Does anyone know the most likely port of entry into Canada for the 1840s??? I am stymied trying to figure this one out! I know my James CONNELLY had a child in Canada about 1846, but no idea of where! Thanks, Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Campbell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [COUNTYCORK] Courtmacsherry - Harley (Hurley) Hello Heather, Your ancester probably came through my home town of Saint John. It is difficult to trace ones Irish ancestry because most genealogical records for the 98% of Roman Catholic families in Ireland only go back to the early 1800s. The first Roman Catholic records were begun during the time leading up to the Catholic Emancipation Act of 1820. It is rarely that one can trace a Roman Catholic family back through the years before 1800. It is because there were no government, religious, or other authority that maintained any records of the total Roman Catholic population of Ireland. The civil registration of births and deaths in Ireland only started in 1864. There are a few census substitutes however that may be of help to some families. The Mallow Heritage Centre is the only research centre for County Cork offering a service. Their computer records cover only the R.C. Diocese of Cloyne, i.e. 46 parishes out of a total of about 120 parishes in Co. Cork. They record baptisms and marriages. There is a "Cork Ancestral Project." It is digitizing the parish records for the Diocese of Cork, which includes Cork City. It will not be offering a research service until it is completed. Check the http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor web site for the distribution of the Harley name in various locations in Ireland. It can be a problem to trace some of the common family names in Counties Cork and Kerry such as McCARTHY, O'DONOVAN, O'SULLIVAN and others. Those surnames often have secondary names called tags, or nicknames attached to them. They identified specific family groupings. They were useful, when many families with the same surname lived in a small area or within a single parish. Some of the following information is on various web sites. www.censusfinder.com/ireland.htm has 62 links to Cork & County Cork census, directories, valuations and records. www.failteromhat.com www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/census_returns.htrm and www.sci.net.au/userpages/mgrogan/cork/ire.cork.htm also have some of the information 1901 census returns of Ireland Location: Public Record Office, Dublin 1864 to date Civil records of birth, marriage and death Location: Office of the Registrar General, Customs House, Dublin 1848/49 The William Smith O'Brien Petition is a census substitute of over 80,000 names and places. This is available on Irish Origins at http://www.irishorigins.com 1802 to date Roman Catholic Church registers Data: Baptism Child's name; parent's and sponsor's names; mother's maiden name; address;& date Wedding: names of bride, groom & witnesses & date Location: Parish Church Pre 1880 Church registers records of baptism and marriage on microfilm Location; National Library, Dublin Parish Register Extracts by Grove White (Mainly for Co. Cork) Location: Public Records Office, Dublin 1848-64 Primary Valuation of Tenements by Sir Richard Griffith Data: occupant's names, address, acreage & value Locations: Dublin Genealogical Office; Public Records Office & National Library of Ireland 1846 Directory of Ireland by Slater Names residents of small towns Location; National Library of Ireland 1823-37 Tithe Composition Applotment Book Data: Names of tenants with land by parish except townlands and cities. Gives location, acreage, valuation & tithe. County Index for Cork Data Surnames & locations Location: Public Records Office Dublin 1787 Cork & Southern Towns Directory Location: National Library of Ireland, Dublin 1766 Religious Census for Cork Diocese by Tennison Groves Location: Public Records Office Dublin 1761 Militia Lists - County Cork M608 Location: Genealogical Office Dublin 1739-32 Land Index Volumes for County Cork Vol.s # 5,8,9,12,26 &100 Location: Registry of Deeds Dublin 1708-87 Irish Manuscripts Commission, Abstracts of Wills ed. by P.B. Eustace Location: Registry of Deeds, Dublin 1663 Hearth Money Rolls Data: Names, number of hearths & amount of tax. Listed by county; barony; parish; & townland 1660-1661? A "Census of Ireland" of uncertain origin was discovered by W.H. Hardinge in 1864. Data: by county, barony, parish, and townland. Each townland lists the number of people (usually divided into "English, Scots" and "Irish") and the names of "Tituladoes" (principal people of standing). For each barony the principal Irish surnames are listed and the number of times each appeared in the returns. An appendix concerns the Poll-Money Ordinances of 1660 and 1661 including lists of appointed commissioners. 1659 Pender's Census was compiled by Sir William Petty. and edited by Seamus Pender. He was also responsible for the Civil Survey. Data: names of people with title to land ( tituladoes ), the total numbers of English and Irish living in each townland, and the principal Irish names in each barony. Five counties not included are Cavan, Galway, Mayo, Tyrone and Wicklow. 1659 Kyle J. Betit is co-editor of "A Census of Ireland, Circa 1659, With Supplementary Material from the Poll Money Ordinances (1660-1661) edited by Séamus Pender". 1654-56 Down Survey - Civil Survey of 1654-56 Data: Ownership changes of 17th century land settlement Location: Quit Rent Office & Public Records Office Dublin 1623-45 Marriage License Bonds Index to Cork & Ross 1548-1856 Pre 1858 Wills of Diocesan Consistorial Court Wills for the less well off. Location: Under the local bishop. 