I counted at least SEVENTY-SIX messages posted just today, yet I haven't heard anyone complaining. Is it any coincidence that such a massive number of "un-silly" posts followed all the earlier "silly" dialog and subsequent complaints and unsubscriptions? I doubt it; I think it all energized everyone, much like the cup of coffee I used as a metaphor in an earlier post. Am I still upset about those complaints? You bet I am. NO ONE except the list manager has any business publicly maligning others' messages as silly and trying to control the flow of the dialog. Just because the topics of those messages were of no interest to you is no excuse. Some people are also wonderfully creative at hiding their true motives behind plausible-sounding rationalizations, and they do both themselves and everyone else a disservice in the process. If you want to be upset about something "silly", why not get upset about the ongoing difficulty that so many current list memebers seem to be having with simple message etiquette, which truly affects everyone? You know, if I were paying horrendous connect charges, downloaded the headers for Craig-L messages and picked which ones I wanted to download, then spent precious connect minutes retrieving those complete messages only to discover that they weren't at all what the subject implied, I'd be livid! Yet I don't recall anyone complaining about that in the past; no, they waited to complain about "silly" messages where the subject line was actually on-target and they had the choice to make. I have subscribed to Craig-L for more than two years, but in the last six months or less I have seen a steady decline in the quality of posts. This latest episode has been too much for me. I have no stomach for the way in which a few people so unaware and unenlightened are diluting the experience for everyone else. Needless to say, I can do little more than I've already tried to do, by educating people. I give up. Some of you are truly remarkable people, both personally and in terms of what you have to contribute, and you'll missed.

In a message dated 4/13/00 8:49:30 PM EST, macraig@bigfoot.com writes: << There's your answer... you're looking in the wrong country! >> Mark: Thanks for the look up. Now, I'll remember where the name Perth Amboy came from. Do you know if the article you found said when the name Perth was added? Actually, I am trying to find out where my ancestor Archibald Craig, son of John and Ursula Orsella Craig, came from. He was born 1678 in Scotland and died in Freehold, New Jersey. Someone reported that he was from Amboy, Scotland. Now, I wonder if he came to Perth Amboy then to Freehold. Somebody sure was confused and caused confusion. Thanks again. Bud Caudle Guthrie, OK

Cassie: Is anything known about the Elizabeth Johnson who was married to Toliver Jr.? Thanks, Margot Davis

Yes, we are out here........looking for Margaret Craig born 1742 who married James A. Brownlee near Drumclog, Lanarkshire in 1766........can not find her parents....they did name one son William Craig Brownle who took a Dr. of Divinity at the U. of Glasgow, later came to US and was a prominent minister, author and professor at Rutgers U............would really like to break ground on this Craig family. Any ideas? -----Original Message----- From: Glasgow Boy <duncan@mcintosh1943.freeserve.co.uk> To: CRAIG-L@rootsweb.com <CRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, April 13, 2000 3:56 AM Subject: [CRAIG-L] Scottish Craigs >To be fair to Craig list I was offered to set up a team for Scottish based Craigs. My system is too erratic for me to comply. However I am sure some of you must have Scottish roots. Mine are all from the Glasgow area from around 1750. Anyone out there? > > >==== CRAIG Mailing List ==== > All material sent through Craig-L > is copyright 2000 by its original author > permission must be obtained from the original author > for the reuse of any text, "whole or in part". > Craig Genealogy Web Page > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9791 > >============================== >The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >

Dear Daly & Craig, Craig in your latest post you mentioned that there were many blacksmiths in the family. I know for a fact that Alfred Charles and William D. Craig were blacksmiths. I also think that there father David was one in Hayesville. The shop were Al & William ran is still standing in Tiffin Ohio and the rafters are filled with square nails. I also remember my g.grandfather Al telling about a relative that went out west and sent him a gold nugget. This gold nugget was made into a ring with a diamond, sapphire and ruby wet into it. Sad to say I wore it to a dance while in highschool and lost it. Samuel Craig b? d? m. Mary Martin b? d? William B. 11-11-1783 in VA. D.5-1870 m. 12-28-1808 Mary Weddle B. 6-21-1784 in PA. D. 1850 Made home in West Newton PA. until 1812 when William enlisted in the service. He was a carpenter. They moved their family to Hayesville Ohio in 1834 Jesse Weddle b. 1-17-1808 I know nothing about this child. Anna b. 12-28-1809 m. James Weddle William Jr. b. 9-28-1812 d. 1888 m. Barbary Whittington he was a blacksmith Samuel b. 12-25-1814 d. 1890 m. Jemmima Stafford Elenor b. 12-6-1816 m. Mose Martin Mary b. 1-18-1819 m. Daniel Claten moved to Ind. Daniel b. 8-25-1821 d. 12-10-1923 m. Mary Conn He was a carpenter John b. 8-30-1823 1st. wife Sarah Dove 2nd wife Mary Coleman he was a blacksmith James b. 2-26-1826 m. Margaret Barnes moved to Ill. early Elhanen died in infancy David H b. 9-30-1829 d. 1871 m. Mary Porter b. 1836 d. 1912 He was a blacksmith. Francis Craig b. 1858 William D. Craig b. 1858 d. 1912 m. Emma R. Della Bachelder He was a blacksmith Alfred Charles b. 1863 d. 1950 m. Della Kisling He was a blacksmith.

>From another list........mention of a Craig........this is Fayette Co., PA -----Original Message----- From: marta burns <marta43@juno.com> To: PAFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com <PAFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 11:38 PM Subject: [Pafayett-L] rankin, junk, preston, hurst, hankins, craig >Biographical and Portrait Cyclopedia of Fayette County by Gresham and >Wiley, 1889, p214 > William Rankin was born February 20, 1841, in North Union township, >Fayette county, Penna, on the old Rankin homestead which has belonged to >a Rankin by the name of William for four generations. > William Rankin, father of the subject of this sketch, was born at the >Rankin homestead September 25, 1800. He was a whig in his younger days >but became a democrat in 1856. He died March 27, 1877. His father and >grandfather owned the present Rankin homestead. > Eliza Junk, daughter of John Junk of North Union township, was the >mother of the subject of this sketch. She was born April 13, 1807, and >was married February 1831, to William Rankin. They had four children: >John Rankin; William Rankin; Samuel Rankin and Hugh Rankin. > John Junk, the father of Eliza Junk, was married to Sarah Preston. He >was an elder in the United Presbyterian church, was a prosperous farmer, >and left large tracts of land to his children. He voted for General >Washington for president. > The subject of this sketch was brought up on a farm and was educated in >the common schools of North Union township. His business is farming which >he has followed all of his life. He owns a finely improved farm, where he >resides and owns valuable property in Uniontown. > On November 19, 1861, he was married to Miss Martha B Hurst by Rev B P >Ferguson. Mrs Rankin was a daughter of Nathaniel G Hurst, and was born >April 1, 1843. > They have six children living, two boys and four girls: Mary Eliza >Rankin, born June 15, 1863, married to John F Hankins of Uniontown; >William H Rankin, born February 18, 1865, engaged in teaching: Isaac >Rankin, born Mary 4, 1867; Frances Rankin, born February 12, 1869, >married to Albert R Craig; Ida M Rankin, born January 21, 1873, attending >school, living at home; and Daisy M Rankin, born December 16, 1880. > In politics Mr Rankin is a staunch democrat and is a strong temperance >man. He holds the office of supervisor in a strong republican township. >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > >==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== >"You Have a Friend in Fayette County, Pennsylvania"! > >

Sending this response again, because my e-mail was acting up and I don't think it was posted: ---------------------- Judy Cato says Capt. John Craig's grandson Lewis Young Craig had a bible which said his grandfather's name was John Hawkins Craig. This is the only source I've heard of for this. I think in his time he was always "Capt. John Craig" or "John Craig" and his son was distinguished by being called "John Hawkins Craig" or "John H. Craig." This is how they were treated in a genealogy kept by Capt. John Craig's nephew Lewis Sanders, and in Katherine Miller Craig's materials, and everything else I've seen. To start calling him John Hawkins Craig confuses things, I think. My apologies if anyone got this message twice. Bill Davis wmadavis@kih.net **************************************************************** * * * Fax (978)334-7850 * P.O. Box 337 * Ghent * KY * 41045 * * * **************************************************************** http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=wmadavis ****************************************************************

Does anyone know anything more on this Craig line in Canada? I have the Reynolds line, but am missing my Craig cousins. William Craig, b. ?, where ?, d. 1878, m. Charlotte Helen Reynolds, b. 1839, Nilestown, Ontario, Canada, d. 1881, Ontario, Canada. Would love to connect with anyone researching this line. Cheryl Reynolds Kenter Missouri, USA

In a message dated 4/13/00 8:41:09 PM EST, macraig@bigfoot.com writes: << You might want to see what you can find out about the history of the name Amboy >> Thanks, Mark. Bud

The oldest info I have on my CRAIGs is that they left Coleraine, Northern Ireland for America in 1743 or 1744. David, my direct ancestor may have emigrated with a brother named John. Prior to N Ireland (1795-1700?), these CRAIGs were said to be from the Glasgow area -- perhaps Renfrew -- but had their roots, in turn, on the Isle of Skye before moving to the big city. By unproven family tradition, the considered themselves part of Clan BUCHANAN, and, generation after generation, were employed as clerks -- that is, they could read and write, well! Another unclear possible connection is that they had married PATTONs, who ostensibly were descendants (direct?) of a Matthew PATTON, a Protestant dissenter who refuse to recant and was drawn and quartered in Glasgow. Anything make sense on your side of the pond? John Craig ANDREWS

