Pat, You're more than welcome - glad to be of some help. It takes a living male of the line in question to be tested for Y-DNA. Other than digging up someone, there is no way around it to the best of my knowledge. I know that this can be frustrating as several of my group members have emailed me about having a "garden party" some midnight to obtain a sample of one of our lines that died out years ago - all in good humor, of course, unless you read about us being caught...lol ;-) Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat lewis" <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: [CO CORK] DNA testing > Cliff Johnson > > Thank you for the advice and explaination of the testing of DNA and > the markers. If one could afford to have it done in the first place, I > guess the 67 marker might be worthwhile. > However, my husband was cremated -finding he ashes floating in the > ocean for the last 10 years, might be a tad bit hard to find to get a > match for his to a family member, as to other make relatives , such as > Father, he is National cemetery, in Farmingdale/Huntington LI, NY. The > cost if getting a sample might be even harder, with cost of getting to > the body that has been thee for 40 + years and might just upset the > government as to why I wanted to dis-inter. Grandfather has been in > Calvery since 1926, over 80 years and besides the cost of paying back > cemetery costs of keeping the grave-site neat for a grave, I do not > own, could also be a tad bit expensive, and as to a great- > grandfather, he is buried somewhere in the London area of England since > 1905. All of these things would have to be taken into consideration, Or > is there an easier way to get the DNA????? > Plus the fact that I have no idea if any other people with the same > name are in the DNA testing program. Nor do I have any idea of where in > Ireland my great grandparents were born or lived until they moved to > England in the 1850's. > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Previous messages led me to believe Pat was the mother of the two sons, not the father? If so, her sons do not carry her father's y-dna. They carry the y-dna of her father-in-law. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> > To: <countycork@rootsweb.com>; <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:17 AM > Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question > > >> Pat, >> >> Both sons carry your father's Y-DNA;

I might add that while I have been very fortunate in finding Y-DNA matches for myself, our daughter's son matches no one, even at 12 markers. - a real wild card... Also, exceptions can always be made/found for what I've written below, but for most everyone the 67-markers test is the test to go with. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com>; <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question > Pat, > > Both sons carry your father's Y-DNA; accordingly, unless the male line > has > been interupted, they will also have the same Y-DNA as your great > grandfather. Unfortunately there is no way to connect back to your great > grandfather other than a paper trail. Y-DNA testing will only show > relationships between people who have been tested for their Y-DNA. One > could get a Y-DNA sample of one's great grandfather if one knew where he > was > buried, but most people do not go this route unless the circumstances are > extra-ordinary. Of course this means that Y-DNA can and is being used by > 10's of thousands of people to find what I refer to as "Y-DNA Cousins". > Now > here is where the science meets statistics meets art. How close 2 or more > Y-DNA Cousins are to each other when they have no known paper trail is a > wee > bit of a SWAG. > > For most people considering taking the Y-DNA test let me recommend > strongly > the 67-markers test. Why? Experience with my Johnstons in Poldean group > has taught me that. Let's take a look at the various tests and what we > can > learn from them. > > 12-markers test: the most basic test being marketed; used by National > Geographic in their human genome project in an attempt to explain the > migration of mankind from his inception to today. If one is lucky, one > will > find out which major haplogroup one belongs to and little else - many do > not > though. > > 25-markers test: a waste of time and money, in my opinion. It adds > little > that is really useful to the 12-markers test. > > 37-markers test: this test helps in defining close relationships within > the > past few hundred years. For example, in our Johnstons in Poldean group > we've been able to help 2 pairs of Cousins to get together and > cooperatively > work in finding their Most Recent Common Ancestor. Both pairs had a > difference of only 1 mutation, but their MRCAs were from different > generations, ie: one pair found their MRCA in the 1750's while the other > pair found their MRCA in the 1850's. On the other hand one of our Cousins > had 2 of his grandsons tested. Each differed by 1 mutation from his > results, and each was at a different locus (marker). All of this > illustrates the well-known fact that mutations occur randomly. We never > know when they will happen or where. > > 67-markers test: in most cases, other than when 2 or more Cousins are > known > to be from the same family line, this is the test that should be taken. > The > loci, or markers, #38-67 are most useful in determining direct family > lines. > For a year or so in our Johnstons in Poldean group we relied primarily on > the 37-markers tests, but when a