Laura, Per the subject of the original e-mail: "More John Cowen and Skyles family connections -- N.C. Deeds"--I didn't see that e-mail--must have missed it (unless it was the one I sent out some time back). I had titled my e-mail "John Cowen finally has a wife!" I had always "assumed" that John Cowen's wife must have been a Skiles because of the middle name of "Joseph Skiles Cowan" And now, with the DNA testing done, we also can finally link our Joseph Skiles Cowen to John Cowan, one of the 4 immigrant brothers. Anyway, those notes I sent out a while back were, again, as follows: Scroll down below to Catherin Skiles COWEN who married John Cowen and died in 1778--would have made John Cowen's children ORPHANED in 1788 when he died in Rowan County, North Carolina! BSkinner had this on line all the time!!!! (Well, at least since it was edited in 1999)These Skiles definitely appear to be related to the Dobbins and Cowan's in our line! 3) Henry Skiles Sr., son of Thomas Skiles Jr. He was born in old Somerset county, Maryland in about 1699 and later moved, after his father's death in 1719 to Leacock Township in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania with his brother, William Skiles. Thomas Skiles Jr. died without a will. Henry Skiles Sr. owned 600 acres of land in Leacock Township in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Henry married first Alchey and then Catherine and he had the following children with Alchey: Capt. William Skiles (Freeman. a single man above the age of 21 years, of Leacock twp, 1758). He sold land in Hanover twp. Feb 4, 1768. Served as Capt. of militia, Lancaster Co., Rev. War; (4) Henry Skiles II, born in about 1722, and married Rosannah Dobbins and died in 1779; Peter Skiles born about 1721 married Alice and died in 1755 and then she married John Carson; Herman Skiles who died December 1798 in W. Cain. Chester Co.; sold land in Leacock Township, next to Peter Ritter. 7 July 1763 and was living in W. Cain. Chester Co. by 1774. died in 1792; Elizabeth Skiles who married Peter Ritter. son of Conrad Ritter. he died in 1778; Catherine Skiles who married John Cowen and had eight children and lived in Leacock Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, died in 1778; Ann Elizabeth Skiles who married James Dobbins in January 1748 in Lancaster County. In 1750 they removed to North Carolina and settled in the Parish of St Luke, then in Anson County, now in Rowan County. They were members of the Thyatira Presbyterian Church, where James was directing elder and she died in November 1789; James Skiles born in 1737 in Lancaster County Pensylvania; Margaret Skiles born in 1740 in Lancaster County Pennsylvania and; John Skiles who married Mary Henderson, sister of Mathew Henderson and died in spring of 1767 in Leacock Townehip, Lancaster County. Pennsylvania; Henry Skiles. Sr. died in the spring of 1750 in Leacock Township in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Did you receive this from me? I had also found the Will where Henry Skiles' Will left everything to Catherine Cowen, and I found other Skiles/Skyles documents where John Cowen was mentioned in them. I found the Skiles Will/s posted on line by doing a search in Yahoo. I still need to contact the county it was filed in and verify the document. It's on my "list of things to do!" that is a mile long. Hope this helps. Love, Karen PS: Laura, enjoy your trip to Myrtle Beach! Laura Cowan Cooper <dacooper@usit.net> wrote: No rush on the copies. Let's see what she does about them since she thought that she had sent them to me. We are going on another RV trip but it will be another short one to Myrtle Beach. You did good on the CA sale of your property. It is unreal what prices are out there and in south Florida. Make sure that you all make lots of room for storage. We have out grown our almost 4000 sq foot home. I just need to get busy and find stuff a home, but I like you since I am retired am too busy to get anything done!!! The DNA just tells us that the two lines go back to one common ancestor, but does not tell us who. The match of Joseph S. Cowan with the 4 brothers was the big deal. You have been busier than I desire to be - I need to finish weeding all of my flower beds, put plastic down, then mulch. They have become weed beds instead of flower beds. Why did you pick Arizona??? The University of Arizona is where the DNA testing is actually done. Don't over do - you will pay for it!!!! Glad that things are good for you - adventures are always nice. At 12:47 AM 6/3/2005, you wrote: PS: If you want a copy of what Florence sent to me, I will be glad to copy you on it. Let me know and I'll dig out what she has already sent to me. Laura Cowan Cooper <dacooper@usit.net> wrote: Karen, You have been quiet for a long time - did you run away??? I heard back from Florence Norback and she has sent her research to you. I am guessing that at age 87 she is placing it in hands of those that will care for it. It looks like she sent it to several people and thought that she had sent me a copy, but it was a Whoops and she did not do so. I am guessing that by now you are pouring over her years of research so what all does it have in it??? Laura PS - how are you???

