Anglo people. Yaupon was a mainstay commercial business for the people on Hatteras Island when no other money was coming in, and specifically for those that lived in what was called Lower Kinakeet (which is most probably a derivative of another Indian name...the locals pronounced it as I wrote the word). Yes, there was an Upper Kinakeet town area as well. The two areas did not have much love lost for each other. You may know the name of the town as Avon, NC....a town just north of Buxton where once a thriving Indian population existed....as well as a Naval Facility. As for the Anglo resident, most originals were made up of shipwreck people and many that were of the pirate persuasion. Black Beard favored the Island next to Cape Hatteras, Ocracoke.....that's where the wild horses are. Yaupon harvesters were considered very much lower class of people by the other residents. I think this was back in the 1920 or 1930 time frame. There was not a bridge to connect Hatteras to the mainland near Whalebone Junction up at the northern end, therefore all transportation, including commerce, had to be by boat. The Kinakeeters would gather Yaupon and transport it across the sound to the mainland.....I knew some of the people personally that sold Yaupon for tea back then. They were a tough lapboard boat building and Yaupon harvesting bunch that would fight at the first incident of someone calling them "a Yaupon." I was stationed there in the Navy back in the early to middle 1970's, and the tight groups still existed that were leery of all strangers. Due to some local citizen programs I initiated and because of working personally with some of the people, I was made an Honorary Citizen in writing and with a Cape Hatteras Pewter Medallion, which blew everyone's mind at the Naval Facility Cape Hatteras, Buxton, NC. The people still would bristle at the thought of someone calling them "a Yaupon" because of their ancestors. TT ----- Original Message ----- From: "songmaker2" <[email protected]> To: "dgp" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Appearance of Poke Greens and Sparkle Berries > I am trying to find someone to identify plants here that were >> used by Creek. There are 2 plants that are very similiar one is Yaupon > and >> the other looks almost identical. Mvhayv > > Hello Mvhayv, > I don't know if I can identify with words, but yaupon has tiny leaves. > The > bark is light gray in color. The female plant has red berries throughout > the > year, expecially around Christmas time. > You probably already know that this plant is the sacred "black drink" > of the Creeks. I've taken it many times, both ceremonially and socially. > Yaupon was the only plant containing caffeine that the southern NDN's > had. It was thought to be poisonous by the first whites who observed the > partakers vomiting. It was scientifically called Illex Vomitoria. But > consider that it was drunk in huge amounts to purge the system. If we > drank > modern coffee or tea in the same amounts, we'd vomit also. > After vomiting out the stomach contents, followed by the huge caffeine > jolt that the yaupon delivered, the NDN's became "clear headed" and ready > to make important decisions which their meetings called for. > Interesting, whites also used this native tea when India tea wasn't > available. > An interesting book on the subject is "Black Drink, A Native American > Tea" edited by Charles M. Hudson. > Another plant that looks similar to me, is the cursed "English > Privet", > an > intrusive plant, introduced from Europe. > Paul Hornsby > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hey there! I also live in L.A. Lower Alabama - Right outside of Cantonment, Fla to be exact. We're neighbors. If you have any luck finding someone to identify the plants on your property, I would appreciate getting their information from you, as I have a small piece of land as well that I would like analyzed for edibles. Someone told me there is a professor at UWF by the name of Burkhalter who is very sharp. I just don't know if he does private evaluations. :) With 20 acres you probably have all sorts of good edibles. Kim -------------- Original message from "dgp" <[email protected]>: -------------- > I am determined to wild gather on my home of twenty acres of swamp, woods, > and clearing for pasture, home, and garden. > I live in North Florida, almost in Alabama. This year I picked and > prepared poke greens for the first time. I did pick them early in the > spring, the leaves shouldn't linger than the length of your hand. I blanched > them in boiling water 3 times, draining and replacing the water each time. I > only used a small piece of low fat bacon to quickly saute after that. They > were the best greens I had ever had. All parts of the poke plant can be > used by someone that knows medicine. Last week some one started laughing > when I told them about the tiny little wild blue berries I had found and I > was informed they were sparkle berries , the blackberries stopped producing > just before the sparkle berries turned green. I have also found 2 kinds of > wild grape, a large variety and a smaller one. I had a wild persimmon tree > but something broke it down. I also gather the green pads of the cactus and > the blooms. I am trying to find someone to identify plants here that were > used by Creek. There are 2 plants that are very similiar one is Yaupon and > the other looks almost identical. Mvhayv > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "csmoke" > > Phil, > > My experience also, my people only eat the poke at the very earliest in > > the > > spring when it is small and just comming up .. the tops of the small new > > plants. It was considered an annual spring experience "to clean out your > > innards". Cooked in small pieces, fried in a skillet with bacon grease > > and > > bits of bacon. Never understood why they did not get heart disease and > > clogged arteries from all that bacon they had to eat. Come to think of > > it, > > my native grandfather died of heart disease. > > > > Richard B. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Phil Whitley" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Appearance of the Native Sweet Potato > > > > > >> Sam, poke sallat is best when you use the young leaves. I thought I had > >> better let you know that it should be boiled two or three times, pouring > >> off the water each time. Poke contains oxalic acid, which isn't good for > >> you. My grandma mixed her poke with turnip greens since it is pretty > >> strong-flavored. > >> > >> Brew > >> ========== > >> > >> Sam Gipson wrote: > >> > >>>We have Poke Salad in our back yard on the creek > >>>bed, She ha snot cooked it yet. Some is at least 4 feet tall. Bet it > >>>is > >>>tough. > >>>Tks, Sam > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message