----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net> Subject: Re: [COUCH] Martin Couch Family in and around Leslie County,Kentucky > Hey Robert, > Just a friendly reminder that "most KY Couches" are not confused > about who our ancestor was. "Most of us" are well aware that John, Sr > was the father of Martin, John, Mary/Polly, Nancy Ann and Sarah. James > and Austin I'm not too sure about. They could just as easily have > belonged to Joseph Couch of 1800 Ashe Co NC, aka "Montgomery" Joe, who > we think, but cannot prove 100% was brother of John. All available > evidence points to their having been brothers. > Just because John is no longer listed on the Couch website, as father > of Martin, does not mean we don't know who he was. I never understood > why he was removed in the first place. > Joyce ============================================================ Addition: Joyce has made a important point. The "site" no longer lists Martin as being the son of John Sr of Kentucky. Nor is a close resemblance of the line being factually being depicted {Kentucky lineage}. This is due impart to "internet researchers" changing lines to fit their needs, without benefit of documentation and some solely relying on "DNA" results. Some of the most important research was done by JP Doward, although NOT without errors, But the basic Kentucky Lineage is intact. Others have followed the paper trail and found some wrong, but alot whole and intact. I agree with Joyce, that John and Joseph were indeed brothers or Father/Son as evidenced by the early land deeds in VA and NC. We have seen nothing documenting that John Couch of KY had been in or around SC , its our contention, that is a different Couch lineage.And research more or less so dictates that. DNA testing indeed has placed some in the Kentucky lineage direct, it also has dispelled and exempted some whom think they are of Kentucky lineage and have posted their lineage as correct. {See test results for group 5 and ones whom have failed linkage} It is highly possible a direct link is at hand for a Thomas Couch lineage, but I feel its more of intermarriage between clans, than direct. NOTE there is two distinct lineage's in Kentucky of the Couch Line.Those whom have direct people in the line and has been documented and those who don't, yet are placing their Couch ancestors in the line where they think "they fit". There are also ones mixing up the two lines cause they cant find where they fit and see a name and think its the one they are looking for. Then they go back to corrupt the original info/documentation or validate it incorrect. Be advised the Couchgenweb is mostly for southern lines of the Couch line. And Bill has limited info on the Kentucky Line except what is gleaned from others as correct {I.E no documented evidence is being given for anyone to modify a line beyond a internet file. Be highly careful in researching the Kentucky line and fully document every earliest member you can. Use the internet files ONLY as a clue and not as a source. Austin Couch: Son of Martin Couch:: There is also a Austin Couch Sr that has not been directly linked to the Kentucky Couch line. Although being researched he was in Kentucky in 1770 and being in the Indian Wars. He at one point settled at Limestone Kentucky {Maysville} and also Sandy River Kentucky.Some researchers have reported that he was at the battle of Pt Pleasant with a party of Longhunters. later documents indicate he settled in the Kanawha Valley for a time {Same timeframe as the Boones} and later crossed into NC via what's now Montgomery Co. In conclusion.... research your line on Kentucky carefully!!!!!

I found Martin on the Couch Website: http://www.couchgenweb.com/couch/johnc.htm and then you can click on Martin and go to another page that has his descendents. Robert didn't say that KY Couches were confused. Only that "somewhat confused about which John is which". And I too think it gets confusing when trying to find information on a John Couch. Who is "changing lines to fit their needs, without benefit of documentation"? I wouldn't share the documentation either with those who are so willing to snap at others and point fingers. This discourages others from posting useful information or asking for assistance for fear of conflict. How about we go back to the original message. John Couch has documentation that he has very kindly offered to share. Dina Couch Jeffers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Windwalker" <windwalker@fastmail.fm> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [COUCH] Martin Couch Family in and around Leslie County,Kentucky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net> > > Subject: Re: [COUCH] Martin Couch Family in and around Leslie > County,Kentucky > > > > Hey Robert, > > Just a friendly reminder that "most KY Couches" are not confused > > about who our ancestor was. "Most of us" are well aware that John, Sr > > was the father of Martin, John, Mary/Polly, Nancy Ann and Sarah. James > > and Austin I'm not too sure about. They could just as easily have > > belonged to Joseph Couch of 1800 Ashe Co NC, aka "Montgomery" Joe, who > > we think, but cannot prove 100% was brother of John. All available > > evidence points to their having been brothers. > > Just because John is no longer listed on the Couch website, as father > > of Martin, does not mean we don't know who he was. I never understood > > why he was removed in the first place. > > Joyce > ============================================================ > Addition: > Joyce has made a important point. The "site" no longer lists Martin as being > the son of John Sr of Kentucky. Nor is a close resemblance of the line being > factually > being depicted {Kentucky lineage}. This is due impart to "internet > researchers" changing lines to fit their needs, without benefit of > documentation and some solely relying on "DNA" results. Some of the most > important research was done by JP Doward, although NOT without errors, But > the basic Kentucky Lineage is intact. Others have followed the paper trail > and found some wrong, but alot whole and intact. > I agree with Joyce, that John and Joseph were indeed brothers or Father/Son > as evidenced by the early land deeds in VA and NC. We have seen nothing > documenting that John Couch of KY had been in or around SC , its our > contention, that is a different Couch lineage.And research more or less so > dictates that. DNA testing indeed has placed some in the Kentucky lineage > direct, it also has dispelled and exempted some whom think they are of > Kentucky lineage and have posted their lineage as correct. > {See test results for group 5 and ones whom have failed linkage} > It is highly possible a direct link is at hand for a Thomas Couch lineage, > but I feel its more of intermarriage between clans, than direct. NOTE there > is two distinct lineage's in Kentucky of the Couch Line.Those whom have > direct people in the line and has been documented and those who don't, yet > are placing their Couch ancestors in the line where they think "they fit". > There are also ones mixing up the two lines cause they cant find where they > fit and see a name and think its the one they are looking for. Then they go > back to corrupt the original info/documentation or validate it incorrect. > Be advised the Couchgenweb is mostly for southern lines of the Couch line. > And Bill has limited info on the Kentucky Line except what is gleaned from > others as correct {I.E no documented evidence is being given for anyone to > modify a line beyond a internet file. > Be highly careful in researching the Kentucky line and fully document every > earliest member you can. Use the internet files ONLY as a clue and not as a > source. > > Austin Couch: Son of Martin Couch:: > There is also a Austin Couch Sr that has not been directly linked to the > Kentucky Couch line. Although being researched he was in Kentucky in 1770 > and being in the Indian Wars. He at one point settled at Limestone Kentucky > {Maysville} and also Sandy River Kentucky.Some researchers have reported > that he was at the battle of Pt Pleasant with a party of Longhunters. later > documents indicate he settled in the Kanawha Valley for a time {Same > timeframe as the Boones} and later crossed into NC via what's now Montgomery > Co. > In conclusion.... research your line on Kentucky carefully!!!!! > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >