I submitted my DNA to FamilyTreeDNA as part of the Ches(t)nut project. I had the 12-marker test.   Initially, I found that I was not closely related to any of the 13 other Chestnuts who participated.   A year later,   I received a message from a man who said that we must be related because our DNA match.   This man's name was not Chestnut; his grandfather was a Chestnut, but was not married to his grandmother, and his father took his mother's last name.   His grandfather was not a real parent to his father, and thus he knew almost nothing of his father's side of the family, hence his entry to FamilyTreeDNA.   He knew his grandfather's name and that of his great grandfather.   After further research, we found out that his great grandfather was the brother of my grandfather.   This was a great discovery for my second cousin-once removed, because he was able to find out about the history of the Chestnut family, going back to Ireland, which is exactly what he was seeking.    Over the succeeding months, we exchanged information and eventually met, even though we live thousands of miles apart.  We keep in touch regularly.   This kind of discovery is what genealogy is all about.  Paul Cotter Chestnut Palo Alto, CA --------------------------------------------------------------------------   In a message dated 8/24/2009 1:37:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,     KENTUCKYSHAMROCK@aol.com<mailto:KENTUCKYSHAMROCK@aol.com> writes:   Has  anyone submitted their a male DNA sample to FAMILY TREE DNA?   If so was  it of any help?   My immediate family has submitted DNA for Connor/Conroy  and  McCarthy   lines.   Would be interested in anybody's experience.     Regards,   Monica McCarthy   

Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me out with this one. I'm looking for the marriage of Cecila Jane TREACY. Cecilia was the daughter of John TREACY and Ann CUE. Cecilia was born 3 Jul 1869 in Cork City. I have one sibling for her (could well be more) - Richard Henry TREACY born 9 Jun 1873 in Cork City. On the 1911 census I have Richard and his family in Cork. I tried finding Cecilia and I have found a listing as follows: Alfred Henry SHORT age 47 born Hong Kong Cecilia Jane SHORT age 46 born Cork City I was hoping to find the marriage of this couple to either prove or disprove her as the Cecilia I am looking for. Kind Regards Kia

That is exacly my understanding as set out in my earlier message. Regards, Patsy Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question you would have to find a male relative on your mum's side that has her maiden name as his surname to track back on that line. the mother can take an mtdna which tracks back on all the females going further back. correct me anybody if im wrong. john in ireland Sent: Tuesday, 25 August, 2009 20:16:36 Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question This is not my understanding of how the DNA line works. I understood that the mother can not pass down the Y-DNA. So my sons do not carry the Y-DNA of my father, just as my mother could not pass down the Y-DNA of her line. [The carrying of the surname (not by marriage) can be a useful pointer.] For example, after making enquiries, it seems that to get any useful DNA tests for my Irish roots on my mother's side, I would need to find a male descendant from one of my uncles and have them do the test. I may be mistaken but this needs to be clarified as it could lead to false hopes and people being surprised and upset by results of testing. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question > As long as the male line is unbroken then her sons would have the same > Y-DNA > as that of her great grandfather; however, if a male from another family > is > the father of her 2 sons then they would have different Y-DNA.

This is not my understanding of how the DNA line works. I understood that the mother can not pass down the Y-DNA. So my sons do not carry the Y-DNA of my father, just as my mother could not pass down the Y-DNA of her line. [The carrying of the surname (not by marriage) can be a useful pointer.] For example, after making enquiries, it seems that to get any useful DNA tests for my Irish roots on my mother's side, I would need to find a male descendant from one of my uncles and have them do the test. I may be mistaken but this needs to be clarified as it could lead to false hopes and people being surprised and upset by results of testing. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question > As long as the male line is unbroken then her sons would have the same > Y-DNA > as that of her great grandfather; however, if a male from another family > is > the father of her 2 sons then they would have different Y-DNA. > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:16 PM > Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question > > >> Previous messages led me to believe Pat was the mother of the two sons, >> not >> the father? If so, her sons do not carry her father's y-dna. They carry >> the >> y-dna of her father-in-law.