handful of Cousins had their tests > upgraded > to 67 markers it became evident that the upgrade was invaluable as it > indicated a close relationship between 2 Cousins who thought that they > were > from different family lines, and 2 other Cousins who thought they were > from > the same family line turned out to be from totally different lines. Now > that we've had 33 of our Cousins upgrade to 67-markers we are "true > believers" in getting the 67-markers test done first. > > I hope that this helps you a wee bit :-) > > Good hunting, > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pat lewis" <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> > To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:41 PM > Subject: [CO CORK] DNA question > > >>I have no living male members except my sons, Father died in 1966 , >> brother in 1987........... Could either son have the DNA test and what >> would it show, how could I make any connection to great grandfather who >> died 1905 or any living relative that I know nothing about? >> Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ >> It is a good place to find information related to your family research. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, Both sons carry your father's Y-DNA; accordingly, unless the male line has been interupted, they will also have the same Y-DNA as your great grandfather. Unfortunately there is no way to connect back to your great grandfather other than a paper trail. Y-DNA testing will only show relationships between people who have been tested for their Y-DNA. One could get a Y-DNA sample of one's great grandfather if one knew where he was buried, but most people do not go this route unless the circumstances are extra-ordinary. Of course this means that Y-DNA can and is being used by 10's of thousands of people to find what I refer to as "Y-DNA Cousins". Now here is where the science meets statistics meets art. How close 2 or more Y-DNA Cousins are to each other when they have no known paper trail is a wee bit of a SWAG. For most people considering taking the Y-DNA test let me recommend strongly the 67-markers test. Why? Experience with my Johnstons in Poldean group has taught me that. Let's take a look at the various tests and what we can learn from them. 12-markers test: the most basic test being marketed; used by National Geographic in their human genome project in an attempt to explain the migration of mankind from his inception to today. If one is lucky, one will find out which major haplogroup one belongs to and little else - many do not though. 25-markers test: a waste of time and money, in my opinion. It adds little that is really useful to the 12-markers test. 37-markers test: this test helps in defining close relationships within the past few hundred years. For example, in our Johnstons in Poldean group we've been able to help 2 pairs of Cousins to get together and cooperatively work in finding their Most Recent Common Ancestor. Both pairs had a difference of only 1 mutation, but their MRCAs were from different generations, ie: one pair found their MRCA in the 1750's while the other pair found their MRCA in the 1850's. On the other hand one of our Cousins had 2 of his grandsons tested. Each differed by 1 mutation from his results, and each was at a different locus (marker). All of this illustrates the well-known fact that mutations occur randomly. We never know when they will happen or where. 67-markers test: in most cases, other than when 2 or more Cousins are known to be from the same family line, this is the test that should be taken. The loci, or markers, #38-67 are most useful in determining direct family lines. For a year or so in our Johnstons in Poldean group we relied primarily on the 37-markers tests, but when a handful of Cousins had their tests upgraded to 67 markers it became evident that the upgrade was invaluable as it indicated a close relationship between 2 Cousins who thought that they were from different family lines, and 2 other Cousins who thought they were from the same family line turned out to be from totally different lines. Now that we've had 33 of our Cousins upgrade to 67-markers we are "true believers" in getting the 67-markers test done first. I hope that this helps you a wee bit :-) Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat lewis" <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: [CO CORK] DNA question >I have no living male members except my sons, Father died in 1966 , > brother in 1987........... Could either son have the DNA test and what > would it show, how could I make any connection to great grandfather who > died 1905 or any living relative that I know nothing about? > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tnx Cliff: Excellent advice on the DNA testing. Have to admit ignorance on my own Daly/O'Dalaigh from Cork Y-DNA status, but our Reddick/R320 experience supports your County Cork advice. Richard Daly Reddick ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:17:42 -0500 From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question To: <countycork@rootsweb.com>, <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <007001ca2597$32c6a8d0$0202a8c0@Annandale> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Pat, Both sons carry your father's Y-DNA; accordingly, unless the male line has been interupted, they will also have the same Y-DNA as your great grandfather. Unfortunately there is no way to connect back to your great grandfather other than a paper trail. Y-DNA testing will only show