----- Original Message ----- From: <CountyCork-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <CountyCork-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: CountyCork-D Digest V02 #283 I noticed a request in the past few days for information regarding Skibbereen. The following are the addresses for two Skibbereen websites. The Skibbereen Heritage Centre hope to have the 1901 census for the area available shortly. Hope these are useful. Reposting my family interests, Mescall, Keenan, Canavan, Pyburn, Cahalane and any Heir Island descendants. Kathleen Daly. Sorry - got distracted last time and forgot the addresses. www.skibbereen.ie www.skibbheritage.com

----- Original Message ----- From: <CountyCork-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <CountyCork-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:02 AM Subject: CountyCork-D Digest V02 #282 I noticed a request in the past few days for information regarding Skibbereen. The following are the addresses for two Skibbereen websites. The Skibbereen Heritage Centre hope to have the 1901 census for the area available shortly. Hope these are useful. Reposting my family interests, Mescall, Keenan, Canavan, Pyburn, Cahalane and any Heir Island descendants. Kathleen Daly.

Reading Lynda Rogers's messages about her Twohill ancestors from Rathcormack prompts a question. My great-grandmother's name was Nora Toohil, or Toohill, or Tuhill, depending on the source cited. I'm wondering whether anyone knows if Lynda's Twohills might be related. Nora lived in Newtown, near Charleville, Co. Cork, and she too married a Murphy and emigrated to the U.S. (Oswego County, NY) in 1886 with all of their children. Carol McGann

List of Irish churches online. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishchurches/Irish%20churches.html

From 1812 on, the RC church in Cloyne that I have searched and found very good baptism records was St. Coleman's in the town of Cloyne. There records have all been computerized at the Mallow Heritage Centre, 27-28 Bank Place, Mallow, Co. Cork. Phone: 022 50302, and searches are available there for a fee.

CountyCork-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Subject: > > CountyCork-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 283 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [Cork] Connell Connections [DanDMurphy@aol.com] > #2 [Cork] TWOHILL from Rathcormack, C [LyndaR2@aol.com] > #3 [Cork] Doing Irish research/parish ["Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <KnowltonE] > #4 [Cork] Question on what churches w ["Jan Kenney Fortado" <janfortado@a] > > Administrivia: > > Messages to the list should be sent to > CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe from the digest send the word unsubscribe in the body of an email with no other text (leave subject line blank and turn off signature line) to CountyCork-D-request@rootsweb.com > > CountyCork Mailing List homepage (for list guidelines and how to subscribe/unsubscribe) http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/countycork > > To contact the listowner send a message to mpetzolt2@webtv.net > > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [Cork] Connell Connections > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:17:39 EST > From: DanDMurphy@aol.com > To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > > Good Morning: > > I'm looking for my Connell relatives that came from the Rathmacullig - > Douglas - Ballygarvan area of Cork, just south and southeast of Cork City, > not far from the present Cork Airport. My great-great-grandfather Maurice > Connell married my gggrandmother Mary Lavallan around 1850. > > They had six children that I am aware of: Hannah (1850) married Bat > Dempsey in 1877 in Ballygarvan, James (1860), Abina (1862) married Maurice > Hogan, John (1857), Mary (1853), and Maurice (1859). > > For whatever reason, there are no more Lavallan's in Ireland. > > I look forward to sharing info. Thank you. > > Dan Murphy: Boston > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [Cork] TWOHILL from Rathcormack, Count Cork > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:00:58 EST > From: LyndaR2@aol.com > To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > > I'm just getting started on researching my ancestors from County Cork. This > is what I know so far. Some of this has been documented, some of this has > been passed down word of mouth. I would love to hear from anyone else > researching Twohills. > > Dennis TWOHILL (born abt. 1834) and Julia SPILLANE ( born abt. 1838) > married abt. 1859 > > Their children: > Bridget (born 1860) married George RILEY - immigrated to Connecticut, USA > Michael (born 1864) married Ellen MURPHY - immigrated to Connecticut (my > great-grandparents) > Julia (born 1866) > Dennis - immigrated to Connecticut, USA > Minnie - > James - maybe immigrated to New York > Frank - immigrated to Connecticut > Edward - immigrated to Connecticut > > The thought is there are more siblings that remained in Ireland. > > Also, if anyone could point me to some good reference material (online or > print) on what Rathcormack was like during the 18th and 19th centuries, it > would be appreciated. > > Thank you, > Lynda Rogers > Ankeny, IA > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [Cork] Doing Irish research/parishes/church records, etc > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:20:54 -0500 > From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <KnowltonEW@compuserve.com> > To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > > Some of the recent posts indicate that > new researchers have joined and need answers > to basic questions. > Irish research is MUCH MUCH harder > than US, Canadian, Australian, etc. Many sorts of > records we have were never created there, and > many that were have been destroyed. The ruling > group in the 19th c had little interest in documenting > the "natives"; and during and after the revolution, > the Irish revolutionaries cared little whether the > ruling classes' records survived. > The first thing I always (and still) recommend > is that anyone doing Irish research get a good > research guide to Irish genealogy. You can skate > along with the web and email to do American, > British, Australian, etc. genealogy, but there is no > substitute for a good book on Irish research--you > can read it in bed and mull over and over the > various strategies available, write in it, pore over > the maps, and on and on. > I own TRACING YOUR IRISH ANCESTORS > by John Grenham, both editions [2nd better for RC > research, 1st better for CofI]. There are others that > posters swear by. But if you are into the hobby for > more than two weeks, invest the ca US$20 pb for a > good guide. > > Elizabeth > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: [Cork] Question on what churches were around Cork City in 1840 > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:10:34 -0500 > From: "Jan Kenney Fortado" <janfortado@attbi.com> > To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com > > I am searching for a marriage record that does not show up where it is > supposed to. If I get desperate enough, I will have to choose some parishes > in and around Cork City to see if they have a marriage record about 1840 for > my great-grandparents. Is there any place online that gives the names of > churches that would have been in existence about 1840? I don't want to write > to parishes that had not yet been founded. > > I have tried the Diocese of Cloyne, and there is no record. Although the > "bride" would have been from a parish in that diocese, it is possible she > was working in someone's house as a servant, a house outside the diocese of > Cloyne, where she met her husband, whose family settled somewhere in Cork > before shipping out to Australia. > Thank you. > Janfortado@attbi.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <CountyCork-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <CountyCork-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:09 AM > Subject: CountyCork-D Digest V02 #281 Hi Jan, I don't know of anything online for lists of parishes. 'Tracing Your Cork Ancestors' (Tony McCarthy and Tim Cadagon) gives lists of both Civil and Catholic Parishes in Conty Cork. 'A Table of Church of Ireland Parochial Records and Copies' published by The Irish Family History Society gives a complete list if C of I Parishes. Of course, Samuel Lewis' 'A Topographical Dictionary of Ireland' indicates all parishes provided you have the time to locate and extract the information. I know you are acquainted with all of the above but perhaps others might benefit. 0934MST 23 November 2002. John Myers

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Researching Ellen Delay, b County Cork about 1832, daughter of Patrick and Ann Cronin. There were over 30 Delay entries in Griffith's Valuation. Isn't anyone left in the world connected to Delay of Cork? Massive brick wall. Please help. Thanks, Tom O'Hare, Buffalo, N.Y., USA

Art - can you search the records yourself at Mallow HC or do you have to pay them to do it? ----- Original Message ----- From: Art Kilmartin <akilmartin@nc.rr.com> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Cork] Question on what churches were around Cork City in 1840 > >From 1812 on, the RC church in Cloyne that I have searched and found very > good baptism records was St. Coleman's in the town of Cloyne. There records > have all been computerized at the Mallow Heritage Centre, 27-28 Bank Place, > Mallow, Co. Cork. Phone: 022 50302, and searches are available there for a > fee. > > > > ==== CountyCork Mailing List ==== > ** To contact the listowner, send a message to mpetzolt2@webtv.net ** > >

The National Archives of Ireland site is a good site to use. http://www.nationalarchives.ie/index.html This link gives you info on how to begin your search of Irish descents http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy.html Karen L. Day Bloomingdale, Pompton Lakes, and Wayne, Passaic Co, NJ Butler, Kinnelon, Riverdale (Pompton), Pequannock and Pompton Plains, Morris County, NJ DAY/DEA***O'DEA/O'DAY***DOW***MEAD/MEADE/MEED/MEDE/MEET ***ROOME/ROME***MORSE/MORS/MOSS/MORSS/LA MOSS IRELAND***ENGLAND***WALES***FRANCE***HOLLAND***NEW JERSEY ***NEW YORK***MASSACHUSETTS***CONNECTICUT***RHODE ISLAND http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/d/a/y/Karen-L-Day/ http://members.tripod.com/unicorn13nj/DAY,O'DEA,DOW,MEAD,ANDMORSE.htm > Some of the recent posts indicate that > new researchers have joined and need answers > to basic questions. > Irish research is MUCH MUCH harder > than US, Canadian, Australian, etc. Many sorts of > records we have were never created there, and > many that were have been destroyed. The ruling > group in the 19th c had little interest in documenting > the "natives"; and during and after the revolution, > the Irish revolutionaries cared little whether the > ruling classes' records survived. > The first thing I always (and still) recommend > is that anyone doing Irish research get a good > research guide to Irish genealogy. You can skate > along with the web and email to do American, > British, Australian, etc. genealogy, but there is no > substitute for a good book on Irish research--you > can read it in bed and mull over and over the > various strategies available, write in it, pore over > the maps, and on and on. > I own TRACING YOUR IRISH ANCESTORS > by John Grenham, both editions [2nd better for RC > research, 1st better for CofI]. There are others that > posters swear by. But if you are into the hobby for > more than two weeks, invest the ca US$20 pb for a > good guide. > > Elizabeth > > > ==== CountyCork Mailing List ==== > ** To contact the listowner, send a message to mpetzolt2@webtv.net ** >

I am searching for a marriage record that does not show up where it is supposed to. If I get desperate enough, I will have to choose some parishes in and around Cork City to see if they have a marriage record about 1840 for my great-grandparents. Is there any place online that gives the names of churches that would have been in existence about 1840? I don't want to write to parishes that had not yet been founded. I have tried the Diocese of Cloyne, and there is no record. Although the "bride" would have been from a parish in that diocese, it is possible she was working in someone's house as a servant, a house outside the diocese of Cloyne, where she met her husband, whose family settled somewhere in Cork before shipping out to Australia. Thank you. Janfortado@attbi.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <CountyCork-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <CountyCork-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:09 AM Subject: CountyCork-D Digest V02 #281

Some of the recent posts indicate that new researchers have joined and need answers to basic questions. Irish research is MUCH MUCH harder than US, Canadian, Australian, etc. Many sorts of records we have were never created there, and many that were have been destroyed. The ruling group in the 19th c had little interest in documenting the "natives"; and during and after the revolution, the Irish revolutionaries cared little whether the ruling classes' records survived. The first thing I always (and still) recommend is that anyone doing Irish research get a good research guide to Irish genealogy. You can skate along with the web and email to do American, British, Australian, etc. genealogy, but there is no substitute for a good book on Irish research--you can read it in bed and mull over and over the various strategies available, write in it, pore over the maps, and on and on. I own TRACING YOUR IRISH ANCESTORS by John Grenham, both editions [2nd better for RC research, 1st better for CofI]. There are others that posters swear by. But if you are into the hobby for more than two weeks, invest the ca US$20 pb for a good guide. Elizabeth

I'm just getting started on researching my ancestors from County Cork. This is what I know so far. Some of this has been documented, some of this has been passed down word of mouth. I would love to hear from anyone else researching Twohills. Dennis TWOHILL (born abt. 1834) and Julia SPILLANE ( born abt. 1838) married abt. 1859 Their children: Bridget (born 1860) married George RILEY - immigrated to Connecticut, USA Michael (born 1864) married Ellen MURPHY - immigrated to Connecticut (my great-grandparents) Julia (born 1866) Dennis - immigrated to Connecticut, USA Minnie - James - maybe immigrated to New York Frank - immigrated to Connecticut Edward - immigrated to Connecticut The thought is there are more siblings that remained in Ireland. Also, if anyone could point me to some good reference material (online or print) on what Rathcormack was like during the 18th and 19th centuries, it would be appreciated. Thank you, Lynda Rogers Ankeny, IA

Good Morning: I'm looking for my Connell relatives that came from the Rathmacullig - Douglas - Ballygarvan area of Cork, just south and southeast of Cork City, not far from the present Cork Airport. My great-great-grandfather Maurice Connell married my gggrandmother Mary Lavallan around 1850. They had six children that I am aware of: Hannah (1850) married Bat Dempsey in 1877 in Ballygarvan, James (1860), Abina (1862) married Maurice Hogan, John (1857), Mary (1853), and Maurice (1859). For whatever reason, there are no more Lavallan's in Ireland. I look forward to sharing info. Thank you. Dan Murphy: Boston

