This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: amikepappas Surnames: McNealy, Hall, Byrd, Martin Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/3048/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Does anyone know about the Lower Creeks around Gadsden Springs, Jackson county, FL? or the McNealy plantation? Thanks... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jenniferhsrn Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/67.151.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Evelyn I have been researching the Poarch Creek band because they were neighbor's, and found the denied MS Choctaw apps, the family didn't know they were Creek! My mom's side is Choctaw, so I also research in the area for them, but My dad's is they pyburn... my email is shewhoseeks@att.net I have different information from Woodward and someone else on Sophia McGillvray and Sehoy...and have worked on the family, in fact have it on my web page as well as the Stiggins. I am figuring Jacob's mom was a neighbor, and have ruled out the Stiggins, Mims, and Dyer family, as daughter. Based on new info,and naming patterns I think her name may have been Millie/Emily or Florence. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CarmenLS_DeMuria Surnames: Bailey/Sizemore/Padgett/Burdick/Smelley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/150.476.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dixon was born in Autossee, died at Ft. Mims 8/30/13 Clake Co AL, all i've found about his wife is that she is said to be the daughter of Sohpia McGillvray and Benjamin Durant. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: EvelynLeslie25 Surnames: Sizemore/Stiggins Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/67.148.1.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My thanks to Dr. Mazelkov and to you for all the painstaking research that resulted in this tremendous book. It is the most thorough and accurate account of the families involved with the Fort Mims massacre I have ever read. It was recommended to me by a couple of long-time, excellent Creek researchers who were really excited about it. I am a descendant of Susannah Stiggins and Absolum Sizemore and you and I had corresponded in the past. Regards, Evelyn Sizemore Leslie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: EvelynLeslie25 Surnames: Sizemore/Stiggins Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/67.151.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Jennifer (? - I assume that's your name) I haven't done any Pyburn research but I am aware of their presence in and around the south Alabama Creek families. I am a Stiggins researcher, however, and recently found some Steel/Steele connections through an excellent Steele researcher. I am very interested in your grandmother, Frances Pyburn Steele, and would like very much to discuss her and husband Jacob Pyburn, Sr. with you. I also found recently that some descendants of my Creek Stiggins family were Mississippi Choctaw Dawes applicants, not Creek. I am still trying to tie all this together. Please email me at esleslie@bellsouth.net if you'd like to discuss it. Evelyn Sizemore Leslie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Info from Lynn Hastie's 1991 Weatherford book re surrounding families: Joseph Stiggins was father of Red Eagle's third wife., Mary. Joseph was born in VA on Roanoke River, an Englishman who fled to the Creek Confederacy when the French nearly wiped out the Natchez tribe, settling in what6 is now Talladega County. Mary's mother was a Natchez Indian named "Haw", English name Mrs. Nancy Gray, a daughter of Chief Solocta Chinnaby and niece of the King of the Natchez tribe. Creek War Chief William "Red Eagle Weatherford's brother John David "Jack" Weatherford married Martha "Patty" Dyer, daughter of David Tate and his wife Mrs. Margaret Dyer Powell (Powell a relative of Chief Osceola), and grandaughter of Reuben Dyer and Mary Hollinger Dyer. Reuben and two of his daughters were killed at Fort Mims. No Pyburns listed in the book. gmw

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CarmenLS_DeMuria Surnames: Bailey/Sizemore/Padgett/Burdick/Smelley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/67.148.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dixon Bailey was though to be a hero at Ft. Mims, but lost his life there. Some say his wife was a daughter of Sophia Durant. Some say she was from S.C. daughter of Sophia McGillvray and Benjamin Durant. Dixons bro. James Bailey also died at Ft Mims. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sbmoore_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/67.148.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The book A Conquering Spirit: Fort Mims and the Red Stick War 1813-1814 by Dr. Greg Waselkov has been out for over a year now. It won several Alabama history and library awards and is considered by most scholars to the best on the subject of Fort Mims. The families are all discussed. Your local library probably has a copy or can get one through interlibrary loan for you if you want to read it. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CarmenLS_DeMuria Surnames: Bailey/Sizemore/Padgett/Burdick/Smelley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/67.148.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Arthur Sizemore's wife was Mary Polly Bailey, forgot to put that in my post. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CarmenLS_DeMuria Surnames: Sizemore/Padgett/Burdick/Smelley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/67.148.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I am desended from Arthur Sizemore, he was Creek, his family lived outside of Ft. Mims, but did lose family members living within the fort. The Creek War I believe was also called the Burnt Corn. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jenniferhsrn Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/67.151.