Your e-mail was returned. Please send your new addy. Thanks. Eleanor

I have just obtained a copy of the original marriage certificate for Rudolph and his third wife--Marie Elizabeth Diederle. If you are interested in obtaining a copy, please write to me directly at--genpics@iopener.net Thanks. Eleanor

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Tye Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YMQ.2ACEB/40.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Steve, thank you for clearing this up. I see now that I had forgotten that the earlier John also had a daughter, Mary Ann Tye. This will help straighten out my records and other's as well, I am sure. Glad to have the marriage and birth dates you provide as well. Lois

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Crecelius, Wilson, Tye Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YMQ.2ACEB/40.1.1 Message Board Post: I believe you have confused John Tye born about 1737 with his father, also John Tye, born about 1717 in Baltimore Co., MD; died 1747 in Baltimore, MD. The younger John would have been only about ten or eleven years old when Mary Ann Tye who married about 1770 to David Wilson was born about 1748. David & Mary's daughter Diana Wilson Crecelius (1792-1848) was my great-great-grandmother. steven coulter, RSVPR@aol.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Wilson, Tye, Pritchard Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YMQ.2ACEB/40.1 Message Board Post: In regard to the Mary Tye who is mentioned as wife of David Wilson, there may be a link to John Granger Tye b.c. 1737, one of the early settlers (about 1800) of Southern Kentucky at what became Knox County. John is said in some records to have had two daughters named Mary if this is the correct family. He married 2-3 three times and the first Mary "Polly" married Joseph Pritchard. But there is a Mary born later, probably to his last wife who was said to have married David Wilson. I think you can learn much more about this family if you put in a search for John Tye as there are many pages available re. him and the family. Good luck and I too, would like to know more about this Mary Tye so please let me know if you have found more since you last posted. Thanks, Lois

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Swann, (Swan), Ripperdon, Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YMQ.2ACEB/50 Message Board Post: My ggrandfather, Thomas Warder Swann, was married to Meda Crecelius and they had a son Archie. I just found out about this some time ago and was wondering if anyone would be willing to tell me something about Meda and maybe email a picture of her. My ggrandfather was known as Ward and came to Chariton Co., Mo. and took up farming. He later married GayZetta Lester and they had 3 daughters. He was blind a great deal of his life and lived with two of his daughters after his wife died. Any info would be appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YMQ.2ACEB/49 Message Board Post: Have just returned from a trip of tracing Rudolph thru VA. Went to the Hebron Lutheran Church in Madison Co. Have found the documentation for several of the issue from the translation from German to English in the church records. Have the original land record from the courthouse, etc. Have a timeline constructed from PA to NC/TN and have almost a completely documented bibliography. I really need the source of the tax records in Rockingham Co. that have been mention,but not documented. Eleanor

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Forrest, Lawson, Craig, Creekmore Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YMQ.2ACEB/47 Message Board Post: Hello folks! Recap: Brothers William H and Samuel B Crecelius married sisters Ellen E and Catherine A Forrest [respectively]. Both Ellen and Catherine had been married previously. Ellen to Stewart H Benham and Catherine was divorced from Oliver P Westfall [both c 1868]. In 1870 Meade Co KY census, Ellen is listed with Luther and Susan Benham as a Benham. Catherine "Kate" is enumerated with Oliver P Westfall. Ellen and Catherine are daughters of Thomas Forrest and Ellen COTTER. I just got confirmation of mother Ellen's maiden name from a website that has Indiana marriages before 1850 posted. They married 5/1843 Fort Wayne, Allen Co IN. In 1850 they are listed in the Tippecanoe Co IN census. I received some interesting information from Tippecanoe Co IN stating that Thomas filed for divorce from Ellen in 7/1853. The paperwork I received was inconclusive so I am not sure whether the divorce was granted or not. However, six months later Thomas died and guardianship of the children [Ellen E, Catherine A, James S [my g-gf], and Mary F] was transferred to Ephraim A Greenlee. Well that's all in case some out there did not know about the COTTER maiden name. I found a possible connection to a Thornton Cotter. And possible siblings Elizabeth and Mary. Thanks so much, Sharon Forrest Petrie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YMQ.2ACEB/46 Message Board Post: Hello folks! Recap: Brothers William H and Samuel B Crecelius married sisters Ellen E and Catherine A Forrest [respectively]. Both Ellen and Catherine had been married previously. Ellen to Stewart H Benham and Catherine was divorced from Oliver P Westfall [both c 1868]. In 1870 Meade Co KY census, Ellen is listed with Luther and Susan Benham as a Benham. Catherine "Kate" is enumerated with Oliver P Westfall. Ellen and Catherine are daughters of Thomas Forrest and Ellen COTTER. I just got confirmation of mother Ellen's maiden name from a website that has Indiana marriages before 1850 posted. They married 5/1843 Fort Wayne, Allen Co IN. In 1850 they are listed in the Tippecanoe Co IN census. I received some interesting information from Tippecanoe Co IN stating that Thomas filed for divorce from Ellen in 7/1853. The paperwork I received was inconclusive so I am not sure whether the divorce was granted or not. However, six months later Thomas died and guardianship of the children [Ellen E, Catherine A, James S [my g-gf], and Mary F] was transferred to Ephraim A Greenlee. Well that's all in case some out there did not know about the COTTER maiden name. I found a possible connection to a Thornton Cotter. And possible siblings Elizabeth and Mary. Thanks so much, Sharon Petrie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YMQ.2ACEB/45.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi You might want to contact Mary Helen (Bottles) Steinert at <MStein7079@aol.com> She is a bottles descendent that has done lots of research. Richard Crecelius