Jean, If you do not have a specific address for a church in an Irish town you can address a query c/o Parish Priest, the specific town & county and Ireland and it will be delivered. The question is will it be answered! Quite often it will not because of a shortage of priests /time available etc. Their area of interest is not genealogy and quite often the priest is assigned from another area and is not familiar with the townland names and especially if the name has changed totally or now has a different spelling. Bill Fahy PS See my response to Sully

Sully, Check my web site for some of the answers. www.westcork.homestead.com You have to understand a few things about the various land divisions in Ireland before making any broad statements. I am no expert in this area but a general consensus follows.You have to differentiate between townland, village, town, civil parish, religious parish and registration district. A townland can range from about 50 acres to over 2000 acres and is handed down from the old tribal system where the sons inherited. This changed in time to primo-geniture where only the eldest son inherited because tribal property was broken up into too many small divisions. The village and/or the town can sometimes be the same name as the townland in which they are placed. The civil parish, religious parish and the registration district can also have the same name as the largest town. In the case of Skibbereen this is only true for the last three but there can still be a problem with the religious parish names. Skibbereen religious parish, at one time the seat of the Catholic Bishop of Ross, encompassed many surrounding small religious parishes and still does today, but Skibbereen civil parish has a totally different set of boundaries. In most cases the Church of Ireland parish was the same as the civil parish because of British rule in Ireland and the establishment of that church as the primary one at that time. In fact most of the appointments and disbursements in the Church of Ireland were controlled by the government and/or its minions and having the same boundaries simplified their accounting practices. The you have the Skibbereen Registration District which covers from the Mizen Head (Goleen area) in the West, almost to Macroom and Bandon in the North, and to Clonakilty in the East. You can see how it may be confusing. Then when you come to townlands there can be up to 6 or 7 of the same name in the same registration district so you have to know the civil parish name also to find the correct townland. Without at least a civil parish you have no hope of finding information unless the name is particularly unique. West Cork does not have a genealogy center yet although there is some small progress in that direction. There is no web site for births, deaths and marriages other than the one I am attempting to build through the kindnesses of people who have done research and contributed and my own endeavors. If you want specific information about the various addresses of churches go to www.sci.net.au/userpages/mgrogan/cork/ire.cork.htm For townlands and civil parishes go to www.seanruad.com Bill Fahy

SULLYSOIL@AOL.COM wrote, " Is there a web site for Births, deaths, marriages for Skibbereen Cork County Ireland. Is there just one Catholic church in Skibbereen or are there more than one. If so what are their names and address's. Are there any web sites for Skibbereen and if so what are they?" I too am confused about locating RC Churches in that area. My area of research is Ballyally, which falls under Creagh Parish or Skibbereen. Where does one locate church names and addresses? Has anyone on the list had success in obtaining Baptism, marriage, or death information of the nineteenth century from RC Parishes in the Skibbereen, Creagh area? Thanks for all suggestions and/or information. Jean Copeland Researching in Co. Cork: DAILEY/DALY, MINIHANE (various spellings) Co. Kilkenny: WALLACE, BUTLER

Is there a web site for Births, deaths, marriages for Skibbereen Cork County Ireland. Is there just one Catholic church in Skibbereen or are there more than one. If so what are their names and address's. Are there any web sites for Skibbereen and if so what are they? Why is it so hard to get any information from Ireland? They have a lot of computer's over there and many people that set up web pages. They are some of the best.when it comes to program a computer for any business. Sully

In response to the often asked "what does this nickname go to" etc questions that show up on lists, here is a suggestion given to me when I first started.... and if you are even halfway serious about genealogy you will need this eventually..... Buy a good, Baby name book. One that gives you meanings and nicknames. I bought this book for 3.95 years ago at some bookstore like Waldenbooks... there are others and I don't even know if this particular one is in print or not... but get one that includes nicknames and national variations Name Your Baby: origins, meanings, nicknames, famous namesakes by Lareina Rule isbn 0-553-27145-8 Having this book handy will allow you to get your answers from the book instead of asking lists (as those discussions tend to gravitate into "my family did this with the name" etc). <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maura Petzolt mpetzolt2@webtv.net <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS Helpful Hints for Successful Searching http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints

Please change my e-mail address to: <jkennellybroker@yahoo.com> Thank you, John Kennelly