What do you know about Thomas Crawford, Sculptor of the statue called Freedom that sits atop the US Capitol? When the statue was taken down repaired several years ago, the Clerk of the House looked in vain for living descendents, so perhaps there are none. Thomas seems to be a mysterious character in terms of genealogy. A Crawford relative of mine, now deceased, who was only slightly prone to exaggerate, said some time ago he was a relation. No other relative so far seems to confirm this. He has been mentioned at least six times in the past 3 years on this list, but so far I see no real genealogy, so I am casting out my net. This is what I know. Apparently, there is a book about him, which I have not read, Thomas Crawford American Sculptor 1813-1957 by Robert Gale 1964. It is on my to do list, but we all know how that is. CRAWFORD, THOMAS, sculptor, was born March 22, 1814 or 1914, probably in New York City. Some sources indicate his parents may have been from Europe. One source I've seen said he died Oct. 16, 1857, in London, England. But other sources say Italy. He seems to have spent much of his life in Italy, where he learned to sculpt. His son, with his wife Louise Cutler Ward was: CRAWFORD, Francis Marion - (1854-1909) American novelist . He was according to one source the master of 20 languages. He spent his youth in India, according to one source, but I have also heard Italy, which makes more sense. He is said to have edited a newspaper there in India. Some movies have been made out of his books, including "The White Sister." Francis Marion Crawford sang a hymn at the dedication of the Statue of Liberty. This is how LDS site shows the parentage of Thomas Crawford's wife. Samuel Ward + Phoebe Greene> 2.Louise Cutler Ward + Thomas Crawford 1813-1857 (married Providence, RI 3. Frances Marion Crawford 1854 -1909 2.JULIA WARD + Samuel Gridley Howe 3.Laura Howe +Henry Richards 3. Maude Howe His wife's sister was JULIA WARD 1819-1910, the writer and social reformer. She and her sister were born in New York City on May 27, 1819, of a well-to- do family . In April 1843 she married Samuel Gridley Howe. They settled in Boston. She wrote a book of poetry «Passion Flowers», in 1854. For a while she and her husband published the «Commonwealth», an abolitionist newspaper. The «Atlantic Monthly» published her poem "Battle Hymn of the Republic." It was linked to a folk tune also use d for "John Brown's Body." The song, written during a visit to an army camp near Washington, D.C., in 1861, became the semiofficial Civil War song of the Union army. After the war Howe was involved in the woman suffrage movement. I have pieced this together on my own. I invite corrections.

In a message dated 10/30/1999 7:03:18 PM Central Standard Time, DEB7019@aol.com writes: << As for me, I have several dead-ends and brick-walls on which I would joyfully accept any clue, sourced or unsourced. >>

http://users.rootsweb.com/~okrogers/cwoodl.html sorry--i forgot to put site address for Crawfords in Woodlawn Cemetery, Claremore , OK. judy

WOODLAWN CEMETERY RESIDENTS CLAREMORE, ROGERS, OKLAHOMA 310 S. NOME, CLAREMORE, OKLAHOMA 74017 918-341-7530 JAMES WEBBER - CEMETERY SEXTON Hours: 7:00 a. m. - 3:30 p. m. Monday through Friday as of 10/27/97 CRAWFORD JASPER C. OLIE RONALD CRAIG VIOLA

Hi Cathy, I kept your post (31 Aug 99) from the Crawford mailing list. I was checking to see if you've had any luck on the App and Mary F. Crawford line. I too am searching for Rockingham Co., Crawfords. My Grandfather was Cleveland Crawford (b. March 1885). I find no record of who his father was. He is found in the 1900 Census living with his grandfather - Samuel Crawford (b. Apr 1837), his brother Garfield (b. Mar 1883), sister Manda F. (b. Mar 1891), and Samuel's daughter (maybe Aunt, maybe mother - I don't think so though) - Jaine (b. May 1860). >From a marriage certificate Cleveland marries Nellie Knight on July 24, 1910 in Rockingham Co., VA. His brother Garfield Crawford marries Hattie M. Dove on December 20, 1909. and His sister Manda Fannie Crawford marries a Jacob Hoover on in 1906. In the 1910 Rockingham Co., VA Census Garfield is listed as Garfield Crofford living with his wife Hattie M. no children. In 1910 Cleveland Crawford is living with sister Fannie (Manda) and brother-in-law Jacob Hoover. Per World War I Registration Card the following information is contained on the card: Cleave Crawford Address: 8 Mt. Clinton, Rock., VA Age: 33 DOB: 15 Mar 1885 Ht: Medium Build: Medium Color Eyes: Blue Color Hair: Brown Per Marriage Certificate: Date of Marriage: 24 July 1910 Place of Marriage: Rockingham Co., VA Age of Husband: 25 Age of Wife: 16 Husband Parents: _____ and Nangus WIfe's Parents: A.J. and Delia Knight I am looking for any information on who might be Cleveland parent's were. It appears that his mother's name was Nangus....although, the clerk may have misread the name...and it appears that either the father's name was not present or illegible? If anyone has a other information...I would appreciate it. Thanks Mike Law ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I have searched for years for the place of marriage on my Grandfather wha was James Crofford born 8 Feb 1853 in Indiana. He died 6 April, 1917 in Dallas County, Arkansas. Someone submitted the marriage to Florence Rebecca Hammond in Cleveland County but I could never find a recording. As it turned out the marriage took place in Dallas County and it was among 122 marriage license that were never recorded. The marriage license were taken from the court house when they were going to burn them. I contacted the person that had the license and she sent me a ccpy. The only way that I came across this information was a man published a book of marriages in Dallas County Arkansas and listed the ones never recorded in the back of the book. He got his information from the History Commission in Little Rock Arkansas. So I do think some information no matter what is better than no info at all. Max

I have also found new ancestors for my Col. Wm. Crawford and his brother Valentine. They aren't documented but when I get the same info. from more than one person I accept it. If they have copied the same error eventually it will show up, so here is what I have: Crawford, Col. Wm. b. 1722 westmoreland, Va., d. aa Kim 1892 Sandusky, Oh., after being captured, tortured and burned at stake by Indians. Mar. 1) Ann Stewart, dau. Ann Crawford who mar. James Conell; 2) 1744 Berkeley Co., Va. Hannah Vance b. 11 Apr., 1732, Frederick Co., Va., c. 1817 Westmoreland Co., Pa., 4 ch. These are both well documented. ? Crawford b. 1706 Orange Co., Va. d. 1728 mar. Honora Grimes b. abat 1708 Orange Co., d. 1776 Shepardstown, W. Va. well documented. William Crawford b. abt 1665 d. bef 1668 mar. abt 1670 Del., Naudine Valentine William Crawford b abt 1648 Ayrshire, Scotland, spouse unk. Lawrence Crawford b. 1628 Scotland, spouse unk.sons Wm. and George If anybody has additions or corrections please do so, also list documentation if you have it. I hope this has helped others. Helen, Sacramento _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Every man has a sane spot somewhere. --Robert Louis Stevenson http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/7636/helen.htm http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/oh/letters.htm http://jpaul.gwdi.com/silvey/ helen_silvey@macnexus.org _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*

Maxine, all The database at http://www.cobnet.com/webBase/crawford/search.pl already has thousands of entries. I would suggest that everybody who hasn't done so already, enter your Crawford information into the Crawford Webbase. We can refine it from there. Granted, the Webbase isn't a real relational database, but a good place to start. I like Maxine's idea that such a true database, we could key on multiple keywords and match birthplace, D.O.B., parents names, etc, etc,. -Marc McCune http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4660/roots.htm Maxine Hornaday <hornaday@sat-co.net> suggested: > Just a thought?? Can anyone set up a data base for all the researchers > of the Crofford/ Crawfords lines , to enter the marriages, deaths, and > births , Census records they have collected over the years and maybe we > could all find a connection that we have not considered before. I > have a list of marriages with Counties and dates and then some > cemetery records that I could type off but the list would be too long > to put in an email and would have to be done in parts. > I am not up on setting up anything like that up. Maybe have places > the info could be entered on the internet. > Thanks Maxine. > >

I've also, post my Crawfords in the mentioned web base. I've never gotten any contact from that web base. My oldest know Crawford is JOHN Crawford, twin brother to SAMUEL Crawford. They were born in County TYRONE, IRELAND in 1810. I don't know if there were any other siblings, or what their parents names were. Anyone on this list have a Tyrone County Crawford family that matches? -Marc mcCune http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4660/roots.htm Chris <CMorr43885@aol.com> wrote: > You might want to try the > following......http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/5646.........Crawf or > d Family Resource Center.......personally I find it hard to use.......but > helpful. > >

Does anyone have any info on Margaret Ann "Peg" Crawford. She was born in 1825 and married John A. Johnson. They lived in Horry Co. SC. Their children were William, Matthew, John Quincy, Sarah Martha,Elizabeth, Margaret Savannah, M E, and Dorcas Lenora. Any info would be appreciated. Stacy

Hi, I'm helping my cousin in his research on the Crawford side of the family. It's pretty much a black hole as far as family history. ONLY thing I know is that the family had some connection with Iowa, and that my maternal grandmother, Verna Shaw (nee Crawford), was allegedly a distant cousin of Herbert Hoover. Hope someone has more info on this. Thanks, JimB

My vote is to take the info any way that it comes! Many times our best clues come from stories handed down of great-grandma's knowledge of an event, even though we may not have a birth/death/marriage certificate in hand. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: d wilson <dwilson@cafes.net> To: CRAWFORD-L@rootsweb.com <CRAWFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, October 30, 1999 7:05 PM Subject: To Document or Not to Document >I have more brick walls than anyone would believe.. Trust me, any scrap of >information >I get I twist it every way possible to see if it fits what I need; if it >doesn't , maybe it will >for someone else. I would have given up long ago if I didn't believe that >for every >person who ever lived there is a paper trail somewhere. Sometimes we only >need >one link to bring together all the boxes, books, etc. of material gleaned >through the >years. Who knows, I may have yours, you may have mine. I'll take it any >way I can >get it. > >Claudette >

Here is an example of what information posted can do, it has lead us to the new information, which may have not been presented if the other was not. No one has presented these as facts, only with what information they have available to them at that time. I am not trying to make a debate here, just hoping others can make a connection similiar to this one. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Crawford To: webmaster@cobnet.com Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 1:21 PM Subject: reference 1255 John Crawford born 11/1/1748 Hi Mark, I am researching John Crawford alot of the info you have some of the dates are off He actually fathered 12 children the eldest being William he was born 8/5/1774 died 3/6/1851. William is the 3rd generation of our line ,we areputting aweb page together when we have it finished we will have 10 generations up to our son Todd. John's father imigrated from Ayshire, Scotland. He was of scottish royality his name was Col. John Crawford he died in 1748 that is all we have on him . He did father 4 sons the 1st 3 we have very little about them. John was his 4th son. He died the year his 4th son was born 1748. If I can help anyone I will do what I can. E-mail me at rcrawfrd@toolcity.net Also if anyone has any info for me that would be great. Thank you ,Chester &Robin Crawford

Robert Lee Crawford, Sr. Saw your message to Henry of 10/31/99. I am interested in Zachariah Crawford of Green Co., VA. I have a Zachaeiah in my database, son of Hezekiah Crawford. I don't have a date on Zachariah but Hezekiah was b. 1764. Is this the same Zachariah and, if so, do you have any information on Hezekiah? Chcuk Nelson cnelson22@compuserve.com

Hi all, I am sorry to present your question to all, but I felt like others had the same question, and felt like we should hear everyone thoughts here. I am not going to try to tell someone what they can or cannot enter into this database. There is a spot for listing a source. If a person has one they can place it there, if they don't then they may list their names and email address as a contact. The only kind of information that I do try very hard to stop, is the listing of living individuals. This is a big concern for me. Yes this information can be very helpful, but it can also be very harmful to those involved. I would like to think this information will be used as it was meant, but no one can be sure of this. As for sourced and non-sourced, I don't like the debate. We should be able to see that a bit of information is sourced and also that a bit is not. We can easily disregard the unsourced information if we feel it is incorrect, or we can try to help the individual or individuals to see why we think it is wrong. There will always be differences of opinions here. In these cases leave both, and let each individual decide for themselves. I feel each has a right to their opinions, especially so when it involves their family. History can be a funny thing, sometimes things do not happen as they are written to have happen, other times they couldn't be more right. There is no one left around to tell us fact from fiction in most cases. I only hope this database proves to be a helpful resource in your search for your family's history. A person should be able to look and see all the Elizabeths, James, Johns, or Williams and see how someone could get lost very quickly. I feel some of these folks are one and the same, however till proven otherwise they are listed separately. I do hope to have merge function available in the future to allow information on two individuals to be combined to one. Now that I have gotten completely off track, I will stop jabbering. Good Luck with your research, Mark Floyd leonardz

I also try to avoid getting into these debates because they tend to go on and on. In this case I think it is simple. Just tell us where you got your information. It is Grandma's memory, just say so. If it is a certified copy of a birth certificate, say so, etc. Ken

It is certainly ideal to have all the information handed to you on a platter, but I have received a lot if information from undocumented sources which get me from behind that brick wall. Sometimes it proves to be wrong but isn't it great when it leads you to correct information that puts you up one generation further. I vote for putting information in and its source if it has one, great, if it doesn't, put it in and everyone should treat it accordingly. Chuck

Hi, The Crawford's of Rockingham project is working great. We have been successful in linking some Crawford's already. If you missed the first e-mail on this subject I will explain it again. I feel that by combining or pooling our information we can link more Crawford's together. If you have information to submit, you can send it to me several ways. The preferred way would be by Family Tree Maker, Gedcom file. The next best way would be to ' attach ' your txt, doc or other word processor to E-mail. I have a sample ' Crawford's of Rockingham ' home page post at <A HREF="http://member.aol.com/mrbob625/rockingham.htm">http://member.aol.com/ mrbob625/rockingham.htm</A> . Remember, this is only a sample page, please take a look and give me your suggestions or comments. This page needs more work as it doesn't work well with the Netscape browser. This will not be another, I can't find my relatives page. Your information will be scanned against other databases to look for links. Robert Lee Crawford, Sr

I don't know why I get drawn into the debates over sourced vs non sourced information. They seem to go on and on, or at least they have on other lists. I will offer my own thoughts and experience. First, a irrefutable fact. Every assertion or claim has (or had) a source! One can not exist without the other. The problem I have is when the claim is severed from it's source. I have spent a lot of generally wasted time trying to track down LDS submitters who either had found a record on which they based a claim or simply used some rationale to make their claim. Absent the basis for the claim I can not tell which is the case. The same is true of much of the information on the World Family Tree CD's and many earlier published family genealogy books. Ok, you say, this guy has a keen grasp of the obvious. Well that's true, but it seems to me that the situation will never get better and will probably get worse (since anyone can now "publish" on the internet) if we all do not resolve to stop breaking the link between claim and source. "Source", in the context used above, certainly doesn't only refer to the usual records that lineage societies use to establish a line of descent, but rather the ORIGIN of any claim "as you know it". Simply put, this means we say WHERE we got every claim and bit of evidence, or HOW we reached a conclusion. Sometimes, when I do that with my own analysis, I realize that the conclusion is so feeble that it adds more confusion than it clarifies. I have come to believe that my time is generally better spent corresponding with court clerks, genealogy societies and using genealogy libraries than trying to find the basis of some long since made unsupported claim. The whole concept of genealogy is based on drawing conclusions from evidence. Unless we want everyone else who follows to have to discover the same records we have, then we owe it to them to say what the record said and where we found it. If we are asserting our own conclusion then we need to explain the logic we used. Bill

Henry, your a lucky man. I found your James Crawford, wife Rebecca Davis and siblings. I also found Alexander (Buzz) Crawford, wife Clarandia (Clay) Lawson and siblings. It seems that you belong to the distinguished family of Zachariah Crawford of Green Co., VA. I have a data base on him that contains several hundred names from Zachariah, 1780 to Carley Lynn Pavan. Some of the other names in this data base are, Shifflet, Davis, Bellomy, Hollaway, Mowbray, Morris, Lam, Hansbrough, Lawson, Nicewarner, Timmons, Stark, Boone, McGuire, Walker, Armstrong, Push, Smith, Seitz and many more. Please send e-mail and we'll find the best way to send this data to you. You are ' Rockingham Crawford's' first success! Robert Lee Crawford, Sr