Karen, A couple of thoughts on the Cowan-Skiles relationship. 1. I don't think Catherine Skiles Cowan could be the wife of John Cowan who died in NC in 1788. Catherine Skiles, daughter of Henry Skiles, Sr., was married to a Cowan at the time of her father's death in 1750. We have no way of knowing just how old Catherine was, but she could have been anywhere from 15 or 16 on the low end, to around 30 on the high end, at that time. John Cowan of NC died 38 years later, in 1788, leaving several minor children. By that time, Catherine would have been anywhere from 53 to 68. Though possible, I suppose, it just doesn't seem to fit for her to have several minor children at that age. I believe there were numerous Cowan/Skiles/Dobbins relationships. I believe that John Cowan's wife was probably a Skiles, but not Catherine. 2. And on the DNA stuff, I am certainly no expert on this, but my understanding is that the study merely shows that there is a very close relationship between Joseph Skiles Cowan and the family of John Cowan of the "4 brothers." My DNA markers line up with those of known descendents of John Cowan, as well. But this doesn't prove that my William Cowan was a son of the immigrant John Cowan. It does, however, place him within the "4 brothers" group. My William--from the DNA study alone--could just as easily be a son of immigrant David Cowan and my DNA markers still line up with those of the John Cowan descendants. So, the DNA study doesn't pin your Joseph Skiles Cowan to the John Cowan line, but does show a close relationship. My theory is that John Cowan (d. 1788), father of Joseph Skiles Cowan, was a son of the immigrant David Cowan. Anyway, I am certainly enjoying the ongoing dialogue about these early "4 brothers" Cowan relationships! Terry Cowan -----Original Message----- From: KAREN THOMAS [mailto:karen95035@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:32 AM To: COWAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COWAN-L] More John Cowen and Skyles family connections -- N. C. Deeds Laura, Per the subject of the original e-mail: "More John Cowen and Skyles family connections -- N.C. Deeds"--I didn't see that e-mail--must have missed it (unless it was the one I sent out some time back). I had titled my e-mail "John Cowen finally has a wife!" I had always "assumed" that John Cowen's wife must have been a Skiles because of the middle name of "Joseph Skiles Cowan" And now, with the DNA testing done, we also can finally link our Joseph Skiles Cowen to John Cowan, one of the 4 immigrant brothers. Anyway, those notes I sent out a while back were, again, as follows: Scroll down below to Catherin Skiles COWEN who married John Cowen and died in 1778--would have made John Cowen's children ORPHANED in 1788 when he died in Rowan County, North Carolina! BSkinner had this on line all the time!!!! (Well, at least since it was edited in 1999)These Skiles definitely appear to be related to the Dobbins and Cowan's in our line! 3) Henry Skiles Sr., son of Thomas Skiles Jr. He was born in old Somerset county, Maryland in about 1699 and later moved, after his father's death in 1719 to Leacock Township in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania with his brother, William Skiles. Thomas Skiles Jr. died without a will. Henry Skiles Sr. owned 600 acres of land in Leacock Township in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Henry married first Alchey and then Catherine and he had the following children with Alchey: Capt. William Skiles (Freeman. a single man above the age of 21 years, of Leacock twp, 1758). He sold land in Hanover twp. Feb 4, 1768. Served as Capt. of militia, Lancaster Co., Rev. War; (4) Henry Skiles II, born in about 1722, and married Rosannah Dobbins and died in 1779; Peter Skiles born about 1721 married Alice and died in 1755 and then she married John Carson; Herman Skiles who died December 1798 in W. Cain. Chester Co.; sold land in Leacock Township, next to Peter Ritter. 7 July 1763 and was living in W. Cain. Chester Co. by 1774. died in 1792; Elizabeth Skiles who married Peter Ritter. son of Conrad Ritter. he died in 1778; Catherine Skiles who married John Cowen and had eight children and lived in Leacock Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, died in 1778; Ann Elizabeth Skiles who married James Dobbins in January 1748 in Lancaster County. In 1750 they removed to North Carolina and settled in the Parish of St Luke, then in Anson County, now in Rowan County. They were members of the Thyatira Presbyterian Church, where James was directing elder and she died in November 1789; James Skiles born in 1737 in Lancaster County Pensylvania; Margaret Skiles born in 1740 in Lancaster County Pennsylvania and; John Skiles who married Mary Henderson, sister of Mathew Henderson and died in spring of 1767 in Leacock Townehip, Lancaster County. Pennsylvania; Henry Skiles. Sr. died in the spring of 1750 in Leacock Township in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Did you receive this from me? I had also found the Will where Henry Skiles' Will left everything to Catherine Cowen, and I found other Skiles/Skyles documents where John Cowen was mentioned in them. I found the Skiles Will/s posted on line by doing a search in Yahoo. I still need to contact the county it was filed in and verify the document. It's on my "list of things to do!" that is a mile long. Hope this helps. Love, Karen PS: Laura, enjoy your trip to Myrtle Beach! Laura Cowan Cooper <dacooper@usit.net> wrote: No rush on the copies. Let's see what she does about them since she thought that she had sent them to me. We are going on another RV trip but it will be another short one to Myrtle Beach. You did good on the CA sale of your property. It is unreal what prices are out there and in south Florida. Make sure that you all make lots of room for storage. We have out grown our almost 4000 sq foot home. I just need to get busy and find stuff a home, but I like you since I am retired am too busy to get anything done!!! The DNA just tells us that the two lines go back to one common ancestor, but does not tell us who. The match of Joseph S. Cowan with the 4 brothers was the big deal. You have been busier than I desire to be - I need to finish weeding all of my flower beds, put plastic down, then mulch. They have become weed beds instead of flower beds. Why did you pick Arizona??? The University of Arizona is where the DNA testing is actually done. Don't over do - you will pay for it!!!! Glad that things are good for you - adventures are always nice. At 12:47 AM 6/3/2005, you wrote: PS: If you want a copy of what Florence sent to me, I will be glad to copy you on it. Let me know and I'll dig out what she has already sent to me. Laura Cowan Cooper <dacooper@usit.net> wrote: Karen, You have been quiet for a long time - did you run away??? I heard back from Florence Norback and she has sent her research to you. I am guessing that at age 87 she is placing it in hands of those that will care for it. It looks like she sent it to several people and thought that she had sent me a copy, but it was a Whoops and she did not do so. I am guessing that by now you are pouring over her years of research so what all does it have in it??? Laura PS - how are you??? ==== COWAN Mailing List ==== Messages sent to this list will be archived. 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