John Daniel was born abt 1785 married Catherine Couch. I don't know how she connect yet Your John Daniel was a Jr. and his father was John Daniel sr who married Susannah Couch. She was probably a sister to Edward V. Couch. I have been working on all these that was still there in Orange Co. around 1800 and it sure get interesting. I have a death date of 11 mar 1917 for Frances M. Daniel is this correct? Yes, this is correct. My Frances M (Daniel) Brown, daughter of John Daniel and Catherine Couch, was born June 08, 1823 NC and died in Kentucky March 11, 1917. Dotty __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/