Don: I have no idea what septs. is or are? But i surely would like to know. Mike: do you have any time frame when it was changed from Craufurd? very interesting. My husband has heard maybe some of his kin might have come from Kilbirnie. But don't know? He knows some of his kin are from the Black Crawfords of (im going to murder this word because I cant get to my paperwork right now( Cromatry). I am completely in awe and respect for Scotland. The people have a proper pride, pride of blood and ancestry, pride in the independence and strudy self-reliance, pride of place. This was said by Christian Watt in the book i mentioned eariler. I would love any material you could share with me. Im going to find Struthers and Cupar on the map. I would love a picture also. Did you see the Lindsey tower and the Crawford castle on the eastern side the tower is in ruins and the castle is like a big house on a small side road? Jean Crawford 7029 Land Dr Columbus, GA 31904