Pat, Geez, that sounds almost as bad a nightmare as my Johnston family in Ireland... Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat lewis" <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:51 PM Subject: [CO CORK] DNA and researching family name. >I have only been doing genealogy since 1965, using what ever I could > find at national archives, city archives , LDS, writing leters to > people of the name in Clare, Cork, Kery and Limerick, and trying to > match the name to someone in a County where my great grandfather "said" > he was born in Cork, on census from 1861-1901. He had the nerve to die > without leaving any proof of his existence except his children- 3 > sons, only one who married, and had one son and both dead, too. > Grandfather also was not considerate enough to make out a will since he > basically had nothing to leave anyone or leave a message of where he is > buried in London area Of England. Very thoughtless of him!!!!!!! Same > for great grandmother, the children of theirs that are also buried in > London area. Obvioulsy a very thoughtless family not caring about > future generations who may possibly look for signs that they actually > existed and where! And they haven't made any "ghostly apearances that I > know of to me or any so called mediums, tho I do wish they would try. > LOL!!!!!!!!!! > When you only have a name IE; Jones, John b. Cork, with no idea of > where in the county, altho, the familiar name actually originated in > another county and there are many of the same name in surrounding > counties all the way back to Brian Boru it seems, sometimes they are > just not found , even after almost 45 years. I have had others insist > they have found Grandfather and Grandmother.......so far no match, > especially since i have no idea of Grandma's maiden name , only a > possibility of one. The only thing they find is Census I already have > from England 1861-1901...there are no records/census in Ireland of > 1821-on til maybe 1901. :-) I do not find them in the site you > provided > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have only been doing genealogy since 1965, using what ever I could find at national archives, city archives , LDS, writing leters to people of the name in Clare, Cork, Kery and Limerick, and trying to match the name to someone in a County where my great grandfather "said" he was born in Cork, on census from 1861-1901. He had the nerve to die without leaving any proof of his existence except his children- 3 sons, only one who married, and had one son and both dead, too. Grandfather also was not considerate enough to make out a will since he basically had nothing to leave anyone or leave a message of where he is buried in London area Of England. Very thoughtless of him!!!!!!! Same for great grandmother, the children of theirs that are also buried in London area. Obvioulsy a very thoughtless family not caring about future generations who may possibly look for signs that they actually existed and where! And they haven't made any "ghostly apearances that I know of to me or any so called mediums, tho I do wish they would try. LOL!!!!!!!!!! When you only have a name IE; Jones, John b. Cork, with no idea of where in the county, altho, the familiar name actually originated in another county and there are many of the same name in surrounding counties all the way back to Brian Boru it seems, sometimes they are just not found , even after almost 45 years. I have had others insist they have found Grandfather and Grandmother.......so far no match, especially since i have no idea of Grandma's maiden name , only a possibility of one. The only thing they find is Census I already have from England 1861-1901...there are no records/census in Ireland of 1821-on til maybe 1901. :-) I do not find them in the site you provided

Correct. The Y-DNA is passed on solely through the male line. mtDNA is passed on through the maternal line although sons will have the mtDNA of their mothers, but once the sons have children then they will have the mtDNA of their mother, not their father. What happened in the original case was 2 families with a common wife and the children being from only one husband - not uncommon. By the way my comment about a garden party was followed by a ;-) indicating that it was a joke and not to be taken seriously... Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evelyn" <ebayna@ucsd.edu> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question > Now this is really getting confusing. HER sons do not carry any of HER > father, grandfather, greatgrandfather's Y DNA unless she married her > cousin. > The Y DNA is passed in the Y chromosome which comes from the male and > determines that the child is a boy. Therefore if she wanted to test her > father she would have to have a brother or Uncle on her father's side or > perhaps a male cousin on her father's side. This is the same problem I > have > with my father in that to test any of his Fahey relatives I need a male of > direct descent. His father was an only son and his father's father had > one > brother but no children. Any further back in Ireland is difficult to > trace. > So hopefully someone will get tested that matches him with the same last > name but as has been posted that might take a while or never happen. I'm > hoping. > The Bullock name could be it. My father's mother was 6 months pregnant > when > she married John Fahey so most likely he wasn't adopted but perhaps his > father wasn't his biological father. I've asked the cousins on his > mother's > side but they don't have any idea. The cousins on his father's side > didn't > even know he existed since his father died when he was 2 and he never knew > that side of his family. > Evelyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: countycork-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:countycork-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Cliff. Johnston > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:27 AM > To: countycork@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question > > > As long as the male line is unbroken then her sons would have the same > Y-DNA > as that of her great grandfather; however, if a male from another family > is > the father of her 2 sons then they would have different Y-DNA. > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Haggerty" <smhaggerty@shaw.ca> > To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:16 PM > Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question > > >> Previous messages led me to believe Pat was the mother of the two sons, >> not >> the father? If so, her sons do not carry her father's y-dna. They carry >> the >> y-dna of her father-in-law. >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> >>> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com>; <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question >>> >>> >>>> Pat, >>>> >>>> Both sons carry your father's Y-DNA; >> >> Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ >> It is a good place to find information related to your family research. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To qualm the concerns and arguments about my question regarding DNA testing! First of all I am the Mother of 2 sons by two husbands..............I understand the DNA would have to come from the male side HOWEVER, both husbands are DEAD! and so is my Fahter and their grandfathers of both sons!!!! So the question has been answered- no way to get it done from dead people. I am not about to throw a "garden digging party " in any cemetery or try to find a ash in the middle of the ocean of Father's or grandfather.

John, Your Dad might have identical Y-DNA or possibly 1 mutation - no great shakes of difference and essentially meaningless as you already know your results. Save your money :-) unless you have another family line that you're not sure of, and you think that it might help - I would say that this happens only on occasion though. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "john tyner" <johntyner2001@yahoo.com> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA testing i would like to put in my penny's worth, my father is 74, i have already got my DNA tested, would it be worthwhile me asking my dad to get his DNA tested? john in Wicklow ----- Original Message ---- From: Cliff. Johnston <moments-in-time@comcast.net> To: countycork@rootsweb.com; CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 25 August, 2009 17:41:20 Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA testing Pat, You're more than welcome - glad to be of some help. It takes a living male of the line in question to be tested for Y-DNA. Other than digging up someone, there is no way around it to the best of my knowledge. I know that this can be frustrating as several of my group members have emailed me about having a "garden party" some midnight to obtain a sample of one of our lines that died out years ago - all in good humor, of course, unless you read about us being caught...lol ;-) Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat lewis" <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: [CO CORK] DNA testing > Cliff Johnson > > Thank you for the advice and explaination of the testing of DNA and > the markers. If one could afford to have it done in the first place, I > guess the 67 marker might be worthwhile. > However, my husband was cremated -finding he ashes floating in the > ocean for the last 10 years, might be a tad bit hard to find to get a > match for his to a family member, as to other make relatives , such as > Father, he is National cemetery, in Farmingdale/Huntington LI, NY. The > cost if getting a sample might be even harder, with cost of getting to > the body that has been thee for 40 + years and might just upset the > government as to why I wanted to dis-inter. Grandfather has been in > Calvery since 1926, over 80 years and besides the cost of paying back > cemetery costs of keeping the grave-site neat for a grave, I do not > own, could also be a tad bit expensive, and as to a great- > grandfather, he is buried somewhere in the London area of England since > 1905. All of these things would have to be taken into consideration, Or > is there an easier way to get the DNA????? > Plus the fact that I have no idea if any other people with the same > name are in the DNA testing program. Nor do I have any idea of where in > Ireland my great grandparents were born or lived until they moved to > England in the 1850's. > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ It is a good place to find information related to your family research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ It is a good place to find information related to your family research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At my request, my mail cousin did the DNA test for me for Ancestry.com for the Walsh surname. I haven't been able to do much research on the results, but we had quite a few closes matches - none with the Walsh surname, all with the O'Leary surname. The results are nicely packaged with easy to understand explanations and direct links to other matches. I'd recommend it, although a little costly. Barbara in St. Louis, MIssouri USA On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:14 AM, <KENTUCKYSHAMROCK@aol.com> wrote: > Has anyone submitted their a male DNA sample to FAMILY TREE DNA? > > If so was it of any help? > > My immediate family has submitted DNA for Connor/Conroy and McCarthy > lines. > > Would be interested in anybody's experience. > > Regards, > > Monica McCarthy > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd > =JulystepsfooterNO115) > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Now this is really getting confusing. HER sons do not carry any of HER father, grandfather, greatgrandfather's Y DNA unless she married her cousin. The Y DNA is passed in the Y chromosome which comes from the male and determines that the child is a boy. Therefore if she wanted to test her father she would have to have a brother or Uncle on her father's side or perhaps a male cousin on her father's side. This is the same problem I have with my father in that to test any of his Fahey relatives I need a male of direct descent. His father was an only son and his father's father had one brother but no children. Any further back in Ireland is difficult to trace. So hopefully someone will get tested that matches him with the same last name but as has been posted that might take a while or never happen. I'm hoping. The Bullock name could be it. My father's mother was 6 months pregnant when she married John Fahey so most likely he wasn't adopted but perhaps his father wasn't his biological father. I've asked the cousins on his mother's side but they don't have any idea. The cousins on his father's side didn't even know he existed since his father died when he was 2 and he never knew that side of his family. Evelyn -----Original Message----- From: countycork-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:countycork-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Cliff. Johnston Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:27 AM To: countycork@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question As long as the male line is unbroken then her sons would have the same Y-DNA as that of her great grandfather; however, if a male from another family is the father of her 2 sons then they would have different Y-DNA. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Haggerty" <smhaggerty@shaw.ca> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question > Previous messages led me to believe Pat was the mother of the two sons, > not > the father? If so, her sons do not carry her father's y-dna. They carry > the > y-dna of her father-in-law. > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> >> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com>; <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question >> >> >>> Pat, >>> >>> Both sons carry your father's Y-DNA; > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ It is a good place to find information related to your family research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In addition, in Ireland there was a long tradition of what we might call 'fostering' of children, especially in earlier times. It is not unknown for these children to have taken the name of the foster family. Just another trap for researchers! Regards, Patsy - New Zealand Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA > Ev, > > When one sees different surnames with that close a match at 67 markers > then > one has to look for some of the following: > 1. an adoption > 2. a male who married and changed his name - done on occasion for money > to > shore up a line that had > daughtered out. > 3. a child born outside of a marriage and taking either his mother's name > or that of a close relative who raised > the child. > 4. Someone changing his surname to avoid being found, either by the law > or > a wife.

As long as the male line is unbroken then her sons would have the same Y-DNA as that of her great grandfather; however, if a male from another family is the father of her 2 sons then they would have different Y-DNA. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Haggerty" <smhaggerty@shaw.ca> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question > Previous messages led me to believe Pat was the mother of the two sons, > not > the father? If so, her sons do not carry her father's y-dna. They carry > the > y-dna of her father-in-law. > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> >> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com>; <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question >> >> >>> Pat, >>> >>> Both sons carry your father's Y-DNA; > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, John is correct. Mitochondrial dna is the type that is passed on only by the mother. It is passed to both sons and daughters, but only women transmit it to their children. This is because mitochondria are located outside the cell nucleus--male sperm passes on only the nuclear material, not anything that is outside the nucleus. The complete egg cell however does become part of the child's heredity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "john tyner" <johntyner2001@yahoo.com> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question you would have to find a male relative on your mum's side that has her maiden name as his surname to track back on that line. the mother can take an mtdna which tracks back on all the females going further back. correct me anybody if im wrong. john in ireland

You are correct Patsy. Women do not have any Y-dna to pass on to anyone. Sharon Haggerty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia O'Shea" <pkoshea@xtra.co.nz> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question > This is not my understanding of how the DNA line works. > > I understood that the mother can not pass down the Y-DNA. So my sons do > not > carry the Y-DNA of my father, just as my mother could not pass down the > Y-DNA of her line. [The carrying of the surname (not by marriage) can be a > useful pointer.] > > For example, after making enquiries, it seems that to get any useful DNA > tests for my Irish roots on my mother's side, I would need to find a male > descendant from one of my uncles and have them do the test. > > I may be mistaken but this needs to be clarified as it could lead to false > hopes and people being surprised and upset by results of testing. > > Regards, Patsy - New Zealand

Richard, Glad to help :-) One thing to keep in mind is that patience is needed. Don't give up hope as more and more people will be tested, and you shall get matches. When I had my Y-DNA tested 4 years ago there were only 4 others who matched and then not perfectly. Of these 4, 2 had been waiting for 2 years for more participants. The original 2 were, according to the FTDNA Relatedness table, not related within the time frame needed/wanted, 500 years. The Relatedness table indicated over 1,000 years to their Most Recent Common Ancestor. The next 2 didn't help much either, but then I came along and fell right in between the original 2. All of a sudden the Relatedness table put all of us within the desired time frame of 500 years. In addition, when we upgraded to 67 markers the Relatedness tables indicated that several others (more Cousins had come aboard too) were related within an even shorter time period than the 37-markers Relatedness table had indicated. This is one of the shortcomings of FTDNA's Relatedness tables. It really points out the importance of doing the 67-markers test first. Good hunting, Cliff. "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Reddick" <rdreddick@charter.net> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com>; <moments-in-time@comcast.net>; <ranny9@cox.net>; <Reddick@rootsweb.com>; <Riddick@rootsweb.com>; <Daly@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Excellent advice! COUNTYCORK Digest, V 4, Iss 107 Tnx Cliff: Excellent advice on the DNA testing. Have to admit ignorance on my own Daly/O'Dalaigh from Cork Y-DNA status, but our Reddick/R320 experience supports your County Cork advice. Richard Daly Reddick ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:17:42 -0500 From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question To: <countycork@rootsweb.com>, <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <007001ca2597$32c6a8d0$0202a8c0@Annandale> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Pat, Both sons carry your father's Y-DNA; accordingly, unless the male line has been interupted, they will also have the same Y-DNA as your great grandfather. Unfortunately there is no way to connect back to your great grandfather other than a paper trail. Y-DNA testing will only show relationships between people who have been tested for their Y-DNA. One could get a Y-DNA sample of one's great grandfather if one knew where he was buried, but most people do not go this route unless the circumstances are extra-ordinary. Of course this means that Y-DNA can and is being used by 10's of thousands of people to find what I refer to as "Y-DNA Cousins". Now here is where the science meets statistics meets art. How close 2 or more Y-DNA Cousins are to each other when they have no known paper trail is a wee bit of a SWAG. For most people considering taking the Y-DNA test let me recommend strongly the 67-markers test. Why? Experience with my Johnstons in Poldean group has taught me that. Let's take a look at the various tests and what we can learn from them. 12-markers test: the most basic test being marketed; used by National Geographic in their human genome project in an attempt to explain the migration of mankind from his inception to today. If one is lucky, one will find out which major haplogroup one belongs to and little else - many do not though. 25-markers test: a waste of time and money, in my opinion. It adds little that is really useful to the 12-markers test. 37-markers test: this test helps in defining close relationships within the past few hundred years. For example, in our Johnstons in Poldean group we've been able to help 2 pairs of Cousins to get together and cooperatively work in finding their Most Recent Common Ancestor. Both pairs had a difference of only 1 mutation, but their MRCAs were from different generations, ie: one pair found their MRCA in the 1750's while the other pair found their MRCA in the 1850's. On the other hand one of our Cousins had 2 of his grandsons tested. Each differed by 1 mutation from his results, and each was at a different locus (marker). All of this illustrates the well-known fact that mutations occur randomly. We never know when they will happen or where. 67-markers test: in most cases, other than when 2 or more Cousins are known to be from the same family line, this is the test that should be taken. The loci, or markers, #38-67 are most useful in determining direct family lines. For a year or so in our Johnstons in Poldean group we relied primarily on the 37-markers tests, but when a handful of Cousins had their tests upgraded to 67 markers it became evident that the upgrade was invaluable as it indicated a close relationship between 2 Cousins who thought that they were from different family lines, and 2 other Cousins who thought they were from the same family line turned out to be from totally different lines. Now that we've had 33 of our Cousins upgrade to 67-markers we are "true believers" in getting the 67-markers test done first. I hope that this helps you a wee bit :-) Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat lewis" <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: [CO CORK] DNA question >I have no living male members except my sons, Father died in 1966, brother >in 1987........... Could either son have the DNA test and what would it >show, how could I make any connection to great grandfather who died 1905 >or any living relative that I know nothing about? > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: COUNTYCORK Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 (Janet) > 2. Re: FAMILY TREE DNA (Phyllis Pawloski) > 3. Re: DNA question (Cliff. Johnston) > 4. Re: DNA question (Cliff. Johnston) > 5. Re: DNA question (Cliff. Johnston) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:56:04 -0400 > From: "Janet" <carlw@gwi.net> > Subject: Re: [CO CORK] COUNTYCORK Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 > To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <60222803FA4D44709C8EF06AF35FE027@janetPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Sorry to be so slow in returning your email. My g grandmother was Hannah > Mahoney. She m Edmond McCarthy in Lynn MA 9 Sep 1877. She was b Ireland > 1849 according to her death record. She d Lynn 30 Aug 1895. She was previously m to Eugene Mahoney and I know nothing about him. She had 2 children with him: Margaret b 1872 and Eugene b 1873. I think they were brought up as McCarthys. Hannah's father was Timothy Mahoney and mother was Ellen. I know nothing more about them and hope to find their parents. > Janet McCarthy Weymouth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JE301@aol.com> > To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: [CO CORK] COUNTYCORK Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 > >> Jan, I am looking for people who have or would like to share >> Mahoney/Mahonys. My maiden name was Mahoney and I live in NY. what are >> your Mahoneys? Mine went to Ontario in aobut 1840--cornelius, his wife, Frances Regan and their children--John, Jeremiah, Florance--male-- Mary and Susanna. Any connection? and I believe they were from Kilmoe Parish in southern Cork >> Jean Mahoney Eustis >> >> >> In a message dated 8/17/2009 7:23:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> carlw@gwi.net writes: >> >>...but it may well be the same name. I have mahoneys and they go back to >>O'Mahoney. My Weymouths are listed as Waymouth/Wamoth/etc. It may well >>lead to a solution rather than a complication. jan mccarthy weymouth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Randy" <ranny9@cox.net> >> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [CO CORK] COUNTYCORK Digest, Vol 4, Issue 99 >> From: "Priscilla Haines" <phaines@digis.net> >>> Date: August 16, 2009 9:20:21 PM EDT >>> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [CO CORK] Anyone researching O'Guinidhe: >>> O'Guin/O'Gwin/O'Gwyn? >>>> >>>> >>>> My son-in-law is Guinn. Same name??? priscilla >>> >>> I don't think so. I'm trying to avoid all the Guinn/Guins as that will >>> just complicate things more. >>> >>> Randy O'Guin, USA >>>>> ------------------------------- >> >> Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ >> It is a good place to find information related to your family research. >> ------------------------------- >>------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:10:07 -0400 > From: "Phyllis Pawloski" <pppawloski1@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [CO CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA > To: <countycork@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <COL123-DS119706A845917447467ACCE0F80@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > At my request, my cousin submitted his DNA for the Crowley Clan DNA > project. This project has produced considerable success. I recommend it. > Phyllis P > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JE301@aol.com<mailto:JE301@aol.com> > To: countycork@rootsweb.com<mailto:countycork@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: [CO CORK] FAMILY TREE DNA > > Monica, I did my Mahoney DNA quite a while ago and did get 6 or 8 matches. > Have you found it online and checked the list? > Jean M.Eustis > >

I found this summary very interesting and useful. JMW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> To: <countycork@rootsweb.com>; <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question > Pat, > > Both sons carry your father's Y-DNA; accordingly, unless the male line > has > been interupted, they will also have the same Y-DNA as your great > grandfather. Unfortunately there is no way to connect back to your great > grandfather other than a paper trail. Y-DNA testing will only show > relationships between people who have been tested for their Y-DNA. One > could get a Y-DNA sample of one's great grandfather if one knew where he > was > buried, but most people do not go this route unless the circumstances are > extra-ordinary. Of course this means that Y-DNA can and is being used by > 10's of thousands of people to find what I refer to as "Y-DNA Cousins". > Now > here is where the science meets statistics meets art. How close 2 or more > Y-DNA Cousins are to each other when they have no known paper trail is a > wee > bit of a SWAG. > > For most people considering taking the Y-DNA test let me recommend > strongly > the 67-markers test. Why? Experience with my Johnstons in Poldean group > has taught me that. Let's take a look at the various tests and what we > can > learn from them. > > 12-markers test: the most basic test being marketed; used by National > Geographic in their human genome project in an attempt to explain the > migration of mankind from his inception to today. If one is lucky, one > will > find out which major haplogroup one belongs to and little else - many do > not > though. > > 25-markers test: a waste of time and money, in my opinion. It adds > little > that is really useful to the 12-markers test. > > 37-markers test: this test helps in defining close relationships within > the > past few hundred years. For example, in our Johnstons in Poldean group > we've been able to help 2 pairs of Cousins to get together and > cooperatively > work in finding their Most Recent Common Ancestor. Both pairs had a > difference of only 1 mutation, but their MRCAs were from different > generations, ie: one pair found their MRCA in the 1750's while the other > pair found their MRCA in the 1850's. On the other hand one of our Cousins > had 2 of his grandsons tested. Each differed by 1 mutation from his > results, and each was at a different locus (marker). All of this > illustrates the well-known fact that mutations occur randomly. We never > know when they will happen or where. > > 67-markers test: in most cases, other than when 2 or more Cousins are > known > to be from the same family line, this is the test that should be taken. > The > loci, or markers, #38-67 are most useful in determining direct family > lines. > For a year or so in our Johnstons in Poldean group we relied primarily on > the 37-markers tests, but when a handful of Cousins had their tests > upgraded > to 67 markers it became evident that the upgrade was invaluable as it > indicated a close relationship between 2 Cousins who thought that they > were > from different family lines, and 2 other Cousins who thought they were > from > the same family line turned out to be from totally different lines. Now > that we've had 33 of our Cousins upgrade to 67-markers we are "true > believers" in getting the 67-markers test done first. > > I hope that this helps you a wee bit :-) > > Good hunting, > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pat lewis" <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> > To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:41 PM > Subject: [CO CORK] DNA question > > >>I have no living male members except my sons, Father died in 1966 , >> brother in 1987........... Could either son have the DNA test and what >> would it show, how could I make any connection to great grandfather who >> died 1905 or any living relative that I know nothing about? >> Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ >> It is a good place to find information related to your family research. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

you would have to find a male relative on your mum's side that has her maiden name as his surname to track back on that line. the mother can take an mtdna which tracks back on all the females going further back. correct me anybody if im wrong. john in ireland ----- Original Message ---- From: Patricia O'Shea <pkoshea@xtra.co.nz> To: countycork@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 25 August, 2009 20:16:36 Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question This is not my understanding of how the DNA line works. I understood that the mother can not pass down the Y-DNA. So my sons do not carry the Y-DNA of my father, just as my mother could not pass down the Y-DNA of her line. [The carrying of the surname (not by marriage) can be a useful pointer.] For example, after making enquiries, it seems that to get any useful DNA tests for my Irish roots on my mother's side, I would need to find a male descendant from one of my uncles and have them do the test. I may be mistaken but this needs to be clarified as it could lead to false hopes and people being surprised and upset by results of testing. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question > As long as the male line is unbroken then her sons would have the same > Y-DNA > as that of her great grandfather;  however, if a male from another family > is > the father of her 2 sons then they would have different Y-DNA. > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:16 PM > Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA question > > >> Previous messages led me to believe Pat was the mother of the two sons, >> not >> the father? If so, her sons do not carry her father's y-dna. They carry >> the >> y-dna of her father-in-law. Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at:  http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ It is a good place to find information related to your family research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cliff Johnson Thank you for the advice and explaination of the testing of DNA and the markers. If one could afford to have it done in the first place, I guess the 67 marker might be worthwhile. However, my husband was cremated -finding he ashes floating in the ocean for the last 10 years, might be a tad bit hard to find to get a match for his to a family member, as to other make relatives , such as Father, he is National cemetery, in Farmingdale/Huntington LI, NY. The cost if getting a sample might be even harder, with cost of getting to the body that has been thee for 40 + years and might just upset the government as to why I wanted to dis-inter. Grandfather has been in Calvery since 1926, over 80 years and besides the cost of paying back cemetery costs of keeping the grave-site neat for a grave, I do not own, could also be a tad bit expensive, and as to a great- grandfather, he is buried somewhere in the London area of England since 1905. All of these things would have to be taken into consideration, Or is there an easier way to get the DNA????? Plus the fact that I have no idea if any other people with the same name are in the DNA testing program. Nor do I have any idea of where in Ireland my great grandparents were born or lived until they moved to England in the 1850's.

i would like to put in my penny's worth, my father is 74, i have already got my DNA tested, would it be worthwhile me asking my dad to get his DNA tested? john in Wicklow ----- Original Message ---- From: Cliff. Johnston <moments-in-time@comcast.net> To: countycork@rootsweb.com; CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 25 August, 2009 17:41:20 Subject: Re: [CO CORK] DNA testing Pat, You're more than welcome - glad to be of some help. It takes a living male of the line in question to be tested for Y-DNA. Other than digging up someone, there is no way around it to the best of my knowledge.  I know that this can be frustrating as several of my group members have emailed me about having a "garden party" some midnight to obtain a sample of one of our lines that died out years ago - all in good humor, of course, unless you read about us being caught...lol  ;-) Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat lewis" <carmodyp@bellsouth.net> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: [CO CORK] DNA testing > Cliff Johnson > > Thank you for the advice and explaination of the testing of DNA and > the markers. If one could afford to have it done in the first place, I > guess the 67 marker might be worthwhile. > However, my husband was cremated -finding he ashes  floating in the > ocean  for the last 10 years, might be a tad bit hard to find to get a > match for his to a family member, as to other make relatives , such as > Father, he is National cemetery, in Farmingdale/Huntington LI, NY. The > cost if getting a sample might be even harder, with cost  of getting to > the body that has been  thee for 40 + years and might just upset the > government  as to why I wanted to dis-inter. Grandfather has been in > Calvery since 1926, over 80 years and besides the cost of paying back > cemetery costs of keeping the grave-site neat for a grave, I do not > own, could also be a tad bit  expensive, and as to a great- > grandfather, he is buried somewhere in the London area of England since > 1905. All of these things would have to be taken into consideration, Or > is there an easier way to get the DNA????? > Plus  the fact that I have no idea if any other people with the same > name are in the DNA testing program. Nor do I have any idea of where in > Ireland my great grandparents were born or lived until they moved to > England in the 1850's. > Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ > It is a good place to find information related to your family research. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Check out the Ireland GenWeb County Cork Website at:  http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ It is a good place to find information related to your family research. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COUNTYCORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message