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am a choctaw descendant, but have family on my other side who was living at Fort Mim's nearby on Tensaw lake. The son enlisted at age 14 in the war, but his father and grandmother disappear. His name was Jacob Pyburn, his father also Jacob and grandmother Frances Pyburn Steel. I can find them in spanish censuses, etc, but disappear after 1810. Jacob Pyburn sr. witnessed Joseph Stiggins will, he, Reuben Dyer and Micheal Milton were closest neighbors. I am researching these families and the poarch creek relatives because I think maybe one of them is the mother of my Jacob (jr) who I don't know name of. Family history is the family is indian, but I can't find anything. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Natewhite9 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/246.347.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The original settler was named Thomas Briaus, He arrived in Virginia and settled at Manakintown in 1700, a French Huguenot Colony. The name was spelled several ways before it settled on "Bryars" for most descendants. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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Hi there, Richard! That is very helpful information. I have family living in Perdido Key and visit there often. Beautiful place. I also lived in Lake City for many years and am very familiar with Waycross, Fargo and the Great Swamp. My backyard in Tallahassee adjoins the DeSoto site, so this neighborhhood was part of the original Apalachee community. It's still beautiful over here and I can imagine what it must have been like before exploration destroyed it. I've learned a great deal of Creek history and culture from this list. Dan Penton is associated with a Creek community west of Tallahassee. Thanks, all! You have a great group. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: <TalliyaSoutheast@aol.com> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:52 PM Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] I am a member of Perdido Bay > Hey Linda! > > Thank you for the nice letter. Probably what gave you the I idea that I > live in Pensacola is that I am a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe - > based near Pensacola. However, we have more members in Georgia than in > Florida. Chief Bearheart was born in SE Georgia on the Altamaha River. > Many > Georgia Creeks moved to Pensacola during WWII to work in the shipyards. > My heritage is actually Okonee Creek from NE Georgia and NW South > Carolina. > However, the Okonees do not have a separate tribal structure. The SE > Georgia Creeks spoke the same language as the NE Georgia Creek - > Hitchiti. > That is also the language spoken by the Miccosukee in Florida. Perdido > Bay > was about as close as I could get to my actual heritage. Most of my > work, > however, is for the Muscogee (Creek) Nation of Oklahoma. > > I was born in Waycross, GA in the Okefenokee Swamp. When my family > vacationed in Florida, people thought we were mixblood Miccosukees - for > good > reason - the Miccosukees were originally the elite of the Okonees. > > Thanks again! > > Richard Thornton > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All, My local PBS station did not run this episode locally, but I searched on line and found a transcript. If others have the same problem, you can go to www.pbs.org/historydetectives, look for Episode 7, 2006: Mystery Crystal Cross, Tallahassee, FLorida. I just printed out a nice transcript of the interview. Val Shines Warmly -----Original Message----- >From: TalliyaSoutheast@aol.com >Sent: Aug 16, 2009 5:14 AM >To: creek-southeast@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Dan Penton - Creek archaeologist and elder > > >Last night, the "History Detective" on PBS ran a very interesting story >on the Apalachee People and Spanish missions among the Apalachee. An elder >of the Apalachee asked the "History Detective" to examine a cross found by >archaeologist at an Apalachee village near a Spanish mission. >Archaeologists assumed it was a glass cross made in Spain or Italy. The Apalachee elder >thought it was made by his ancestors. Like the archaeologist, I assumed >from seeing it initially on the TV program that it was too perfect and too >detailed to be anything, but machine cut glass from Europe. > > >Guess what? Through high tech analysis at FSU, the program's investigator >determined (to everybody's surprise) that the cross was pure, quartz >crystal and that it had been hand-made with traditional Muskogean stone and >bone tools. > >At the close of the program, the PBS investigator interviewed Dan Penton, > an archaeologist and an elder of the Muscogee Nation of Florida. Dan did >an excellent job of explaining Creek traditions and beliefs. We need to >get Dan more national exposure to counteract the inaccurate information that >continues to emanate from certain universities to the north of Florida. >Does anyone here know how to get in touch with Brother Penton? > >Furthermore, the TV program was filmed inside an authentic chokofa, >absolutely accurate in every detail . . . at the same time that Georgia and >North Carolina archaeologists continue to label any large round Creek >building, an "earthlodge." Well, North Carolina archaeologists continue to label >Creek chokofa's as "early examples of Cherokee architecture. Does anyone >know where this outstanding example of archaeological reconstruction is >located? I assume that it somewhere in western Florida. > > >Thanks! > >Richard T. > >Notes on the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > >Early Creek History http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > >Migration Legend of the Creek Indians http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rev. Valerie Shines Warmly Pacini LISW vpacini@earthlink.net P.O. Box 626 Portales, NM 88130 505-356-1259

