I do not recognize the Craig family you have mentioned nor can I find any of them in my data base. Sorry I can not be of help to you. Loretta D. ---------- > From: Mercat@aol.com > To: CRAIG-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CRAIG-L] Re: "My Craig family" and Siloam Springs, Arkansas > Date: Sunday, August 06, 2000 10:10 PM > > I'm looking for a Dale or Vernon Craig, should still be alive... sons of Leo > Craig and Eileen Nichols. They are the 5th generation descended from Joseph > Craig and Mary Parker. Joseph was my ancestor's first cousin and Mary was > my husband's ancestor's first cousin. They married two hundred years ago > this October. > > Mary Ellen > > > ==== CRAIG Mailing List ==== > All Material sent through Craig-L > is copyright 2000 by its original > author. Permission must be obtained > from the original author for the reuse > of any text "whole or in part". > Craig Genealogy Web Page > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9791 > > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. >

If anyone is "white trash" it is Clinton himself . "Wealth is not measured by what you have, but by what you have given away". Native American Saying.

I have been interested in the melungeons for years.....mostly because of the various "lost" groups of Europeans that settled in this country very early on. Melungeon is now starting to become a catch all phrase for almost every dark haired group that genealogists are trying to categorize. The term Black Irish has nothing to do with the Melungeon. Some folks seem to believe that the "Black Irish" were the result of Spanish ship wrecked off the coast of Ireland. I, myself, think that it is just a term used for an Irishman with dark hair and a dark eye.....as if an Irishman with dark hair was something odd...:-)) When I have traveled in Ireland, I do believe I have met as many dark haired Irish as I have redheads..:-) So....whatever the heck Black Irish means....it probably means something different to every person that ever hurled it as an epithet at another person. We surely can be unkind to one another...can't we??? ...........Judy :-)) *********************************************************** cato@primary.net ***********************************************************

Judy, In answer to your comment about "black Irish" there is a list on roots web called MELUNGEON. I had never heard the term until October last year when I was in Jonesborough TN and the lady recommended a book by Dr. Brent Kennedy to me about some of the people in the Appalachian Mts. It seems there is a group referred to as MELUNGEON who because of their dark coloring have claimed to be Portegese, Black Dutch, Black Irish, Indian, etc. anything to explain their coloring. They are in truth a tri-racial mixture of anglo, indian, posssibly african, turkish, moors, portegese and any number of ethnic backgrounds from the Mediteranian area. Not only have they inherited some of the charactoristics but many of the genitic illnesses that are common among people of Mediteranian decent. Keep in mind, this includes the coast of all countries that border the Mediteranian Sea. The list's archives has many many wonderful clues to a lot of "dead end" for a lot of people. The MELUNGEON people were very much discriminated against and you will find references in the census' of FPC - Free person of Color or M - mullotto. The story of this group of people is extreamly interesting and worth looking into. Some of the surnames common among the Melungeon people are: Adams, Adkins, Baker, Barnes, Beckler, Belcher, Bell, Bennett, Berry, Biggs, Bolen, Bolton, Bowlin, Bowling, Bowman, Branham, Brogan, Bullion, Burton, Byrd, Campbell, Carrico, Carter, Casteel, Caudill, Chavis, Clark, Coal, Coffey, Cole, Coleman, Coles, Colley, Collier, Collins, Collinsworth, Colyer, Counts, Cox, Coxe, Crow, Cumba, Cumbo, Cumbow, Curry Davis, Denham, Dooley, Dorton, Dula, Dye, Ely, Evans, Fields, Freeman, French, Gallagher, Gann, Garland, Gibson, Bipson, Goins, Goings, Gorverns, Gowan, Gowen, Graham, Gwinn, Hall, Hamond, Hendircks, Hendrix, Hill, Hillman, Hopkins, Jackson, Keith, Kennedy, Kiser, Lawson, Lopes, Lucas, Maggard, Maloney, Martin, Miner, Minor, Mizer, Moore, Morley, Mosley, Mozingo, Mullins, Nash, Niccans, Noel Orr, Osborn, Osborne, Perry, Phelps, Fhipps, Polly, Powers, Pruitt, Ramey, Rasnick, Reaves, Reeves, Rice, Riddle, Rivers, Roberson, Robertson, Robinson, Sexton, Shephard, Short, Sizemore, Stallard, Stanley, Steel, Swindall, Tackett, Taylor, Tipton, Tolliver, Turner, Vanover, Watts, White, Whited, Williams, Willis, Wilson, Wright, Wyatt The name of Dr. Kennedy's book THE MELUNGEONS: The Resurrection of a Proud People An Untold Story of Ethnic Cleansing in America. It is well worth reading just for the historical implications. Linda Sharp Smith "Wealth is not measured by what you have, but by what you have given away". Native American Saying.

