A distant cousin who took family notes in 1939 spelled words as she heard them and how she heard them pronounced with a brogue. She gives Ballyderry/Ballyderrig Bridge as a place where one family lived. I know there is no such place. It would be near the general Mitchelstown-Glanworth area of Cork. Is there anyone on this list who might know what place this really is? Thanks, Jan Janfortado@attbi.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <CountyCork-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <CountyCork-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:00 AM Subject: CountyCork-D Digest V02 #110

Seeking forebears of John ARKINS who came to Victoria, Australia c1839 as a 10 year old. On 5 birth certificates he claimed to have from Co Cork. John married in 1855, Catherine HENRY, in Maitland NSW, Australia. Names of the 1st two boys: John Charles and Thomas Henry. There was also a William John. John's big interest was training race horses. I'd like to hear from someone who knew of any Arkins in Co Cork.... I think they were pretty thin on the ground. Regards, Mary shortis@spot.com.au

of which there are many kinds can anyone say please where I might find records? I do have Sean Magee's book thank you Josi My newsletters, including Volume nine, are at: www.jgeoghegan.org.uk and at: www.btinternet.com/~finty/

TRY HTTP://WWW.BOHERBUE.COM

Thomas Geoghegan a weaver married abt 1805 son Michael Geoghegan a tailor bachelor! wed Ann Cuthbert 1877 when he was ( he says) 68.. Ann was a widow previously Doyle. Is there any particular county in Ireland where a man is 'more likely' to be a weaver than others? Otherwise...it's back to the Ouija board!! Josi My newsletters, including Volume nine, are at: www.jgeoghegan.org.uk and at: www.btinternet.com/~finty/

I recently had a letter returned as "undeliverable" from an address I had used successfully in the past for the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) to obtain employment files of deceased relatives. I wrote to the OPM Freedom of Information Act office and received the following (very prompt) response: ---- To request Federal personnel records you should write to one of the following addresses: Civilian Records National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) 111 Winnebago Street St. Louis, MO 63118 (USA) Military Records National Personnel Records Center (Military) 9700 Page Street St. Louis, MO 63132 (USA) Information you will need to provide: Signed request Social Security Number Last agency (and location) Dates of Federal employment or date left Federal service ---- I would also suggest that you add your relationship to the former employee, date of death (and evidence) and the fact that your request is for genealogical purposes. I've had great success with OPM in the past, including receiving a copy of my mother's Navy Yard application (with references and close friends) and her resignation letter. (She resigned, she said, to raise her baby boy Tommy!) Tom White Monrovia, Liberia, West Africa _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

This is a bit of an aside, but I have been recently looking through the index of the Resiter of Deeds for County Cork, going through all the names, looking for Hannans and Grahams. In the course of this search, I couldn't help noticing a lot of deeds for the Cronins. The deeds that I am looking at are for the period 1780 to 1805, So I assume that anyone owning land at that time would have to be Protestant. It's clear that there is information to be had from this source on the Cronins of Cork, at least for the ones that owned property likely to be registerd by a deed. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: <dkm22@attglobal.net> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [Cork] CRONIN enquiry > Terry and Micheal > > You can also contact the Ireland Valuation Office and they'll > make copies of the originals. They did so for me and charged > approximately $40. That's how I found a relative still living on > the land! > > Dawn > > michael cronin wrote: > > > Terry > > What you need are the cancelled valuation books, these are in more or less > > the same format as Griffiths and cover the period c1855-1950ish. In addition > > to the columns found in Griffiths there is an 'observations' column which > > records the date of any changes (such as ownership), for example when the > > name of the tenant changes the old name is crossed out, the new written in, > > and the date recorded under 'observations', to avoid confusion different > > colour ink was used for each event, unfortunately most of us have access > > only to black and white microfilm copies. When the book for that area had > > too many notations to be readable then a new book was started, typically > > most areas would have about 8-10 books covering about 90+ years. > > > > These records are available from the LDS. Ummeraboy West is in the district > > electoral division of Doonasleen and as far as I can make out the film > > number is 830558. > > > > Also have a look at my Cronin web site > > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/hanson/ > > > > Michael > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jackie & Terry" <chanters1@freenetname.co.uk> > > To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:21 AM > > Subject: [Cork] CRONIN enquiry > > > > > Hi, I am new to Cork listers and I wonder if anyone can please help me a > > bit > > > > ==== CountyCork Mailing List ==== > > **SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage for searching in all of Ireland http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS ** > > ______________________________

[To Dorothy Nest] Lots of us wish we had Boherbue to research. Some of the Boherbue RC christenings (1833 to 1875) are online via the FHC (Family History Center) website. Just go to the IGI part of the site: <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp> Do a custom IGI search for your particular family by putting in these terms: [Father] Eugene; [last name] Sullivan; [First Name< *Important: leave this blank*; [Last Name] Sullivan; [Mother] Julia; [Last Name] Leary; *Important: leave the next 5 spaces blank*> [Spouse; Last Name; Event; Year Range; Year]; [Region] British Isles; [Country] Ireland; [County] Cork; [Batch Number] C700771 (Note: the C must be capitalized or it won't work) *Important: leave the next 2 spaces blank*> [Serial/Sheet Number; Film Number] *Also, do not check the "Use Exact Spelling" box. What should turn up are the 3 children you listed, plus 2 more born in the 1850's. The above strategy is just a fun shortcut for some of the lengthier records in Casey. The only Boberbue RC marriages online are for 1863 to 1880 (Use just one surname in the main blank, plus M700771). For later marriages (amazingly, some as late as 1947), the names of bapt & mar witnesses, and local place names (probably residences?) within the Boherbue parish, you will still need to go to Casey, Vols. 2, 11, and 14. I noticed that with your particular surnames, the IGI didn't give the same results for O Sullivan, O'Sullivan, or for OSullivan as it did for Sullivan. I wasn't expecting that to happen. One more thing for all of us to watch out for... Hope this helps, let me know if you have questions, Barb Glassel

Time for my biannual posting. Still looking for relatives of Patrick Jerome Callahan (CALLAGHAN) born County Cork, 1859. Married Margaret Theresa SHINNICK, born 1857. Family may have lived in Charleville at some point. (SHINNICK FAMILY DID, as a child was born in Charleville, a sister of Margaret's in 1867.) They settled in New York in 1882, but I still haven't found any links or siblings for the CALLAHAN side. ROCHE family also lived in or near Chareville. Thanks all! Kim Callahan Hedden

Index to Prerogative Wills of Ireland. 1773 Edie, Wm., Killydart, co. Tyrone. p. 152 1803 Eades, Christopher, Bride-st, dublin, grocer. p. 150 1795 Eades, Isaac, Ormond-quay, fishing tackle maker. do. ============ Index to Cork and Ross Wills, 1548-1800 1789 Eddy, Nicholas, Johnstown 1760 Edy, John, Lisroe 1717 Edy, Thomas, Rathcony ============ English and Scotch Planters in Tyrone during the reigns of Elizabeth and James I. English Planters: Captain Edney Thomas Edney ============ 1586-1603 Fiants of Elizabeth I Also checked Philip and Mary, Henry VIII and Edward VI No entries. ============ Maps of the Roads of Ireland. 1778 No entries. ============ Roll of Deponents "1641 Depositions" for Tyrone should be investigated if that area is of relevance. ============ Roll of Deponents for Cork No entries. ============ Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Eddy" <rseddy@sympatico.ca> To: "David N Murray" <dmurray@totalnetnh.net> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Cork] Surname > Dear David: > > I noticed your reply concerning surname lookups and wondered if you have > reference material on hand you could please check for me for the surname > Eedy (variations Edy, Eady, Eddy). I have deeds dating from 1753 and 2 > references to 2 Will and probate in the 1700s from the Cork Index but can't > seem to get anything conclusive before a1740 marriage at St. Finn Barr's. > Thank you very much for any information you may have. > > Susan Eddy > Cobourg, Ontario > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David N Murray" <dmurray@totalnetnh.net> > To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 5:42 PM > Subject: [Cork] Surname Day in co. Cork > > > > Karen; > > > > Index to Prerogative Wills 1536-1810 Sir Arthur Vicars > > > > p. 126 > > > > 1798 Day, Ellen, Cork city, widow > > 1781 Day, James, Youghal > > 1753 Day, Mary, Youghl (wife of J. Day, merchant) > > 1767 Day, Thomas (no address or county mentioned) > > > > No entries for Dea. > > > > There are two O'Dea's, not in Cork. > > > > p. 356 > > > > O'Dea, Henry, Dublin, shoemaker > > O'Dea, Thady, Lisbane, co. Clare, farmer [Thaddeus?] > > ================ > > > > Cork and Ross Wills 1548-1800 > > > > No entries for Day or O'Dea. > > > > Dave > > > > ______________________________ >

Thank's to all that replied about Rathduve and Raughduve Thank You Jerry Walsh Jerry_walsh@msn.com

Terry What you need are the cancelled valuation books, these are in more or less the same format as Griffiths and cover the period c1855-1950ish. In addition to the columns found in Griffiths there is an 'observations' column which records the date of any changes (such as ownership), for example when the name of the tenant changes the old name is crossed out, the new written in, and the date recorded under 'observations', to avoid confusion different colour ink was used for each event, unfortunately most of us have access only to black and white microfilm copies. When the book for that area had too many notations to be readable then a new book was started, typically most areas would have about 8-10 books covering about 90+ years. These records are available from the LDS. Ummeraboy West is in the district electoral division of Doonasleen and as far as I can make out the film number is 830558. Also have a look at my Cronin web site http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/hanson/ Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie & Terry" <chanters1@freenetname.co.uk> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:21 AM Subject: [Cork] CRONIN enquiry > Hi, I am new to Cork listers and I wonder if anyone can please help me a bit

Could be RATHDUFF in the Civil Parisk of GRENAGH in the Barony of BARRETTS? District Electoral Division of BLACKPOOL. Court Area BLARNEY. . Is mise le meas. Brendan Sisk. http://brensisk.tripod.com

Dorothy, Boherbue records are available from the published works of Casey's "O'Keefe Coshe Mang", which is just as well, otherwise you have to get the permission of the Bishop of Kerry. For you timespan Baptisms only are available in Volume 2. Any major library should have it or get it. The LDS also has the information from "O'Keefe Coshe Mang" on BFA 0883696 item 12. Bill Fahy

Why am I connected to a place called "Boherbue?" Because I have ancestors who supposedly were born there. Where is it and why do I never see it mentioned in any of the links or research channels that I peruse each day? I am looking for a SULLIVAN/O'SULLIVAN family, namely Eugene and his wife, Julia LEARY who were the parents of at least three children; Helena/Ellen, Eugene and Andrew. The years in my quest are from 1838 to and perhaps after 1848. These children came to the states in time to be quite involved in our civil war beginning about 1860. Any information will be appreciated. dorothy

Jerry at jerry_walsh@msn.com writes: << Could someone tell me where Townland's Rathduve and Raughduve were or are today? >> Jerry, I can find only one Rathduff townland in Co. Cork. It is located in Grenagh civil parish, and lies along the N 20 highway mid-way between Mallow and Cork - about 8 or 9 miles S. of Mallow, and just east of the small town of Grenagh. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Seeking further info on the DONOVAN and CORKARAN families: James DONOVAN and Catherine CORKARAN (my ggg-grandparents) m. 10 Feb 1831 in Inchigeelagh Parish. Their residence was in Coolmountain. Patrick and Ann CORKARAN are listed as witnesses at the wedding. Their daughter, Mary DONOVAN, b. 24 December 1832, Jeremiah DONOVAN and Margaret LORDAN are listed as witnesses at baptism. Mary DONOVAN married Edward SKEUSE on 26 January 1864. The witnesses were Jeremiah GALLAGHER and Joanna CORKARAN. Thanks-- Beth

Terry and Micheal You can also contact the Ireland Valuation Office and they'll make copies of the originals. They did so for me and charged approximately $40. That's how I found a relative still living on the land! Dawn michael cronin wrote: > Terry > What you need are the cancelled valuation books, these are in more or less > the same format as Griffiths and cover the period c1855-1950ish. In addition > to the columns found in Griffiths there is an 'observations' column which > records the date of any changes (such as ownership), for example when the > name of the tenant changes the old name is crossed out, the new written in, > and the date recorded under 'observations', to avoid confusion different > colour ink was used for each event, unfortunately most of us have access > only to black and white microfilm copies. When the book for that area had > too many notations to be readable then a new book was started, typically > most areas would have about 8-10 books covering about 90+ years. > > These records are available from the LDS. Ummeraboy West is in the district > electoral division of Doonasleen and as far as I can make out the film > number is 830558. > > Also have a look at my Cronin web site > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/hanson/ > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jackie & Terry" <chanters1@freenetname.co.uk> > To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:21 AM > Subject: [Cork] CRONIN enquiry > > > Hi, I am new to Cork listers and I wonder if anyone can please help me a > bit > > ==== CountyCork Mailing List ==== > **SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage for searching in all of Ireland http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS **

Jerry, They still are, though they are one and the same. Many times the townlands were spelled phonetically by civil servants because those living there were illiterate and could only pronounce them. If you go to www.seanruad.com and place "rath" under Townland and "Beginning of field" under Search Method and select "Cork" for the county you will find what you are looking for ....Rathduff. Duff is the same as Duv, duve, and dubh all translating to the color black. Bill Fahy

Message text written by INTERNET:CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com >From: "Lorraine Egan" <loreg@bigpond.com> To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Cork] Coachford Can anyone tell me where COACHFORD is, please. Also would anyone know of a house called ROCKVILLE or ROCKGLEN near there. Thank you Lorraine EGAN< It is along the Lee River valley in Co Cork, west of Cork city and east of Macroom, on the north side of the river. Any regular map of Ireland will show it. My great grandfather was born there in 1854, but we have not been able to figure out what the family was doing there at the time. He was baptised there also, church of Ireland parish of Magourney. Sorry I do not know about the house. Elizabeth KnowltonEW@Compuserve.com