On the subject of pre-Famine burial practices rty the article at the link http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&se=gglsc&d=5000578742 Rreference worth reading are Hospitality at wakes and funerals in Ireland from the seventeenth to the nineteenth century: some evidence from the written record Folklore, Dec, 2003 by Patricia Lysaght Crozier, M., " 'Powerful Wakes': Perfect Hospitality." In Ireland from Below. Social Change and Local Communities, ed. Chris Curtin and Thomas M. Wilson. 70-91. Galway: Officinia Typographica, 1987. Ballard, Linda M. "Dressing for Death." North Munster Antiquarian Journal 34 (1992):79-91. Regards Gill

In a message dated 4/17/2007 3:03:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I don't know off hand what research has been done, but in researching the townland where my Lane ancestors lived in Innishannon I found that there was an old burial ground shown on the 19th century ordnance survey maps. It is still marked on the present day OS maps but if you go there you will find that it is no more than an uncultivated patch in the middle of some sugar beet fields. There are no stones nor walls, but the farmers all know where it is and simply plow around it. -dja Good Morning Cork List: There is a Burial Ground in the middle of a large field in Minane Bridge as well. I wanted to record every headstone on a visit there in 1999, but since it had rained for three straight days, the field was waterlogged and impossible to walk on. If anyone else would like to visit this Burial Ground, it is known to the local farmers, as one took me to the gate and pointed to the burial ground 80 yards across the field. The burial ground is off a side road (right turn) on the way from Carrigaline to Minane Bridge. If anyone visits and records the headstones, or has already done so, please share that info. Good luck and thank you. Dan Murphy: Boston ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Thank you Dennis, While we were in Cappoquin, County Cork, cousin David Collins introduced me to his mother’s cousins; Julia Quirke, a nurse and delightful lady and her brothers Michael and Tom Quirke. Julia took us to an old graveyard near Cappoquin where some relatives are buried. It is located set back from a road across an up sloping field beside the roofless shell of a brick walled church. It was once a Roman Catholic Church, but it had been confiscated by the Church of Ireland. The tiled roof had been stripped and used on a roof of a protestant church. The caretaker who lives near by greeted his friend Julia and then us. They showed us around the property. While David and Julia were looking at gravestones I wandered off a bit. I stopped by a 12’ x 12’ depression in the ground near some large bushes. The caretaker told me to be careful. Some of the area was unstable because of collapsed old graves. He told us that under the depression were the remains of several hundred victims of the Famine. During the Famine it was a deep open pit into which families put the bodies of their loved ones. There were too many deaths for proper burials. He said that people, who were half dead themselves, would bring their dead and some would sit on the side of the pit waiting to die. There is no record of their names. He told us that bones regularly rise up to the surface. They are collected and placed near the wall at the entrance to the church. Once a year there is a ceremony and they are reburied. David S. Campbell Ottawa Dennis Ahern <[email protected]> wrote: David Campbell asked: >Another question in the same vein is "What were the burial practices of >the rural Irish before the Famine other than in church cemetaries?" In >tracing my ancestors there are no records of their burial sites before >the mid 19th century. Has anyone researched this question? I don't know off hand what research has been done, but in researching the townland where my Lane ancestors lived in Innishannon I found that there was an old burial ground shown on the 19th century ordnance survey maps. It is still marked on the present day OS maps but if you go there you will find that it is no more than an uncultivated patch in the middle of some sugar beet fields. There are no stones nor walls, but the farmers all know where it is and simply plow around it. -dja ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David Campbell <[email protected]> asked: >Another question in the same vein is "What were the burial practices of >the rural Irish before the Famine other than in church cemetaries?" In >tracing my ancestors there are no records of their burial sites before >the mid 19th century. Has anyone researched this question? I don't know off hand what research has been done, but in researching the townland where my Lane ancestors lived in Innishannon I found that there was an old burial ground shown on the 19th century ordnance survey maps. It is still marked on the present day OS maps but if you go there you will find that it is no more than an uncultivated patch in the middle of some sugar beet fields. There are no stones nor walls, but the farmers all know where it is and simply plow around it. -dja

