Well I have an Elizabeth Jennings born 1890 at Keelinga Leap, County Cork (near Skibereen). Her sisters (including my grandmother) never called her anything except Lillie. Nancy Ward Syracuse, NY, USA nward2@twcny.rr.com on 12/5/02 2:45 PM, Kmikstas@aol.com at Kmikstas@aol.com wrote: > Hello Listers, > I am hoping you can give me some suggestions on variations on the name > Elizabeth. In particular, I am wondering if Lillie could be one. I have found > Lillie present at the birth of a baby in 1894. The baby's father has a sister > named Elizabeth and I have not found anyone in this family named Lillie. So I > wonder if Elizabeth and Lillie could be the same person. Any suggestions > would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Kristie in Utah > > > ==== CountyCork Mailing List ==== > ** Please use subject line appopriately! Put surnames in all CAPS ** >

Kristie, Several names come to mind for Elizabeth but I am sure there are more. Betty, Bessie, Eliza, Lillibeth , Lizzie and of course Lillie. Lillie can also sometimes be used for Lillian. Bill Fahy

Hello Listers, I am hoping you can give me some suggestions on variations on the name Elizabeth. In particular, I am wondering if Lillie could be one. I have found Lillie present at the birth of a baby in 1894. The baby's father has a sister named Elizabeth and I have not found anyone in this family named Lillie. So I wonder if Elizabeth and Lillie could be the same person. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Kristie in Utah

I am looking for any information on Timothy Quinn of Lowell, MA who was born in Ireland between 1846-1850. His parents were Patrick Quinn and Ellen Murphy. I believe he may have been from Cork. I did find a Patrick and Ellen in Kinsale but the names are so common this is of no use. My Timothy came to MA and married a Julia O'Neill. He may have O'Donnell cousins. Thank you. Gail Cain McAuley

I am looking for any information on a Francis O'Donnell Fitzpatrick (or any of his decendants). I don't know his date of birth but it could be around 1840. He was born in Freemount Co Cork and was a school teacher. His father Patrick was also a school teacher. Francis O'Donnell Fitzpatrick was a teacher at the Cork Union Workhouse in 1867 and two of his children were born in Mallow so I presume he also taught there. He married Mary Kate Flynn in St John's Church, Waterford in 1866. He migrated to Australia (Rockhampton, Queensland) in about 1872 or 1873 where he also taught. Any information on how I could obtain teaching records of schools in Freemount, Mallow, Ballygiven (sp!) would also be appreciated. Cheers, Kathleen Butler

I am hoping there is SKS who has access to a local FHL where they could possibly check up on a marriage for me. Unfortunately our FHL has stopped taking orders for films now as they are closing down next week for our long summer break and will not be reopening until late January. Then when they do reopen and I can order a film it will take 6/8 weeks to arrive. Like most genealogists I am very impatient for info and want everything "yesterday"! Don't we all! The marriage I am looking for is Abbie Lyons to John Lyons [Lehane], and I am almost certain that it would have been in the Ballyvourney, Macroom area. John migrated to USA in 1895 and used the name Lyons while in America, but, if he was married back in Ireland he might just have used his proper name. Abbie was a Lyons also before marriage. I cannot find their marriage in USA and the 1920 SF census shows him as single, aged 47, but in the 1930 census he is married to Abbie, [54] I think he may have returned to Ireland to be married. There were no children of this marriage so I am taking it for granted that it was a mature-age marriage. If anyone can help me with this problem I will be very grateful. Peggy Queensland Australia

Seeking information on Johanna Hodge of County Cork, who traveled to Boston on the Ship North Atlantic in @ 1852. Children included John Jr., Catherine, and Joseph. Father John did not accompany them and probably died prior to this. Family lived in Cambridge MA, in Arlington MA, and John Jr. eventually lived in Malden. John Jr. married Anne Gilmartin; Joseph married Catherine Carlon. Thanks for any clues! Susan in Daytona

Greetings, It's time to relist my search names again. My g-g-grandfather, JAMES ROURKE, was born in approx. 1821, in Ireland. He married ANNE POWER, who was born in approx. 1823 in Dublin, in approx. 1844. Their children were RICHARD, JOHN, ROSINA, JAMES JOSEPH, and JAMES 'MICHAEL' JOSEPH. JAMES sr. was in the military and was stationed at Charlemont, Armagh , at the time of his son RICHARD's birth in 1845. Not sure where in Ireland he was born, except my granny always thought Cork. I would love to hear from any ROURKE's or POWER's. There must be someone out there searching these names, as I read that these are some of the oldest names of Ireland. Thanks for any help. Regards, Deborah