1548-1857 Index to Diocesan Wills for Cork & Ross Location: Public records office Dublin A Guide to Copies of Irish Wills by Wallace Clare Location: Irish Libraries Journal for the Association of the Memorials of the Dead Location: Genealogical Office. Ireland Topographical Divisions It is a great help in Irish genealogical research if one is familiar with the topographical divisions if Ireland. Townland. A townland is an old Irish land unit that has been in existence since the early 1100s. A townland is now the smallest administrative land unit in Ireland. All larger administrative units are made up of multiples of them. There are 64,462 in Ireland of which 5,429 are in County Cork. Size is based on the quality of the land. The richer the land the smaller is the townland. Townland has the same meaning as "bally" or "bailie" in Irish and means "settlement" or "the place where you live". Their names were derived from some prominent man made or natural feature in the area. That is how communities in each area identified themselves. Generally their boundaries follow some physical features of the landscape. A major hurdle for anyone to overcome to finding information about their Irish ancestors is finding the townland where they lived. A good start is the web site www.seanruad.com. Civil Parish. A division of the state for census & valuation purposes. There are 2447. Eccleastical Parish before 1802. The unit of local church administration. Barony Division based on old Gaelic & family holdings. There are about 325. Poor Law Union. A division of the country wherein the taxpayers were financially responsible for the poor. They comprised multiples of townlands within an average of 10 miles. Provinces 4 Counties 32 Diocese. Three ecclesiastical synods in the 12th century established a diocesan structure of four provinces. They were Armagh, Cashel, Dublin, and Tuam, each headed by an Archbishop. Under them are now 26 bishops, each in charge of a diocese. The boundaries of the diocese have remained constant and are used by both the Roman Catholic and Anglican churches. In 1834, the four provinces were reduced to two: Armagh and Dublin. Genealogical Advice for the Novice TRACING YOUR IRISH ANCESTORS (3rd edition; 526 pages) by John Grenham ISBN 080631768X http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/ Getting Started in Genealogy and Family History http://www.genealogy.com/genealogy/4_pocket.html Finding Your Ancestors in Ireland http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/lesson21.htm Rootsweb Guide to Tracing Irish Families http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/ Tracing Your Irish Ancestors http://www.ancestry.com/download/forms.htm Good Hunting David Campbell Heather Hess <[email protected]> wrote: Hi - My gt. gt. gt. grandfather was William Harley. He came to Nashwaak area, N.B. Canada sometime in the 1820's. His brother John Harley was a shipbuilder - he either came at the same time as William or soon after and settled in N.B as well. William sent a letter to his sister Mary Ann Harley - he had a wife for her in N.B. She came to Canada on a ship - the voyage took 5 weeks. When she got here William accompanied her to her new home in Newcastle, N.B. They walked through the woods for a day or two to get there. Mary Ann Harley married John Henry and had umpteen gt. grandchildren and a couple of gt. gt. grandchildren. Is anyone connected to the Harleys? William was a land surveyor and John was a ship builder. Apparently their dad (William Harley) was a school teacher. Thanks! Heather Tom Keyes wrote: Hello, When me gg grandfather's family left the great hungar-there were six dead children never to see adult hood. Sl�n, Tom Keyes Wisconsin US ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Linares" To: Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [COUNTYCORK] famine > Hello Kevin! > > I sure don't think the Irish were to blame for the > famine. Our ancestors in Ireland were farmers for > years. They had a lot of experience and surely knew > how to farm the land. I understand that County Mayo > was one of the hardest hit and many of them came here > to Cleveland, Ohio in the 1840's. It must have been > sad to leave their homes to come to a strange land, > some never to see their families in Ireland again. > Thank you for your post. > > Sharon > > --- kevin mccormack wrote: > >> >> I have read some strange posts in my time. >> >> Everyone has a different interpretation on history. >> Of course farmers exported their goods to England >> .... they wanted their price. I think what some >> people may find unforgivable was the lack of >> response from the authorities. As for being reliant >> on the potato..... it was the staple diet..... a >> grown man could of eaten between 6- 10 lbs of >> potatoes a day.If the crop failed how were they >> supposed to buy other foods? The famine didn't >> affect the East coast or the North as >> much.........don't you think this was related to the >> standard of the land? Was it coincidence it was the >> West and South West that was hardest hit? >> Are you saying it was Irish people's fault >> for the famine? Regards,Kevin. Co Cork, Ireland >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> Find the home of your dreams with eircom net >> property >> Sign up for email alerts now >> http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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