Ellen, I have been going over all your e-mails which I have saved and again, I want to get your help in searching for Captain John Couch who came to VA/? from England and was father to John, James b 1739, and your Orrell G. Couch. Since Dr Richard Couch of Tulsa, OK and I are both in DNA group 5 you and I also have a common ancestor. Who was related to your Captain John Couch? If James Couch was born in 1739 Capt John Couch was probably born somehwere between 1700-1720 give or tåke a few years before 1700. My projected Ancestor Thomas Couch was in Brunswick County, VA as early as 1720 when he got a land grant there and had his son Thomas Jr about 1710-1720. Thus Thomas Couch Sr was most likely born somewhere between 1690-1700. Could my Thomas and your Captain John possibly be brothers? Both we know came from England, both may have been born in England (possibly Cornwall/Devon England). And they had sons who settled first in Virginia my Thomas Couch JR in Brunswick Co, VA until about 1750 and your James and John in Buckingham County, VA in 1755-70. I have records of One John in Brunswick Co, VA as well as a William, a James and perhaps an Edward as well as Thomas SR. I am enclosing a list of early Couches in Virginia. See if any of these may be related to your Captain John Couch, father of John and James. Earliest Known Couches in America Before 1700 New England 1640 Brothers SIMON AND THOMAS COUCH arrived in Conneticut from Devonshire Eng. Simon m Mary Andrews. 1670 ROBERT COUCH in Charleston, Mass Court as defendent in Witchcraft case Virginia bef. 1624 Thomas Crouch/Couch came to James City, VA on ship Bonaventure before 1624/Land previously owned by Thomas Crouch mentioned (Foley, 1979) in James City, VA in 1638 1635 James Cittie, VA William Crouch arrived as indentured servant courtesy of David Mancell 1662 AMBROSE COUCH IN MD IN 1662. 1667 MATTHEW COUCH arrived James Citie, VA as indentured servant courtesy of Roger Womsley. 1684 THOMAS COUCH arrived in VA Aug 29-Sept 1, 1684 from Plymouth via Charles captained by Capt Edward Blagg. 1693 THOMAS COUCH listed as a Plymouth VA merhant (Coloinia Recds SR 00376 p. 2) 1693 ROBERT COUCH came to VA 1693 Glouchester County. Robert Couch given land patent # 8 on April 29, 1693 containing 66 acres in Gloucester Co, VA./ Rent Role Glouchester Co, VA 100 acres, 1704 1693-1701 THOMAS COUCH listed as Master of ships Fortune in 1663, Palm Tree in 1697, 1698, 1699 and Friendly Society of London (Pink 60 tons) during visit to Rappahannonk District, VA from Sept 29, 1701. Virginia -1700-1725 1700 EDWARD COUCH & WIFE AVERILLA, MIDDLESEX COUNTY, VA. CHILDREN: ROBERT COUCH b DEC 1704 CHRIST CHURCH, MIDDLESEX CO, VA; ELIZABETH, b DEC 29, 1706; EDWARD b MAY 2, 1708 CHRIST CHURCH MIDDLESEX CO, VA EDWARD COUCH LAND DEAL IN MIDDLESEX CO, VA 1724. 1702 CROUCH¹S CREEK TO JAMESTOWN, VA VIA BOAT; FEES FOR MAN AND HORSE THREE ROYALS; IN JAMESTOWN THE PRICE TO SWANS POINT FOR MAN ONE ROYAL. TO CROUCHES CREEK FROM JAMESTOWN MAN AND HORSE 3 ROYALS; AT CHICAHOMINY MAN AND HORSE SIX PENSE. BOAT ALSO LANDED AT COFIELD. 1711 EDWARD COUCH married Sarah Thompson on Feb 26, 1711 Christ Chruch Middlsex Co VA 1695-1732 ALEXANDER AND CHARLES COUCH IN VA 1720 THOMAS & ELIZABETH COUCH RECEIVED LAND GRANT BRUNSWICK CO, VA RECORDED IN WILLIAMSBURG, VA. ON COUCH¹S CREEK (NORTH BRANCH OF MEHERRIN RIVER NOW LUENBURG CO, VA). At one time in Prince George Co, VA. 1720 THOMAS COUCH JR b Brunswick Co, VA. 1725 THOMAS AND ELIZABETH COUCH gave birth to son MATTHEW COUCH on July 25Th in Brunswick Co, Bristol Parish, VA (FROM BRISTOL PARISH REGISTER OF HENRICO, PRINCE GEORGE AND DINWIDDLE COUNTIES OF VA 170-1798. Virginia 1730-1765 1730 Found on Hotten¹s List in VA 1730 was: Thomas ; William & James Couch. 1731 THOMAS COUCH granted 566 acres on th Pinelick Branch in VA (Microfilm VA State Land Office, Patents 1-42 Reels 1-41) 1735 Thomas Wilson deeds of lease or release of VA land to THOMAS COUCH JR, JAMES COUCH, WILLIAM COUCH not properly recorded due to error. Wilson seeks and is granted court permission to correct error. 1736 THOMAS COUCH SR (HIS MARK) AND THOMAS COUCH JR. (HIS MARK) SOLD for 5 lbs 150 acres in St Andrews Parish to John Couch Jr. 1739 THOMAS COUCH SR AND THOMAS COUCH JR sell 566 acres of property on Pine Lick Branch (part of Thomas Couch Sr original land patent) to Drury Stitch. Land next to John Stroud. 1754 Thomas Couch receives land grant in Orange County, NC. From Granville Proprietary Deeds and Surveys Oct 23, 1754. John Sroud Jr gentleman, three shillings on Old Field Creek of waters of New Hope. 13 Shillings rent per year. Surveyed May 14 1753, by Matthew Couch and John Stroud Sr. 1755 James Couch born. He died in Clairborne Co, MS on April 16, 1826. 1755 Orange County, North Carolina Tax list: MATTHEW, JAMES, WILLIAM AND THOMAS COUCH. LAND surveyed by Edward Stone and Thomas Couch. Surveyed Jun 9, 1757 deed granted July 28 1760. 1760 Edward Stone and THOMAS COUCH SCC surveyed land on Aug 31, 1759 For William Cox. 1760 JOHN COUCH and William Cox surveyed land for Edward Stone Aug 9th. 1764 MATTHEW COUCH sold land in Orange Co, NC to Archibald ? on Aug 14. We may just be close to finding a common ancestor and taking us back another step in our line. Perhaps your John who came from England was the first of our Couches in the U. S. Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: "emcht" <emcht@oecadvantage.net> >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] Elihugh K. Couch >Date: Sun, Sep 7, 2003, 10:24 AM > >Robert three of the best sources that we have found on the Couch lineage >are: > >1. "Genealogy" by Willard Heiss. A publication of the Family History >Section Indiana Historical Society, July1983, No. 78. This is a Case Study >in Family Reconstruction within a "Burned County". by Elizabeth Shown >Mills, CG, FASG. > > > >2. "The Virginia Genealogist, Volume 30, number 4, Whole number 120, >October-December, 1986." >The Virginia Genealogist (ISSN 0300-645X) Editor: John Frederick Dorman, >Published quarterly by John Frederick Dorman. >This covers A Case Study in Family Reconstruction with in "Burned" County, >by Elizabeth Show Mills, CG, FASG, Tuscaloosa, Alabans. > >3. A History of Buckingham County (VA) by Eugene A. Maloney but this is >just a history of the county and important historically but may not be worth >the trouble to research. > >These are just some of the works that might help in our quest for facts but >as all published materials needs our own verification. > >I don't have a web site for the Anderson line but will try and search later >today. >As to any one who has taken a DNA from the John Couch who died in Hopkins >County in 1840, I have not a clue. I can identify only three male >descendants by name but other wise I have no idea where they could be found. > >This is descending order: >John>James>John>Orrel (my greatgrandfather)>John W>Roy Virgil>Roy C. >Sons of Roy C: Roy Virgil Couch, born 15 Aug 1948; Gregg Milton, born 4 Feb >1950; and John george Couch, born 18 Sep 1852. I do know that Roy C was >born 19 Feb 1922 and died Dec 1982 in Sheridan Co, WY and was married to >Pola June Barney, on 1 Jun 1947 in Rawlins, Caron Co, WY. >This is all I can help you with but may it will be some assistance. >best searching. ellen > > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Robert, I am leaving on a trip (seek, search, and disappointment) but will answer when I return. However, the Orrel G. Couch is the son of John Couch who died in Hopkins county Ky in 1840. I have nothing before the Captain John Couch who was born in England as well as his eldest son, James. Bev Blum has been the one who traced these names that far back and I will contact her again when I get home but to my knowledge no connection before Capt John Couch has been made. While you are searching, you might consider there was also a Solomon (something like that) living in VA in about that time. My line has been researched more thru the links to Massie, Earle, Howard, etc. Also the name of Prince is there also. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Couch, Robert H. " <rcouchauburn@mindspring.com> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [COUCH] Elihugh K. Couch Ellen, I have been going over all your e-mails which I have saved and again, I want to get your help in searching for Captain John Couch who came to VA/? from England and was father to John, James b 1739, and your Orrell G. Couch. Since Dr Richard Couch of Tulsa, OK and I are both in DNA group 5 you and I also have a common ancestor. Who was related to your Captain John Couch? If James Couch was born in 1739 Capt John Couch was probably born somehwere between 1700-1720 give or tåke a few years before 1700. My projected Ancestor Thomas Couch was in Brunswick County, VA as early as 1720 when he got a land grant there and had his son Thomas Jr about 1710-1720. Thus Thomas Couch Sr was most likely born somewhere between 1690-1700. Could my Thomas and your Captain John possibly be brothers? Both we know came from England, both may have been born in England (possibly Cornwall/Devon England). And they had sons who settled first in Virginia my Thomas Couch JR in Brunswick Co, VA until about 1750 and your James and John in Buckingham County, VA in 1755-70. I have records of One John in Brunswick Co, VA as well as a William, a James and perhaps an Edward as well as Thomas SR. I am enclosing a list of early Couches in Virginia. See if any of these may be related to your Captain John Couch, father of John and James. Earliest Known Couches in America Before 1700 New England 1640 Brothers SIMON AND THOMAS COUCH arrived in Conneticut from Devonshire Eng. Simon m Mary Andrews. 1670 ROBERT COUCH in Charleston, Mass Court as defendent in Witchcraft case Virginia bef. 1624 Thomas Crouch/Couch came to James City, VA on ship Bonaventure before 1624/Land previously owned by Thomas Crouch mentioned (Foley, 1979) in James City, VA in 1638 1635 James Cittie, VA William Crouch arrived as indentured servant courtesy of David Mancell 1662 AMBROSE COUCH IN MD IN 1662. 1667 MATTHEW COUCH arrived James Citie, VA as indentured servant courtesy of Roger Womsley. 1684 THOMAS COUCH arrived in VA Aug 29-Sept 1, 1684 from Plymouth via Charles captained by Capt Edward Blagg. 1693 THOMAS COUCH listed as a Plymouth VA merhant (Coloinia Recds SR 00376 p. 2) 1693 ROBERT COUCH came to VA 1693 Glouchester County. Robert Couch given land patent # 8 on April 29, 1693 containing 66 acres in Gloucester Co, VA./ Rent Role Glouchester Co, VA 100 acres, 1704 1693-1701 THOMAS COUCH listed as Master of ships Fortune in 1663, Palm Tree in 1697, 1698, 1699 and Friendly Society of London (Pink 60 tons) during visit to Rappahannonk District, VA from Sept 29, 1701. Virginia -1700-1725 1700 EDWARD COUCH & WIFE AVERILLA, MIDDLESEX COUNTY, VA. CHILDREN: ROBERT COUCH b DEC 1704 CHRIST CHURCH, MIDDLESEX CO, VA; ELIZABETH, b DEC 29, 1706; EDWARD b MAY 2, 1708 CHRIST CHURCH MIDDLESEX CO, VA EDWARD COUCH LAND DEAL IN MIDDLESEX CO, VA 1724. 1702 CROUCH¹S CREEK TO JAMESTOWN, VA VIA BOAT; FEES FOR MAN AND HORSE THREE ROYALS; IN JAMESTOWN THE PRICE TO SWANS POINT FOR MAN ONE ROYAL. TO CROUCHES CREEK FROM JAMESTOWN MAN AND HORSE 3 ROYALS; AT CHICAHOMINY MAN AND HORSE SIX PENSE. BOAT ALSO LANDED AT COFIELD. 1711 EDWARD COUCH married Sarah Thompson on Feb 26, 1711 Christ Chruch Middlsex Co VA 1695-1732 ALEXANDER AND CHARLES COUCH IN VA 1720 THOMAS & ELIZABETH COUCH RECEIVED LAND GRANT BRUNSWICK CO, VA RECORDED IN WILLIAMSBURG, VA. ON COUCH¹S CREEK (NORTH BRANCH OF MEHERRIN RIVER NOW LUENBURG CO, VA). At one time in Prince George Co, VA. 1720 THOMAS COUCH JR b Brunswick Co, VA. 1725 THOMAS AND ELIZABETH COUCH gave birth to son MATTHEW COUCH on July 25Th in Brunswick Co, Bristol Parish, VA (FROM BRISTOL PARISH REGISTER OF HENRICO, PRINCE GEORGE AND DINWIDDLE COUNTIES OF VA 170-1798. Virginia 1730-1765 1730 Found on Hotten¹s List in VA 1730 was: Thomas ; William & James Couch. 1731 THOMAS COUCH granted 566 acres on th Pinelick Branch in VA (Microfilm VA State Land Office, Patents 1-42 Reels 1-41) 1735 Thomas Wilson deeds of lease or release of VA land to THOMAS COUCH JR, JAMES COUCH, WILLIAM COUCH not properly recorded due to error. Wilson seeks and is granted court permission to correct error. 1736 THOMAS COUCH SR (HIS MARK) AND THOMAS COUCH JR. (HIS MARK) SOLD for 5 lbs 150 acres in St Andrews Parish to John Couch Jr. 1739 THOMAS COUCH SR AND THOMAS COUCH JR sell 566 acres of property on Pine Lick Branch (part of Thomas Couch Sr original land patent) to Drury Stitch. Land next to John Stroud. 1754 Thomas Couch receives land grant in Orange County, NC. From Granville Proprietary Deeds and Surveys Oct 23, 1754. John Sroud Jr gentleman, three shillings on Old Field Creek of waters of New Hope. 13 Shillings rent per year. Surveyed May 14 1753, by Matthew Couch and John Stroud Sr. 1755 James Couch born. He died in Clairborne Co, MS on April 16, 1826. 1755 Orange County, North Carolina Tax list: MATTHEW, JAMES, WILLIAM AND THOMAS COUCH. LAND surveyed by Edward Stone and Thomas Couch. Surveyed Jun 9, 1757 deed granted July 28 1760. 1760 Edward Stone and THOMAS COUCH SCC surveyed land on Aug 31, 1759 For William Cox. 1760 JOHN COUCH and William Cox surveyed land for Edward Stone Aug 9th. 1764 MATTHEW COUCH sold land in Orange Co, NC to Archibald ? on Aug 14. We may just be close to finding a common ancestor and taking us back another step in our line. Perhaps your John who came from England was the first of our Couches in the U. S. Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: "emcht" <emcht@oecadvantage.net> >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] Elihugh K. Couch >Date: Sun, Sep 7, 2003, 10:24 AM > >Robert three of the best sources that we have found on the Couch lineage >are: > >1. "Genealogy" by Willard Heiss. A publication of the Family History >Section Indiana Historical Society, July1983, No. 78. This is a Case Study >in Family Reconstruction within a "Burned County". by Elizabeth Shown >Mills, CG, FASG. > > > >2. "The Virginia Genealogist, Volume 30, number 4, Whole number 120, >October-December, 1986." >The Virginia Genealogist (ISSN 0300-645X) Editor: John Frederick Dorman, >Published quarterly by John Frederick Dorman. >This covers A Case Study in Family Reconstruction with in "Burned" County, >by Elizabeth Show Mills, CG, FASG, Tuscaloosa, Alabans. > >3. A History of Buckingham County (VA) by Eugene A. Maloney but this is >just a history of the county and important historically but may not be worth >the trouble to research. > >These are just some of the works that might help in our quest for facts but >as all published materials needs our own verification. > >I don't have a web site for the Anderson line but will try and search later >today. >As to any one who has taken a DNA from the John Couch who died in Hopkins >County in 1840, I have not a clue. I can identify only three male >descendants by name but other wise I have no idea where they could be found. > >This is descending order: >John>James>John>Orrel (my greatgrandfather)>John W>Roy Virgil>Roy C. >Sons of Roy C: Roy Virgil Couch, born 15 Aug 1948; Gregg Milton, born 4 Feb >1950; and John george Couch, born 18 Sep 1852. I do know that Roy C was >born 19 Feb 1922 and died Dec 1982 in Sheridan Co, WY and was married to >Pola June Barney, on 1 Jun 1947 in Rawlins, Caron Co, WY. >This is all I can help you with but may it will be some assistance. >best searching. ellen > > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237