Hey Robert, Just a friendly reminder that "most KY Couches" are not confused about who our ancestor was. "Most of us" are well aware that John, Sr was the father of Martin, John, Mary/Polly, Nancy Ann and Sarah. James and Austin I'm not too sure about. They could just as easily have belonged to Joseph Couch of 1800 Ashe Co NC, aka "Montgomery" Joe, who we think, but cannot prove 100% was brother of John. All available evidence points to their having been brothers. Just because John is no longer listed on the Couch website, as father of Martin, does not mean we don't know who he was. I never understood why he was removed in the first place. Joyce