Fascinating reading, David. Thank you so much for posting this. Best wishes, Moira Clevedon, Somerset Researching FORDE, DOODY, CUMMINS, CONNELLY, McDONNELL, HAZEL, REID and BRADFIELD in Co. Cork; DOODY (possibly) in Co. Waterford; CHURCH in Co. Leitrim; BEWLEY, SAUNDERS and GALBRAITH in Dublin > -----Original Message----- > From: David N Murray [mailto:dmurray@totalnetnh.net] > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 06:57 > To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Cork] The Blackwater Region and Ontario, Canada > > > The Blackwater Region and Ontario, Canada > by Christy Roche > > When you look at a map and see Fermoy, Glanworth, Kilworth, > Ballygiblin and > Blackwater on it, you might be certain you were looking at a map of North > Cork; however, these all these place names are also to be found on the map > of Southern Ontario. > > The reason for, dates back to the early 1800s and a man called Peter > Robinson. He was born in Canada in 1785 and became Commissioner of Crown > lands and immigration superintendent. His younger brother, Sir John > Beverley Robinson, was the attorney general in the [Fermoy] region. Peter > Robinson supervised two settlements of North Cork immigrants in Ontario. > The first of these in 1823 was at Shipman’s Mills, Almonte and the second > was at Scott’s Mills, Petersborough. > > The Canadian Government at that time were looking for farmers to > settle and > develop agriculture in their country and in order to obtain the right sort > of settler they paid the passage for the farmer and his whole family and > granted him seventy acres. As most of the land holdings in > pre-Famine North > Cork were ten acres or less, this Canadian holding must have seemed > attractive to the impoverished Irish small farmer. To be > eligible for this > package one had to be under 45 years of age and have a > recommendation from a > landlord, magistrate or clergyman. > > 70 Acres > > Every male between the ages of 18 and 45 was entitled to 70 acres and an > iron pot and each group of families also got four cross-cut saws, 12 land > saws, 12 hammers and a cask of nails. > > 200 Families > > In the 1823 settlement there were almost 200 families and they came from > throughout North Cork, South Limerick and West Waterford. > > 22 families came from Norrey’s Estate in Mallow, 15 from the O’Callaghan > (10) and Devonshire (5) Estates in Lismore, 10 from Castlelyons > (Barrymore), > 10 from Kanturk (Purcell Estate) 9 from Doneraile, 8 from the > Sanders Estate > of Charleville, 8 from the Aldworth Estates at Newmarket and > Ballyhooley, 11 > from Fermoy - Abercrombie Estate (6) Hyde Estate (3) and Gregg > Estate (2), 7 > from Churchtown (Earl of Edgemount), 7 from the Earl of Kingston's Estates > in Mitchelstown and Tipperary, 3 from Rathcormac (Lord Riversdale), 2 from > Conna (Gumbleton), 3 from the south Limerick Estate of the > Oliver's, 2 from > the Mountcashel Estate in Kilworth, 9 from Castletownroche, > Stennard Estate > (3), Mitchelsmith Estate (4), Widenham Estate (1) and Annisby Estate (1). > > As can be seen from the above list, they came from throughout the entire > area, with Mallow and Lismore supplying the most. > > On June 30 1823 two ships, “Stakesby” (438 tons), and “Hebe” (446 > tons) set > sail from Cobh and just over two months later, arrived in Canada. Two > passengers on board the Stakesby, Bridget Ahern (August 6) and Jane Ahern > (July 29) died. These were probably mother and daughter and were from > Castletownroche. The settlers spent the winter in Almonte and in > the spring > of 1824 went to their allotted locations. > > Most of the families settled down well and expanded. Roger Cunningham of > Grange, Fermoy who together with his wife Margaret and daughters Mary, > Catherine and Anne had sailed aboard the “Hebe”, had another > child in Canada > and obtained a second plot of 70 acres in Canada, when his neighbor left. > > Some like Michael Lynch, a millwright from Castletownroche, Dennis Sweeney > (nailer) from Buttevant and James Magner (laborer) from Mallow > went south to > the United States of America. Others like Cornelius Roche of Fermoy > (Blacksmith), Richard Wynne, Kanturk (carpenter), Edmund Barry, > Castletownroche (baker), James Seywary, Castletownroche (shoemaker) and > Cornelius Donovan, Fermoy (sawyer) returned to their trades. > > Twelve went absent and left their holdings. Tragedy also struck when John > Trench, Mallow; John Delahary, Mallow and Florence Carey of > Ballyhooley were > drowned in 1825. One man returned to Ireland. He was Robert Smithwick, a > single man from Mitchelstown. > > The second settlement took place in 1825 and again the people > came from the > same general area and settled about 100 miles west of the first group. > There were some objections by Protestant Canadians to the influx of such a > large number of Roman Catholics. Indeed apart from 10 Palatine families > from Limerick, the remainders of these families were Roman Catholic. The > religious difference caused few problems, however, and apart from “the > Ballygiblin riots”, a somewhat minor confrontation; the settlers lived in > peace with their neighbors. > > ______________________________

