Could someone tell me where Townland's Rathduve and Raughduve were or are today? They were in Co Cork in the 1840's. Thank You Jerry Walsh Jerry_walsh@msn.com

A young lady of County Cork descent is competing on the ABC Good Morning America contest to win a wedding in Times Square New York City. The winner is determined by email vote. Please help us. She is Christy Collins and she needs your vote. The URL to vote is: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmerica/GMA020422_EngagedCouples .html Please vote and ask anyone else on your email lists to vote. Thank you for your support, Rich Collins

Moira, A slight correction on your discription of the 1825 Robinson migration. My ancestor, William Hanan, who came from Tallow, County Waterford, was Protestant, not Catholic, and was on this migration. He was Methodist in Peterborough and came from a C of I family in Tallow. Tim Hannan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moira Forde" <mmforde@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 7:34 PM Subject: RE: [Cork] The Blackwater Region and Ontario, Canada > Fascinating reading, David. Thank you so much for posting this. > > Best wishes, > > Moira > > Clevedon, Somerset > Researching FORDE, DOODY, CUMMINS, CONNELLY, McDONNELL, HAZEL, REID and > BRADFIELD in Co. Cork; DOODY (possibly) in Co. Waterford; CHURCH in Co. > Leitrim; BEWLEY, SAUNDERS and GALBRAITH in Dublin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David N Murray [mailto:dmurray@totalnetnh.net] > > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 06:57 > > To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [Cork] The Blackwater Region and Ontario, Canada > > > > > > The Blackwater Region and Ontario, Canada > > by Christy Roche > > > > When you look at a map and see Fermoy, Glanworth, Kilworth, > > Ballygiblin and > > Blackwater on it, you might be certain you were looking at a map of North > > Cork; however, these all these place names are also to be found on the map > > of Southern Ontario. > > > > The reason for, dates back to the early 1800s and a man called Peter > > Robinson. He was born in Canada in 1785 and became Commissioner of Crown > > lands and immigration superintendent. His younger brother, Sir John > > Beverley Robinson, was the attorney general in the [Fermoy] region. Peter > > Robinson supervised two settlements of North Cork immigrants in Ontario. > > The first of these in 1823 was at Shipman's Mills, Almonte and the second > > was at Scott's Mills, Petersborough. > > > > The Canadian Government at that time were looking for farmers to > > settle and > > develop agriculture in their country and in order to obtain the right sort > > of settler they paid the passage for the farmer and his whole family and > > granted him seventy acres. As most of the land holdings in > > pre-Famine North > > Cork were ten acres or less, this Canadian holding must have seemed > > attractive to the impoverished Irish small farmer. To be > > eligible for this > > package one had to be under 45 years of age and have a > > recommendation from a > > landlord, magistrate or clergyman. > > > > 70 Acres > > > > Every male between the ages of 18 and 45 was entitled to 70 acres and an > > iron pot and each group of families also got four cross-cut saws, 12 land > > saws, 12 hammers and a cask of nails. > > > > 200 Families > > > > In the 1823 settlement there were almost 200 families and they came from > > throughout North Cork, South Limerick and West Waterford. > > > > 22 families came from Norrey's Estate in Mallow, 15 from the O'Callaghan > > (10) and Devonshire (5) Estates in Lismore, 10 from Castlelyons > > (Barrymore), > > 10 from Kanturk (Purcell Estate) 9 from Doneraile, 8 from the > > Sanders Estate > > of Charleville, 8 from the Aldworth Estates at Newmarket and > > Ballyhooley, 11 > > from Fermoy - Abercrombie Estate (6) Hyde Estate (3) and Gregg > > Estate (2), 7 > > from Churchtown (Earl of Edgemount), 7 from the Earl of Kingston's Estates > > in Mitchelstown and Tipperary, 3 from Rathcormac (Lord Riversdale), 2 from > > Conna (Gumbleton), 3 from the south Limerick Estate of the > > Oliver's, 2 from > > the Mountcashel Estate in Kilworth, 9 from Castletownroche, > > Stennard Estate > > (3), Mitchelsmith Estate (4), Widenham Estate (1) and Annisby Estate (1). > > > > As can be seen from the above list, they came from throughout the entire > > area, with Mallow and Lismore supplying the most. > > > > On June 30 1823 two ships, "Stakesby" (438 tons), and "Hebe" (446 > > tons) set > > sail from Cobh and just over two months later, arrived in Canada. Two > > passengers on board the Stakesby, Bridget Ahern (August 6) and Jane Ahern > > (July 29) died. These were probably mother and daughter and were from > > Castletownroche. The settlers spent the winter in Almonte and in > > the spring > > of 1824 went to their allotted locations. > > > > Most of the families settled down well and expanded. Roger Cunningham of > > Grange, Fermoy who together with his wife Margaret and daughters Mary, > > Catherine and Anne had sailed aboard the "Hebe", had another > > child in Canada > > and obtained a second plot of 70 acres in Canada, when his neighbor left. > > > > Some like Michael Lynch, a millwright from Castletownroche, Dennis Sweeney > > (nailer) from Buttevant and James Magner (laborer) from Mallow > > went south to > > the United States of America. Others like Cornelius Roche of Fermoy > > (Blacksmith), Richard Wynne, Kanturk (carpenter), Edmund Barry, > > Castletownroche (baker), James Seywary, Castletownroche (shoemaker) and > > Cornelius Donovan, Fermoy (sawyer) returned to their trades. > > > > Twelve went absent and left their holdings. Tragedy also struck when John > > Trench, Mallow; John Delahary, Mallow and Florence Carey of > > Ballyhooley were > > drowned in 1825. One man returned to Ireland. He was Robert Smithwick, a > > single man from Mitchelstown. > > > > The second settlement took place in 1825 and again the people > > came from the > > same general area and settled about 100 miles west of the first group. > > There were some objections by Protestant Canadians to the influx of such a > > large number of Roman Catholics. Indeed apart from 10 Palatine families > > from Limerick, the remainders of these families were Roman Catholic. The > > religious difference caused few problems, however, and apart from "the > > Ballygiblin riots", a somewhat minor confrontation; the settlers lived in > > peace with their neighbors. > > > > ______________________________ > > ______________________________