Hello List! We are searching for the following people; William R. Craig b. abt. 1809 Kentucky d. before 1860 in Hancock County, Illinois. We think that he was he was married to Mary Ann Branstetter in Barren County, Kentucky and they had the following children; Emily Craig, b. abt. 1835, Kentucky Mary A. Craig, b. abt. 1838, Kentucky Catharine Craig, b. abt. 1840, Kentucky Eliza Craig, b. abt. 1842, Kentucky William Craig, b. abt.. 1845, Kentucky Matilda T. Craig, b. abt. 1847, Kentucky Philip P. Craig, b. abt. 1850, Illinois This family also had connections with some Craigs in South Carolina. I am not sure of what the relation is but here are the names; John M. Craig, b. abt. 1872, South Carolina (later moved to Wichita, Kansas and had our great grandfather Clyde S. Craig living with him) Henry Craig, b. abt. 1804, South Carolina (Henry living close to the William R. Craig family that had moved from Kentucky to Hancock County, IL. He was the only other Craig living in that county at the time. Maybe this could be a brother to William R. Craig and their parents could have moved from South Carolina to Kentucky in between having children?) If any of this sounds familiar to anyone, please write to one of us. We really appreciating you taking the time to read all of this. Kelly k.d.redman@worldnet.att.net Laura Misstarlauraj@aol.com

I was talking to my cousin yesterday and she was talking about a Charles Craig who visted them and worked in the oil field with her Dad her mother was the daughter of Gertrude Craig who father was James Craig of Clay Co. You are talking about a brother to Steve Craig who was the son of My James Craigs son James S. Craig . E-mail me I can get you in touch with Steve Craig's granddaughter . Wanda

I would love a copy of your craig family as i believe Lewis was a brother to my Joseph. thanks wanda