Denis Ahern, Another question in the same vein is "What were the burial practices of the rural Irish before the Famine other than in church cemetaries?" In tracing my ancestors there are no records of their burial sites before the mid 19th century. Has anyone researched this question? David S. Campbell Ottawa Canada Dennis Ahern <[email protected]> wrote: Barbara G Clark asked: >Was wondering if anyone can tell me where I could get Obituaries that >would likely have been In Skibbereen newspaper or Clonakilty newspaper if >there ever was one there? Are the relevant newspapers archived and >searchable from here or anyone I could hire in Ireland to look these up >if they are microfiche or filmed somewhere. See http://www.nli.ie/newsplan/default.htm for a list of newspapers available at the National Library in Dublin. Some of these papers are also available elsewhere, for example the O'Neill Library at Boston College. See http://www.irelandoldnews.com/obits/ for the Irish Death Notice Index which includes the following entry for a Wolfe from Clonakilty: WOLFE, Thomas J; ; Clonakilty COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1881-4-18; dja - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Irish Death Notice Database [email protected] | http://www.irelandoldnews.com/obits/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John I hope you enjoy your time in Australia.......lots to see and do......wonderful country.......I'm not prejudiced!!! Regards Joy Moloney - Wagga Wagga NSW Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "john tyner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:59 AM Subject: [COUNTYCORK] going on holiday > hi everyone, just to let you know i will be going to > australia for 3 weeks on 23rd april till 15th may. my > cousin is getting married and my mum and i have been > invited. incase any of you email me i wont be able to > reply until i get back > wishing you all good luck in your research > john tyner from wicklow ireland > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up > for > your free account today > http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara G Clark <[email protected]> asked: >Was wondering if anyone can tell me where I could get Obituaries that >would likely have been In Skibbereen newspaper or Clonakilty newspaper if >there ever was one there? Are the relevant newspapers archived and >searchable from here or anyone I could hire in Ireland to look these up >if they are microfiche or filmed somewhere. See http://www.nli.ie/newsplan/default.htm for a list of newspapers available at the National Library in Dublin. Some of these papers are also available elsewhere, for example the O'Neill Library at Boston College. See http://www.irelandoldnews.com/obits/ for the Irish Death Notice Index which includes the following entry for a Wolfe from Clonakilty: WOLFE, Thomas J; ; Clonakilty COR IRL; Cork Examiner; 1881-4-18; dja - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Irish Death Notice Database [email protected] | http://www.irelandoldnews.com/obits/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Is this family familiar to anyone? Jno SPILLANE, 40, dyer, &/ wife Vancey/Vandy (well, the index says 'Vandy;' the image could be 'Vancey;' I can't figure it out - perhaps a corruption of Annie?), 38, arrived in New York on the ship Louisiana from Liverpool, England, & Queenstown, Ireland, 2 October 1863. (New York Passenger Lists, 1851-1891). They were accompanied by: .....DAN, 18, laborer .....JULIA, 16 .....JERRY, 8 .....JAMES, 6 (indexed as 'Jane') .....DENIS, 4 (my great grandfather) .....infant (although indexed as 'female' this has to be PATRICK, who was the youngest) John SPILLANE first shows up in the ROCHESTER, MONROE, NY city directory in 1864 as a fancy dyer, living at 63 Mill. The directory shows that Daniel Spillane, laborer, boarded at 63 Mill. In Rochester, this family joined several other SPILLANEs already there, including, from the 1864 directory: PAUL, dyer, and JEREMIAH (he's the elder Jeremiah), dyeing and cleansing. There was also a James SPILLANE, fancy dyer, and later his widow, Johanna; I think they were born about 1800. This Jeremiah SPILLANE (the elder) first appeared in the Rochester directory in 1855. In the 1860 census he was enumerated as age 35, fancy dyer, with wife Mary and Julia, 2; and Helen 'Nellie,' 1. By 1870 they had relocated to DEERFIELD, ONEIDA, NY, where he was enumerated as a fancy dyer, and their family also included: Mary, 9; John, 8; Catherine 'Kate,' 6; Theresa, 5; and Morris, 1. Paul SPILLANE first appeared in Rochester in the 1860 federal census, where he was age 30 and his occupation was baker. I suspect he is the same as the Paul Spillane, 28, baker, last residence Ireland, who arrived in New York on the ship Ashburton from Liverpool, England, 28 August 1858. (Irish to America, 1846-1865 Passenger and Immigration Lists, Manifest ID # 901211). After the 1860 census entry showing him as a baker, Paul was consistently listed in the directories and censuses as a dyer, except for a few years where he was listed as a laborer at a foundry. In the 1870 census, John SPILLANE and Paul SPILLANE were enumerated at households 737 and 741. John was listed as a laborer at a foundry. Enumerated with him were Daniel, 25, moulder; Julia, 25, works in cotton mill; Jerry, 20, moulder; Dennis, 14, works in stove foundry; and Patrick, 12, at school. Paul was listed as a dyer. Enumerated with him were his wife Mary and John, 10; Ellen 'Nellie,' 8; Mary, 6; and Patrick, 4. By the 1880 census: +I have no more references to Daniel. +Julia had married James FITZSIMONS, a cabinetmaker. They remained in Rochester and reared a family. +Jeremiah (Jerry) had married Ann. +Dennis had married Catherine 'Kittie' Sullivan, and they had two children, John, and Annie. +Patrick H was living with Julia and her husband. During the 1880's: +Patrick married Margaret GALLAGHER. They remained in Rochester and reared a family: Alfred, Raymond, Francis, Marie, Edward, and Oswald, all born between 1885 and 1897. Patrick's occupation is usually 'moulder.' +Dennis and Jeremiah left Rochester for PHILADELPHIA, PA. Jeremiah later returned to Rochester, then left for LANCASTER, ERIE, NY. Their occupations consistently were 'moulder.' Dennis and Catherine remained in Philadelphia and reared a family, in addition to John (Annie died in 1880), their children were: Catherine, James, Helen Rose, Dennis Daniel, and Timothy, all born between 1881 and 1890.