relationships between people who have been tested for their Y-DNA. One could get a Y-DNA sample of one's great grandfather if one knew where he was buried, but most people do not go this route unless the circumstances are extra-ordinary. Of course this means that Y-DNA can and is being used by 10's of thousands of people to find what I refer to as "Y-DNA Cousins". Now here is where the science meets statistics meets art. How close 2 or more Y-DNA Cousins are to each other when they have no known paper trail is a wee bit of a SWAG. For most people considering taking the Y-DNA test let me recommend strongly the 67-markers test. Why? Experience with my Johnstons in Poldean group has taught me that. Let's take a look at the various tests and what we can learn from them. 12-markers test: the most basic test being marketed; used by National Geographic in their human genome project in an attempt to explain the migration of mankind from his inception to today. If one is lucky, one will find out which major haplogroup one belongs to and little else - many do not though. 25-markers test: a waste of time and money, in my opinion. It adds little that is really useful to the 12-markers test. 37-markers test: this test helps in defining close relationships within the past few hundred years. For example, in our Johnstons in Poldean group we've been able to help 2 pairs of Cousins to get together and cooperatively work in finding their Most Recent Common Ancestor. Both pairs had a difference of only 1 mutation, but their MRCAs were from different generations, ie: one pair found their MRCA in the 1750's while the other pair found their MRCA in the 1850's. On the other hand one of our Cousins had 2 of his grandsons tested. Each differed by 1 mutation from his results, and each was at a different locus (marker). All of this illustrates the well-known fact that mutations occur randomly. We never know when they will happen or where. 67-markers test: in most cases, other than when 2 or more Cousins are known to be from the same family line, this is the test that should be taken. The loci, or markers, #38-67 are most useful in determining direct family lines. For a year or so in our Johnstons in Poldean group we relied primarily on the 37-markers tests, but when a handful of Cousins had their tests upgraded to 67 markers it became evident that the upgrade was invaluable as it indicated a close relationship between 2 Cousins who thought that they were from different family lines, and 2 other Cousins who thought they were from the same family line turned out to be from totally different lines. Now that we've had 33 of our Cousins upgrade to 67-markers we are "true believers" in getting the 67-markers test done first. I hope that this helps you a wee bit :-) Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat lewis" <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: [CO CORK] DNA question >I have no living male members except my sons, Father died in 1966, brother in 1987........... Could either son have the DNA test and what would it show, how could I make any connection to great grandfather who died 1905 or any living relative that I know nothing about? > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > > Today's Topics: > >   1. Re: COUNTYCORK Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 (Janet) >   2. Re: FAMILY TREE DNA (Phyllis Pawloski) >   3. Re: DNA question (Cliff. Johnston) >   4. Re: DNA question (Cliff. Johnston) >   5. Re: DNA question (Cliff. Johnston) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:56:04 -0400 > From: "Janet" <carlw@gwi.net> > Subject: Re: [CO  CORK] COUNTYCORK Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 > To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <60222803FA4D44709C8EF06AF35FE027@janetPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >        reply-type=original > > Sorry to be so slow in returning your email.  My g grandmother was Hannah Mahoney.  She m Edmond McCarthy in Lynn MA 9 Sep 1877.  She was b Ireland 1849 according to her death record.  She d Lynn 30 Aug 1895.  She was previously m to Eugene Mahoney and I know nothing about him.  She had 2 children with him:  Margaret b 1872 and Eugene b 1873.  I think they were brought up as McCarthys.  Hannah's father was Timothy Mahoney and mother was Ellen.  I know nothing more about them and hope to find their parents. > Janet McCarthy Weymouth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JE301@aol.com> > To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: [CO CORK] COUNTYCORK Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 > >> Jan, I am looking for people who have or would like to share Mahoney/Mahonys. My maiden name was Mahoney and I live in NY. what are your  Mahoneys? Mine went to Ontario in aobut 1840--cornelius, his wife, Frances Regan  and their children--John, Jeremiah, Florance--male-- Mary and Susanna. Any connection? and I believe they were from Kilmoe Parish in southern  Cork >> Jean Mahoney Eustis >> >> >> In a message dated 8/17/2009 7:23:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> carlw@gwi.net writes: >> >>...but it  may well be the same name.  I have mahoneys and they go back to O'Mahoney.  My Weymouths are listed as Waymouth/Wamoth/etc.  It  may well lead to a solution rather than a complication.  