In a message dated 4/13/00 6:52:25 PM EST, JLCR3210@aol.com writes: << http:///www.nireland.com/archie.reid/links.htm >> If you have trouble with this URL, notice that it has one too many / just before the www. Bud Caudle

At 03:31 PM 04/13/2000 +0200, you wrote: > Paula, > You need to find first the parents names, a possible birth >certificate? you don't show timeframes of the people so it is hard to help >that way. I have been digging quite a bit into Ireland and North Ireland >lately. > > Sandra Tracy Do you have any advice for me? My mother's maternal grandparents were born in Ireland in the mid-1800's, showed up in England in 1878 (six of their nine children were born there) and came to America in 1888. Her grandfather was born in County Down and her grandmother was born in County Antrim. While I have the names of their parents, I have no data on the parents birthdates or any more specifics on locations for anyone. (I do have the birthdates of my mother's grandparents.) I would go to my relatives, but the ones I have located are related by marriage or adoption and have no historical knowledge of the family. I've been told that the rest of them are dead. (If they're not, they certainly are doing a good job of hiding from me.) I have one clue to go on which would require that I look at the 1901 Ireland census. Do you know if I can do that in America? Everything I've read seems to indicate that you must go to Ireland to do your research, or else hire someone to do it for you. If you have any advice, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Kathy Doug & Kathy Lawson 6518 Glen Forest Drive Chapel Hill, NC 27514 (919) 489-3060

Bud: No, the article didn't mention an actual year or date. I'm betting it was later than when Archibald was in Jersey, though. Should be easy enough to prove, maybe just by looking for history on that fellow James Drummond. Glad I could help... I love little mysteries like that. Of course this all means you're back to Square One about where he was born in Scotland. :-( Mark -----Original Message----- From: BnLFAMILY@aol.com [mailto:BnLFAMILY@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 8:35 pm To: CRAIG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CRAIG-L] Amboy name is... American Indian! In a message dated 4/13/00 8:49:30 PM EST, macraig@bigfoot.com writes: << There's your answer... you're looking in the wrong country! >> Mark: Thanks for the look up. Now, I'll remember where the name Perth Amboy came from. Do you know if the article you found said when the name Perth was added? Actually, I am trying to find out where my ancestor Archibald Craig, son of John and Ursula Orsella Craig, came from. He was born 1678 in Scotland and died in Freehold, New Jersey. Someone reported that he was from Amboy, Scotland. Now, I wonder if he came to Perth Amboy then to Freehold. Somebody sure was confused and caused confusion. Thanks again. Bud Caudle Guthrie, OK ==== CRAIG Mailing List ==== All material sent through Craig-L is copyright 2000 by its original author permission must be obtained from the original author for the reuse of any text, "whole or in part". CRAIG GENEALOGY WEB PAGE http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9791 ============================== Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. http://pml.rootsweb.com/ Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.

Judy Cato says Capt. John Craig's grandson Lewis Young Craig had a bible which said his grandfather's name was John Hawkins Craig. This is the only source I've heard of for this. I think in his time he was always "Capt. John Craig" or "John Craig" and his son was distinguished by being called "John Hawkins Craig" or "John H. Craig." This is how they were treated in a genealogy kept by Capt. John Craig's nephew Lewis Sanders, and in Katherine Miller Craig's materials, and everything else I've seen. To start calling him John Hawkins Craig confuses things, I think. Bill Davis wmadavis@kih.net **************************************************************** * * * Fax (978)334-7850 * P.O. Box 337 * Ghent * KY * 41045 * * * **************************************************************** http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=wmadavis ****************************************************************

Well, I just read Judy's email. From now on, for me, it is Captain John Hawkins Craig, aka Captain John Craig (or Great x 3 grandpa).

Thanks, Bill , to me he is now Captain John Craig. ---------- >From: "William A. Davis" <wmadavis@kih.net> >To: CRAIG-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CRAIG-L] John Hawkins Craig vs Capt. John Craig >Date: Thu, Apr 13, 2000, 7:56 PM > > > >Judy Cato says Capt. John Craig's grandson Lewis Young Craig had a bible >which said his grandfather's name was John Hawkins Craig. This is the >only source I've heard of for this. I think in his time he was always >"Capt. John Craig" or "John Craig" and his son was distinguished by being >called "John Hawkins Craig" or "John H. Craig." This is how they were >treated in a genealogy kept by Capt. John Craig's nephew Lewis Sanders, and >in Katherine Miller Craig's materials, and everything else I've seen. To >start calling him John Hawkins Craig confuses things, I think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Davis wmadavis@kih.net >**************************************************************** > * * * Fax (978)334-7850 * P.O. Box 337 * Ghent * KY * 41045 * * * >**************************************************************** >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=wmadavis >**************************************************************** > > >==== CRAIG Mailing List ==== > All material sent through Craig-L > is copyright 2000 by its original author > permission must be obtained from the original author > for the reuse of any text, "whole or in part". > Craig Genealogy Web Page > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9791 > >============================== >Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. >RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