Hello Karen Thank you for the photo of Isaac's grave. I hope to visit all those family cemeteries one day. I have just been looking at your Parker-Wernet Database via Ancestry and noted that you had Mary Zubrotin "Polly" Crecelius marrying Arison Flanigan in Washington County Tennessee. In my records I have a copy of the following database from Indiana, so I thought you might like to see it. Bye for now. Leslie Crecelius cousin in Australia msleslie@acay.com.au Marriages in Indiana through 1850. Source: Morrison-Reeves Library, Richmond, IN. www.mrl.lib.in.us > HARRISON COUNTY: > CRECELIUS, Christena to CLINE, Elias, 4 Mar 1824 > CRECELIUS, Elizabeth to BLOOM, Philip, 14 Nov 1833 > CRECELIUS, Henry to SHARP, Laura, 27 May 1824 (This is my line - Leslie) > CRECELIUS, Mahala to CONROD, John W., 23 Mar 1837 > CRECELIUS, Margaret to WEAVER, John, 12 Feb 1822 > CRECELIUS, Mary to FLANIGAN, Arison, 15 Jun 1826 > CRECELIUS, Philip to ENLOW, Rebecca, 6 Feb. 1817 > CRECELIOUS, Mary Ann to BOTTLES, John, 22 Aug 1838

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Crecelius Bottles Bartles Patton Kyker Lineweaver Lineberger/Linebarger Bible Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YMQ.2ACEB/45.1 Message Board Post: Hello Mary, and list, just a note to let you know I too have been to the cemetery you spoke of. We visited Paradise Bottom a few years back and found Ebenezer Bartles' final resting place. He was the first cousin of My great grandfather Samuel McCracken Bottles/Bartles, of Washington Co. TN. I have transcripts of two letters written to Ebenezer from my great grandfathers older brother James L. Bottles/Bartles who at the time of the letters was in the Military Prison camp at Johnson's Island, this near New Sandusky Ohio. In addition I have quite a number of Crecelius letters also. Just letting you know I am here and am of the Bartles line spoken about in your post. Thanks for the post. Gillis Bartles

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Crecelius, Hamilton,Bartles, Noble, Wetherell, Popham Classification: Cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YMQ.2ACEB/45 Message Board Post: Hello listers, July 1992 I visited the family cemetery by Blue Island River Church, Paradise Bottoms, Battletown, Ky. Here are some headstones I copied. Samuel B. Husband of Mamie Crecelius b. May 13, 1876, d. Sept. 16, 1902* Mamie was my g mother previously married to Samuels brother Henry. Mayme d. 10 Jan 1934 in Peoria, Peoria, Il and buried in 'Springdale Cemetery, Peoria, Il. Annie wife of Henry Crecelius b. Sept. 13, 1865 d. June 27, 1896 Inscribed: Sleep on dear MOrther sleep, Thy family morns thy loss (couldn't read) and thy silent grave, All covered over with moss. Clarence Crecelius 1884-1967 *This was son of Annie Applegate and Henry Crecelius J.H. husand of Caroline Crecelius b. March 12, 1833 d. March 26, 1896 (Original marker apparently placed at his death.) A large family marker placed at a later date probably upon the death of his mother Caroline reads: Mother-Caroline Crecelius b. July 30, 1831 d. Jan. 11, 1909. Father: John H. Crecelius b. Mar 12, 1834, d. Mar 24, 1896. Note: Different birth years for John. Sarah F. wife of A. Hamilotn-b. Nov 18, 1856, d. Oct 18, 1890 and husband Alexander Hamilton b. Feb 14, 1832, d. Feb 6, 1901 *Sarah was a daughter of John Hines Crecelius and Caroline Noble. Infant daughter of A. (couldn't read)-S.F. Hamilton b&d. Apr. 14, 1890 Viola E. wife of J.T. Crecelius b. Jan 18, 1862 d. Sept. 15, 1892 *Viola was a daughter of John Hines Crecelius and Caroline Noble J.T. Crecelius b. Oct. 14, 1860 *Son of Harrison Crecelius and Nancy Burris Henry Crecelius b. Feb 10, 1797, d. Apr 1, 1885. Inscribed: In Memory of our Father *This is Henry Cline Crecelius, son of John Gotthart Crecelius and Elizabeth Ausmore/Osmore. Our Mother Laura-b. Apr.17, 1807 d. June 1, 1891 *This is Henry's wife. Our Brother- Benjamin F. Crecelius b. Jan 25, 1843 d. Jan 11, 1864 *Son of Henry Cline and Laura Sharp, Benjamin Franklin William H. Crecelius b. Sep 1, 1838. d.June 19, 1905 *Son of Henry Cline and Laura Sharp, William Henry Inscribed: Lead Kindly Light Ebenezer M. Barles b. Sept 3, 1826, d. Mar 6,1910 Abigale his wife b. 1829 d. Feb 8, 1923 *Abigale is daughter of Henry Cline Crecelius and Laura Sharp. Note; Marriage records spells name as Bottles Robert M. Bartles June 3, 1859 Mason Sarah L. His wife b. May 4, 1859 d. Mar 21,1913. *This is Henry Cline's grand daughter by son James Sharp Crecelius Charley Bartles b. Nov 18, 1858 d. Mar 28, 1874 John Henry Bartles b. Oct 2, 1856, d. Aug 22,1857 * These were Henry Clines grandsons, sons of Abigale and Ebenezer Bartles Crecelius-Craig G. b. Aug 28, 1878, d. Aug 7, 1969 Masonic emblem 50 years. Minnie F. b. Dec 9, 1900, d. Jan 18, 1990. *Craig was Henry Clines grandson by son Samuel Brown and Kate Westfall Infant son of F.G. & N.M.Noble B&D June 9, 1868 Infant Son of F.G. & N.M. Noble B&D Jan 16, 1871 *These were grandson's of Henry Cline's daughter Nancy M. and Felix G. Noble John H. Son of E.M. & E.E. Crecelius b. Aug 2, 1878, d. Sept 7, 1880 *This was grandson of Henry Cline, son Ebenezer Morton Crecelius Harrison T. son of (couldn't read) L. Crecelius b. Oct 5, 1872 d. June 10, (neglected to write yr.) Mother Katheryn Wetherell B. May 11, 1861 d. Apr 19,1944 Ben H. Popham b. July 20, 1888 d. Oct 12, 1914 Marked with* my additions My apologies for length of this post.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YMQ.2ACEB/42.2 Message Board Post: Hi. Did you find Otto Rudolph Crecelius's name on a passenger list, or how did you learn that he landed in Baltimore? I appreciate your help.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YMQ.2ACEB/42.1 Message Board Post: I am in search of Otto and his descendants. what information you could send would be very appreciated.