These came from the index of marriages in the above magazine:- Capt J NEWMAN of HMS Mermaid m Miss BRACE of Bennet Street, St James, April 1798 Dora NEWMAN m Rev Richard MEAD1802 George NEWMAN of Kinsale m Miss LITCHFIELD at Cork, June 1809 Henrietta NEWMAN m William BEAMISH 1809 Hope these are of interest. Lindy Newman www.lindynewman.co.uk

Will the person from Australia or New Zealand who e-mailed me about a month ago regarding surname DELAY and similar names please contact me again? Sorry, but I've lost your e-mail address. Thanks, Tom O'Hare, Buffalo, N.Y., USA

Was there a Colbert amongst them? Linley Hooper Hawthorn, Victoria Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "David N Murray" <dmurray@totalnetnh.net> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2002 15:56 Subject: [Cork] The Blackwater Region and Ontario, Canada > The Blackwater Region and Ontario, Canada > by Christy Roche > > When you look at a map and see Fermoy, Glanworth, Kilworth, Ballygiblin and > Blackwater on it, you might be certain you were looking at a map of North > Cork; however, these all these place names are also to be found on the map > of Southern Ontario. > > The reason for, dates back to the early 1800s and a man called Peter > Robinson. He was born in Canada in 1785 and became Commissioner of Crown > lands and immigration superintendent. His younger brother, Sir John > Beverley Robinson, was the attorney general in the [Fermoy] region. Peter > Robinson supervised two settlements of North Cork immigrants in Ontario. > The first of these in 1823 was at Shipman’s Mills, Almonte and the second > was at Scott’s Mills, Petersborough. > > The Canadian Government at that time were looking for farmers to settle and > develop agriculture in their country and in order to obtain the right sort > of settler they paid the passage for the farmer and his whole family and > granted him seventy acres. As most of the land holdings in pre-Famine North > Cork were ten acres or less, this Canadian holding must have seemed > attractive to the impoverished Irish small farmer. To be eligible for this > package one had to be under 45 years of age and have a recommendation from a > landlord, magistrate or clergyman. > > 70 Acres > > Every male between the ages of 18 and 45 was entitled to 70 acres and an > iron pot and each group of families also got four cross-cut saws, 12 land > saws, 12 hammers and a cask of nails. > > 200 Families > > In the 1823 settlement there were almost 200 families and they came from > throughout North Cork, South Limerick and West Waterford. > > 22 families came from Norrey’s Estate in Mallow, 15 from the O’ Callaghan > (10) and Devonshire (5) Estates in Lismore, 10 from Castlelyons (Barrymore), > 10 from Kanturk (Purcell Estate) 9 from Doneraile, 8 from the Sanders Estate > of Charleville, 8 from the Aldworth Estates at Newmarket and Ballyhooley, 11 > from Fermoy - Abercrombie Estate (6) Hyde Estate (3) and Gregg Estate (2), 7 > from Churchtown (Earl of Edgemount), 7 from the Earl of Kingston's Estates > in Mitchelstown and Tipperary, 3 from Rathcormac (Lord Riversdale), 2 from > Conna (Gumbleton), 3 from the south Limerick Estate of the Oliver's, 2 from > the Mountcashel Estate in Kilworth, 9 from Castletownroche, Stennard Estate > (3), Mitchelsmith Estate (4), Widenham Estate (1) and Annisby Estate (1). > > As can be seen from the above list, they came from throughout the entire > area, with Mallow and Lismore supplying the most. > > On June 30 1823 two ships, “Stakesby” (438 tons), and “Hebe” (446 tons) set > sail from Cobh and just over two months later, arrived in Canada. Two > passengers on board the Stakesby, Bridget Ahern (August 6) and Jane Ahern > (July 29) died. These were probably mother and daughter and were from > Castletownroche. The settlers spent the winter in Almonte and in the spring > of 1824 went to their allotted locations. > > Most of the families settled down well and expanded. Roger Cunningham of > Grange, Fermoy who together with his wife Margaret and daughters Mary, > Catherine and Anne had sailed aboard the “Hebe”, had another child in Canada > and obtained a second plot of 70 acres in Canada, when his neighbor left. > > Some like Michael Lynch, a millwright from Castletownroche, Dennis Sweeney > (nailer) from Buttevant and James Magner (laborer) from Mallow went south to > the United States of America. Others like Cornelius Roche of Fermoy > (Blacksmith), Richard Wynne, Kanturk (carpenter), Edmund Barry, > Castletownroche (baker), James Seywary, Castletownroche (shoemaker) and > Cornelius Donovan, Fermoy (sawyer) returned to their trades. > > Twelve went absent and left their holdings. Tragedy also struck when John > Trench, Mallow; John Delahary, Mallow and Florence Carey of Ballyhooley were > drowned in 1825. One man returned to Ireland. He was Robert Smithwick, a > single man from Mitchelstown. > > The second settlement took place in 1825 and again the people came from the > same general area and settled about 100 miles west of the first group. > There were some objections by Protestant Canadians to the influx of such a > large number of Roman Catholics. Indeed apart from 10 Palatine families > from Limerick, the remainders of these families were Roman Catholic. The > religious difference caused few problems, however, and apart from “the > Ballygiblin riots”, a somewhat minor confrontation; the settlers lived in > peace with their neighbors. > > > > > ==== CountyCork Mailing List ==== > ** Posts go to CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com ** > >

House Books, in the Valuation Office in Dublin contain information similar to that found in Griffith's Valuation for a period of time preceding 1852. Probably about 1848. I have never seen them myself, but I have had information extracted from them that was useful The Valuation Office never allows any copying of the House Books. Many are just half A4 size (whatever that size is ?). There are several types of books associated with compiling for Griffiths Valuation and the House Books are just one type - but they don't exist for every part of Ireland. There are other books in the Valuation Office which are associated with the Rate Books which many people don't ask about. For example, one is the Perambulation Book (if you can believe such a name) and the other is the Field Book. I don't think they have a great deal of info. in them though. All are available for inspection, but not photocopying. Perhaps if someone on this list knows more they can explain further. Dave

David: Thank you for this information. I have an order pending in the valuation office now and I have just emailed them to include the above data.....It was not given to me on a prior order. Jeannine

A 'QUICK SURNAME LIST - 1825 - PETER ROBINSON IRISH SETTLERS' can be found at: http://www.pcma.ca/roblist.htm Regards, Donnacha (Admin milgenire Military History/Genealogy Ireland. List Home Page http://groups.yahoo.com/group/milgenire ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linley Hooper" <linleymh@vicnet.net.au> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [Cork] The Blackwater Region and Ontario, Canada > Was there a Colbert amongst them? > > Linley Hooper > Hawthorn, Victoria > Australia

Edward White b. approx 1842. M. Margaret Hurley 1867 (b. 1850 at Kilmoylerane, Enniskeane) - at Ayohill. Raised 9 children at Kilrush in Enniskeane. All moved to Boston by 1898. Edward died in 1929, Margaret in 1936, both in Boston. Brother Patrick b. 1849/50. Married Margaret Keane by 1882. Raised 7 children at Mallowgaton in Bandon. Patrick is said to have died in Boston, > 1920 ... Margaret < 1920. Brother John b. 1861/62. M. Hannah O'Leary (b. 1865/66). Raised 6 children ... at Skeaf in Clonakilty for a bit. Family moved to Midleton at some point. John died in Midleton 1847 .. Hannah in 1930. Most of the children moved to the US. After several years of researching, still cannot find where the brothers were born in Ireland. Their parents were James and Mary Shannahan White.

The Blackwater Region and Ontario, Canada by Christy Roche When you look at a map and see Fermoy, Glanworth, Kilworth, Ballygiblin and Blackwater on it, you might be certain you were looking at a map of North Cork; however, these all these place names are also to be found on the map of Southern Ontario. The reason for, dates back to the early 1800s and a man called Peter Robinson. He was born in Canada in 1785 and became Commissioner of Crown lands and immigration superintendent. His younger brother, Sir John Beverley Robinson, was the attorney general in the [Fermoy] region. Peter Robinson supervised two settlements of North Cork immigrants in Ontario. The first of these in 1823 was at Shipman’s Mills, Almonte and the second was at Scott’s Mills, Petersborough. The Canadian Government at that time were looking for farmers to settle and develop agriculture in their country and in order to obtain the right sort of settler they paid the passage for the farmer and his whole family and granted him seventy acres. As most of the land holdings in pre-Famine North Cork were ten acres or less, this Canadian holding must have seemed attractive to the impoverished Irish small farmer. To be eligible for this package one had to be under 45 years of age and have a recommendation from a landlord, magistrate or clergyman. 70 Acres Every male between the ages of 18 and 45 was entitled to 70 acres and an iron pot and each group of families also got four cross-cut saws, 12 land saws, 12 hammers and a cask of nails. 200 Families In the 1823 settlement there were almost 200 families and they came from throughout North Cork, South Limerick and West Waterford. 22 families came from Norrey’s Estate in Mallow, 15 from the O’Callaghan (10) and Devonshire (5) Estates in Lismore, 10 from Castlelyons (Barrymore), 10 from Kanturk (Purcell Estate) 9 from Doneraile, 8 from the Sanders Estate of Charleville, 8 from the Aldworth Estates at Newmarket and Ballyhooley, 11 from Fermoy - Abercrombie Estate (6) Hyde Estate (3) and Gregg Estate (2), 7 from Churchtown (Earl of Edgemount), 7 from the Earl of Kingston's Estates in Mitchelstown and Tipperary, 3 from Rathcormac (Lord Riversdale), 2 from Conna (Gumbleton), 3 from the south Limerick Estate of the Oliver's, 2 from the Mountcashel Estate in Kilworth, 9 from Castletownroche, Stennard Estate (3), Mitchelsmith Estate (4), Widenham Estate (1) and Annisby Estate (1). As can be seen from the above list, they came from throughout the entire area, with Mallow and Lismore supplying the most. On June 30 1823 two ships, “Stakesby” (438 tons), and “Hebe” (446 tons) set sail from Cobh and just over two months later, arrived in Canada. Two passengers on board the Stakesby, Bridget Ahern (August 6) and Jane Ahern (July 29) died. These were probably mother and daughter and were from Castletownroche. The settlers spent the winter in Almonte and in the spring of 1824 went to their allotted locations. Most of the families settled down well and expanded. Roger Cunningham of Grange, Fermoy who together with his wife Margaret and daughters Mary, Catherine and Anne had sailed aboard the “Hebe”, had another child in Canada and obtained a second plot of 70 acres in Canada, when his neighbor left. Some like Michael Lynch, a millwright from Castletownroche, Dennis Sweeney (nailer) from Buttevant and James Magner (laborer) from Mallow went south to the United States of America. Others like Cornelius Roche of Fermoy (Blacksmith), Richard Wynne, Kanturk (carpenter), Edmund Barry, Castletownroche (baker), James Seywary, Castletownroche (shoemaker) and Cornelius Donovan, Fermoy (sawyer) returned to their trades. Twelve went absent and left their holdings. Tragedy also struck when John Trench, Mallow; John Delahary, Mallow and Florence Carey of Ballyhooley were drowned in 1825. One man returned to Ireland. He was Robert Smithwick, a single man from Mitchelstown. The second settlement took place in 1825 and again the people came from the same general area and settled about 100 miles west of the first group. There were some objections by Protestant Canadians to the influx of such a large number of Roman Catholics. Indeed apart from 10 Palatine families from Limerick, the remainders of these families were Roman Catholic. The religious difference caused few problems, however, and apart from “the Ballygiblin riots”, a somewhat minor confrontation; the settlers lived in peace with their neighbors.

In 1850 -thirty years before- it took my Vickery family 6 weeks to make the crossing from Ireland -- but they came by sailing ship and the destination was New Orleans rather than New York. One would guess the crossing took much longer than had been anticipated, because they had to ration water and the family had to further stretch their supply to bathe the baby when a pregnant daughter gave birth en route ! Barbara Rice Lafayette IN

Cork and Ross Wills, 1548-1800. p. 62 Kean, John, Kinsale, 1782 Keane, Esther, Cork, 1798 Keane, Timothy, Castletownsend, 1783 Keanes (or Canes), Dorothy, Kinsale, 1690 Keanes, Thomas, H.M.S. "Greyhound" 1707

Can anyone tell me how long it took to cross from Cohb to NYC in 1880? The records I have say my great grandparents sailed on March 17th in 1880 and the naturalization papers say they arrived on or about April 1st 1880. That seems to short a time to have made the trip in those days. Nancy Kie

Hi; Index of the Fiants of Elizabeth I pps 368-9, 373-4. Kean, John, pardon, 3651. "of Rathbegan, co. Meath., farmer." Kean, Teige, pardon, 3651. ditto Kean (or Cahall), Tho., priest, pardon, 6200. "of Cornelscourte". Kene, Margaret, pardon, 1784. "gentlewoman" of the city of Waterford, co. Waterford. Kene, Patrick, robbed, 503. Patrick Kene is mentioned in 503 as having been robbed of three cows, by the local butcher. Here is the actual text. 503. Pardon to Patrick O Morre, of Nace, county Kildare, butcher: indicted for the robbery of five cows, value 20 s. each, from Patrick Kene, of Ladinton, husbandsman, and three cows from Roland Seix, [Sisk] of Lowiston, gent. - 7 Mar 1562-3. Dave

Hello; ========== Elizabeth I Index p. 17 Arkin, in Great Arin Island, manor of, 5121. Fiant 5121 page 43. Grant [18 Dec 1587] to Morah ne doe O Flahertie, knt. of all manors, castles, lands and services in the castle of....... To hold for ever, by the service of a twentieth part of a knight's fee, as of the manor of Arkin, in the great island of Arin. 12 Jan 1587-8. Henry VIII, Edward VI, Philip and Mary. - No entries for Arkin. Elizabeth I, Edward VI, Henry VIII, Philip and Mary - No entries for Shortis. =========== Index to Irish Wills - No Shortis or Arkin in any county. Index to Prerogative Wills of Ireland 1536-1810 No Arkin or Shortis. =========== Dave

Michael Geogehgan. number 11619 Michael Gahagan 17912 Michael Gargan 54461 Michael Gaughan 41335 Michael Gavigan 26085 Im looking for the alleged Tallest man in the RIC.... found as GEYGEN I cannot decide which one to go for... These are from Mr Herlily's Index of members of the RIC Jo My newsletters, including Volume nine, are at: www.jgeoghegan.org.uk and at: www.btinternet.com/~finty/

Rita, Like many another you are getting your parishes mixed up. Bonane is the older name of the Roman Catholic Parish of Glengarriff, which is in the Civil Parish of Kilcaskan. The only townland in Kilcaskan, remotely like Mulleens, is Monteensudder. It could either be a transcription error or a misspelling. Bill Fahy

Would anyone have the location of townland, Mulleens, Parish, Bonane? I cannot find it on my map. It is around the Beara Peninsula. Thank you. Rita

Hi, Cork Advertiser Tu 24 1804 - on Sunday at Scraggs Head, the lady of Captain Ferguson of the 17th Regt of Foot, of a dau. Anybody know where this place is? I've checked the IreAtlas Townland Database and Google without luck. Cheers, Colin Ferguson

FYI,.,,,You have the Bad Trans 32 virus. I responded to you Norrie message and just got one from you with an attachment that had the virus but my virus protector caught it.

Bill, You have to use the site properly...many times the townland is misspelled ....for instance if you place the first part "ballyc" in the townland area and then under Search Method "At beginning of field" you get the following; Ballycarnane 162 Cork, E.R. Imokilly Killeagh Youghal Munster Bill Fahy