Eileen The Mallow Heritage Centre in Mallow has baptismal and marriage records for the Diocese of Cloyne in County Cork in which Castletownroche and Balllyhooly are located starting in the early 1800's. There is a search form you can send away for information (for a fee). I have found them to be very helpful. Castletownroche and Ballyhooly are several miles northwest of Cork City between Fermoy and Mallow. Both my grandparents came from there. These are small towns. From Grove White's history of the area, total area of Castletownroche parish in 1881, 6,484a., 2r. 23p.; houses, 338; pop. 1696; families 319; R.C.'s 1,620; Prots 76; Val $6.018 5s. 0d. My ggg-grandfather was Daniel Mehigan. From information provided by the Mallow Heritage Centre, he married Judith Murphy in the Roman Catholic Church of Castletownroche on February 4, 1837. Witnesses to their marriage were Michael Riordan and Thomas Keeffe. In reporting the baptisms of their children, also in the Castletownroche parish, the townland of Rathnadarihy is mentioned and was probably their residence. A witness to the baptism of their son Robert Mehigan on May 2, 1841 was Anastasia Murphy. A witness to the baptism of their son Daniel Mehigan on July 6, 1856 was Margaret Murphy. There are also a number of Keeffe's who witnessed baptisms. Griffith's Valuation shows Daniel Mehigan leasing property from Robert Webb in Castletownroche. I have been concentrating on my Mehigan line (my grandfather's name changed to Meehan a number of years after they came to USA, Cambridge, Massachusetts area) and have not really done anything more yet with the Murphy connection. The names I am searching in the Castletownroche area in addition to Mehigan are Bushe, Duane, Joyce, Scully, Murphy, and Doherty. I'd be interested in any information on these names you have. Hope the above helps. Best of luck in your search. Bob Meehan Dunwoody, Georgia USA

I received what I call a treasure in the mail from a newly discovered 3rd cousin in Ireland. In going through her father's papers she discovered letters written to her father, Denis Murphy of Ballyhooly (Co Cork) from a Thomas A. Murphy of Seattle. The letters were written in 1964 and 1965 and Thomas signs them, "your cousin". It seems that he was very interested in tracing his ancestors and he was relying on Denis to get information for him. Denis' daughter sent me an envelope with several of the letters, as well as three different packets of information typed on onion-skinned paper. Some are very faint and impossible to copy. I have started to enter the information in my computer and have completed what I will call Part I. The heading on these pages read, "The Marriages and Baptismal records for the Murphy Clan. (Extracts from the Catholic Parish Register of Castletwon roch and Bally hooly, Diocese of Cloyne, Co. Cork, Ireland, from the period of Sept 19, 1811 to Oct. 1845.)" Part II doesn't have a heading, but it SEEMS to be baptismal dates - e.g. the first one on the 1st page reads: 1812, Feb 10, Thomas, son of Edmond Murphy and Anne Power, Killathy. Sponsors: Thomas Smith & Margaret Clark. PART III's heading reads: " Extracts from the Catholic Parish Register of Castletown Roche and Ballyhooly, Diocese of Cloyne, Co. Cork." "1st volume of Marriages, 19th of Sept, 1811 to October 1845." The first enry reads: 1813 Feb. 18 - Daniel Keeffe to Elizabeth Murphy Witnesses: Connor Murphy & John Sullivan For whatever help/leads this may be for any Murphy, I'd be happy to send you what info I can. However, you have to know that practically every family has a Mary Murphy and just about every other one has a Denis. It would seem then that you'd have to have two names/ a date or rough idea of the time frame / a town / so I can sift through what I have. I doubt I will be able to get to transferring (into my computer) the info for Parts II and III until after Christmas, but I will keep any requests that come in and I will acknowledge receipt of them. In return I ask * If anyone has any info about a Thomas A. Murphy of Seattle - especially children of - I would appreciate it. * In one of his letters he says he found that as of 1800 there were many Murphys with origins in Ballyhooly living in Clinton Co., Iowa. Anyone know anything about any of these folks? Please contact me directly. Regards, Eileen, cnd