Hi again I have in my records that Wm Henry Crecelius's second wife was Ella Forrest whom he married on 1 September 1872 in Meade County, KY, and that he died in 1905. This is from a family tree that I have not validated on each fact, so I would use it as 'suggestions' or clues rather than facts, but at least it points the way for further research. He appears in the Meade County KY censuses through 1900 living with his wife, though, and I have seen those myself. Also, a Wm H Crecelius born in 1838 in Kentucky served with the Union 66th Regiment of the Indiana Infantry Company C, and it might have been him, though it seems that many Crecelius families had a Wm H in them. But if it is, you could get his military service records from the National Archives, that would give you more information about him maybe. There was a Crecelius Family Cemetery there in Paradise Bottom, Battletown, Meade County, KY and I would think that he would have been buried there with the rest of the family, b! ut I have no actual proof of it. That is all I know (and surmise) about him, I think. Good luck in your research! Regards Leslie msleslie@acay.com.au

Can anyone tell me where the reference to the Rockingham Co. VA tax lists are for Rudolph? I have read Fothergill's VA TAX PAYERS, 1782--1787 and Rockingham Co. is not in the book. I have seen several years--1782 and 1783 or 1784--that he was supposed to be listed. Thanks. Eleanor

My records show that this William H Crecelius is in the censuses, as such: a.. Age 30 1870 Meade Co District 2 Cedar Branch living w/brother James and next door to their parents' home; Henry Cline Crecelius and Laura Hines Sharp. Page 12. a.. Age 40 1880 Meade Co District 2 Cedar Branch living w/wife #2. a.. Age 61 1900 census Meade Co ED 91 living w/wife #2. Other records also refer to his Civil War service with the Union forces, though I do not have them at hand to cite. Regards Leslie msleslie@acay.com.au

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YMQ.2ACEB/1.6.9.11.12.1.1 Message Board Post: Dear Karen, Thanks so much for the time you took sending the info you have!! Sorry for not responding sooner, but life is busy with four teenagers! I already have the info you sent and figured out that Luther had a brother Stewart H as well as a son Stewart H. the one in 1850 is his brother. the son is listed in 1860. Ellen E Forrest m Stewart about 1868 and he died sometime before 1870. Ellen is listed in 1870 as Ellen Benham 26 IN in Luther Benham's household. By process of elimination I concluded that Ellen married Stewart. Luther had two other sons for whom there are valid marriage records, so that left Stewart. Also since there are no other Ellens in the previous censii for Luther; she was a new addition. There is mention in the LDS library of these conclusions as well. Ellen m2) William H Crecelius. I am related to the Forrests. Ellen's sister Catherine Ann "Kate" Forrest m1) Oliver P Westfall (divorced) m 2) Samuel B Crecelius [brother to William H]. The Forrest sisters' brother James S Forrest is my gg-gf. He moved to Clinton Co IL. Thanks again for all your help; hope my message helps you too. Blessings, sharon forrest petrie