--- CountyCork-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 > > CountyCork-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 61 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [Cork] Moakler ["Jack > Helmore" <helmore@tpg.com.au] > #2 Re: [Cork] Moakler ["William > P. Fahy" <wpfahy@gis.net>] > #3 Re: [Cork] Records of the Estates [colman > Ahern <Gnarlybone@ziplink.n] > #4 Re: [Cork] Genealogical research R [colman > Ahern <Gnarlybone@ziplink.n] > #5 [Cork] moakler ["Frank > Nash" <fnash@eircom.net>] > #6 [Cork] Morgan ["John > Beaton" <jcbeaton@bigpond.co] > #7 [Cork] Looking for Australian Cork > ["Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <KnowltonE] > > Administrivia: > > Messages to the list should be sent to > CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe from the digest send the word > unsubscribe in the body of an email with no other > text (leave subject line blank and turn off > signature line) to CountyCork-D-request@rootsweb.com > > CountyCork Mailing List homepage (for list > guidelines and how to subscribe/unsubscribe) > http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/countycork > > To contact the listowner send a message to > mpetzolt2@webtv.net > > > > > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:20:47 +1100 > From: "Jack Helmore" <helmore@tpg.com.au> > To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Cork] Moakler > > I am looking for a family called Moakler. Mary > Moakler, born Cork, 1852, emigrated to Australia > where she married Peter Gay, in 1873 in Melbourne. I > have not been able to find a Moakler family in > Ireland. Can anyone help? > > jack > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:33:13 -0500 > From: "William P. Fahy" <wpfahy@gis.net> > To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cork] Moakler > > Could it be Moakley a more common name in West Cork? > > Bill Fahy > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 10:12:18 -0800 > From: colman Ahern <Gnarlybone@ziplink.net> > To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cork] Records of the Estates of Earl > of Kingston > > There might be Kingston estate records in the > following, page 148 in Ryan's: "The Origins of Co. > Cork Kingstons." J. Cork Hist. & Arch. Soc. 76 > (1981): 75-99. Try emailing Cork City Library for > photocopies of the article. See if the LDS have > "Manuscript Sources for the Study of Irish > Civilization" by Richard Hayes, its a guide or > catalogue of what is available re estate records and > where they can be found. > > Iff you are interested in the period after > Griffith's Survey, again the LDS may have the > Cancelled Land Valuation Books on film for Kilworth, > they are very informative. Look under Land Records > on their website. > > Colman Ahern, > Berkeley. > > Jay Kubik wrote: > > > Hi List - > > > > Does anyone know if the above exist. The Earl of > Kingston was the landlord for my ancestors who lived > in County Cork, Kilworth Parish, Gortnaskehy > townland. I have not been able to find these > records at LDS & the NLI did not answer my email. I > also consulted James Ryan's book. Anyone seen these > records? Where are they located? > > > > Thanks alot. > > > > Jeannine > > > > ==== CountyCork Mailing List ==== > > **SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage for searching in all of > Ireland > http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS > ** > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 10:24:19 -0800 > From: colman Ahern <Gnarlybone@ziplink.net> > To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cork] Genealogical research Re: Barry > > If you have access to a LDS Family History Center > try looking for his birth in the yearly indexes for > civil registration of births in Ireland, they start > in 1864. Send the index details to Dublin GRO for > a photocopy of the complete entry from the > registers. If you know any of his siblings first > names search for them also. The birth > registrations give both parents names, search for > their marriage in the marriage indexes. > > Colman Ahern, > Berkeley. > > Edward Barry wrote: > > > My. father, Daniel J. Barry, was born circa 1898 > in County Cork. He was one of 13 children. He > emigrated to America and married Beatrice McGrevey > (County Down) in 1934 in New York City. They had 8 > children, Daniel, Frances, Kevin, Edward, John, > Michael, James and Julia. He died in New York City > in 1947. He had two sisters that I know of who lived > in Beverly Massachusetts. I have no vital records > and little family background at this time. Any info > would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. > > > > ==== CountyCork Mailing List ==== > > ** To contact the listowner, send a message to > mpetzolt2@webtv.net ** > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822 > Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:41:28 -0000 > From: "Frank Nash" <fnash@eircom.net> > To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Cork] moakler > > I think perhaps the name should be spelled Mochler. > The Mochlers were a family of Jewish tailors who > traded in > Cork for many years. They were also furriers, > selling fur coats etc. They closed their business > about twenty yeara ago. > Regards > Frank Nash > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 7 message/rfc822 > Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:03:53 +1000 > From: "John Beaton" <jcbeaton@bigpond.com> > To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Cork] Morgan > > Hi all, > > I am a new member to this list and this is my first > message. > > I am looking for any help with the following MORGAN > family. > > A widow, Ann Morgan, and her children Charles (21), > Mary Ann (17), Margaret (16), Fanny (14), and James > (11), all residents of County Cork, sailed to New > Zealand in 1842. Mary Ann is my Gt Gt Grandmother, > and from her marriage we learn that her parents > names were Jacob Morgan and Ann (nee Green) > > >From the above ages we can conclude Jacob/Ann's > marriage was probably around 1820, the children were > born between 1821 and 1831 and Jacob died between > 1831 and 1842. The family were Catholic. > > Firstly, does anyone have a connection to, or > knowledge of this family. Failing that, can someone > with knowledge of Cork parish records advise whether > I am likely to find any details of the marriage, > births and death, and, if so, how best to go about > it. > > Regards > John Beaton > Brisbane, Australia > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 8 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 22:46:45 -0500 > From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" > <KnowltonEW@compuserve.com> > To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Cork] Looking for Australian Cork > researcher Damien Hynes > > Well, after absent-mindedly posting this to the > Kerry list, > here goes again: > > Damien Hynes <djh@alphalink.com.au> > > An Australian doing research in SW Cork posted a > message > to the Rootsweb Co Cork board about two years ago. > His > email address has expired, and I am trying to find > him. > > Have any of you run across a Damien Hynes? I take > it > he is an Australian. He was researching Blairs in > SW Cork. > > I tried the Australian white pages, but you need to > know > too much information for me to use it; and it shows > nothing > but first initial so I cannot know which D is > Damien. > > Thanks for any help. > > Elizabeth KnowltonEW@Compuserve.com Please Post > Searching for a source to information contained in the book: "Books of Survey and Distribution co. Cork" Looking for Worthington 1691-1770, E-Mail objwbook@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Dear list members: I recently came into some information a relative had collected in the 1930's.It states that the brother of my great great grandfather of Ballyrisode,Parish Kilmoe,Co Cork amassed a great fortune in India, died of the Plague and this fortune reverted back to the "Crown" upon his death. His sister and other members of the family attempted to get it back without success. It certainly is a colorful story, more so than the simple farmer and fisherman roots I have found so far. How, I wonder, would I find out if any of it is true? Does anyone have any idea where I can start? Regards, Nancy Kie

Kingston: 1841-2 rent rolls with name of tenants, Nat Lib MS 3276. The above is a national library manuscript number, to access any national library material you will need to employ a professional researcher or visit Dublin yourself. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Kubik" <jayghkub@coastalnet.com> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 5:50 AM Subject: [Cork] Records of the Estates of Earl of Kingston > Hi List - > > Does anyone know if the above exist. The Earl of Kingston was the landlord for my ancestors who lived in County Cork, Kilworth Parish, Gortnaskehy townland. I have not been able to find these records at LDS & the NLI did not answer my email. I also consulted James Ryan's book. Anyone seen these records? Where are they located? > > Thanks alot. > > Jeannine > > ______________________________

Jack, Re: Moakler. There were no entries for this name in Griffith's Valuation in Cork (1851-53). Similar names as follows -- names, counties, civil parishes, townlands: Moakley, John, Wexford, Tomhaggard civil parish, townland of Tomhaggard " Patrick " Kilmannan, Bargy Commons Moakly, William, Cork, Clenor, Clenor North Mockler, Thomas, Cork, Clondulane, Licklash Mockleur, Thomas, Cork, Leitrim civil parish, Ballynalacken Mockley, John, Cork, Kilcrumper, Knockanenabohilly Hope this helps, Tom O'Hare,, Researching Ellen Delay, born Cork c-1832, dau. of Patrick Delay and Ann Cronin.

Peg: If you go to the Co. Cork Rootsweb.com message board search engine and type in "Jean Rice Landowners" you will get her grand contribution of the 1876 Landowners in Co. Cork. I am not aware of a previous Landowners List. Jean has taken on this task for each Co. in Ireland, and the Landowners Lists are on each Co. message board, typing in the same keywords. These Lists are set up in multiple sections (posts) by alphabet, so you will find about 20+ of her posts that cover an entire county. The Landowners lists cover people that owned One Acre or more in that county. You can get to each Ireland Counties Message Board at this location: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.britisles.ireland If you like what you see, and I know you will, please thank Jean for this splendid accomplishment and a job well done! Norm Ruddock Peg Garry wrote: >I notice the questions about records of landlords with tenants. >Is there a way to check to see if your ancestor was a tenant of a landlord? >Peg > > >==== CountyCork Mailing List ==== >** Visit Helpful Hints for Successful Searching, includes information on Irish Civil Registration 1864+ http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints ** > >

This morining I checked out Cyndi's List for her Ireland Information, and was pleasantly surprised to find some new additions. Her site and this section of it has about anything you ever wanted to know about Ireland and were afraid to ask about, until now! and more to boot! (How to, Lists, Places to Go to Find Data, Ireland Oriented Web Sites, Various types of records available to search from and where to find them, online data bases to search, message boards, how to build a web site and the tools to do it with, Book lists and where to find them, CD's and where to find them, Software and where to find them, Cemeteries, IGI Batch Numbers, and on and on it goes from there). Take a look and see for yourself: http://www.cyndislist.com/ireland.htm You might want to bookmark this page (if you haven't already) and refer to it often, as it is a wonderful tool to have in your genealogy tool box. I should check here more often, as the list continues to grow and amaze me! There is even coverage of copyright there that might be of help to those of you withholding sharing some pieces of information that you have on this list, that would be of help to others.. Maybe reading it will help all of us understand the law and our safe use of copies & extracts. http://www.genuki.org.uk/org/Copyright.html Another excellent section on Cyndi's site is the one on Online Searching, that leads to the Mormon LDS Site in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA. This link is really helpful for helping you with online searches.. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=G1&Aid=&Gid=&Lid=&Sid=&Did=&Juris1=&Event=&Year=&Gloss=&Sub=&Tab=&Entry=&Guide=Ireland.ASP Here's a section that help you with using the internet: http://www.cyndislist.com/internet.htm And I thought, I knew everything about using the internet! This is a great section on her site that provides the tools & instructions to build your own web site: http://www.cyndislist.com/construc.htm If I only knew about this one before I started my first web page project. How simple it would have been! Even the tools are here to let you do it. Friendly Software, tools to put your site on the search engines, automated method of putting keywords in the right place on your web site so the search engines will find your site and know what's in it, where to find free web space on an internet server. The whole nine yards! There is not enough room to show all the good things on Cyndi's web site pages. No doubt most of you have " been there, seen that or done that", so for those of you who haven't, and those that haven't been there recently, check it out! Her main page is at: http://www.cyndislist.com I hope this is of help to all of you! Thanks Cyndi! You even have my web site listed on SW Co. Down, now you can't get better than that! Ha Ha! Norm Ruddock

The following is from www.seanruad.com Townland Acres County Civil Parish Poor Law Union(PLU) Ballylibert 109 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Caherbeg 375 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Camus 320 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Carrigfadeen 138 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Carrigroe 559 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Castlefreke 324 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Castlefreke-island 245 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Castlefreke-warren 178 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Donoure 416 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Dundeady 354 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Ganniv Beg 155 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Ganniv More 146 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Gortagrenane 129 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Kilkeran 560 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Knockaphonery 156 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Knocknagappul 102 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Lisduff 161 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Little-Island 111 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Maulatrahane 79 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Milltown 106 Cork, Rathbarry Clonakilty Rathbarry Civil Parish is in the RC Parishes of Ardfield & Rathberry in the Dioceses of Cork & Ross Bill Fahy

I notice the questions about records of landlords with tenants. Is there a way to check to see if your ancestor was a tenant of a landlord? Peg

Hi all, I am a new member to this list and this is my first message. I am looking for any help with the following MORGAN family. A widow, Ann Morgan, and her children Charles (21), Mary Ann (17), Margaret (16), Fanny (14), and James (11), all residents of County Cork, sailed to New Zealand in 1842. Mary Ann is my Gt Gt Grandmother, and from her marriage we learn that her parents names were Jacob Morgan and Ann (nee Green) >From the above ages we can conclude Jacob/Ann's marriage was probably around 1820, the children were born between 1821 and 1831 and Jacob died between 1831 and 1842. The family were Catholic. Firstly, does anyone have a connection to, or knowledge of this family. Failing that, can someone with knowledge of Cork parish records advise whether I am likely to find any details of the marriage, births and death, and, if so, how best to go about it. Regards John Beaton Brisbane, Australia

Please, can anyone tell me where a place called Rayberry/Rathberry is located in Cork? Thanks, Susan Orlie

I think perhaps the name should be spelled Mochler. The Mochlers were a family of Jewish tailors who traded in Cork for many years. They were also furriers, selling fur coats etc. They closed their business about twenty yeara ago. Regards Frank Nash

Well, after absent-mindedly posting this to the Kerry list, here goes again: Damien Hynes <djh@alphalink.com.au> An Australian doing research in SW Cork posted a message to the Rootsweb Co Cork board about two years ago. His email address has expired, and I am trying to find him. Have any of you run across a Damien Hynes? I take it he is an Australian. He was researching Blairs in SW Cork. I tried the Australian white pages, but you need to know too much information for me to use it; and it shows nothing but first initial so I cannot know which D is Damien. Thanks for any help. Elizabeth KnowltonEW@Compuserve.com

I am looking for a family called Moakler. Mary Moakler, born Cork, 1852, emigrated to Australia where she married Peter Gay, in 1873 in Melbourne. I have not been able to find a Moakler family in Ireland. Can anyone help? jack

Could it be Moakley a more common name in West Cork? Bill Fahy

If you have access to a LDS Family History Center try looking for his birth in the yearly indexes for civil registration of births in Ireland, they start in 1864. Send the index details to Dublin GRO for a photocopy of the complete entry from the registers. If you know any of his siblings first names search for them also. The birth registrations give both parents names, search for their marriage in the marriage indexes. Colman Ahern, Berkeley. Edward Barry wrote: > My. father, Daniel J. Barry, was born circa 1898 in County Cork. He was one of 13 children. He emigrated to America and married Beatrice McGrevey (County Down) in 1934 in New York City. They had 8 children, Daniel, Frances, Kevin, Edward, John, Michael, James and Julia. He died in New York City in 1947. He had two sisters that I know of who lived in Beverly Massachusetts. I have no vital records and little family background at this time. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. > > ==== CountyCork Mailing List ==== > ** To contact the listowner, send a message to mpetzolt2@webtv.net **

There might be Kingston estate records in the following, page 148 in Ryan's: "The Origins of Co. Cork Kingstons." J. Cork Hist. & Arch. Soc. 76 (1981): 75-99. Try emailing Cork City Library for photocopies of the article. See if the LDS have "Manuscript Sources for the Study of Irish Civilization" by Richard Hayes, its a guide or catalogue of what is available re estate records and where they can be found. Iff you are interested in the period after Griffith's Survey, again the LDS may have the Cancelled Land Valuation Books on film for Kilworth, they are very informative. Look under Land Records on their website. Colman Ahern, Berkeley. Jay Kubik wrote: > Hi List - > > Does anyone know if the above exist. The Earl of Kingston was the landlord for my ancestors who lived in County Cork, Kilworth Parish, Gortnaskehy townland. I have not been able to find these records at LDS & the NLI did not answer my email. I also consulted James Ryan's book. Anyone seen these records? Where are they located? > > Thanks alot. > > Jeannine > > ==== CountyCork Mailing List ==== > **SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage for searching in all of Ireland http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS **

My. father, Daniel J. Barry, was born circa 1898 in County Cork. He was one of 13 children. He emigrated to America and married Beatrice McGrevey (County Down) in 1934 in New York City. They had 8 children, Daniel, Frances, Kevin, Edward, John, Michael, James and Julia. He died in New York City in 1947. He had two sisters that I know of who lived in Beverly Massachusetts. I have no vital records and little family background at this time. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Hi everyone I would like to re-post interests. Have traced my family from Ireland to Egremont & /or Cleator in Cumberland thence to Greenside, Co-Durham thence to Wallsend on Tyne, Northumberland. Iron ore and coal miners. Others came via Hamilton, Lanarkshire. Nicholas McAVOY gg-grandfather b.abt 1826 (Ire);m.Ann MECKEN b.abt 1832 Children:- Patrick McAVOY g-grandfather b.1850 (Ire);m.Catherine KINNEYb.1858; Children;James Mc.b1876;Annie Mcb.1878 Eliza Mcb.1880;Edward Mc.b1888(gf) Catherine McAVOY b. 1852 Eleanor McAVOY b.1854 Nicholas McAVOY b.1859 (Ire) Ellen McAVOY b. 1857 (Egre) Edward McAVOY b.1864 Joannnes McAVOY b.1866 John McAVOY b.1868 sons John b.1904 an Nicholas b.1904 (twins) Mary A McAVOY b.1868 Bridget McAVOY b. 1879 Other surnames tied by marriage to above inc. TODD, TIPLADY, FOY, ROONEY, MAXWELL, KREBS. Pleased to hear from anyone who can identify a connection to above and especially Hamilton where I have had no success. My stumbling block is finding out where in Ireland my gg-grandfather was born. Think Cork but not certain. E-Mail: EddyOrion@aol.com Genealogist Researching: Eddy McAvoy Surname:-McAVOY McKEEN, WATSON. WALTON 10 Barbourne Close COCKBURN, DRUMMOND, Hillfield Cork, Lanarkshire, SOLIHULL.,West Midlands Cumberland, Northumberland & Durham B91 3TL

Does anyone have access to the "Irish Genealogical Foundation", Publications: "Family Amagh, Cork Ireland" "Irish census 1700-1900" "Families co. Cork, Ireland" "Books of survey and distribution co. Cork, ireland" Sincerely Mr Bob Worthington E-Mail objwbook@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Hi List - Does anyone know if the above exist. The Earl of Kingston was the landlord for my ancestors who lived in County Cork, Kilworth Parish, Gortnaskehy townland. I have not been able to find these records at LDS & the NLI did not answer my email. I also consulted James Ryan's book. Anyone seen these records? Where are they located? Thanks alot. Jeannine