Can anyone tell me where COACHFORD is, please. Also would anyone know of a house called ROCKVILLE or ROCKGLEN near there. Thank you Lorraine EGAN

I attempted to sed a message today to GenSocIreland@iol.ie the following appeared on the screen " server error 550 message to GSI prohibited by Administrator" Im sure Ive paid my subs...surely an old lady wouldnt be persona non grata ..sigh Ive been good.. Josi My newsletters, including Volume nine, are at: www.jgeoghegan.org.uk and at: www.btinternet.com/~finty/

Lorraine at loreg@bigpond.com writes: << Can anyone tell me where COACHFORD is, please. Also would anyone know of a house called ROCKVILLE or ROCKGLEN near there. >> Lorraine, The town of Coachford, in Magouney civil parish, is located about midway between Ballincollig and Macroom. It's on the N shore of the Lee, at the intersection of the R 618 and R 619 roads. I don't find a Rockville or Rockglen in that area, but there is a townland of Rockgrove in the parish, a little over a mile to the NW of Coachford town. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Hi Terry, These may not help, but here are some Cronin names I found. From: Guy's Cork Almanac, County & City Directory, 1914, pg...413 Under "Millstreet:" Under the "Electoral div. Keale:" Cronin, John, J., Ploverfield Cronin, Mrs., J.J., Gorteenafinogue: And Under "Newsagents:" Cronin C Sorry, no Stephen, or Hanora, but they may have passed on before 1914. Best of luck, Dan King, Northfield, NH > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [Cork] CRONIN enquiry > Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:21:36 +0100 > From: "Jackie & Terry" <chanters1@freenetname.co.uk> > To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi, I am new to Cork listers and I wonder if anyone can please help me a bit further into the county with any tree including Stephen CRONIN, born ca.1831. I traced him in the 1901 Census in Ummeraboy West townland, Millstreet, with wife Hanora but can't get back from there. According to my present relatives the whole family were in the same townland in 1886-8 but I am hitting the wall getting any positive evidence. The family name is also mentioned in the townland in Griffiths Valuation 1852 but the first names don't connect true. Can anyone offer a Stephen ? > Thanks in advance, Terry > > ______________________________ > >