At 10:07 AM 04/13/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Possibly! I'm trying to find the Clems! They are an illusive bunch! So >far I >know my grandfather's siblings and their spouses and SOME of the children's >names. I recently unearthed my great grandfather's first name - John. That >helped! He was "married" to a squaw, according to family legend (my great >grandfather was listed as "c" on the census) and there is no record of him >to date >in either of the counties I've searched. I don't know where he came from, >where >he went - no grave, even, so far. I'd like to see whatever you have on Mary, >though. > Donna (Clem) Arthur Hi Donna, about all i have on Mary is that she was married to Harry Craig b. 1900 and their children were Janet Marie, Steven Dale,Sandra Allison,Samuel D.,Robert and Clara Jane >Rick Craig wrote: > > > At 09:30 AM 04/12/2000 -0700, you wrote: > > >I'm interested! I'm following some probable siblings of my wayward James > > >Craig and it looks like they ran for Rush Co., IN. Shhhhhh - don't tell > > >them I'm right behind them. > > > > > >Whatchagot? > > > > > >Teri > > >tmmaddox@seasurf.net > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: darthur1 <darthur@iquest.net> > > >To: CRAIG-L@rootsweb.com <CRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Date: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 8:05 AM > > >Subject: Re: [CRAIG-L] Thomas Craig, Franklin [& Rush] counties, IN 1822 > > > > > > > > > >I have a very limited amount of information on some of the Rush > County line > > >. . . > > > > Donna (Clem) Arthur > > > > > > > >"William A. Davis" wrote: > > > > > > > >> Received a query mentioning a Thomas Craig in Franklin County, > Indiana in > > >1822. She also mentioned Rush County Craigs. Does anyone have any > > >information I can pass along? > > > >> > > > > This is for Donna (Clem) Arthur: In my line we have Harry Dodsworth Craig > > who Married Mary Clem in Clark County, Ind. Any connection.? > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Bill Davis wmadavis@kih.net > > > >> **************************************************************** > > > >> * * * Fax (978)334-7850 * P.O. Box 337 * Ghent * KY * > 41045 * * * > > > >> **************************************************************** > > > >> http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=wmadavis > > > >> **************************************************************** > > > >> > > > >> ==== CRAIG Mailing List ==== > > > >> All material sent through Craig-L > > > >> is copyright 2000 by its original author > > > >> permission must be obtained from the original author > > > >> for the reuse of any text, "whole or in part". > > > >> CRAIG GENEALOGY WEB PAGE > > > >> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9791 > > > >> > > > >> ============================== > > > >> Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > > > >> RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > > > >> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CRAIG Mailing List ==== > > > > All material sent through Craig-L > > > > is copyright 2000 by its original author > > > > permission must be obtained from the original author > > > > for the reuse of any text, "whole or in part". > > > > Craig Genealogy Web Page > > > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9791 > > > > > > > >============================== > > > >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > > > >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > > > >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CRAIG Mailing List ==== > > > CRAIG MAILING LIST > > > The list for the study of Genealogy and History > > > of the Craig Families, here and abroad > > > Craig Genealogy Web Page > > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9791 > > > > > >============================== > > >The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > >Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > > >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== CRAIG Mailing List ==== > > All material sent through Craig-L > > is copyright 2000 by its original author > > permission must be obtained from the original author > > for the reuse of any text, "whole or in part". > > Craig Genealogy Web Page > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9791 > > > > ============================== > > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > >==== CRAIG Mailing List ==== > All Material sent through Craig-L > is copyright 2000 by its original > author. Permission must be obtained > from the original author for the reuse > of any text "whole or in part". > Craig Genealogy Web Page > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9791 > >============================== >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

I found out it was the county of Lanark Thomas Craig June 28th 1752 father may be George Craig married to Agnes Sterling 1737 and his father may have been James Craig married to Isabel Stevens Nancy

hello n.ireland here....... try.............http://www.nireland.com/archie.reid/links.htm might be of some help to you........... regards ..james alexander craig..............co.antrim..n.ireland

hello..from N.Ireland .........a local site you may like to try..that will give you information regarding N.Ireland....re..surnames..sailings from Larne..etc. .......http:///www.nireland.com/archie.reid/links.htm Hoping it may be of some use to you..............good hunting......keep in touch .........regards ...james alexander craig....(between ballyclare and larne )