I just sent a new update to the DNA chart. I was thinking I had already sent this up but I was trying to show it to Dina today and it was not there. I know i sent it to some place <grin> Anyway I have split up group 2 and moved Old simeon down in the second half of it. All of these seem to have a strong connection and the old someon is one of the oldest couch line know here in the us. And if Old simeon had some cousins come over later we need to find the immigrant of them. Even the Meshack line don't seem too far off from these families. If anyone has a better knoledge of DNA than I do please let us know your thought on this. The Old John who was in Alabama the dna from his line did not come back anything like we thought it would. and he is our lowest set of numbers and I have placed him in Group 1 for now. We need to find another line of his descendants to take a dna test if nothing more than the 12 y test just to double check FTDNA and make sure there was not a Unknown adoption back there some place. I have been through Betty's Records and they look good and she has done lots of good documenting. Also Jerry and othes have work hard and have came close to the same conclusion on this line. And If anyone is a couch from this old john and even if you can't afford to thake the test I bet there will be some one who will sponser it. Bill Couch