Judy, I really enjoyed your story and memories. I read it twice and just wanted you to know. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: cato <cato@primary.net> To: <CRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 9:09 AM Subject: [CRAIG-L] Poor Old White Trash > I grew up one of those fortunate children in a huge old farmhouse with my > Greatgrandparents, grandparents and parents all one big extended family. > The Cato side of the family has long been noted as family storytellers and > kept a lot of the Craig information alive. My Greatgrandfather in Tennessee > John Wesley Cato married Laura Craig and if it were not for his interest in > the Craig family history, a lot of the Kentucky information/connection would > have been lost to me. > > My Greatgrandmother, who lived up here in Missouri with us was of course, a > Tennessee girl, Clara Augusta Terrill Hays McElroy. (We didn't talk about > the Hayes side much, I was told that Grandpa Terrill "carried" Clara down to > Nashville and got her a divorce..shhhhhhhh) > > Anyway.....the Hays side of the family turned out to be "poor old white > trash". Jake Hayes was supposed to be "black Irish" ....whatever the heck > that is. I have found out subsequently that if you are a Hays and you > hailed from Ireland you came from Northern Ireland...Port Stewart to be > specific. The Hays were Scots transplanted to Northern Ireland like a lot > of the Craigs. > > Jake's family was poor..not real big on working hard and did not raise their > kids the way the rest of the community thought kids should be nurtured. > They had too many kids and their homestead was ill kept. Jake ...and his > father...drank too much. > > My Grandmother, Surisa Winifred Hays McElroy (who married my Grandfather > John L Cato, Sr, son of Laura Craig) spent her entire life of 83 years > living down the fact that she was Jake Hayes daughter. No one else in the > world knew ...or cared...but she did. She was the daughter of a wildly good > looking, wild young man, who finally ran off to work for the railroad, whose > family was "poor white trash". > > My Grandmother married into a gentile old Southern family who lost > everything but their pride and manners to the Civil War. To the day she > died she always believed they never thought she was "good enough" for > "Buddy". He was the eldest son and everyone always deferred to him. > > After she died I was visiting in Tennessee with some of my cousins. If you > look in the dictionary for the definition of refined, gentile, strong > Southern women....their pictures will be next to the explanation....LOL!!! > We had all of the genealogy books out and were swapping and investigating > family stories when one of them started talking about my Grandmother, > Surisa. They went on and on about how everyone always admired Surisa's > ways...about how stylishly she dressed, how impeccable her manners were and > how, as children, they were always severely admonished and lectured to mind > their manners, only speak when spoken to, sit up straight at the table, > don't run and shriek in the house, no fighting, watch your grammer....Aunt > Surisa was going to be there, and "you know how nice she is, don't > embarrass us in front of Aunt Surisa." > > I cried when I heard that story.....I know how much my Grandmother suffered > all of her days under the belief she was never good enough, because her > father's family was poor old white trash. > > ...........Judy > > > > *********************************************************** > cato@primary.net > *********************************************************** > > > ==== CRAIG Mailing List ==== > All Material sent through Craig-L > is copyright 2000 by its original > author. Permission must be obtained > from the original author for the reuse > of any text "whole or in part". > Craig Genealogy Web Page > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9791 > > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/ >

Inappropriate on this forum. Unsubscribe, please. Ken Robinson wrote: > We experienced the same derogatory "classifying" according to income by > President Clinton's buddy James Carville when he referred to Paula Jones of > the trailer park, mobile home class, as having no right to sue Clinton - or > others above her station financially. Obviously, since she was poor, she > was not to be believed. While he might not have used the actual words > "white trash" - it's obvious that's what he and Clinton wanted everyone to > believe. > > Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JE Mayla Blakley <mayla@lava.net> > To: <CRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 3:45 AM > Subject: Re: [CRAIG-L] Name Changing- Addendum > > > Hi Doug~~~As I understand it, white trash was a derogatory term used to > > apply to people who were, often, poor and lived in slovenly conditions, > > perhaps with a father who was an alcoholic or who failed to work or who > did > > disreputable, somewhat criminal things and/or perhaps > > unreliable/untrustworthy things. Think people called such often had many > > children who were ill-fed and ill-kempt. The term has serious racist > > overtones and comes from a time when we believed certain people were > > genetically inferior and deserved to be prevented from having children and > > when many protestant faiths supported the idea that you could tell who was > a > > good, god-fearing person by how financially well off they were (god's > > reward). > > > > anyway, maybe Rueben was a black sheep & became an alcoholic or otherwise > > shamed the family. I've heard the name Huldah or something akin, although > I > > think it was Jewish. > > > > good searching, mayla@lava.net > > > > > > ==== CRAIG Mailing List ==== > > All material sent through Craig-L > > is copyright 2000 by its original author > > permission must be obtained from the original author > > for the reuse of any text, "whole or in part". > > Craig Genealogy Web Page > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9791 > > > > > > ============================== > > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. > > > > ==== CRAIG Mailing List ==== > All material sent through Craig-L > is copyright 2000 by its original author > permission must be obtained from the original author > for the reuse of any text, "whole or in part". > Craig Genealogy Web Page > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9791 > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/

Loretta D. & List: I do not know if this is any connection to your Craig family or not, but, I have a great uncle, Charles Marshall Craig, b. 1882 Hindsboro,Douglas,Illinois who married in 1905 a Cora Walls. Charles died July 31, 1917 in Wichita, Kansas, as a result of burns received while working as an inspector in some oil fields. He is buried in Dixon Cemetery at Cherokee City, Ark. which is a very small community northwest of SILOAM SPRINGS, ARKANSAS. I was looking through my e-mail archives attempting to find an e-mail from, I believe, Wanda Young, if not, someone....anyway, that indicated that my Charles Craig was buried in Arkansas because his wife, Cora Walls' family was living and farming there. Apparently, Cora Walls, went there for family support. Cora later remarried and I have the husband's name somewhere also. Again, I do not know if this is anything connection-wise. My Craigs are from Edgar, Clark, Douglas, Coles and other Illinois counties. I heard mentioned JASPER and Marion counties for some relations, but, my records only indicate vaguely. Prior to Illinois, my Craigs came from Morgan, Floyd, & Montgomery counties, Kentucky. Before that, Greenbrier & Monroe counties, Virginia(now West Virginia). And, before that, AUGUSTA and Betetourt counties, Virginia. Again, I just thought I'd throw this info. you way for all that it is worth. Sincerely, Deane Oliver Craig, Sr. Las Vegas, Nevada(Glitter Gulch of the New Wild West) On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:28:53 -0500 "B & L Denard" <denard@lcc.net> writes: > The following are my Craig ancestors. > > f Oliver B. Craig b 10-1-1904 OK d 30-3-1995 Tulsa, OK m. > Carrie > Marie Trammell > 25-5-1931 Fayetteville, AR Marie b 6-9-1913 Siloam Springs, > AR d > 25-8-1998 > Tulsa, OK > gf Andrew Jackson Craig b 7-11-1866 Jasper Co., IL d. > 29-10-1945 > Oilton, OK > m. Ollie Alberta Spencer 5-4-1896 TX, Ollie b 7-24-1879 TX > d. > Oilton, OK > ggf Timothy S. Craig b 1833 Hardin Co., KY m. Eleanor B. > Smallwood > 14-11-1853 > Eleanor b. 21-10-1835 Hardin Co., KY > gggf William Craig b c1804 Albemarle Co., VA d Aug 1849 Jasper > Co., IL > m. Abigail Needam 3-6-1828 Hardin Co., KY, Abigail b. > 30-6-1810 > KY > ggggf Samuel J. Craig b c1765 Albemarle Co., VA d c 1830 Hardin > Co., KY > m Elizabeth "Betsey" Bailey ND b. c 1784 Albemarle Co. > VA d. > Hardin Co., > VA > gggggf Thomas Craig b c1710 York Co., PA d 16-4-1798 Albemarle Co., > VA > m. Jane Jameson May 1748 Augusta Co., VA Jane b. > 29-1-1713 > > In 1880 TX census Timothy and Eleanor were in Grayson Co. with all > their > children except their oldest child Sara Elizabeth who had married > before > they left IL. After that time I have not been able to find anything > on > them. Only have family info handed down. Would like to find info > on them > and children. > > Appreciate any help you can give me on any of my Craigs. > > Loretta D. > > > > ==== CRAIG Mailing List ==== > All Material sent through Craig-L > is copyright 2000 by its original author. > Permission must be obtained from the original author, > for the reuse of any text "whole or in part". > Craig Genealogy Web Page > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9791 > > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >

Thanks to all of the folks who commented on/sent info on my last posting about the Craigo/Craig name change. I think I have it all pretty well ironed out now. What I wanted to do now, is see if any of the folks here on the Craig-List have any info on any of Lewis and Margarets children. Get your handkerchiefs out, this could prove to get some of you a little misty. O.K. here we go .... Lewis Craig married Margaret Bulger and had five (5) children. they were : Mary S. Craig born in 1850, Benjamin F. Craig born in 1851, Thomas S. Craig born in 1854, Amos M. born in 1856, and Sarah F. Craig born in 1859. After the death of Lewis in July of 1858, Margaret married a man by the name of Joseph Stover on 6 July 1861. For whatever reason, it was either one of those, "I'll marry you, but not the kids", type of thing. Or the kids thought that maybe he was a poor replacement for their father .... I don't know. I also don't know if she married Joseph for love, or just for sheer support. I would probably lean towards the latter, but again .... I don't know. Anyway, the children were living with the following families as per the 1870 Federal Census for Preble County. Amos is living/boarding with Lawrence and Elenor Larsh in Dixon Township. Benjamin is living/boarding with John and Caroline Sauer in Jackson Township. Mary is living/boarding with Eli and Lucinda Conger also in Jackson Township. Sarah and Margarets father Thomas Bulger is shown living in the Joseph Stover home in Twin Township. The census's following 1870, show no trace of any of the children except Amos, who stayed in Preble County and married a Lydia Jane Dearth and also residing in Twin Township. Do any of these name sound familiar to any of you Craig's here on the list ???? Not necessarily just the children, but any of the adults mentioned also. Would it be too much to see if anyone would want a copy of the Craig Gedcom that I have? I hate to use up space to post all of my Craig family that I know of. And probably about 99% if not all of the folks here on the list could care less. As they have never heard of any of these folks. I'm just taking a chance that someone here might recognize a name and be able to offer some info. Thanks !!!!!! Doug

I grew up in Texas, all branches of my mother's family, including the Craigs had been in either Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri, or Texas since before the Revolution. All but one was English or Scottish and they were Dutch .... pretty dour bunch all in all and moderately successful but never rich. In that context, no one even used the term "white trash" because that would have been a common term and not appropriate. But I did know that I didn't get my ears pierced and that I would go to college and wear dresses and not go out at night without an escort, etc. All in all, not a bad way to be raised... but pretty boring by today's standards. My concept of "white trash" now is double wides and methanphetamines. I know that there are good people who live in trailers but I do confess that I would worry a great deal if one of my children ended up living in a trailer park for any length of time. Mary Ellen in Kansas

Hi everyone, This thread started out as part of a statement that was acceotable. It is now heading into dangerous waters. Let's stop it now, please!! John Your sergeant at arms <G>

--part1_20.9b57ef8.26bed552_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi List, I am posting this information in hopes that it may help someone else in there search and maybe find a connection to my family. This is my family information: Courtesy of Mr. George H. Hayward; --part1_20.9b57ef8.26bed552_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <ghayward@nbnet.nb.ca> Received: from rly-ye05.mx.aol.com (rly-ye05.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.202]) by air-ye04.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:32:34 -0400 Received: from quartz.nbnet.nb.ca (smtp1.nbnet.nb.ca [198.164.200.18]) by rly-ye05.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:32:23 -0400 Received: from ghayward ([142.166.250.176]) by quartz.nbnet.nb.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-66826U105000L105000S0V35) with SMTP id ca for <TSheltown@aol.com>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 20:32:18 -0300 Message-ID: <000b01bffe6c$0abdd7c0$b0faa68e@ghayward> From: "George H. Hayward" <ghayward@nbnet.nb.ca> To: <TSheltown@aol.com> References: <f6.18240c1.26bb5d41@aol.com> Subject: Re: Craig Family Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 20:28:43 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Dear Tina, Dr. Daniel Turner, of Cranston, RI, compiled a 527 page book entitled "Craig" in 1977. It has been out of print for several years, and I do not know in which library you might find it. It may be in the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. If so, you might be able to go to your nearest Family History Centre and have it brought in on microfilm. The operative words here are may and might for I do not know if it is in the Fanily History Centre. In his book, Dr. Turner said Roy Ernest Craig, s/o Israel and Mary (Perkins) Craig, b. 14 Aug 1886, d. 10 Mar 1964 in Toronto, Ontario, m. 1st Ethel Hanning, d/o Percival Hanning, who d. 5 May 1920 in Gordonsville, Carleton County, N.B.; m. 2nd Myrtle Vail; m. 3rd unknown. Children of Roy and Ethel (Hanning) Craig: Tedford, m. Bertha Hoyt; Basil, m. Mildred Parks; Miles, m. Fern Mean; Earl LeRoy, m. Margaret R. Neilson; Norman, m. Muriel Hawkins. (no dates given) Miles was probably born in Carleton County, N.B., perhaps in Gordonsville. Children of Roy and Ethel (Hanning) Craig: Ronald; Evelyn; Clifford; and Leigh Craig. (no dates or spouses given. Roy died of a heart attack. After his death his third wife lived with her son Roy Craig at 456 Carleton Ave. in Toronto, Ontario. Israel Perkins Craig, s/o Stephen and Deborah (Gray) Craig, b, 16 Nov 1848, d. 25 Mar 1931 in Mount Pleasant, Carleton County, N.B., m. in 1867 Mary, d/o Joel and Adelaide (Sharp) Perkins, b. 29 Oct 1849, d. 14 May 1923. They lived in Gordonsville, Carleton Co., N.B. Children of Israel and Mary (Perkins) Craig: Ada Linda, b. 15 May 1869, m. (1) George Rickard, m. (2) Jacob Green; Harriet Adelaide, b. 1 Jul 1871, d. in Jun 1872; Annie Laura, b. 13 Oct 1873; Norman Israel, b. 18 Jul 1876, m. Effie Jones; Deborah Adelaide, b. 10 Jun 1878; Viola Etta, b. 22 Dec 1880, m. Burns Duffield; Minnie Muriel, b. 29 Jan 1887, m. Winfred Clark; Roy Ernest, b. 14 Aug 1889, m. (1) Ethel Hanning, m. (2) Myrtle Vail, m. (3) unknown. Stephen Craig, s/o Jacob and Ann (Shaw) Craig, b. 8 Jan 1821, m. 2 Jul 1840 in the Parish of Brighton, Carleton Co., N.B., Deborah, d/o William and Margaret (Sipprell) Gray. They had 14 children, one of whom was Israel Craig who m. Mary Perkins. Jacob McShaffrey Craig, s/o James and Mary (Blake) Craig, was b. 24 May 1800 in the Parish of Woodstock, Carleton Co., N.B., d. 8 Jun 1886 in Coldstream, Carleton Co., N.B., m. (1) 12 Aug 1820 in the Parish of Wakefield, Carleton Co., Ann, d/o Ammi and Hannah (Dean) Shaw, b. 3 Jul 1802 in Wakefield, d. 8 Jul 1871 in Coldstream, Jacob m. (2) 10 Jul 1872, Letitia, d/o Joseph and Mary (Ackerson) Noble, b. 22 Jul 1824 in the Parish of Brighton, d. 31 Jul 1920. Jacob McS. Craig and Ann Shaw had 10 children, the eldest of whom was Stephen Craig who m. Deborah Gray. James Craig was a Loyalist who fled to New Brunswick in 1783 at the close of the Revolutionary War. His birth date is unknown. He probably died about 1800. He married Mary, daughter of Christopher Blake. She was b. 6 May 1772 in Saint John, N.B., and died 7 May 1856 in Hartland, Carleton Co., N.B. After James died, Mary married William Orser. James and Mary (Blake) Craig has 6 children, one of whom was Jacob McShaffrey Craig who m. Ann Shaw and Letitia Noble. Try and locate the Craig book for more information. I know of no one who has more Craig information than is contained in Dr. Turner's book. George H. Hayward 29 Leeds Drive Fredericton, N.B. E3B 4S7 ghayward@nbnet.nb.ca --part1_20.9b57ef8.26bed552_boundary--

I grew up one of those fortunate children in a huge old farmhouse with my Greatgrandparents, grandparents and parents all one big extended family. The Cato side of the family has long been noted as family storytellers and kept a lot of the Craig information alive. My Greatgrandfather in Tennessee John Wesley Cato married Laura Craig and if it were not for his interest in the Craig family history, a lot of the Kentucky information/connection would have been lost to me. My Greatgrandmother, who lived up here in Missouri with us was of course, a Tennessee girl, Clara Augusta Terrill Hays McElroy. (We didn't talk about the Hayes side much, I was told that Grandpa Terrill "carried" Clara down to Nashville and got her a divorce..shhhhhhhh) Anyway.....the Hays side of the family turned out to be "poor old white trash". Jake Hayes was supposed to be "black Irish" ....whatever the heck that is. I have found out subsequently that if you are a Hays and you hailed from Ireland you came from Northern Ireland...Port Stewart to be specific. The Hays were Scots transplanted to Northern Ireland like a lot of the Craigs. Jake's family was poor..not real big on working hard and did not raise their kids the way the rest of the community thought kids should be nurtured. They had too many kids and their homestead was ill kept. Jake ...and his father...drank too much. My Grandmother, Surisa Winifred Hays McElroy (who married my Grandfather John L Cato, Sr, son of Laura Craig) spent her entire life of 83 years living down the fact that she was Jake Hayes daughter. No one else in the world knew ...or cared...but she did. She was the daughter of a wildly good looking, wild young man, who finally ran off to work for the railroad, whose family was "poor white trash". My Grandmother married into a gentile old Southern family who lost everything but their pride and manners to the Civil War. To the day she died she always believed they never thought she was "good enough" for "Buddy". He was the eldest son and everyone always deferred to him. After she died I was visiting in Tennessee with some of my cousins. If you look in the dictionary for the definition of refined, gentile, strong Southern women....their pictures will be next to the explanation....LOL!!! We had all of the genealogy books out and were swapping and investigating family stories when one of them started talking about my Grandmother, Surisa. They went on and on about how everyone always admired Surisa's ways...about how stylishly she dressed, how impeccable her manners were and how, as children, they were always severely admonished and lectured to mind their manners, only speak when spoken to, sit up straight at the table, don't run and shriek in the house, no fighting, watch your grammer....Aunt Surisa was going to be there, and "you know how nice she is, don't embarrass us in front of Aunt Surisa." I cried when I heard that story.....I know how much my Grandmother suffered all of her days under the belief she was never good enough, because her father's family was poor old white trash. ...........Judy *********************************************************** cato@primary.net ***********************************************************

We experienced the same derogatory "classifying" according to income by President Clinton's buddy James Carville when he referred to Paula Jones of the trailer park, mobile home class, as having no right to sue Clinton - or others above her station financially. Obviously, since she was poor, she was not to be believed. While he might not have used the actual words "white trash" - it's obvious that's what he and Clinton wanted everyone to believe. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: JE Mayla Blakley <mayla@lava.net> To: <CRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [CRAIG-L] Name Changing- Addendum > Hi Doug~~~As I understand it, white trash was a derogatory term used to > apply to people who were, often, poor and lived in slovenly conditions, > perhaps with a father who was an alcoholic or who failed to work or who did > disreputable, somewhat criminal things and/or perhaps > unreliable/untrustworthy things. Think people called such often had many > children who were ill-fed and ill-kempt. The term has serious racist > overtones and comes from a time when we believed certain people were > genetically inferior and deserved to be prevented from having children and > when many protestant faiths supported the idea that you could tell who was a > good, god-fearing person by how financially well off they were (god's > reward). > > anyway, maybe Rueben was a black sheep & became an alcoholic or otherwise > shamed the family. I've heard the name Huldah or something akin, although I > think it was Jewish. > > good searching, mayla@lava.net > > > ==== CRAIG Mailing List ==== > All material sent through Craig-L > is copyright 2000 by its original author > permission must be obtained from the original author > for the reuse of any text, "whole or in part". > Craig Genealogy Web Page > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9791 > > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. >

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Hi Doug~~~As I understand it, white trash was a derogatory term used to apply to people who were, often, poor and lived in slovenly conditions, perhaps with a father who was an alcoholic or who failed to work or who did disreputable, somewhat criminal things and/or perhaps unreliable/untrustworthy things. Think people called such often had many children who were ill-fed and ill-kempt. The term has serious racist overtones and comes from a time when we believed certain people were genetically inferior and deserved to be prevented from having children and when many protestant faiths supported the idea that you could tell who was a good, god-fearing person by how financially well off they were (god's reward). anyway, maybe Rueben was a black sheep & became an alcoholic or otherwise shamed the family. I've heard the name Huldah or something akin, although I think it was Jewish. good searching, mayla@lava.net

I have never heard of any Craigo in my lines. Vicki Vaughn archerev@accessus.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas E. Smith" <douglas@infinet.com> To: <CRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 11:16 PM Subject: [CRAIG-L] Name Changing > Fellow Listers: > > I would like to canvas the list here to see if anyone here > has heard of a family by the name of Craigo/Crag/Crago . In my > endeavors to search out info on my Craig roots, I have run into > these folks many times. Anyway, to make a long posting short, > here is what I have run across. I have been looking > imparticularly for a Lewis Craig. His exact age, I do not know. > I have no birth certificate, no death certificate. I only have > a copy of the probate papers that lists the items of his estate > that were sold. And some items were set aside for the widow and > children. That's how I know that he died here in Preble County, > Ohio. The County Clerk has no death certificate, only has his > name in a death book; that's all. However, I do have a copy of > my great grandfather's death certificate which gives Lewis as > being his father. And Margaret (Bulger) Craig as being his > Mother. > My Great grandfather's Name is Amos Craig. So that would make > Lewis my great-great grandfather. As best guess, I would say that > Lewis died sometime in July of 1858. The probate papers were > filed on the 31st of July 1858. In 1858 his wife Margaret was 30 > years of age. So I am speculating that Lewis was fairly close to > being 30 hisself. > > Anyway, I ran across several Lewis Craigs and followed them > only to find they were the wrong Lewis Craig for me. I had found > a Lewis Craigo, and got to doing some digging on him and some > folks doing research on the Craigo/Crago line have told me that > the Craigo's some time way back, had a dispute among some of > their family members, and some of them dropped the "O" from their > name to dis-associate themselves from the rest of the family that > they had a falling out with, and that was where the Craigs came > from. No one seems to know what the big dispute was over though. > > I hope that I have told the story here correctly. Anyway, I > thought instead of taking their word for it, that I would come > straight to the horses mouth, so to speak, and see what the folks > on the Craig List had to say about this thing with the Craigo's. > > My intent here is not to start anything, or have the two > family's quibbling over who was first and who stemmed from what > family ...... I'd just like to hear the Craig side of the story. > > I have only been digging on my Craig roots for about 2 years > now. I am not an old hand at this. I imagine only 2 years of > digging might qualify me as a rookie. I don't know everything > that there is to know, or even close to it. So, could any of you > folks here on the Craig List give me your feelings on this > Craig/Craigo/Crago name changing family feud thing ???? Have any > of you heard this story before ???? Is someone taking me on a > snipe hunt here ????? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Doug > > > ==== CRAIG Mailing List ==== > All material sent through Craig-L > is copyright 2000 by its original author > permission must be obtained from the original author > for the reuse of any text, "whole or in part". > Craig Genealogy Web Page > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9791 > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ >