Kay....and all... Here is a chronological list of Genforum messages describing my search for my grandmother's Couch line. I got my original info from other family members who worked on our line. They told me that John F was born in 1870 and his father, William was born abt 1845. Using these two dates, I zeroed in on the Irvin Couch line. # 1 My original message. My grandmother, Mary Elcie Couch was born in Ardmore, Okla in 1892. Father John Couch b. 1870 in Ark. Mother Lizzie(probably Elizabeth) Brinkley b. abt 1870 in Ark. John's father was a William Couch b Abt 1845 in Ark or Georgia. I think it is possible John's father was Irvin Couch b Abt 1823 in Georgia, Md. Lucy Rose... # 2 A coupla replies by Ray Hatton suggesting the Lewis Couch/Zenoria Brinkley connection.. Jess, You might try the 1880 U. S. Census for Craig twp, Van Buren County, Arkansas. There is a Lewis Couch, age 57, born in Tennessee, wife's name Linda? Louisa?, age 34, born in Tennessee. Lewis Couch's mother, Charity Couch, age 82, born in Kentucky. Lewis' children were: Charity E., 18, William, 12, Nancy, 8, Carroll, 7, Lizzie, 4, and Callie Louisa Couch, 2. Callie was my grandmother. #3 Jess, In a previous message I suggested you check the 1870 Census for Van Buren, AR. My great grandfather William Lewis Couch married Zenoria Brinkley. I believe Elizabeth to be her sister, and that she married William Lewis Couch' brother John F. Couch. I believe Elizabeth and John lived in southwestern Oklahoma near Davis. My great grandmother, Zenoria, is buried in the Blanchard, Oklahoma cemetery. I also have found that John F. Couch was of Cherokee ancestry and did have a Cherokee Roll number. Here is a chronological list of Genforum messages describing my search for my grandmother's Couch line. I got my original info from other family members who worked on our line. They told me that John F was born in 1870 and his father, William was born abt 1845. Using these two dates, I zeroed in on the Irvin Couch line. # 1 My original message. My grandmother, Mary Elcie Couch was born in Ardmore, Okla in 1892. Father John Couch b. 1870 in Ark. Mother Lizzie(probably Elizabeth) Brinkley b. abt 1870 in Ark. John's father was a William Couch b Abt 1845 in Ark or Georgia. I think it is possible John's father was Irvin Couch b Abt 1823 in Georgia, Md. Lucy Rose... # 2 A coupla replies by Ray Hatton suggesting the Lewis Couch/Zenoria Brinkley connection.. Jess, You might try the 1880 U. S. Census for Craig twp, Van Buren County, Arkansas. There is a Lewis Couch, age 57, born in Tennessee, wife's name Linda? Louisa?, age 34, born in Tennessee. Lewis Couch's mother, Charity Couch, age 82, born in Kentucky. Lewis' children were: Charity E., 18, William, 12, Nancy, 8, Carroll, 7, Lizzie, 4, and Callie Louisa Couch, 2. Callie was my grandmother. #3 Jess, In a previous message I suggested you check the 1870 Census for Van Buren, AR. My great grandfather William Lewis Couch married Zenoria Brinkley. I believe Elizabeth to be her sister, and that she married William Lewis Couch' brother John F. Couch. I believe Elizabeth and John lived in southwestern Oklahoma near Davis. My great grandmother, Zenoria, is buried in the Blanchard, Oklahoma cemetery. I also have found that John F. Couch was of Cherokee ancestry and did have a Cherokee Roll number. And finally, my latest message to Ray Hatton. Hi Ray...thanx for your reply...you did indeed reply to a Genforum mesage suggesting I check on the Zenoria Brinkley and Elizabeth Brinkley connection. I went off on a tangent because I could never prove/disprove anything. I actually "assumed" that my Couch was a descendant of Irvin Couch, which would make your connection a line I would not pursue. My change in thinking NOW is that indeed Zenoria and Elizabeth were sisters and the Hugh/Lewis/William/John connection was indeed my family. My first positive proof was when I got a copy of the 1900 Census for Indian Territory. There is found John Couch and Elizabeth along with the right children, including my grandmother, Elsie. From there I went back to the next available census, 1880. In Faulkner Co, Arkansas is found side by side...My John and Elizabeth; their brother Hugh....then Lewis...living side by side. They had to be brothers, etc....And then from thence I went to the 1870 Census in Van Buren Arkansas...and in one household # 51 in Craig Township are the following: Lewis Couch, his wife "Zenordia", their children (5) total; Charity (Powell) age 70; L.A. Plummer son in law of Lewis, his wife Mary (Lewis Dtr); then William Brinkley age 16 (I can't tie him into Zenoria or Elizabeth yet, but sure he fits somewhere); and finally John Couch and his wife Elizabeth! All in the same household. This is pretty good proof to all of my present "assumptions". 1.) That Elizabeth is Zenoria's sister, thus dtr of Simeon...that John F. is the son of William Lewis Couch... I have downloaded from FTMaker a file which includes your line (you probably sent it to them) and added Elizabeth and John F into the families... I have attached a coupla of reports showing these connections... I will continue to work on these and follow up later... I must emphasize two things: 1.) the 1900 Census gives John's birthday as 1849 not 1870..so I was 20 years off in my original thinking.It gives Elizabeth Brinkley's birth as 1851.again I was off by 20 years.it shows the correct siblings along with my grandmother.their birt dates coincide.and it shows that John's father was born in Tennessee not North Carolina, but his mother (Charity Powell) shows being born in Tennessee. And another fit is the daughter of John and Elizabeth living with them along with her husband, who was named Stephens.this fits our family remembering that Nancy Couch did indeed marry a man named Stephens.. 2.) That the 1880 Census in Faulkner/Union Co/Ark show all of these living side by side and Charity living with the Lewis Couch, who Ray Hatton and I agree must be William Lewis Couch b 1823, son of John Couch and Charity Powell. Here is the descendant report showing Zenoria's line down to the Hatton family.. Descendants of John Couch Generation No. 1 1. John1 Couch was born 1800 in North Carolina, and died WFT Est. 1842-1891 in Arkansas. He married Charity Powell December 29, 1818 in Mauray Co Tennessee, daughter of Lewis Powell and ? Choate. She was born 1800 in North Carolina, and died 1887 in Van Buren Co Arkansas. Notes for John Couch: They are both possibly buried in Beverage Creek, Arkansas, in a family cemetery which would possibly be on private property and has no name. Need to check records for land owned by them- There is Homestead Applications- Children of John Couch and Charity Powell are: + 2 i. Nancy Jane2 Couch, born 1818 in Tennessee; died WFT Est. 1852-1913. + 3 ii. Hardin Couch, born 1821; died WFT Est. 1842-1911. 4 iii. Elizabeth Betsy Couch, born 1824; died WFT Est. 1825-1918. + 5 iv. William Lewis Couch, born 1825 in Tennessee; died 1885 in Van Buren Co Arkansas. 6 v. John (Jr) Couch, born 1828; died WFT Est. 1829-1918. + 7 vi. Hugh Couch, born 1829 in Kentucky; died WFT Est. 1862-1920. 8 vii. Ruben Couch, born July 17, 1839; died WFT Est. 1840-1929. 9 viii. John F. Couch, born November 1849 in Arkansas. He married Elizabeth Brinkley; born April 1851 in Tenn. Generation No. 2 2. Nancy Jane2 Couch (John1) was born 1818 in Tennessee, and died WFT Est. 1852-1913. She married Robert McGinty WFT Est. 1831-1864. He was born WFT Est. 1793-1824, and died WFT Est. 1852-1908. Children of Nancy Couch and Robert McGinty are: 10 i. Margaret3 McGinty, born 1849; died WFT Est. 1863-1943. She married William Day Hill WFT Est. 1863-1896; born WFT Est. 1832-1852; died WFT Est. 1866-1938. 11 ii. John McGinty, born 1838; died WFT Est. 1839-1928. 12 iii. Newton McGinty, born 1841; died WFT Est. 1842-1931. 13 iv. Jane McGinty, born 1843; died WFT Est. 1844-1937. 14 v. William McGinty, born 1846; died WFT Est. 1847-1936. 15 vi. Eliza McGinty, born 1847; died WFT Est. 1848-1941. 3. Hardin2 Couch (John1) was born 1821, and died WFT Est. 1842-1911. He married ??? Susan WFT Est. 1838-1871. She was born WFT Est. 1817-1837, and died WFT Est. 1842-1921. Child of Hardin Couch and ??? Susan is: 16 i. Mary3 Couch, born WFT Est. 1842-1871; died WFT Est. 1847-1953. 5. William Lewis2 Couch (John1) was born 1825 in Tennessee, and died 1885 in Van Buren Co Arkansas. He married (1) Nancy Scroggins WFT Est. 1841-1860, daughter of Henson Scroggins. She was born 1825, and died 1865. He married (2) Zenoria Brinkley 1866 in Van Buren Co Arkansas, daughter of Simeon Brinkley and Nancy ?. She was born 1846 in Henderson Co Tennessee, and died 1910 in Blanchard Oklahoma. Marriage Notes for William Couch and Zenoria Brinkley: Another date for date of marriage is given as July 5 1905. Need to check which is correct- Children of William Couch and Nancy Scroggins are: 17 i. Mary Jane3 Couch, born WFT Est. 1844-1864; died WFT Est. 1860-1950. She married I. A. Plumber WFT Est. 1860-1901; born WFT Est. 1834-1863; died WFT Est. 1860-1945. 18 ii. John Couch, born WFT Est. 1844-1864; died WFT Est. 1850-1947. 19 iii. Lewis Couch, born WFT Est. 1844-1864; died WFT Est. 1850-1947. 20 iv. Hugh Couch, born WFT Est. 1844-1864; died WFT Est. 1850-1947. Children of William Couch and Zenoria Brinkley are: 21 i. Robert William3 Couch, born 1869; died WFT Est. 1870-1959. + 22 ii. Nancy Couch, born 1871; died WFT Est. 1889-1965. 23 iii. Carroll Couch, born 1873; died WFT Est. 1874-1963. + 24 iv. Elizabeth Couch, born 1876; died WFT Est. 1894-1970. + 25 v. Callie Louisa Couch, born March 13, 1878 in Van Buren Co Arkansas; died April 02, 1959 in Ada Pontotoc Co Oklahoma. + 26 vi. Sarah Couch, born 1883; died WFT Est. 1910-1977. 7. Hugh2 Couch (John1) was born 1829 in Kentucky, and died WFT Est. 1862-1920. He married ??? Caroline WFT Est. 1842-1877. She was born WFT Est. 1811-1837, and died WFT Est. 1862-1925. Children of Hugh Couch and ??? Caroline are: 27 i. Lewis3 Couch, born 1850; died WFT Est. 1851-1940. 28 ii. Isiah J. Couch, born 1854; died WFT Est. 1855-1944. 29 iii. Henry Couch, born 1859; died WFT Est. 1860-1949. Generation No. 3 22. Nancy3 Couch (William Lewis2, John1) was born 1871, and died WFT Est. 1889-1965. She married ? McAlister WFT Est. 1885-1918. He was born WFT Est. 1854-1874, and died WFT Est. 1889-1960. Children of Nancy Couch and ? McAlister are: + 30 i. Viney4 McAlister, born Private. 31 ii. Mary McAlister, born Private. 32 iii. Letha McAlister, born Private. 33 iv. Homer McAlister, born WFT Est. 1889-1912; died WFT Est. 1894-1993. 24. Elizabeth3 Couch (William Lewis2, John1) was born 1876, and died WFT Est. 1894-1970. She married Thomas Stobaugh WFT Est. 1890-1923. He was born WFT Est. 1859-1879, and died WFT Est. 1894-1965. Children of Elizabeth Couch and Thomas Stobaugh are: 34 i. Charity4 Stobaugh, born Private. 35 ii. Martha Stobaugh, born Private. 36 iii. Mary Stobaugh, born Private. 37 iv. John Stobaugh, born Private. 25. Callie Louisa3 Couch (William Lewis2, John1) was born March 13, 1878 in Van Buren Co Arkansas, and died April 02, 1959 in Ada Pontotoc Co Oklahoma. She married (1) William Nathan Bennett WFT Est. 1890-1902. He was born 1859, and died 1903. She married (2) George Painter Hatton July 05, 1905 in Ardmore, Indian Territory Oklahoma, son of William Hatton and Susan Painter. He was born January 18, 1858 in Texas, and died April 14, 1926 in Stonewall Pontotoc Co Oklahoma. Notes for Callie Louisa Couch: Facts about this person: Burial Jesse Cemetery Pontotoc Co Oklahoma More About Callie Louisa Couch: Fact 1: See Note Page Marriage Notes for Callie Couch and George Hatton: Copy of Marriage license in file-G P Hatton, age 48,of Stonewall in the Indian Territory and Mrs C L Bennett age 27, of Stonewall- were married July 5 1905, Married by Rev H T Lyles, Minister of the M E (Methodist) Church. South in Muskogee, Indian Territory Oklahoma. Children of Callie Couch and William Bennett are: + 38 i. Winston4 Bennett, born 1901; died WFT Est. 1922-1991. + 39 ii. Zendora Iva Bennett, born 1899; died WFT Est. 1917-1993. + 40 iii. William Nathan Bennett, born 1903; died 1981. Children of Callie Couch and George Hatton are: + 41 i. Gentry Pratt4 Hatton, born Private. 42 ii. Eva Hatton, born Private. 43 iii. Luther Hatton, born January 09, 1909; died January 22, 1996 in Stonewall , Pontotoc Co Oklahoma. He married ??? Mary; born Private. 44 iv. Roy Hatton, born Private. 45 v. Beulah Hatton, born Private. 26. Sarah3 Couch (William Lewis2, John1) was born 1883, and died WFT Est. 1910-1977. She married John Pritt WFT Est. 1896-1928. He was born WFT Est. 1853-1883, and died WFT Est. 1909-1969. Children of Sarah Couch and John Pritt are: 46 i. William4 Pritt, born 1902; died WFT Est. 1903-1992. 47 ii. Rose Pritt, born 1901; died WFT Est. 1902-1995. 48 iii. Edward Pritt, born 1906; died WFT Est. 1907-1996. And finally.here is what I currently believe to be my grandmother's ancestors. Ancestors of Elizabeth Brinkley Generation No. 1 1. Elizabeth Brinkley, born April 1851 in Tenn. She was the daughter of 2. Simeon Brinkley and 3. Nancy ?. She married (1) John F. Couch. He was born November 1849 in Arkansas. He was the son of John Couch and Charity Powell. Generation No. 2 2. Simeon Brinkley, born 1825 in NC; died 1858 in Henderson Co Tn/ Independence Co Arkansas?. He was the son of 4. Bumpus Brinkley and 5. Elizabeth Jinkins. He married 3. Nancy ? 1841 in Henderson Co Tennessee. 3. Nancy ?, born 1825 in Tenn. Notes for Simeon Brinkley: Nancy is Simeon's 2nd wife-need to locate name of first- Children of Simeon Brinkley and Nancy ? are: i. James Brinkley, born 1841 in Tenn; died WFT Est. 1842-1931. ii. John Brinkley, born 1843 in Tenn; died WFT Est. 1844-1933. iii. Sarah A. Brinkley, born 1845 in Tenn; died WFT Est. 1846-1939. iv. Zenoria Brinkley, born 1846 in Henderson Co Tennessee; died 1910 in Blanchard Oklahoma; married William Lewis Couch 1866 in Van Buren Co Arkansas; born 1825 in Tennessee; died 1885 in Van Buren Co Arkansas. Marriage Notes for Zenoria Brinkley and William Couch: Another date for date of marriage is given as July 5 1905. Need to check which is correct- v. Alexander Brinkley, born 1849 in Tenn; died WFT Est. 1850-1939. 1 vi. Elizabeth Brinkley, born April 1851 in Tenn; married John F. Couch. vii. William Brinkley, born 1854; died WFT Est. 1855-1944. viii. Samuel Brinkley, born 1858; died WFT Est. 1884-1949; married ??? Alice 1878 in Coway Co Arkansas; born WFT Est. 1841-1865; died WFT Est. 1883-1954. Generation No. 3 4. Bumpus Brinkley, born 1801 in Grandville Co North Carolina; died January 02, 1865 in Van Buren Co Arkansas. He was the son of 8. Simeon Brinkley and 9. Levinia Roundtree. He married 5. Elizabeth Jinkins January 03, 1824 in Orange Co North Carolina. 5. Elizabeth Jinkins, born Abt. 1801 in Hillsborough, Orange, NC; died WFT Est. 1843-1896. Children of Bumpus Brinkley and Elizabeth Jinkins are: 2 i. Simeon Brinkley, born 1825 in NC; died 1858 in Henderson Co Tn/ Independence Co Arkansas?; married Nancy ? 1841 in Henderson Co Tennessee. ii. John Brinkley, born 1836 in NC; died WFT Est. 1837-1926. iii. William Brinkley, born 1839 in NC; died 1880; married Mary A WFT Est. 1853-1876; born WFT Est. 1825-1849; died WFT Est. 1873-1937. iv. Bumpus (Jr) Brinkley, born 1841 in Henderson Co Tennessee; died WFT Est. 1874-1932 in Independence Arkansas; married Martha A. Hill WFT Est. 1853-1882; born 1826; died 1888. Generation No. 4 8. Simeon Brinkley, born WFT Est. 1749-1790; died WFT Est. 1808-1875. He was the son of John Brinkley. He married 9. Levinia Roundtree 1789 in Gates North Carolina. 9. Levinia Roundtree, born WFT Est. 1752-1778; died WFT Est. 1804-1866. Child of Simeon Brinkley and Levinia Roundtree is: 4 i. Bumpus Brinkley, born 1801 in Grandville Co North Carolina; died January 02, 1865 in Van Buren Co Arkansas; married Elizabeth Jinkins January 03, 1824 in Orange Co North Carolina. -----Original Message----- From: KAYCOUCH@aol.com [mailto:KAYCOUCH@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:08 PM To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COUCH] Questions ref. John Couch son of Drury Jess good to hear from you!!! I donated the book. I lucky enough to get a good copy of Jim Dodson and I had them reprinted. I am glad at least one person has found the book. I'm not smart enough to put anything on the net, so it would be good if you did!! What have you found in Union county?? Kay Couch-Lopez In a message dated 9/9/03 9:17:44 AM, jess@ujointsinc.com writes: << Three years ago, I made a trip to Arkansas to research the Couch family of Magnolia/Calhoun/Union county. By accident, I went to the little town of washington, Arkansas (the first capital of the confederacy). Neat town great history....anyway...they have a schoolhouse there which houses the"Soutwest Arkansas Regional Archives"..I of course popped in to look around...what a gold mine...one of the books located there was one called "The History of Old Calhoun" written in 1930. They have a whole section with the story of the Couch Family written by Mrs. W.M. Jones. She details in about 6 pages with several pictures (William Couch b 1798; Quincy and his wife: rev Thomas G. Couch and his wife; and of course, S.O. Couch)the story of William and Rebecca's story...great stuff...I took photocopies....it is a small book only 37 pages...but it has biographical stories on several of the families from that time period. They are: Dees, Dixon, Baker, Barnett, Booth,Couch, Foster, Gunnels, Hutcheson,McKay,Newton, Owsley,Paschall, and Terrell. It also has a good overview of the history of the area, with many individuals mentioned..The Couch family has the longest section.. I also visted the cemetery in Magnolia and tho I didn't take pictures, I wrote most of the Couch names and info down....my wife was very impatient....William and rebecca are there, along with many of their descendants... I also vistited the "library" now house in the electric/city utility building...I personally saw and handled many land, wills, slave records, estate records, eta ll of William and his children...especially interesting were the slave inventories...William owned many....Irvin himself was a large plantation holder who owed 50 slaves... I have not typed the cemetery info into the computer yet...longhand only...hope to get it done...someday....but I do have a phocopy of this book...I will get it scanned into my computer soon and I will share it with any and all of you who are interested.... Sorry to ramble... Jess Headley Lubbock, Texas >> ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237