you have a lot of people in their sixties &seventyswould it be easier to get inf.. now to keep lines filled in Henry ----- Original Message ----- From: mimi <mimi@main.com> To: <CRAWFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 5:02 PM Subject: Re: Crawford Database-Marriage Entries > That would be great for people writing books, etc., but for those of > us standing in front of brick walls, ANY SCRAP OF INFO IS DESIRED, > proven or not!! What say the rest of you? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Floyd <webmaster@cobnet.com> > To: <CRAWFORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 6:49 PM > Subject: Re: Crawford Database-Marriage Entries > > > > re: Your motives and intentions are wonderful. I like the idea of > your > > data base. But why not add only sourced and documented data to > begin > > with. Won't it help people more in the long run to be able to see > that > > each item/date has been documented and sourced? > > > > Wouldn't that be better than perpetuating mis-information; > better > > than trying to sort & correct it all later after alot of erroneous > data > > has been entered? > > > > > > hummmm, good question. > > I think I will wait before I give my opinion here, I would like to > know how > > others feel about this? > > > > Please folks, let's hear your thoughts, > > Mark Floyd > > leonardz > > > > > >

I have more brick walls than anyone would believe.. Trust me, any scrap of information I get I twist it every way possible to see if it fits what I need; if it doesn't , maybe it will for someone else. I would have given up long ago if I didn't believe that for every person who ever lived there is a paper trail somewhere. Sometimes we only need one link to bring together all the boxes, books, etc. of material gleaned through the years. Who knows, I may have yours, you may have mine. I'll take it any way I can get it. Claudette

I requested and have received a Social Security application for Ernest Lee Crawford (SSN 407-05-6120), but it is the wrong Ernest Crawford. I would love to forward it on to someone who can us it. This Ernest Lee Crawford was born 10 Aug 1898 in Smithville, TN to Winfield Scott Crawford and Mary Frances Love. He was a white male and filled out the form on 26 Oct 1937 while living in Louisville, KY. Walter K. Crawford, III Cookeville, TN wkcrawford@bigfoot.com www.bigfoot.com/~wkcrawford

Carol, I have forwarded your response to me to the "list". It is important since we are being given a chance to voice our opinion that they have this info. I hope that is okay with you. To answer you----you bet. I'd even appreciate a few "wild-goose chases" if there was even a slight chance I'd find someone by the end of it. On some lines, I've reached the point that I don't have the slightest idea of what to try next. Thanks for your response. mimi ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Cox <carolc@dialpoint.net> To: mimi <mimi@main.com> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 7:26 PM Subject: Re: Crawford Database-Marriage Entries > Hi Mimi, > > I am fairly new to genealogy and fully comprehend how you feel about even a > tidbit of information. Is there not some way (an asterisk denotes > undocumented material) or something like that? > > Carol > -----Original Message----- > From: mimi <mimi@main.com> > To: CRAWFORD-L@rootsweb.com <CRAWFORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Saturday, October 30, 1999 8:10 PM > Subject: Re: Crawford Database-Marriage Entries > > > >That would be great for people writing books, etc., but for those of > >us standing in front of brick walls, ANY SCRAP OF INFO IS DESIRED, > >proven or not!! What say the rest of you? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: William Floyd <webmaster@cobnet.com> > >To: <CRAWFORD-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 6:49 PM > >Subject: Re: Crawford Database-Marriage Entries > > > > > >> re: Your motives and intentions are wonderful. I like the idea of > >your > >> data base. But why not add only sourced and documented data to > >begin > >> with. Won't it help people more in the long run to be able to see > >that > >> each item/date has been documented and sourced? > >> > >> Wouldn't that be better than perpetuating mis-information; > >better > >> than trying to sort & correct it all later after alot of erroneous > >data > >> has been entered? > >> > >> > >> hummmm, good question. > >> I think I will wait before I give my opinion here, I would like to > >know how > >> others feel about this? > >> > >> Please folks, let's hear your thoughts, > >> Mark Floyd > >> leonardz > >> > >> > > > > > > >

I agree one hundred percent! Hopefully researchers will view this as a starting point and check the data out for themselves. Rosemary ----- Original Message ----- From: mimi <mimi@main.com> To: <CRAWFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 7:02 PM Subject: Re: Crawford Database-Marriage Entries > That would be great for people writing books, etc., but for those of > us standing in front of brick walls, ANY SCRAP OF INFO IS DESIRED, > proven or not!! What say the rest of you? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Floyd <webmaster@cobnet.com> > To: <CRAWFORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 6:49 PM > Subject: Re: Crawford Database-Marriage Entries > > > > re: Your motives and intentions are wonderful. I like the idea of > your > > data base. But why not add only sourced and documented data to > begin > > with. Won't it help people more in the long run to be able to see > that > > each item/date has been documented and sourced? > > > > Wouldn't that be better than perpetuating mis-information; > better > > than trying to sort & correct it all later after alot of erroneous > data > > has been entered? > > > > > > hummmm, good question. > > I think I will wait before I give my opinion here, I would like to > know how > > others feel about this? > > > > Please folks, let's hear your thoughts, > > Mark Floyd > > leonardz > > > > > >

re:Another question - your template gives a place for a name variation, but still shows CRAWFORD after that, and CRAWFORD as father. How then do we get the variant surname shown? You caught me here before I could fix it. I am in the process of fixing this problem, please be patient with me. I have the variant fixed under the individual, it is when the variant shows up as a parent that I am workin on. re:Will/do you have a place that someone from a given county could simply key in marriage/birth/death data etc found in their own county? Currently the only data entry I have is as an individual. I am not sure as to what you are asking. You can search this database for any country or state/province, in both Birth and Death, however marriage is alittle different. I will see what I can do here. I will add the variant name crofoot to the database. Thanks for your patience once again, leonardz

re: Your motives and intentions are wonderful. I like the idea of your data base. But why not add only sourced and documented data to begin with. Won't it help people more in the long run to be able to see that each item/date has been documented and sourced? Wouldn't that be better than perpetuating mis-information; better than trying to sort & correct it all later after alot of erroneous data has been entered? hummmm, good question. I think I will wait before I give my opinion here, I would like to know how others feel about this? Please folks, let's hear your thoughts, Mark Floyd leonardz

I noticed my name was there as a submitter where did they get that info. Are they taken off the guestions that we ask. Because now im listed as the submitter and what if im incorrect on the info I was asking for help with. Not that I dont mind sharing but that scares me what if somebody puts down something because its listed there. Most of my info at this date is given to me I have no data on where it came from. Thats what Im tring to do at this point. Please do not get alarmed here. I have made several entries some time back from queries made elsewhere. I have since stopped doing this. Anytime I made an entry, I tried to notify the individual involved, some address never replyed. I will remove anyone who does not wish to be listed, simply let me know and I can do this very easily. This information is not made to be fact, it is a starting and gathering point for folks doing research. I am sure there are alot of errors here. But it will hopefully allow us to correct some of the errors, by letting others know where we stand. If we combine what we have, hopefully we can get farther along. If you see something that you feel is not quite right, you can easily add a comment for others to view, or let me know and I will try to correct the problem. I am in no way an expert in genealogy, the crawford family, or any other field here. I am simply trying to make research efforts alittle easier for all. I do not sell this information, or plan to in the future. This database is free for personal use only. Not for profit. Anyone taking this information needs to know to take it at face value, some list their sources others don't, it is entirely up to the individual involved. All ideas, suggestions, or comments appreciated. Thanks you for your time, Mark Floyd leonardz

I do not quite understand can you put marriage records if you are a live in Database No, please do not put information on living folks here. We do not want to cause any kind of problems for anyone concerned. These marriage records are for previous generations, not folks that are still living. Thanks, Mark Floyd leonardz

Dear Mark, etal, Regarding the issue of whether or not to include un-sourced data in the data-base: While we all agree that "sourced" information is more desirable and valuable than "un-sourced", in the absence of sourced data, I'll take unsourced any day. Last week, this same of issue of requiring 100% accurate and proven information almost got a wonderful death index database for the state of Missouri shut down. I believe that to strive for this level of perfection is wonderful, but to expect it or demand it is unreasonable. Even the LDS site doesn't try to confirm or guarantee the accuracy of any of the information on their site. And I suspect we all know that any information submitted by others needs to be independently verified. Even if I state a source, you would be wise to do your own confirmation. What if I accidentally made a typo? Or what if I were one of those individuals who were careless enough to keep sloppy records, or mean enough to intentionally put false information with fictitious sources on the internet? Would we allow genealogical books and magazines as sources? Just because it was published on paper doesn't make any truer than being published on the internet. I'm afraid if we insist on sourced and documented information, the next step will be to make everyone submit copies of their documentation. While that would save the recipients a lot of time and money, it would surely bring this whole sharing process to a grinding halt! As for me, I have several dead-ends and brick-walls on which I would joyfully accept any clue, sourced or unsourced. Respectfully, Debra Claussen In a message dated 10/30/1999 6:57:20 PM Central Daylight Time, webmaster@cobnet.com writes: << But why not add only sourced and documented data to begin with. Won't it help people more in the long run to be able to see that each item/date has been documented and sourced? Wouldn't that be better than perpetuating mis-information; better than trying to sort & correct it all later after alot of erroneous data has been entered? >>

I have a question regarding the required email address for submitter........What if someone would like to enter information, but not leave their email address ? Is this possible ? Yes, however in order for the database to detect that this is not an email address, please use the word Resource first, such as: ResourceMarriage ResourceCensus1810 ResourceBook ResourcePrint Then as contact list, the Book Title, the Magazine's Title, the Census' Country, State, County. Then in the comments: list things such as, author, publisher, dates, what census says, etc. I do hope this answer your questions. If you list the Country, State, County for any Resource, under contact, it will make that individual show up in a map in the future. This will be awhile in coming though. Good Luck with your research, leonardz

This an example of how Marriage entries can be made to the Crawford Database: http://www.cobnet.com/webBase/crawford/view.pl?INDI=2685 Let me know your comments or suggestions, leonardz

http://www.rootsweb.com/~okkingfi/Kingwana.htm In 1890 a census was taken of the first 5 counties in Oklahoma Territory. Kingfisher was County No. 5. The information included for each person was as follows: Name Relationship to Head of Household Color Sex Age State or Country of Birth Years in U.S. Length of Residence in this Territory Whether Naturalized If a Soldier: State, Company, and Regiment Whether Able to Read and Write This census is available from the through the LDS Family History Centers, LDS Film # 0227282. - --------------------------------- 1890 Oklahoma Territorial Census Index to Town of Wanamaker, Kingfisher cnty., OK. Crawford, William H. p. 898 --------------------------- 1890 Oklahoma Territorial Census Cimarron Township Crawford, Joseph A. p. 998

http://www.rootsweb.com/~okkingfi/cens1900l.html 12th Census of Population 1900 OKLAHOMA Vol. 8 Kingfisher Co CENTER TOWNSHIP CRAWFORD, Joseph / H / W / OCT 1840 / PA CRAWFORD, _irn___ / W / W / JAN 1862 / IN CRAWFORD, Sarah / D / W / AUG 1884 / KS CRAWFORD, E_ie M / D / W / MAR 1886 / KS CRAWFORD, Harrie / S / W / AUG 1890 / OK CRAWFORD, Emmie / D / W / DEC 1882 / OK CRAWFORD, Jessie / S / W / AUG 1893 / OK

--part1_0.6d508a06.254b5976_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I sent this earlier and it was returned. Thxs. Micki Hughes --part1_0.6d508a06.254b5976_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: C714WR@aol.com From: C714WR@aol.com Full-name: C714WR Message-ID: <0.3b8bf48b.254a6ae1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:13:37 EDT Subject: crawford To: Crawford-L@root.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sorry I missed your chat. I surely would like to talk to you about GEORGE WASHINGTON CRAWFORD,B.1844 in FLORIDA, served in Civil War and migrated to TEXAS. Had two sons in TEXAS. GEORGE T. AND RAVIN, several daughters, among them my mother. Thanks for any info. Micki Hughes --part1_0.6d508a06.254b5976_boundary--

Nancy, E-mail me. We're working on the same family! Your address doesn't seem to be working. Susie Subject: just checking Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:10:13 -0700 From: NANCY SPALLINGER <spall@your.net> To: CRAWFORD-L@rootsweb.com I haven't been able to get any messages since Saturday. Is the rootsweb down or is it my server

Forwarded from another mail list. Sounds interesting. Wanda Hi! You are all cordially invited to join an all new type of genealogy organization. It's called the Arkansas Family History Association and it's headed up by Desmond Walls Allen, Cathy Barnes, Kathy Hudson, Euna Beavers, Rita Bryant, Lisa Shearin, Joe Goss, Ellen Bard and Gail Lies. Best of all there are NO membership dues! AFHA is a FREE association dedicated to helping all genealogists find answers to their questions. We offer limited FREE lookups along with advice from our panel of Arkansas research experts. A list of free sources will be online soon on our website. To subscribe to the list, send an email to: AFHA-L-Request@Rootsweb.com In the message only type the following: subscribe *An online newsletter with quality articles pertaining to not only AR research *An internet mailing list *Invitations to attend at least 6 seminars each year *FREE lookups from our library *FREE advice from our panel of genealogical experts *FREE Internet queries published in our online newsletter *A website offering details on researching in AR, message boards, local researchers, FREE genealogy forms, a how-to-guide and many other features (Coming Online November 1999) *Reviews of all AR related publications (Submitted by the author) AFHA will be holding monthly seminars at the Central Arkansas Main Library sponsored by the Richard C. Butler Center for Arkansas Studies. Our first lecture is scheduled for January 16 from 1:30pm-4:30. Our speaker will be Desmond Walls Allen whom many of you already know from the PBS Ancestor's series. Members may attend the lecture for $10 in advance, $12 at the door or $40 to attend all six lectures. For more information, either email me at converse@swbell.net or call 501-835-7502. We plan to offer many additional features and our website should be online shortly at http://www.rootsweb.com/~arfha We'd love for you to join us! Tracey Converse FREE Genealogy Forms Online!!! http://www.ancestrycorner.com We Specialize in ARKANSAS books! **************************************************** Listowner of: the GRS E-Zine, GenTips, GenChat, GenSwap Webmaster of the Central Arkansas Library System http://www.cals.lib.ar.us ******************************************************

Not sure if this is my James Crawford or not but seems like born in 1853 . Does anyone have a copy of the 1860 census that might have more info. 1860 Census Indiana William Crawford age; 46 Birthplace; OH County Putnam Twonship Floyd Post Office Greencastle Census page 453 Line 34 A Occupation Farmer Real Property $ 1200 Personal Property $ 1059 Head of House hold yes Family #411 Dwelling # 0411 Also in house hold Angeline Crawford age 34 born IN Samuel Crawford age 16 born IN William Crawford age 14 born IN Matilda E. Crawford age 13 born In Jesse Crawfprd age 10 born IN Arthur Crawford age 9 born IN James Crawford age 7 born IN John W. Crawford age 5 born IN Elwood Crawford age 2 born IN This information was sent to me by Billie Langford

For those interested, I will be in Virtual Places tonite till near 10:00 central time, if you are interested in learning more about the Crawford Database or the Crawford Site, we can talk in real time. If you cannot find me at the Crawford Chat Room, do a locate and look for leonardz, then send me an Instant Message, and I will get back to you. I do hope this proves to be a helpful resource, Good Luck with your research, Mark Floyd leonardz

I was looking at the Missing Links Rootsweb Genealogy Journal , vol 4, #44, 27 Oct. 1999 almost at the end where they list found items. There was a listing of a family tree that listed a John Crawford, b 24 Jan 1800 in Miffin Co. PA, died 12 Mar 1896, Afton, Union Co. Iowa, married Mary Suiter 12 May 1831 Lawrence Co. Ohio. If this is your family, check out the entry. There was more info, but I listed only the Crawford entry. Hope this helps someone. Jan