Ballyglass is near Grenagh, Co. Cork - not far from Blarney JIM HERLIHY -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of VINCENT IMBRIANI Sent: 14 April 2007 21:01 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [COUNTYCORK] Ordnance Survey Map I was looking for Ballyglass, County Cork on this site but they did not have any info. Do you know where Ballyglass is located or does it not exist any more. Any help will be appreciated. Cathryn >From: Dennis Ahern <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >CC: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [COUNTYCORK] Ordnance Survey Map >Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 08:35:34 -0500 > > >"Jerry Walsh" <[email protected]> asked: > > >I need to know how to read the Ordnance Survey Map from the information > >on the Griffith's Valuation Record. > >What information is on the Griffith's Valuation Record to pin point where > >it is on the Ordnance Survey Map. > >The first column on the Griffith's Valuation tables is the map reference. >These are letters and numbers that correspond to numbers and letters >appearing on the Valuation maps. The appropriate individual map is >referenced as an O.S. number underneath the townland name in the second >column, and then underneath it the names of occupiers of each property. >See http://www.iol.ie/~kevelighan/Scans/Griffith%20Valuation%201858.jpg >for an example of a page from Griffith's Valuation. > >These property numbers do not appear on the Ordnance Survey maps. They are >only on the maps at the Valuation Office in Dublin. You can compare the >Valuation maps with the modern Ordnance Survey maps to identify where a >property was at the time of Griffith's Valuation. You do this by looking >at the landscape, roads, rivers, and other geographical features on the >old and new maps. See http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/tipp/OS68map.jpeg >for an example of a Valuation Office map. > >See: http://www.valoff.ie/index.htm > Valuation Office Ireland > > http://www.osi.ie/ > Irish Ordnance Survey Office > > http://www.osni.gov.uk/ > Ordnance Survey of Northern Ireland > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search =mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cathryn, Contact me directly to get a map of the area in which Ballyglass is. I tried to send it through the list but it is being held up because of its size or that they do not accept attachments. Bill Fahy www.westcorkgenealogy.com