There is a search facility on a limited record set now available at the PRO website. Use 'Search the catalogue' at http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/ If you enter cork militia in 1 you should get 181 hits. All but a handful of these refer to records in WO 97, (WO = War Office and WO 97 are the Soldiers Discharge and Pension Records). Of course these returned entries are not the records but merely a descriptive heading but they will give you the name, usually the place of birth and any other regiments the man served in together with the date to which the records refer and the full WO97 catalogue reference. (For more you would either have to personally visit the PRO and access the record or have this done by a researcher in place). Regards, Donnacha (Admin milgenire Military History/Genealogy Ireland. List Home Page http://groups.yahoo.com/group/milgenire ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Egan" <loreg@bigpond.com> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:13 PM Subject: [Cork] CORK MILITIA RECORDS. > Can anyone tell me where I can obtain Cork Militia records? Also what is email address of Cork main library. Thank you Lorraine EGAN >

I am attempting to contact Marie McCarthy Finn regarding a posting she placed on the GenForum McCarthy surname list in August 2000. I have discovered that her grandfather and mine were brothers and would like to share additional information regarding the family. Please contact me off list if you are Marie or can help me contact her. Thank you. Kathleen (Gallagher) Brearton Wynantskill NY KyBrrt@aol.com

Following on all the current interest in the Blackwater-Fermoy area. I am looking to verify if this is my Lyons family. Original research details: Patrick William Lyons - sometimes referred to as Patrick other times referred to as William. First turns up in Balan Victoria in 1862 as witness to a marriage of John Dwyer, brother of the girl that he eventually marries. His birth age is approx 1835/36. He marries in New Zealand a Bridget Dwyer from Borrisoleigh, Tipperary (she's pregnant so they both left Victoria) 1866. On his marriage certificate it states he is from Fermoy and his father is John Lyons. After requesting three seperate searches through Mallow Heritage Centre, and a coup;e of trips myself to Ireland and a number of letters to parish priests I believe he belongs to the following family. William Lyons born 1835 son of John Lyons and Ellen Sullivan (married 1833 Mtichelstown) siblings John Lyons 1837, Elizabeth 1840 (Or is this Alice see 1851 griffiths for Kilworth) Ellen 1842 and Martin 1845. Other sponsor names associated with this family include Condon, Mackey, Bowler, Hogan, Mohir, Lynch and Kelleher. I will be traveling to the area in May and am hoping to further confirm that the family from Mitchelstown/Kilworth is the family of Patrick William Lyons 1835-1910 buried in Victoria Australia Gay O'Neill Western Australia _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Hi, I am new to Cork listers and I wonder if anyone can please help me a bit further into the county with any tree including Stephen CRONIN, born ca.1831. I traced him in the 1901 Census in Ummeraboy West townland, Millstreet, with wife Hanora but can't get back from there. According to my present relatives the whole family were in the same townland in 1886-8 but I am hitting the wall getting any positive evidence. The family name is also mentioned in the townland in Griffiths Valuation 1852 but the first names don't connect true. Can anyone offer a Stephen ? Thanks in advance, Terry

Nora, It is not. The National Library in Dublin has microfilms #POS4802 & #POS4803 with baptisms and marriages from approx 1788-1880. Bill Fahy

Is the catholic parish of Bantry part of the Casey Volumes? Thanks in advance Nora

Bette, Banteer is in the Civil Parish and Catholic Parish of Dromtarrif and the Kerry Diocese. You can contact the following Parish Priest since he would be in charge of records. You need permission from the Bishop of Kerry to access the records. Very Rev Denis Quirke PP, Dromagh, Mallow, Co Cork, 029 78096 However, you will be able to avoid that permission by checking copies of O'Keefe Coshe Mang at major libraries. Baptisms 1832-1840 & 1851-1865 (Vol. 4) 1841-1848 (Vol.3) 1865-1900 (Vol. 6) Marriages 1832-1865 (Vol.2) 1865-1900 (Vol.14) You may still need the permission if you contact The Mallow Heritage Center for records or the National Library in Dublin which has it on microfilm #POS4264. Bill Fahy

Beette, Banteer is in the Civil Parish and Catholic Parish of Dromtarrif and the Kerry Diocese. You can contact the following Parish Priest since he would be in charge of records. You need permission from the Bishop of Kerry to access the records. Very Rev Denis Quirke PP, Dromagh, Mallow, Co Cork, 029 78096 However, you will be able to avoid that permission by checking copies of O'Keefe Coshe Mang at major libraries. Baptisms 1832-1840 & 1851-1865 (Vol. 4) Marriages 1832-1865 (Vol.2) 1841-1848 (Vol.3) 1865-1900 (Vol.14) 1865-1900 (Vol. 6) You may still need the permission if you contact The Mallow Heritage Center for records or the National Library in Dublin which has it on microfilm #POS4264. Bill Fahy

Hi I was wondering if someone could help me. Is the Very Rev. Liam Ryan PP still the parish priest at St. Fursey's in Banteer? Also does Coolclogh come under the parish of Banteer? If not what parish would it be under? thanking you very much in advance. Bette

Jane Is there any site for the graves in Inchigeelah or Dunmanway? Thanks in advance Nora "Rosemary R." wrote: > > Jane > > This is really good work. Very helpful to have these URLs. They will keep me > going for a long while. Thank You, > > Rosemary > Maryland [Mer-a-lin], USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Lyons" <jlyons1@iol.ie> > To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 8:28 AM > Subject: Cork graveyards > > > Transcription: > > http://www.from-ireland.net/graves/adrigoletrans.htm > > > > Index to Names and Surnames: > > http://www.from-ireland.net/graves/aghinaghindex.htm > > > > http://www.from-ireland.net/graves/carrigrohanebegindex.htm > > > > http://www.from-ireland.net/graves/clonmultindex.htm > > > > http://www.from-ireland.net/graves/dangandonindex.htm > > > > http://www.from-ireland.net/graves/killeaghindex.htm > > > > just surnames: > > http://www.from-ireland.net/graves/kilnaglorycork.htm > > > > http://www.from-ireland.net/graves/tisaxoncork.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > > RootsWeb, a user-supported enterprise http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Searchable archives for IRL-CORK can be found at > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=irl-cork > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Looking for Farrell Holland born 1780 - 1790? Had son Michael and possibly Edward,Timothy and Denis. any leads helpful. I am not even sure if Farrell is the first name ..Is there another name used in place of Farrell such as Owen etc. County Cork thank you Mary

A Guide to the Blackwater by J. R. O'Flanagan. 1844. page 78. A ruin now attracts attention on the south bank - Carrig -a - brick Castle - another of the strongholds of the Condons. The well-cultivated land here is farmed by Dr. Roche of Fermoy. Opposite is Rathealy [rath means fort] , Mrs. Lucas's house. Near it, Mill Bank, D. Reid, Esq. A line drawing of the banks of the river and castle are illustrated - but the houses are not drawn in - only the banks leading down to the river.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Catherine.Vanneau To: David N Murray Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 4:21 AM Subject: Re: REID family in FERMOY ----- Original Message ----- From: David N Murray To: catherine.vanneau Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 2:04 AM Subject: Re: REID family in FERMOY I am researching Fettiplace's who lived in Marseilles. I have not the faintest clue as to how to approach obtaining baptism and marriage information in France. Can you offer any suggestions - as there is a language barrier for me to overcome as well. Dave Murray I will try to help you in your research. Give me some details on the person you are looking for. I have only done some research in Brittany, but I will do my best as regards Marseille. And sure I will be pleased to help you with my French. Catherine Vanneau

Catherine, Moira; There is a small part of the parish of Clondulane that extends across the Blackwater river into the northern section of Fermoy. Actually, though it seems strange, part of the Military graveyard is actually in the boundary of the Parish of Clondulane. That having been said, I find that in October, 1827, the following entry appears in the Tithes Applotment Book for the Parish of Clondulane. page 27, line 10 Townland of Rathely. Reid, David Esq. 65 acres, 2 rods, 0 perches. page 29, line 3 Townland of Licclash Reid, David Esq. 68 acres, 1 rod, 34 perches. page 39, line 1 (he is the only entry - so he owned the entire townland - shown as a Half Ploughland) Townland of Ballynamona Reid, David, Esq. 121 acres, 2 rods, 15 perches. The Fermoy Poor Rate Book - A Collection Book Rate was taken September 15, 1847. Collected by David Rice (Postmaster) Rates are in Pounds/Shillings page 12, line 219 Ballinamona Farm Yard and Land. Occupier, James Reid. Tax 187.10 line 220 House and Garden Occupier blank Lessor Jas Reid Tax 1.10 (probably steward's lodge) line 221 House and Garden Occupier blank Lessor Jas Reid Tax 1.10 (ditto) page 13, lines 232-7 Rathhealy Land. Occupier Jas Reid Tax 102.8 House and Garden. Occupier blank Lessor James Reid Tax .10 (probably cottier's cottage - names not filled in) House and Garden. Occupier blank Lessor James Reid Tax .10 (probably cottier's cottage - names not filled in) House and Garden. Occupier blank Lessor James Reid Tax .10 (probably cottier's cottage - names not filled in) House and Garden. Occupier blank Lessor James Reid Tax .10 (probably cottier's cottage - names not filled in) House and Garden. Occupier blank Lessor James Reid Tax .10 (probably cottier's cottage - names not filled in) page 15, lines 271-9 Townland of Carrignacruhs Lodge. Occupier blank Lessor James Reid Tax 1. House and Land Occupier David Barry Lessor James Reid Tax 21. Glebe Land Occupier David Fitzgerald Lessor James Reid Tax 7. Glebe Land Occupier James Forde Lessor James Reid Tax 11.16 Glebe Land Occupier Tom Murphy Lessor James Reid Tax 19.5 Land. Occupier Timothy Murray Tax 6.11 House and Land Occupier Edward Murphy Lessor James Reid Tax 12.13 House and Land Occupier Ben Hitchinson Lessor James Reid Tax 23.12 House and Land Occupier John Noonan Lessor James Reid Tax 6.2 House and Land Occupier Mrs. Allen Lessor James Reid Tax 10.10 House and Land Occupier Rev. Mr. Kerr Lessor James Reid Tax 12. 1846 I. Slater's Commercial Directory of Fermoy p. 238 Millers Reid, Allen & Co., Fermoy Mills. 1867 Directory of Cork - no entries. 1806-1858 Fermoy Masonic Lodge No. 555 - No entries for Reid. Index to the Prerogative Wills of Ireland p. 394 1799 Reid, James, Middleton, co. Cork, clk. The Chronicles of Midleton, Jeremiah Falvey p. 27 1775 "George Chinnery, Junior, was replaced as headmaster of Midleton College by Rev. James Reid, M.A." Cork and Ross Wills 1548-1800 p. 91 No Reid 1639 Reade, David, Cork 1795 Reade, George, Cork 1661 Reade, Jane, Cork 1645 Reade, Thomas, Cork Maps of the Roads of Ireland page 132 Reid, Esq. near Newmarket ----- Original Message ----- From: catherine.vanneau To: David N Murray Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:54 AM Subject: REID family in FERMOY I was given your address by Vita von Wedel, who is looking for her Walker's ancestor in Fermoy. My ggg grand father was George Reid. His father was David Reid from Fermoy. George Reid married in 1842 Elizabeth Cecilia Anderson (her grand father was John Anderson). Hoping you can help me in my research, Catherine Vanneau, France