Just a note for anyone planning to try and use the 1930 Census due for release in April. Though there is no soundex for this Census there is a group working on a Street index system for the largest US Cities not already indexed on Microfilm. The index is keyed to the ED's so if you have an address, say from the 1920 Census, you can get to the ED and Microfilm roll number you need quickly. I think they have been working on this index system for over a year now and have completed many large cities. They also have an online search system set up so you can search for the right Microfilm roll number(s) and print them out before heading out to the NARA to use the Census. Certainly not a good as a Soundex for names, but still a great help in searching this Census if your looking in the larger cities. I think their plans include indexing more and more of the larger cities as they go along. Here is a link to their user group on Yahoo http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ITWIT_Census1930/ Good Luck, Dan King NH CountyCork-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > CountyCork-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 83 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [Cork] New Hint added on 1930 US C [mpetzolt2@webtv.net (Maura)] > #2 Re: [Cork] Shifting of Cork/Kerry [dcasey@acsu.buffalo.edu] > > Administrivia: > > Messages to the list should be sent to > CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe from the digest send the word unsubscribe in the body of an email with no other text (leave subject line blank and turn off signature line) to CountyCork-D-request@rootsweb.com > > CountyCork Mailing List homepage (for list guidelines and how to subscribe/unsubscribe) http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/countycork > > To contact the listowner send a message to mpetzolt2@webtv.net > > > ______________________________ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [Cork] New Hint added on 1930 US Census > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:37:25 -0600 (CST) > From: mpetzolt2@webtv.net (Maura) > To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > > I have recently added a new Hint to my Helpful Hints for Successful > Searching page dealing with the 1930 US census. This census is about to > be released to NARA branches (LDS should have it soon), and will be a > challenge to search as there is not a soundex for all states (only > some), and there are no book indexes. The hint deals with the > challenges of this census. > The url of the Hints page is > http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints > > Since this is an Irish genealogy list, please do not have lengthy > discussions on here about this census, as many international subscribers > may not be interested. If you need specific help, join a list for that > state or city, and ask your questions there for assistance. > > Happy Searching, > Maura > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage > http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS > > Helpful Hints for Successful Searching > http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints > > ______________________________ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [Cork] Shifting of Cork/Kerry county borders > Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 06:27:30 -0500 > From: dcasey@acsu.buffalo.edu > To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > > there was indeed an area of Co. Kerry in the old days, that was totally > within the borders of Co. Cork, near its west border. It is today part of > Co. Cork. My great grandfather came from there. information below. map > can be found in O'Kief series by Albert Casey: > **************** > > Called the East Fractions of Kerry. Maps are found in the O'Kief Series > as follows: Foldout Co. Cork, and Kerry, 1750 maps in front of The Ancient > and Present State of the County and City of Cork, by C. Smith, reprinted in > V. 10 of the O'Kief Series; also, map of 1641 after p. 520, V. 1, O'Kief > series. > From The Ancient and Present State of the County and City of Cork, by C. > Smith, reprinted in V. 10 of the O'Kief Series, p. 294, "A considerable > tract of the County of Kerry, called the East Fractions, is in the center > of this parish" (par. of Cullen). > From p.26, The Ancient and Present State of the County of Kerry, by. C. > smith, M.D., (1756), reprinted in the O'Kief Series by Dr. Albert Casey, V. > 10, the following: "A considerable part of Kerry, was formerly a distinct > county in itself, called Desmond; it consisted of that part of Kerry which > lies south of the river Mang, with the Barony of Bear and Bantry in the > county of Cork; and was a palatinate under the jurisdiction of the earls of > Desmond. It is true, the ancient country of Desmond or south Munster, > extended much further, as appears by the grant of K. Henry II, to Robert > Fitz-Stephen and Milo de Cogan, cited at large in my History of Cork(e). > Its limits were from the hill of St. Brandon above mentioned, to the river > Blackwater near Lymore (sp? Lijmore?), and comprehended the county of Cork, > as well as Kerry. > > The information in this footnote come from the valuable, but rare, book > Gleanings from Irish History by William F. T. Butler, published 1925 by > Longmans Green & Co. The information from this book is courtesy of Pat > Dineen, 25Mar1997. From Gleanings From Irish History: > From Gleanings, Footnote 14, p. 54, "To the 'East Fractions' belonged the > townlands of Ballydaly and Coolecarragh, now in Muskerry, Co. Cork, and > Devilish, Lemenagh, Dooneasleane, Illanbrack, and Baughallmore, now in > Duhallow, as well as the Kerry portion of Noghaval Daly." Pat Dineen says > the preceeding townlands are probably now (1997) known as Islandav, > Loumanagh, Doonasleen, Illanbrak, and Ruhill(more). > From p. 63, "Also in Magunihy, and in that part known as the East > Fractions, was seated a branch of the great bardic family of O'Daly. This > family, said to be originally from Westmeath, were hereditary poets to > MacCarthy Mor, MacCarthy Reagh, the Earls of Desmond, and O'Brien of > Thomond. In each of the terretories of these lords they had lands assigned > to them, free of all, or nearly all, charges. They held the Kerry portion > of the parish, called from them Noghaval Daly, as well as Ballydaly and > Coolcarragh which were counted, up until recent times, as part of County > Kerry, though surrounded on three sides by Muskerry and Duhallow." > > From p.78, footnote 1, "Herbert. A portion of Duhallow was counted as part > of the 'East Fractions' of Kerry down to the nineteenth century. I take > this to have been originally MacCarthy Mor's demesne" > From p.78: "4. Of Duhallow. In the foregoing pages I have dealt with > twelve of fourteen 'countries' which, according to Herbert, were subject to > MacCarthy Mor. There still remain two other territories, those of Duhallow > and Muskerry, corresponding pretty closely with the present County Cork > Baronies so named. In these terretories we find a somewhat different state > of affairs from that existing in Desmond proper. In each the subject clans > did not pay allegiance direct to the overlord; they were subject to the > immediate rule of a chief of the race of Clan Carthy, who in turn was > subject to Mac Carthy Mor. In each, also, Mac Carthy Mor's rights were > small. Besides "rising out" and the giving of the rod, he had the > 'finding' of 27 gallowglasses in Duhallow, and of 30 in Muskerry." > > Note from letter from Pat Dineen of 16Apr'97: "As per an old friend in > Ruhill, Dan Sean O'Keefe, the eastern fractions of Kerry seem to have ended > by the Griffith Valuations (1852). My friend mad an interesting point, in > that quite a few of the main families of the locality of the Eastern > Fractions had originally come from Kerry. This adds to your Forde family > tradition. > ******************************* > > --On Thursday, March 28, 2002, 12:17 PM +0000 PeteScherm@aol.com wrote: > > > To any who are interested: > > > > I have seen a few postings on this subject, and I have no idea where the > > idea originated. There were some country border changes up in Connacht > > in 1898 (and one in 1840, that I know of) and Waterford lost some land - > > which it's now trying to get back - also, in 1898. But I have > > absolutely no information of county border changes between Cork and > > Kerry since the early 1200's, when they were both shired (and the names > > were changed to "counties" later, but with no boundary changes). I'm > > sure that much of this speculation comes from PLU's and Registration > > Districts, which were centered around major towns and occasionally > > extended beyond county borders - thus confusing the > > genealogist.....again. Also, emigrants who left from Queenstown/Cobh, > > Co. Cork, were often listed as 'coming' from there, whereas, in fact, > > that was only their port of departure. > > > > But.......if anyone has any definitive information on border changes > > between Co. Cork and Co. Kerry within, say, the last 700 years.....I'd > > appreciate hearing about it, so that I can add the information to my > > maps/files. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western > > Massachusetts > > > > > > ==== CountyCork Mailing List ==== > > ** Visit the IrelandGenWeb at http://www.irelandgenweb.com ** > > > >