Tim, Do you have an email address or website details for the Cobh Genealogical Project or County Cork Library. Thanks Paula Irish New Zealander -----Original Message----- From: Tim Hannan [mailto:thannan@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2002 11:55 a.m. To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cork] Question on what churches were around Cork City in 1840 Jan, There are two organizations that are seeking to combine the records of the churches around Cork City, and will do a search for you for a small fee. One seems to concentrate on C of I records and the other, I believe, is concentrating on Catholic records. The organization that I dealt with to find the Protestsant marriage record of my ancestors is called the Cobh Genealogical Porject, in Cobh, County Cork. They provide an excellent service. I beleive the one collecting Catholic records is associated with the County Cork Library, but I have not dealt with them. Anyway, use of these organizations is ideal if you know that the record is in Cork City or nearby but do not know the precise parish. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Kenney Fortado" <janfortado@attbi.com> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:10 PM Subject: [Cork] Question on what churches were around Cork City in 1840 > I am searching for a marriage record that does not show up where it is > supposed to. If I get desperate enough, I will have to choose some parishes > in and around Cork City to see if they have a marriage record about 1840 for > my great-grandparents. Is there any place online that gives the names of > churches that would have been in existence about 1840? I don't want to write > to parishes that had not yet been founded. > > I have tried the Diocese of Cloyne, and there is no record. Although the > "bride" would have been from a parish in that diocese, it is possible she > was working in someone's house as a servant, a house outside the diocese of > Cloyne, where she met her husband, whose family settled somewhere in Cork > before shipping out to Australia. > Thank you. > Janfortado@attbi.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <CountyCork-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <CountyCork-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:09 AM > Subject: CountyCork-D Digest V02 #281 > ==== CountyCork Mailing List ==== ** Visit the IrelandGenWeb at http://www.irelandgenweb.com ** --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13/11/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13/11/02

Hi, I just received the news that in Bandon, around the townland of Roughgrove there is a story about a ghost named Sally LISSON. All I was told was that she "has been seen wandering the roads and was killed by a scythe". I am intrigued by this story, especially since I am missing data on a Sarah LISSON b. ca 1800 in Bandon, d/o John LISSON & Elizabeth KINGSTON. I understand that Sally is a nickname for Sarah. Are there any Bandoners on the list who may be able to elaborate on this ghost story? Suzanne Lisson

Jan, There are two organizations that are seeking to combine the records of the churches around Cork City, and will do a search for you for a small fee. One seems to concentrate on C of I records and the other, I believe, is concentrating on Catholic records. The organization that I dealt with to find the Protestsant marriage record of my ancestors is called the Cobh Genealogical Porject, in Cobh, County Cork. They provide an excellent service. I beleive the one collecting Catholic records is associated with the County Cork Library, but I have not dealt with them. Anyway, use of these organizations is ideal if you know that the record is in Cork City or nearby but do not know the precise parish. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Kenney Fortado" <janfortado@attbi.com> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:10 PM Subject: [Cork] Question on what churches were around Cork City in 1840 > I am searching for a marriage record that does not show up where it is > supposed to. If I get desperate enough, I will have to choose some parishes > in and around Cork City to see if they have a marriage record about 1840 for > my great-grandparents. Is there any place online that gives the names of > churches that would have been in existence about 1840? I don't want to write > to parishes that had not yet been founded. > > I have tried the Diocese of Cloyne, and there is no record. Although the > "bride" would have been from a parish in that diocese, it is possible she > was working in someone's house as a servant, a house outside the diocese of > Cloyne, where she met her husband, whose family settled somewhere in Cork > before shipping out to Australia. > Thank you. > Janfortado@attbi.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <CountyCork-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <CountyCork-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:09 AM > Subject: CountyCork-D Digest V02 #281 >

Since I first posted my interests I have found out a few more details, so am reposting: Michael WALSH born about 1852 married Ellen O'DONOGHUE born about 1854. Think they were born and married in Cork as their son Peter Paul was baptised in Blarney Village in 1878. William MACKEY born about 1830 married Kate/Catrin surname unknown born about 1834 in Cork. Their two eldest children were both born in Cork, William about 1850 and Mary Ann about 1853. Would love to hear from anyone with information on these families. Jean