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I was looking for Ballyglass, County Cork on this site but they did not have any info. Do you know where Ballyglass is located or does it not exist any more. Any help will be appreciated. Cathryn >From: Dennis Ahern <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >CC: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [COUNTYCORK] Ordnance Survey Map >Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 08:35:34 -0500 > > >"Jerry Walsh" <[email protected]> asked: > > >I need to know how to read the Ordnance Survey Map from the information > >on the Griffith's Valuation Record. > >What information is on the Griffith's Valuation Record to pin point where > >it is on the Ordnance Survey Map. > >The first column on the Griffith's Valuation tables is the map reference. >These are letters and numbers that correspond to numbers and letters >appearing on the Valuation maps. The appropriate individual map is >referenced as an O.S. number underneath the townland name in the second >column, and then underneath it the names of occupiers of each property. >See http://www.iol.ie/~kevelighan/Scans/Griffith%20Valuation%201858.jpg >for an example of a page from Griffith's Valuation. > >These property numbers do not appear on the Ordnance Survey maps. They are >only on the maps at the Valuation Office in Dublin. You can compare the >Valuation maps with the modern Ordnance Survey maps to identify where a >property was at the time of Griffith's Valuation. You do this by looking >at the landscape, roads, rivers, and other geographical features on the >old and new maps. See http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/tipp/OS68map.jpeg >for an example of a Valuation Office map. > >See: http://www.valoff.ie/index.htm > Valuation Office Ireland > > http://www.osi.ie/ > Irish Ordnance Survey Office > > http://www.osni.gov.uk/ > Ordnance Survey of Northern Ireland > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117

An 8 minute walk. Bill Fahy www.westcorkgenealogy.com

Any idea how far the center is from the Bus Eireann station? We'll be there for the Driscoll clan gathering this June and could stop over in Skibbereen for a couple of hours if it's not too far from the station, as we have to change buses there for Baltimore. ----- Original Message ---- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:04:15 PM Subject: [COUNTYCORK] Skibbereen center I have visited the center twice and it is well worth seeing if you are in Ireland. On the last visit as I was going in an Irish woman asked about her ancesters as we went in to view the exhibets - by the time we were finished the very helpful woman at the desk had come up with her ancestors in the 1901 and 1911 census. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Was wondering if anyone can tell me where I could get Obituaries that would likely have been In Skibbereen newspaper or Clonakilty newspaper if there ever was one there? Are the relevant newspapers archived and searchable from here or anyone I could hire in Ireland to look these up if they are microfiche or filmed somewhere. Assumably Wills for William Wolfe 1875 (death cert) and Richard Wolfe 1867(civil reg) are unavailable...but any suggestions for search ? Looking for obits and Wills for: my great grandfather Wm Wolfe b1849 d May 29 1939, Meil Rosscarberry, not sure where he is buried but was in Census info I got from Skibbereen Heritage center. great great grandfather Wm Wolfe b abt 1803 died July 8 1875 Bawnlahan Myross near Skibbereen, need to find more names of his children. I do not know where he is buried. and probable great, great, great Grandfather Richard Wolfe b 1783 died Sept 10 1867 Meil, Rosscarberry buried at Kilmeen parish.....any more info about him(siblings, wife, children etc) would be helpful. The parish records for Myross, Kilmacabea, Aughadown are among the missing in action and the Kilmeen records while wonderful, do not go back far enough for me to establish my 1700 lines for sure. I did see an old 1736 to 1811 headstone at Kilmeen church for Richard Wolfe. I have not been able to find a wife or children to follow him with certainty even though I suspect he belongs to my line of Wolfe that seemed to come from Caherkirky Kilmeen Parish.. I found bit of info for a Richard Wolfe married to Rachel Travers and his will (probate or written date???) in 1810. There were children Richard John Robert and Thomas. However I am unable to get the actual Will or where he lived and so cannot be sure if he is the Richard who was buried 1811 at Kilmeen. Until I get further info I am working on the assumption that the child of Richard and Rachel was Richard 1783-1867. To complicate matters further there was in Kilmeen records a burial for Richard Wolfe 1787 to 1862 of Aughadown. Are the Kilmeen Parish record Ch of Ire and RC on computer yet? Where are the census records for Rosscarbery, Clonakilty, Rossmore(Kilmeen Parish) Bandon, Timoleague, Kinsale, Cork city area . How can I get them searched for me for Wolfe name. Anyone one to hire to do it? Barbara

I have visited the center twice and it is well worth seeing if you are in Ireland. On the last visit as I was going in an Irish woman asked about her ancesters as we went in to view the exhibets - by the time we were finished the very helpful woman at the desk had come up with her ancestors in the 1901 and 1911 census.

For those interested in the Skibbereen area RC records prior to civil registration in 1864 the following from "The Southern Star" newspaper of this week may be of interest. I someone wishes to call direct from the United States they should drop the initial "0" from the telephone number below so that it would then be 011-353-28-40900. "Good news for those interested in genealogy: Skibbereen Heritage Centre has undertaken to computerise the Skibbereen, Rath and the Islands baptismal (from 1814) and marriages (from 1837) Roman Catholic Church records. The project will take some time, but will provide a valuable asset both for the parish and the town. A copy of the final database will be presented to the parish, as well as being available at Skibbereen Heritage Centre. At present, the centre has the 1901 and 1911 census records computerised for the greater Skibbereen area, as well as the index for the Griffith's Valuation and various directories. Some local families have also donated their genealogy records to the centre to assist those making further enquires on the same family and many distant relatives have been connected over the years. The centre is working off index records, rather than source documents, and can also answer genealogy queries off these while the work is in progress. Ring 028-40900 for further details, if required." Bill Fahy www.westcorkgenealogy.com

Yes, they are very kind and have been very helpful. You can also email them at: [email protected] There is a fee for them to search for you, but it is not outrageous and the money goes to support the work of the center. Tara ----- Original Message ---- From: William P. Fahy <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:42:46 AM Subject: [COUNTYCORK] Skibbereen Area Baptismal & Marriage Records For those interested in the Skibbereen area RC records prior to civil registration in 1864 the following from "The Southern Star" newspaper of this week may be of interest. I someone wishes to call direct from the United States they should drop the initial "0" from the telephone number below so that it would then be 011-353-28-40900. "Good news for those interested in genealogy: Skibbereen Heritage Centre has undertaken to computerise the Skibbereen, Rath and the Islands baptismal (from 1814) and marriages (from 1837) Roman Catholic Church records. The project will take some time, but will provide a valuable asset both for the parish and the town. A copy of the final database will be presented to the parish, as well as being available at Skibbereen Heritage Centre. At present, the centre has the 1901 and 1911 census records computerised for the greater Skibbereen area, as well as the index for the Griffith's Valuation and various directories. Some local families have also donated their genealogy records to the centre to assist those making further enquires on the same family and many distant relatives have been connected over the years. The centre is working off index records, rather than source documents, and can also answer genealogy queries off these while the work is in progress. Ring 028-40900 for f! urther details, if required." Bill Fahy www.westcorkgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The only Irish census available is for 1901 and 1911 all others have been destroyed, burnt and used for pulp. I have a microfilm of Vol XI of Albert Casey work but it is very difficult to read. Some parts are side to side and others are top to bottom. There's small print and large print and so on. Try to google Ballyvourney and you might get the info you need. Kay -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sharie Paulson Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:37 PM To: Ireland, County Cork Subject: [COUNTYCORK] census records Did County Cork have census records like the US in 1850, 60 and etc? How big was Ballyvourney in the late 1800's? Did they have more than one Catholic Church? And if not what Church was there after 1850? Maybe someone from Ireland can answer some of these questions. Thanks a bunch. Sharie Moss Bluff, LA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Did County Cork have census records like the US in 1850, 60 and etc? How big was Ballyvourney in the late 1800's? Did they have more than one Catholic Church? And if not what Church was there after 1850? Maybe someone from Ireland can answer some of these questions. Thanks a bunch. Sharie Moss Bluff, LA