jan mccarthy  weymouth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Randy"  <ranny9@cox.net> >> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday,  August 17, 2009 6:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [CO CORK] COUNTYCORK Digest, Vol 4,  Issue 99 >> From: "Priscilla Haines"  <phaines@digis.net> >>> Date: August 16, 2009 9:20:21 PM  EDT >>> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re:  [CO CORK] Anyone researching O'Guinidhe: O'Guin/O'Gwin/O'Gwyn? >>>> >>>> >>>> My son-in-law is  Guinn.  Same name???  priscilla >>> >>> I don't think so.  I'm trying to avoid all the Guinn/Guins as that will just complicate  things more. >>> >>> Randy O'Guin, USA >>>>>  ------------------------------- >> >> Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ >> It is a good place to find information  related to your family research. >> ------------------------------- >>------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:10:07 -0400 > From: "Phyllis Pawloski" <pppawloski1@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [CO  CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA > To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <COL123-DS119706A845917447467ACCE0F80@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1" > > At my request, my cousin submitted his DNA for the Crowley Clan DNA project.  This project has produced considerable success.  I recommend it. > Phyllis P >  ----- Original Message ----- >  From: JE301@aol.com<mailto:JE301@aol.com> >  To: countycork@rootsweb.com<mailto:countycork@rootsweb.com> >  Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:43 PM >  Subject: Re: [CO CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA > >  Monica, I did my Mahoney DNA quite a while ago and did get 6 or 8  matches. >   Have you found it online and  checked the list? > Jean M.Eustis > >

There is an interesting article on Dick Eastman's online gen. newletter, this week, regarding fabrication of DNA evidence It might interest those people who have written in on this subject, Lorraine www.radleysofcork.bigpondhosting.com

At my request, my cousin submitted his DNA for the Crowley Clan DNA project. This project has produced considerable success. I recommend it. Phyllis P ----- Original Message ----- From: JE301@aol.com<mailto:JE301@aol.com> To: countycork@rootsweb.com<mailto:countycork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA Monica, I did my Mahoney DNA quite a while ago and did get 6 or 8 matches. Have you foudn ir on line and checked the list? Jean M.Eustis In a message dated 8/24/2009 1:37:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, KENTUCKYSHAMROCK@aol.com<mailto:KENTUCKYSHAMROCK@aol.com> writes: Has anyone submitted their a male DNA sample to FAMILY TREE DNA? If so was it of any help? My immediate family has submitted DNA for Connor/Conroy and McCarthy lines. Would be interested in anybody's experience. Regards, Monica McCarthy **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=htt<http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=htt> p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/> It is a good place to find information related to your family research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry to be so slow in returning your email. My g grandmother was Hannah Mahoney. She m Edmond McCarthy in Lynn MA 9 Sep 1877. She was b Ireland 1849 according to her death record. She d Lynn 30 Aug 1895. She was previously m to Eugene Mahoney and I know nothing about him. She had 2 children with him: Margaret b 1872 and Eugene b 1873. I think they were brought up as McCarthys. Hannah's father was Timothy Mahoney and mother was Ellen. I know nothing more about them and hope to find their parents. Janet McCarthy Weymouth ----- Original Message ----- From: <JE301@aol.com> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] COUNTYCORK Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 > Jan, I am looking for people who have or would like to share > Mahoney/Mahonys. My maiden name was Mahoney and I live in NY. what are > your Mahoneys? > Mine went to Ontario in aobut 1840--cornelius, his wife, Frances Regan dn > their children--John, Jeremiah, Florance--male-- Mary and susanna. Any > connection? adn I believe they were from Kilmoe Parish in souther Cork > Jean > Mahoney Eustis > > > In a message dated 8/17/2009 7:23:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > carlw@gwi.net writes: > > but it may well be the same name. I have mahoneys and they go back to > O'Mahoney. My Weymouths are listed as Waymouth/Wamoth/etc. It may well > lead to a solution rather than a complication. jan mccarthy weymouth > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy" <ranny9@cox.net> > To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: [CO CORK] COUNTYCORK Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 > > >> >>> From: "Priscilla Haines" <phaines@digis.net> >>> Date: August 16, 2009 9:20:21 PM EDT >>> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [CO CORK] Anyone researching O Guinidhe: O'Guin/O'Gwin/ >>> O'Gwyn? >>> Reply-To: countycork@rootsweb.com >>> >>> >>> My son-in-law is Guinn. Same name??? priscilla >> >> I don't think so. I'm trying to avoid all the Guinn/Guins as that >> will just complicate things more. >> >> Randy O'Guin, USA >> Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ >> It is a good place to find information related to your family research. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have no living male members except my sons, Father died in 1966 , brother in 1987........... Could either son have the DNA test and what would it show, how could I make any connection to great grandfather who died 1905 or any living relative that I know nothing about?

Your sons inherited their Y-dna from their father. If you have no living male relatives that you can trace back through male lines to a common ancestor of yours, then I don't think it will work for you. As an example, in the case of my ggg grandmother who emigrated from Ireland in 1853, I would have to find an all-male line descending from one of her brothers to check relationships with possible relatives today. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat lewis" <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: [CO CORK] DNA question >I have no living male members except my sons, Father died in 1966 , > brother in 1987........... Could either son have the DNA test and what > would it show, how could I make any connection to great grandfather who > died 1905 or any living relative that I know nothing about?

Hi Garry, Just catching up with my filed emails. My grandmother was named Julia Ann Mahoney who married a Thomas Hooley in Cardiff Wales in 1888. she was 21 when married. She was born in Ireland and her father was named James. I have no other information about her family in Ireland. Are any of these names on your family history please? Many thanks, Kind regards, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry McFadden" <gmcf@telus.net> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] MCCARTHY/MAHON(E)Y >I am distantly related to Mahoney's from Low,Quebec,Canada. Their family > history has been done and they originated in County Limerick. Dennis > Mahoney > and he was married to Honora A. Leary. Let me know if you want to follow > this up. > > Garry McFadden > Prince George, BC. > Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: KENTUCKYSHAMROCK@aol.com [mailto:KENTUCKYSHAMROCK@aol.com] > Sent: July-23-09 6:50 AM > To: MAHONY@www.rootsweb.com; mahoney@rootsweb.com > Cc: countycork@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CO CORK] MCCARTHY/MAHON(E)Y > > Does anyone know where Mahon(e)y's are more concentrated in County Cork? I > have a MAHONY-MCCARTHY-DALEY connection circa mid to late 1700's-early > 1800's, and don't know where in county Cork to start. > > I will gladly accept any suggestions and tips!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Regards, > > Monica McCarthy > **************What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas > for any occasion. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) > > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Not quite, covered in #3 but a wee bit more tactfully ;-) Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Haggerty" <smhaggerty@shaw.ca> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA > Cliff, you missed a fifth possibility. A married woman bearing a child > whose > biological father was not her husband--not uncommon, today as well as in > the > past! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> > To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:37 PM > Subject: Re: [CO CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA > > >> Ev, >> >> When one sees different surnames with that close a match at 67 markers >> then >> one has to look for some of the following: >> 1. an adoption >> 2. a male who married and changed his name - done on occasion for money >> to >> shore up a line that had daughtered out. >> 3. a child born outside of a marriage and taking either his mother's >> name >> or that of a close relative who raised the child. >> 4. Someone changing his surname to avoid being found, either by the law >> or >> a wife. > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ev, When one sees different surnames with that close a match at 67 markers then one has to look for some of the following: 1. an adoption 2. a male who married and changed his name - done on occasion for money to shore up a line that had daughtered out. 3. a child born outside of a marriage and taking either his mother's name or that of a close relative who raised the child. 4. Someone changing his surname to avoid being found, either by the law or a wife. Of our 53 Y-DNA Cousins in our Johnstons in Poldean group I have come across a handful of such events. Interestingly, a Johnston contacted me to take a look at his Y-DNA. I was amazed. He had more than a dozen different surnames that matched him, none of them a Johnston. This verifies the old oral clan history that many Johnston/es were not from our clan, and that many assumed our surname to escape the law or one or more wives;-) With 2 miss-matches in 67 markers from what I've seen I would suggest that the event took place probably somewhere in the 1750's plus or minus 100 years. Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evelyn" <ebayna@ucsd.edu> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA >I had my father's DNA done at the 67 level He's John Fahey and there were > only 7 Fahey's done none from Cork and he matched someone named Bullock at > the 37 level and 67 level with 2 mismatches. Now what, maybe he isn't a > Fahey? No answers yet only more questions. > Evelyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: countycork-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:countycork-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Joan FitzGibbon > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:03 AM > To: countycork@rootsweb.com > Cc: mulvihill@rootsweb.com; MCCARTHY@rootsweb.com; conner@rootsweb.com; > MCCARTY@rootsweb.com; CONNOR@rootsweb.com; CONROY@rootsweb.com; > mahoney@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CO CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA > > > I had my brother do a 37 marker DNA sample for me on the Fitzgibbon line > and > there are no matches or even close matches. Big disappoint for me since I > am at a brickwall. > There are only 43 others in the study group for Gibbons to compare with of > the same surname, so hopefully there will be more added in future. > > -----Original Message----- > From: countycork-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:countycork-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > KENTUCKYSHAMROCK@aol.com > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:14 AM > To: countycork@rootsweb.com > Cc: mulvihill@rootsweb.com; MCCARTHY@rootsweb.com; conner@rootsweb.com; > MCCARTY@rootsweb.com; CONNOR@rootsweb.com; CONROY@rootsweb.com; > mahoney@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CO CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA > > Has anyone submitted their a male DNA sample to FAMILY TREE DNA? > > If so was it of any help? > > My immediate family has submitted DNA for Connor/Conroy and McCarthy > lines. > > Would be interested in anybody's experience. > > Regards, > > Monica McCarthy > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=htt > p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd > =JulystepsfooterNO115) > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.65/2322 - Release Date: 08/24/09 > 06:05:00 > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have not done this myself but my father-in-law did this. He is a Wells. The Wells family has been diligently researched in the US, plus they have a family association which sponsored the DNA testing. My FIL has also thoroughly researched his line. He got some of his line from another's research that was filed in Salt Lake. The DNA testing he did validated his research and the research he found at Salt Lake. I kind of think there were living persons with whom he could connect also. If that interests you I'd have to ask him if that's right. Loreen Wells KENTUCKYSHAMROCK@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone submitted their a male DNA sample to FAMILY TREE DNA? > > If so was it of any help? > > My immediate family has submitted DNA for Connor/Conroy and McCarthy lines. > > Would be interested in anybody's experience. > > Regards, > > Monica McCarthy > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd > =JulystepsfooterNO115) > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Cliff, you missed a fifth possibility. A married woman bearing a child whose biological father was not her husband--not uncommon, today as well as in the past! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA > Ev, > > When one sees different surnames with that close a match at 67 markers > then > one has to look for some of the following: > 1. an adoption > 2. a male who married and changed his name - done on occasion for money > to > shore up a line that had daughtered out. > 3. a child born outside of a marriage and taking either his mother's name > or that of a close relative who raised the child. > 4. Someone changing his surname to avoid being found, either by the law > or > a wife.

Monica, I did my Mahoney DNA quite a while ago and did get 6 or 8 matches. Have you foudn ir on line and checked the list? Jean M.Eustis In a message dated 8/24/2009 1:37:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, KENTUCKYSHAMROCK@aol.com writes: Has anyone submitted their a male DNA sample to FAMILY TREE DNA? If so was it of any help? My immediate family has submitted DNA for Connor/Conroy and McCarthy lines. Would be interested in anybody's experience. Regards, Monica McCarthy **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ It is a good place to find information related to your family research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had my father's DNA done at the 67 level He's John Fahey and there were only 7 Fahey's done none from Cork and he matched someone named Bullock at the 37 level and 67 level with 2 mismatches. Now what, maybe he isn't a Fahey? No answers yet only more questions. Evelyn -----Original Message----- From: countycork-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:countycork-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Joan FitzGibbon Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:03 AM To: countycork@rootsweb.com Cc: mulvihill@rootsweb.com; MCCARTHY@rootsweb.com; conner@rootsweb.com; MCCARTY@rootsweb.com; CONNOR@rootsweb.com; CONROY@rootsweb.com; mahoney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CO CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA I had my brother do a 37 marker DNA sample for me on the Fitzgibbon line and there are no matches or even close matches. Big disappoint for me since I am at a brickwall. There are only 43 others in the study group for Gibbons to compare with of the same surname, so hopefully there will be more added in future. -----Original Message----- From: countycork-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:countycork-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of KENTUCKYSHAMROCK@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:14 AM To: countycork@rootsweb.com Cc: mulvihill@rootsweb.com; MCCARTHY@rootsweb.com; conner@rootsweb.com; MCCARTY@rootsweb.com; CONNOR@rootsweb.com; CONROY@rootsweb.com; mahoney@rootsweb.com Subject: [CO CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA Has anyone submitted their a male DNA sample to FAMILY TREE DNA? If so was it of any help? My immediate family has submitted DNA for Connor/Conroy and McCarthy lines. Would be interested in anybody's experience. Regards, Monica McCarthy **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ It is a good place to find information related to your family research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.65/2322 - Release Date: 08/24/09 06:05:00 Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ It is a good place to find information related to your family research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'd suggest that if one is going to have a Y-DNA test done then FTDNA which does most of the testing and sets the standard for sets of markers used. Here's their link: http://www.familytreedna.com/Default.aspx?c=1 I have a group with some 53 Y-DNA Cousins tested. The only problems have been with tests that were done by non-FTDNA companies. Sometimes "free" can be very costly... Here's my group link to our Johnstons in Poldean: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JohnstonsInPoldean Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Keyes" <keyestl@execpc.com> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA I submitted my DNA a few years back to LDS & the result was not good; the company went out of business & I was left holding the bag. Now to the Connor/Conroy and McCarthy lines. My John Keyes changed his name to Connor to avoid an earlier altercation with the King's men (early 1800s in Ire). If the name Keyes show up in DNA search you will know why. Slán, Tom Keyes *********** ----- Original Message ----- From: <KENTUCKYSHAMROCK@aol.com> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> Cc: <mulvihill@rootsweb.com>; <MCCARTHY@rootsweb.com>; <conner@rootsweb.com>; <MCCARTY@rootsweb.com>; <CONNOR@rootsweb.com>; <CONROY@rootsweb.com>; <mahoney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:14 AM Subject: [CO CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA > Has anyone submitted their a male DNA sample to FAMILY TREE DNA? > > If so was it of any help? > > My immediate family has submitted DNA for Connor/Conroy and McCarthy > lines. > > Would be interested in anybody's experience. > > Regards, > > Monica McCarthy > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd > =JulystepsfooterNO115) > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ It is a good place to find information related to your family research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I submitted my DNA a few years back to LDS & the result was not good; the company went out of business & I was left holding the bag. Now to the Connor/Conroy and McCarthy lines. My John Keyes changed his name to Connor to avoid an earlier altercation with the King's men (early 1800s in Ire). If the name Keyes show up in DNA search you will know why. Slán, Tom Keyes *********** ----- Original Message ----- From: <KENTUCKYSHAMROCK@aol.com> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> Cc: <mulvihill@rootsweb.com>; <MCCARTHY@rootsweb.com>; <conner@rootsweb.com>; <MCCARTY@rootsweb.com>; <CONNOR@rootsweb.com>; <CONROY@rootsweb.com>; <mahoney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:14 AM Subject: [CO CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA > Has anyone submitted their a male DNA sample to FAMILY TREE DNA? > > If so was it of any help? > > My immediate family has submitted DNA for Connor/Conroy and McCarthy > lines. > > Would be interested in anybody's experience. > > Regards, > > Monica McCarthy > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd > =JulystepsfooterNO115) > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

i have submitted my DNA to familytreedna and have come up with 1 or 2 possible matches but dont know when they exactly join into my tree as they come from the american Tyner line so they descend from Irish tyners but when exactly is the unknown! john p.s. i have loads of 25 marker matches but about 5 or 6 37 marker matches ----- Original Message ---- From: "KENTUCKYSHAMROCK@aol.com" <KENTUCKYSHAMROCK@aol.com> To: countycork@rootsweb.com Cc: mulvihill@rootsweb.com; MCCARTHY@rootsweb.com; conner@rootsweb.com; MCCARTY@rootsweb.com; CONNOR@rootsweb.com; CONROY@rootsweb.com; mahoney@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 24 August, 2009 14:14:16 Subject: [CO CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA Has anyone submitted their a male DNA sample to FAMILY TREE DNA? If so was it of any help? My immediate family has submitted DNA for Connor/Conroy and  McCarthy lines. Would be interested in anybody's experience. Regards, Monica McCarthy **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at:  http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ It is a good place to find information related to your family research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message