I am trying to trace the record of the death of ABBIE LYONS/LEHANE who died 4 May 1941. Her residential address was Brooklyn NY, but there is no record of her death in the NY Archives. I am wondering if she was visiting her family in Co. Cork, Ireland at time of death? I have a copy of her will [1934] and probate papers, in which she left all her property in Brooklyn to her husband, JOHN LYONS/LEHANE. They changed their name to Lyons on migrating to USA abt 1892. I do not know under which name her death would have been recorded. Could someone please tell me if there is a FHL film [Co. Cork] which I could hire for deaths of that era? Also, would it be possible for someone to check the Irish newspapers for an obituary? Would be most grateful for any help given with this problem of mine Peggy Townsville Australia

If you have the CD-Rom "Irish to North America", would you please tell me if it is detailed and thorough enough to make it worth my purchasing it? I have been trying to discover precisely when between 1863-1869 and on which ship my SULLIVAN great-grandparents and their two children came to the U.S. (to New York, I believe). They were John & Mary (O'Connor) SULLIVAN, and their two children were Mary and Hannah. I'm not certain if their son James, was born in Ireland or the United States. Therefore, if - after viewing it - you believe that this CD may contain the information that I'm seeking, you would do me a great service if you'd let me know one way or the other. Thank you very much for your consideration. Francine G. Weeks

Hi Carol, Just read your posting about Toohill 's, I do believe you are a distant cousin of mine I have been trying to find more information about the Touhill's (Twohill - Toohill) do you have anymore information about them, my great great grandmother was a Hanora (Nora) Toohill born on June 28,1838 she was from the Newtown - Parish of Shandrum in Northern County Cork, she married a John Murphy also from the same area they had 8 children all migrated to the US in the 1880's and 90's, and according to some information I rec'd from the Mallow Heritage Center in Co. Cork John had a sister's name Ellen , Mary and two brothers named John and Timothy also lists there father as Denis who married to a Mary Burke at the Roman Catholic Parish of Shandrum on 21st of March 1833, I am interested in any information I can find out about the Toohill's ( Twohill -Touhill), not sure if they are the same family? I have lots of information on the whole family except the Toohill's. Please contact me! Lynn Fureno Phoenix, NY

When I answered a post on the list yesterday I got two replies from people researching the surname Hurley. If there are any others out there please email me off list, we can pass around our Hurley interests by email and see if there are any connections to be made. Michael

You Often Read Or Hear That Irish Research Is Impossible.BeacAuse "All Irish Records Were Destroyed " This Is A Common Over Simplification Of What Has Happened To Irish Records. It Is True Of Course Some Records Were Burnt In The Civil War In Ireland In 1922. The Public Records Office In Dublin "Four Courts" Did Have A Fire And Irish Records Were Lost. It Of Course Changed The Course Of Irish Research Forever The Major Loss Of The 1821-1851 Census Was A Mighty Blow For All Those Tracing Ancestors Within Ireland. Other Records Lost Were Pre 1858 Wills And Half Of The Parish Records For The Church Of Ireland. But One Must Remember That There Is A Difference Between Searching For An Irish Protestant And Irish Catholic Records. The Free Holders List Will Not Show A Catholic Before 1793 But Many Protestants Are Listed. High On Anyones List If They Are Looking For Protestants Should Be The Registry Of Deeds Followed By Wills And Administration But Of Course Not All Families Will Show There Were Poor Protestants As Well As Rich. One "Elite " Rule To Remember Is The More Prominent The Person The More Was Written Or Recorded On Them. Not All Catholics Were Poor And Landless- There Seems To Be Fewer Surviving Catholic Records Than Protestant. While John Grenhams' Book Tracing Your Irish Ancestors Second Edition Comes Highly Recommended I Myself Find That The Book Co Written By Maire Mac Conghail And Paul Gorry "Tracing Your Irish Ancestors" Well Written And Explanatory It Comes In A Pocket Size Book And Is Well Worth The Outlay It Is Available From Harpers Collins Publisher Cheers Cara

Lynda If it is just a general description you want then Samuel Lewis published 'A Topographical Dictionary of Ireland' in 1837, I have extracted a few sections including Rathcormac and posted them to my web site. http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/hanson/Rathcormac.html Do you know where your ancestors were in Rathcormac? my Hurley family had a mill at Behernagh Lower on the edge of Rathcormac civil parish. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: <LyndaR2@aol.com> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: [Cork] TWOHILL from Rathcormack, Count Cork > I'm just getting started on researching my ancestors from County Cork. This > is what I know so far. Some of this has been documented, some of this has > been passed down word of mouth. I would love to hear from anyone else > researching Twohills.