Hi Robert, Hey, I am so sorry I came across as being offended at what you wrote. I certainly didn't mean it that way. I am sorry it caused such an uproar, and I am learning I need to choose my words a bit more wisely. I think we're all in the dark when it comes to the John Couches. There is a tradition (maybe fact???) that the James Couch in Clay/Perry Co KY before 1820, had Bartlett as a middle name. If this is accurate, that would sure indicate a relationship to the John & James Bartlett who were in Buckingham Co VA a few years earlier. But how to connect them is still a head scratcher. There is a very good possibility some of the Perry County KY Couches descend from James, and John Jr, as well as Martin. Best, Joyce