Hey Linda! Thank you for the nice letter. Probably what gave you the I idea that I live in Pensacola is that I am a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe - based near Pensacola. However, we have more members in Georgia than in Florida. Chief Bearheart was born in SE Georgia on the Altamaha River. Many Georgia Creeks moved to Pensacola during WWII to work in the shipyards. My heritage is actually Okonee Creek from NE Georgia and NW South Carolina. However, the Okonees do not have a separate tribal structure. The SE Georgia Creeks spoke the same language as the NE Georgia Creek - Hitchiti. That is also the language spoken by the Miccosukee in Florida. Perdido Bay was about as close as I could get to my actual heritage. Most of my work, however, is for the Muscogee (Creek) Nation of Oklahoma. I was born in Waycross, GA in the Okefenokee Swamp. When my family vacationed in Florida, people thought we were mixblood Miccosukees - for good reason - the Miccosukees were originally the elite of the Okonees. Thanks again! Richard Thornton

So sorry! I do not always keep up with this list as well as I probably should and have you all confused. I see you have been given contact information for Dan Penton. He is indeed a wonderful person and historian and well respected. I'm sorry I missed that documentary. There has been a great deal of "discussion" over the years with regard to the origins of that cross. I am not Creek but work with tribes in my role with the state so am always trying to learn as much as I can to improve my understanding. Dan has been very helpful. Thanks! Linda Johns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard White" <rw@pone.com> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Dan Penton - Creek archaeologist and elder > > THIS Richard lives in Tallahassee... <G> > > RW > > Skip and Linda wrote: >> I know Dan. Don't you live here in Tallahassee, Richard? >> >> Linda Johns >> Tallahassee >> > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

THIS Richard lives in Tallahassee... <G> RW Skip and Linda wrote: > I know Dan. Don't you live here in Tallahassee, Richard? > > Linda Johns > Tallahassee >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: EvelynLeslie25 Surnames: Sizemore/Young/Bennett Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/3047/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Susan SIZEMORE age 16, Blanche SIZEMORE age 14 and John SIZEMORE age 3 are all shown as either "I" with an "M" written over it or I with M written over it, 1870 Macon Co., AL census, Cross Keys Beat. They are shown as a separate HH 580 under Mary YOUNG HH 579, probably their grandmother and the mother of Maria A. C. BENNETT, 2nd wife of William F. Sizemore. Farther down the page is William Sizemore, age 19, Indian, son of William F. and apparently half-brother of the 3 children. I am searching for info on Susan, Blanche and John SIZEMORE above. Evelyn S. Leslie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Richard lives in North Georgia........ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip and Linda" <ldjohns2051@comcast.net> To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Dan Penton - Creek archaeologist and elder >I know Dan. Don't you live here in Tallahassee, Richard? > > Linda Johns > Tallahassee > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <TalliyaSoutheast@aol.com> > To: <creek-southeast@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:14 AM > Subject: [CREEK-SOUTHEAST] Dan Penton - Creek archaeologist and elder > > >> >> Last night, the "History Detective" on PBS ran a very interesting story >> on the Apalachee People and Spanish missions among the Apalachee. An >> elder >> of the Apalachee asked the "History Detective" to examine a cross found >> by >> archaeologist at an Apalachee village near a Spanish mission. >> Archaeologists assumed it was a glass cross made in Spain or Italy. The >> Apalachee elder >> thought it was made by his ancestors. Like the archaeologist, I >> assumed >> from seeing it initially on the TV program that it was too perfect and >> too >> detailed to be anything, but machine cut glass from Europe. >> >> >> Guess what? Through high tech analysis at FSU, the program's >> investigator >> determined (to everybody's surprise) that the cross was pure, quartz >> crystal and that it had been hand-made with traditional Muskogean stone >> and >> bone tools. >> >> At the close of the program, the PBS investigator interviewed Dan >> Penton, >> an archaeologist and an elder of the Muscogee Nation of Florida. Dan >> did >> an excellent job of explaining Creek traditions and beliefs. We need to >> get Dan more national exposure to counteract the inaccurate information >> that >> continues to emanate from certain universities to the north of Florida. >> Does anyone here know how to get in touch with Brother Penton? >> >> Furthermore, the TV program was filmed inside an authentic chokofa, >> absolutely accurate in every detail . . . at the same time that Georgia >> and >> North Carolina archaeologists continue to label any large round Creek >> building, an "earthlodge." Well, North Carolina archaeologists >> continue >> to label >> Creek chokofa's as "early examples of Cherokee architecture. Does >> anyone >> know where this outstanding example of archaeological reconstruction is >> located? I assume that it somewhere in western Florida. >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Richard T. >> >> Notes on the Creek Indians >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm >> >> Early Creek History >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ >> >> Migration Legend of the Creek Indians >> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Notes on the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creeknotes/index.htm > > Early Creek History > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/early-history/ > > Migration Legend of the Creek Indians > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/creek/migration/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CREEK-SOUTHEAST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >