The theory is good but I am not sure about it. While it is true that the Crown stacked the juries and there is some evidence of paying for court results (usually witnesses), this was not something that would likely be kept on the record books. In searching, I found a couple of places where veniery tickets were listed with wolf bounties. I ran this by a Colonialist I know and he feels that the tickets were likely either for bounty or medium of exchange. Skins, pelts, etc. were used for barter. I am prone to think that, in spite of the similarity in pronunciation to "venire," we are actually looking at something related to "venery." I have a call in to an archivist that specializes in very old records. If I hear from her before I go out of town next week I'll post her opinion. Jim "I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be." -- Douglas Adams (If you forward an email, please delete all names & addresses in the header to protect them from being added to Spam distribution lists.) ----- Original Message ----- From: KAREN THOMAS To: Jim Havron Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [COWAN-L] What is a "venirey ticket"? Apparently in Colonial days, the English Courts PAID for Jurors who were sympathetic to the English Laws....and issued Venirey Tickets to potential Jurrors who BOUGHT a place on the jury panel. Jim Havron <jimhavron@comcast.net> wrote: That's a good question. I have only seen "venirey", spelled that way, once, and that was in connection to fees paid by a court to a deputy of the court who was paid to issue warrants of venire facias (calls to serve on a jury.) Venire (the last syllable pronounced "ree.") is often a synonym, more-or-less, for a jury or jury pool. I assumed that the word was either misspelled or someone had adopted an alternate spelling. Occasionally I have found evidence that money was paid for expenses associated with sitting on a jury, which I have seen listed as venire fees. This could be the case in your Dobbins research. My grandfather says that writs of venire facias respondis (I'm not sure of the spelling) were once issued for misdemeanor offences, sort of like a summons or misdemeanor warrant is today. What record does it come from? Was the claim made to a court? "I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be." -- Douglas Adams (If you forward an email, please delete all names & addresses in the header to protect them from being added to Spam distribution lists.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "KAREN THOMAS" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: [COWAN-L] What is a "venirey ticket"? > In some Dobbins research, it states "James and Alexander Dobbin put in > claims for venirey tickets in 1769" (in Rowan County or Anson County, > North Carolina). What the heck is a venirey ticket? I tried my best to > find it on the internet....found some other researchres who also mentioned > venirey tickets (not Cowan or Dobbin researcher's though), but no one > explained what a venirey ticket was. I tried to look it up in the > Encyclopedia and Unabridged Dictionary....no luck. (For the Cowan > researchers, Dobbin/s tie into our Cowans). > > If you happen to know what this is, please let me know. Meanwhile, I'll > try to pursue it at the public Library. > > I HATE having something like that in my family history and NOT know what > it is. Plus I'm writing a book and I need to know what the heck it is. > > Much thanks in advance, > Karen Cowan Thomas > > > ==== COWAN Mailing List ==== > Messages sent to this list will be archived. Do not send copyrighted > material or anything that you do not want available for public viewing > (your name & address, for example). > >